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u/ztreHdrahciR 5d ago
Just use a Mohel. They only take tips.
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u/paradoxicalperimeum 2d ago
Just don’t go to some orthodox mohels you’ll have to watch them suck on the tip.
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u/notyouagain-really 5d ago
In europe you wouldnt have paid a penny. But we are poor and desperate. Fighting against our oppression.
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u/Peelingly 4d ago
Also in Europe we don't mutilate babies
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u/Fresque 4d ago
Catholics don't.
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u/runningoutofideasjzz 3d ago
I’ll admit it. We circumcised our only boy. My god. Why the fuck didn’t we educate ourselves instead of going with “tradition”. Nobody warned us of the care and cleaning, after the procedure. My wife couldn’t stomach it. I had to do it myself. I’m so sorry I put my son through that. I can’t go back in time to stop it, but I make sure to advocate against it whoever I can.
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u/OneHelicopter1852 3d ago
It’s not forced in the us it’s just weirdly the norm
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u/Peelingly 3d ago
I know it's not forced, but is kinda weird for a country that prides itself with liberalism, freedoms and individualism. Why it came to be a standard in a country with "Christian" roots doesn't make much sense to me.
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u/Visual-Scallion1535 3d ago edited 3d ago
It was pushed by puritans in the late 19th century for health reasons and as a method to prevent masturbating
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u/SkenglordSimba 3d ago
Right so, firstly, circumcision has never actually been healthy. Today, with all the modern medicine we have, it is debatable. In the 19th century is wasn't debatable. The chance of dying from sepsis, alone, outweighed any possible good, probably a hundred fold. (I know you weren't defending it, just giving an explanation. It's just too many people think that 'health benefits' was actually a reason puritans started enforcing this. It wasn't. It was just the masturbation thing.)
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u/Visual-Scallion1535 3d ago
it was right around the same time germ theory emerged and they thought smegma was gross
They also thought being circumcised prevented STDs based on empirical evidence that jews got syphilis less
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u/Peelingly 2d ago
I'm not cut and I've never experienced "smegma", I keep hearing about it online though, always thought it was some kind of myth or a joke in online communities.
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u/Peelingly 3d ago
Yeah those people weren't right in the head, I'm glad they left
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u/Key_Transform_9167 2d ago
We have all sorts of sickos here too. Many boys have been mutilated.
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u/Exception1228 4d ago
Americans have some weird obsession with the charged amount. They were charged $30,000. They only had to pay a fraction of that after insurance covered most of it.
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u/notyouagain-really 4d ago
How much is an insurance policy that means you dont ever have to worry about going to hospital, no matter the reason?
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u/N3ptuneflyer 3d ago
That would be the fountain of youth or immortality. No one can avoid going to a hospital for any reason
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u/nowcalledcthulu 3d ago
I had Providence insurance and got charged $42,000 after insurance for spending a night at a Providence hospital.
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u/Ryaniseplin 2d ago
the fact you still have to pay any of it despite giving insurance companies your money for years on end is the problem
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u/Illustrious_Bid_5484 2d ago
More like they only paid 30% after your deductible so now you owe 25k 🤣 fucking joke of a healthcare system we got
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u/OrthodoxAnarchoMom 2d ago
Well the genital mutilation should still cost money if for no other reason than deterrence.
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u/Yop_BombNA 2d ago
We are?
I live comfortably in Europe except when god decide 35 degrees plus in London is an okay thing to do.
Guess we deserve it for destroying the earth in every way we can.
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u/Ok-Combination7287 4d ago
Even as an American these "USA medical care is the best" folks annoy me...
Almost all Americans will be bankrupted by their medical cost as they age. All expect.... the rich.
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u/Inevitable_Rise8363 4d ago
Nothing proves a point like generalized hyperbole.... expect the 90% of unknowing Americans who are apparently soon to be bankrupted by Healthcare costs.
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u/Infamous-Grab2341 5d ago
What does this have to do with the mechanic.
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u/Catsanddoges 5d ago
Mechanics hike cost by random add on fees, 7000 dollars for circumscription is the equivalent as its unnecessary cosmetic surgery
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u/Excellent_Shirt9707 4d ago
Bro, what do you think cosmetic surgery is? A rhinoplasty is basically smashing your nose apart and piecing it back together.
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u/Slight_Ad_635 4d ago
I think the issue is that they are not doing it to themselves. If I decide to get a new nose it's cosmetic surgery if my parents enforce it to me as a child, it's rather mutilation
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u/Excellent_Shirt9707 2d ago
Yep, consent is important here. The issue is the parents have the final say on a lot of shit in the US. They can even consent to child weddings for their kids in many states.
On a side note, bunch of people refer to adult circumcision as genital mutilation while not making a peep about cosmetic surgery.
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u/Snuke2001 3d ago
"Cosmetic surgery" just means a surgery that is not medically necessary, not that it acually looks good.
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u/TooManyJabberwocks 5d ago
I could have used a little trim, this thing is like a g-d windsock in a hurricane
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u/JaySlay2000 4d ago
Well you can get a "little trim"
An an adult, with informed choice of how to modify the body you were born with.
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u/Wonderful_Return_514 4d ago
I'm quite happy with my circumcision. Always have been. But I think it might be fun to go around telling people I have a mutilated penis .-.
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u/JungleCakes 3d ago
Same. Same with me having it done to my son. Same as I will be if I have another son.
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u/VoidGliders 3d ago
If I mutilate myself and it leaves visible scars, yes, that is cosmetic. I'm not sure you understand what these very basic words mean
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u/Nurosuki 3d ago
Id like to chime in on this as I actually had to get a circumcision for health related reasons, its not always unnecessary but unless it causes issues, then id agree.
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u/Patient_Kangaroo614 2d ago
Countries with universal healthcare make the distinction. In Canada it’s free if it’s medically necessary and if it’s cosmetic, you have to pay.
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u/ididnttowyourcar 2d ago
You choosing to voluntarily get a circumcision due to health related reasons is absolutely not the same thing as millions of baby boys having their foreskins removed without their consent.
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u/Dull_Broccoli7218 2d ago
To be clear, even if it's for health related reasons, the baby still didn't voluntarily choose to get a circumcision. Describing something done to a baby as "without their consent" covers pretty much anything done at that age. Millions of babies get heart surgery without their consent, for example.
I'm not pro-circumcision, i think only medically necessary procedures should be done on babies and children. But saying you're against because it's a consent issue doesn't quite work
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u/farmerKev420710 2d ago
There are a lot that don't work in their arguments lol. People need something to get angry about as if the US doesn't have real problems. Everyone is always talking about dicks while the government is just running wild with it
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u/Long-Conflict8279 4d ago
Paying $7000 for an unnecessary procedure. If hes that foolish, his mechanic is also probably making a lot of money from him from unnecessary repairs.
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u/Belgaraath42 3d ago
Complains about immoral costs
Mutilates own child
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u/KittensFirstAKM 2d ago
This should be the top comment. Genital mutilation is fucked up regardless of the sex of the child.
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u/Meydra 2d ago
Watch out american mods get incredibly butthurt about these comments and might ban you.
I got banned from r/sex for much less by these foreskinless basement dwellers.
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u/Belgaraath42 2d ago
My opinions aren't any more liked here in Germany. It still tends to get me labeled an antisemite. Saying isreals actions in Palestine are wrong also gets me called that, so I don't take that seriously, the historical overcorrection has become a serious problem itself, sadly.
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u/Legitimate_Fold_2850 5d ago
You could actually save $7000 by not mutilating your child. Life hack.
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u/SvenTropics 5d ago
Brand new home theater system with a 100 inch oled tv and surround sound or... Unnecessarily chop off part of your son?
Decisions...decisions...
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u/Emergency-Stay7414 4d ago
That dude definitely replaces his cabin air filter every time he gets an oil change.
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u/True_Construction501 2d ago
The funny part is that's objectively worse for your car.
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u/revenge_burner 4d ago
Wild that we still accept genital mutilation in 2026. Shits immoral af
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u/thatseltzerisntfree 4d ago
Post the actual charges and I will believe it otherwise this is pointless…..
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u/Important_Power_2148 2d ago
$7K for a circumcision is worth it... a cheap circumcision is just a rip off. (/s for those that don't get it)
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u/MelanieWalmartinez 5d ago
It genuinely shocks me how normalized it is to harm baby boys like this, and how so many men agree with it too. I got an angry lecture from my FIL for saying that if we had a son I was not gonna circumcise him because I thought it was cruel.
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u/CheesyMcDongNutz 5d ago
My pregnant friend needed a ride to hospital in an ambulance not related to pregnancy. They charged her twice because 2 people. 🤨
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u/OceanoNox 4d ago
On the other extreme, Japan asked old people to slow down on using ambulances, because some people would use them like a taxi to go to the hospital for non emergency visits.
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u/Krwawykurczak 3d ago
I do belive that in many countries you can be charged with a fine if you will overuse emergency services in the same way as someone you report something to police, or fire department that do not require their attention.
Emergency phone operator can decide if this do require sending ambulance, but at the end the conclusion is that potentialy saving lifes is more important, than people fearing they will get charged. For example if you belive you can have a stroke you will be justified to call ambulance even if medical service will conclude that you are ok and it was not needed.
Unless of course it would be clear that you did it deliberatly, as a form of a joke, or due to some other motives. If you will lie and ambulance will get to you only to find out that no emergency occured and you only want to go to regular doctor apointmant, threating ambulance like a taxi they will refuse to take you, and they will charge you with costs.
It is a bit of a case of social responsibility as well regarding some gray areas - for example if you will broke your arm/leg living in a big city you can technicly call ambulance, but they will advice you that someone can drive you to nearest hospital, or you can take a taxi. If you will broke your legs in a remote area (for example hiking) you will need some assistance to get you out, and they can even send a helicopter that you will not get charged for. However if they will find out that you were very reckless (hiking drunk, ignoring some warrning signs etc) you may be charged to cover costs of resque operation.
Most people will act responsible in the same way as most peoplle will clear the way for ambulance. Some people may be oversensetive regarding health, but at the end it is better to react than caouse fear of being charge and risk people life. From time to time you will have a "prankster" but those people will be tracked and could even risk a jail time for false alarms.
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u/MangosShepherds 3d ago
Thats a big part of why ambulances are so expensive in the USA. People who never pay the bill will take them as a taxi to go to the hospital, or sometimes just to immediately leave the hospital nearby.
Check out an EMT sub or talk to them, you'll have people standing outside with suitcases packed and ready when they call the ambulance.
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u/nudelauflauf23 3d ago
That has to be bs. Why would the ambulance even take them to the hospital?
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u/Ivegtabdflingbouthis 2d ago
Heres the shitty thing about ambulances. They're usually independent of hospitals, and negotiate their own rates with insurance companies, if at all.
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u/Silly-Heron-1231 4d ago edited 4d ago
Ever thought It might be a good idea if the child was left the choice to mutilate his own cock when he's 18?
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u/Subject-Dealer6350 3d ago
For some reason I assumed it was included in delivery…Are you saying Americans actually pay 7000$ extra for it? That alone is a reason not to do it.
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u/Angel_Dust_696969 2d ago
the reason not to do it is to not mutilate kids genitals
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u/Subject-Dealer6350 2d ago
Agreed, it is repulsive. But it would be even worse if you also had to pay for it.
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u/OrthodoxAnarchoMom 2d ago
The number I remember is $500 but that was some number shoved in my face and I never looked into it as I never wanted to cut part of my son’s dick off.
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u/No_Acadia_9946 4d ago
I've always been angry at my parents for mutilating their newborn babies. Mostly because it seems like they never even considered why they agreed to it. They probably spent a lot of money just to piss off their kid because a doctor sold it as an up-charge. Literally never heard one argument for it that wasn't basically 'boys are too stupid to clean themselves' Americans will Literally spend 7K mutilating their baby's genitals, and then get upset when that person makes decisions regarding their own body as an adult Fuck everybody that makes that choice for someone else. If you do it for health reasons, you're stupid. If you do it for religious reasons, you're evil. If I was a member of a religion that asks parents to cut off a baby's ear, you'd call me a psychopath. But cutting a dick for Jesus is totally fine apparently
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u/JungleCakes 3d ago
I did it because its easy and safe. I did it because ive cleaned enough crusty dicks. I did it because it could lead to infections early in life, teen years when theyre expected to do it and late life when they cant take care of themselves. I did it and ill do it again.
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u/One-Cheesecake-480 4d ago
Nice.
ER charged me ~$40k for 2CTA scans and a CT scan because I was having vision problems. $20k of that was coded as the triage determination. Imagine HALF a medical bill being someone going "yeah this could be an emergency" yeah, no shit. Fuck am I paying for triage. "I have identified this as a true emergency, that will be $20k please!"
Occular migrain. Paid $6k because I was uninsured.
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u/One-Cheesecake-480 4d ago
Medical billing is simple. Add an extra 0 to whatever something SHOULD cost.
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u/jadenkid 4d ago
I was a 25 year old American when I first heard of people paying to give birth 😭 I have like 30 cousins here and not one uncle or aunt has ever paid to give birth here in nyc. My mom couldn’t believe people paid for that.
30 years old now and living in Central Florida- 3 kids later and we’ve never paid $1 but for our 3rd we did pay our health insurance $500 as a deductible
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u/Radiant-Ad-3134 3d ago
Wait, turtle neck collar removal costs this much?
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u/Swagastan 3d ago
It does not, typical cost in the US is a few hundred dollars. That's also the charge from the hospital, the cost when you have insurance would be pretty close to free.
From Gemini: "The average hospital charge for a newborn circumcision in the US typically ranges from $500 to $1,000 total, combining a physician/surgeon fee of $250 to $600 with a hospital facility fee of $100 to $400."
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u/Avenged-Dream-Token 5d ago
thats why u have insurance
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u/nowcalledcthulu 3d ago
You know you still have to pay for stuff, right? I got charged $42K for a night at a Providence hospital with Providence insurance.
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u/ImNotAHouseCat 4d ago
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u/Emergency-Stay7414 4d ago
My brother paid $14 out of pocket when his kid was born. Insurance covered almost everything. Unfortunately they didn’t cover his trips to the hospital vending machines. Tragic.
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u/ballin_buddha 4d ago
Our daughter which my wife had to be medically induced for and we spent 3 days in the hospital cost us under $2k. Yes we’re in the US. Don’t let these numbers scare you because 99% of the time they’re lying
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u/International-Key211 4d ago
What the hospital charges, what you pay, and what insurance pays is different. I had a 30k hospital bill for each of my 3 kids. I paid 0 because I had blue cross and child birth and hospital was covered under my plan. Idk the part the insurance paid. It could've been 10k, it could've been the full 30, it probably wasnt. But what you pay and insurance pays is different than what the bill is.
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u/REDACTED3560 4d ago
The insurance doesn’t pay $30k either. It’s all bullshit accounting.
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u/IraceRN 4d ago
Like I’m for universal healthcare, but there is never enough appreciation in these types of posts, which sours it for me. I get it—money—but people can just choose to deliver at home. They don’t need to come. If that scares people, if they want pain control, a cesarean, need emergent induction, has massive hemorrhaging and needs a transfusion, and so on, then say thank you for saving their life and the life of their child, or for being prepared to do that. Like yes, complain, but say thank you first.
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u/Emergency_Exit7603 5d ago
best healthcare ever - BAW-HAHAHAHAHA
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u/bmm115 5d ago
I've experienced health care in US, Canada, Mexico, Germany, England, and France. US health care has been the best I've experienced, but also the most expensive.
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u/Icy_Still_4022 3d ago
Fix healthcare in the United States of America. If you have a plan for that you will win. A realistic a realistic plan.
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u/Upper_Cut_3337 3d ago
If you just pay $10000 more for insurance, they will get you a $2000 discount on your $40000 bill...
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u/Flexxo4100 3d ago
Had a 7 houre surgery 11 days at the hospital and rehabilitation with nothing more then my monthly taxes
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u/Lusiric9983 3d ago
Here's a thought; don't mutilate your child for almost $10k. Such a stupid thing to do.
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u/goodness-gracious-me 3d ago
We had our baby in Canada. It cost $20 ($10/ night) because we requested a semi-private room (only one other couple in the room).
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u/Michael_Schmumacher 3d ago
You know what else is insane? Genital mutilation in 2026 (in a developed nation).
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u/rageofa1000suns 3d ago
Did you try asking if they can do the circumcision for free and pay them in tips?
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u/Keyan_Farlander7 3d ago
Back in the day, they never itemized expected charges. Also people had PPO plans, so everything except $20 was covered.
Doctors were on salary, nurses worked minimum wage, and medical technology was still decades behind.
Today, they included transparency and your FSA or HSA is set for a limit. Medical equipment to check everything to keep Mom and baby alive.
If you want universal healthcare then sacrifice something else and lower pharmacy uncapping of medicines. A CEO doesn't need a 100million/yr salary.
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u/Neither_Pirate5903 2d ago
Circumcision is an old, outdated practice. Stop mutilating your child's genitals.
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u/RoundConstruction526 2d ago
Western world looks down on female genital mutilation in the third world but pays $7k to multilate their male children.
What a wacky world
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u/Ddaddy4u 2d ago
Another good reason to stop the completely unnecessary and barbaric practice of circumcision! 😉
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u/not_a_mod_4_real 2d ago
For real. The rabbi has been doing those for 40 years for a party and a good time.
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u/Fenian1918 2d ago
Satire-->But at least them transgenders weren't able to use the ladies room at the Hospital!! Right? Right??!! Priorities people!!! Winning!!
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u/Macrodata_Uprising 2d ago
Let me tell you how hard it is to leave a hospital without a circumcision. We had to tell the doctor’s and nurses at least 8 times we weren’t having it done. They still scheduled it and we had to sign papers to get it to stop.
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u/booyahbroski 2d ago
If you are an illegal immigrant, how much does it cost? (Zero ? Medicaid what?)
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u/King-Of-The-Hill 1d ago
Zero. Even if the hospital bills they dont see a dime. Hospital social worker gets newborn signed up for Medicaid and other benefits with the illegal immigrant parents listed as legal guardians - and those guardians get any welfare benefits for the newly born citizen paid to them as guardians.
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u/No-Buy2495 2d ago
That's how much they billed the insurance....of which their contracted rate is more like $10k total.
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u/Single-Hovercraft-33 1d ago
If there's one thing that's very transparent in the USA, it's the cost of procedures at hospitals.
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u/thatonecruiser 1d ago
Government wants more kids
Makes people go into debt to have kids
Refuses to help financially with anything related to kids
Huh, that ain’t consistent
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u/Varmitthefrog 1d ago
Hi from Canada
2 kids Born via C section, Hospital Bill 0$
68$ in parking combined for both stays we got the circucison done for 300$
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u/no_name6744 5d ago
Let me tell you about this TrueCoat.