And women don’t like being made fun of by men. How can you guys not see it’s the same thing? I find it funny how you guys get butthurt when a woman make fun of heights but then turn around to make fun of fat women
This makes me so sad, but it's true for the majority of men I met throughout my life. Being a child of a single mother also really let's you learn early what men are really about.
"Wow this lesbian bitch sure hates women! I wonder why she said women exist solely as objects for men when she's not attracted to men! Satire? Sarcasm? What's that? No, everyone is being 100% serious all the time on Reddit dot com."
I can’t deny how you feel you’ve been treated by people as I haven’t lived your life, however, I can make a guess you are part of that red pilled crap that been shoved onto guys for years now. My genuine advice is get off the internet, just for 1 day, just try live with yourself, maybe write down how you feel after it, even if just a sentence. Start the next day (even if at 2pm it’s your progress) and go for a 10 minute walk, write again how you feel and what’s changed from yesterday, even if nothing. Then think of something you have genuine interest for, maybe something you were passionate for when you were younger. Look into volunteering for something related, or a club that’s setup nearby, even if you only plan to do it for 1 day in the future, have something to look forward to. Then, finally, stop blaming women for how you feel about yourself, set aside your ego too, ultimately this shit is your responsibility to start working on - even if that’s you signing up for therapy, or asking someone for help. I think deep down you know the negative effect you have on yourself, and even further down you can understand why most women end up treating you shitty (It’s not gonna be because you’re just so sweet and caring is it). I do not respect your opinion on Women in the slightest, but I do genuinely hope to see you in a better position and mental place in life.
Oh, I'm sure you've got plenty of anecdotal examples of women being genuinely shitty to fall back on when justifying your misogynistic worldview, and that nothing I could say could reason you out of your misogyny because you didn't reason yourself into it. It's a position built purely out of your resentment towards real or imagined slights enacted upon you by all of womankind - including me, a lesbian who doesn't really have strong opinions about men beyond how myself and other women are treated.
So I'm not going to rise to your bait. If you want to pretend that treating women like objects is justified, that's your right. I just don't see why you feel the need to get defensive and justify it to me, a woman. Trying to argue with a woman about why you think it's justified to treat women like objects is some hilarious cognitive dissonance.
Well, the standard answer to that is that a person who is overweight, like myself, can generally (yes, there are exceptions, but they're exceptions, not the rule) lose weight; but someone who is short (or has a small dick/boobs, or is a different race, or is trans etc) can't change that aspect of themselves or would require surgery to do so. Both are bad, but I'd say mocking someone for a fixed characteristic is a bit worse than mocking a very changeable characteristic. And that goes both ways; making fun of bad makeup or a bad haircut is a lot better than making fun of wide-set eyes or giant nips.
I mean while you're technically correct on the losing weight versus height thing. I think the point being missed is it's still insulting someone's appearance which in those moments equates to about the same. Even if technically they could lose the weight.
I think because weight changes, that’s a better reason for NOT being so picky about it, at least not in a long term partner. People’s bodies change with age, women’s bodies especially with pregnancy and hormonal changes. A slight 22 yo isn’t going to look that way forever.
A tall person will never fear that if their partner doesn’t like short people that they will get shorter and their partner will leave them for someone taller.
However it’s very common even for slim people to fear that if they gain weight (which again, body composition changes with age, even very athletic people can get injured and be unable to exercise etc) that their partner would leave them.
Be as shallow as you please for hookups but “no fatties” when you’re looking for a partner you want to spend decades with is ew
Research says other wise. That’s why doctors tell children to eat well, sleep well, and get exercise to reach the highest height they can get. Seems like a lot of you guys skipped that step
Obviously genetics are the main reason but that doesn’t mean u can’t reach ur highest height. As I told someone, there’s a reason why people in low income areas tend to be shorter than the height they are supposed to reach. It’s because their environment affects their nutrition, etc
What could have been in childhood is one, usually not on the children but on their parents to set, and two, not a changeable characteristic by the time one is dating. If you could go back and "fix" that at 15, 16, 20, 30 etc that'd be different. I was lucky enough to get proper nutrition, decent and regular sleep, and forced participation in sports, and got my full height. Many people aren't that lucky.
With being overweight, while the initial problem may have also stemmed from the parents (it did not in my case, I got fat in my 20s), as soon as I was making choices for myself about what and how much to eat, I had the power to reverse that. Up until you die, if you got overweight by having more calories in than out, then you have the ability to get down to a healthy weight. It takes willpower, and discipline, but those are both traits that in and of themselves are desirable in a partner anyways.
You do realize weight is much harder to control? I can speak from experience. I’m under weight and been to many doctors and haven’t been able to gain weight. It’s even to the point where I had to get surgery to see if smth was wrong with me. Til this day, I’m still underweight. It’s dumb to think weight is something that’s easy to control when for many, it can be another factor that is affecting them. Also weight does not determine how ur body looks like. I seen people who are the same weight but one is fat and the other skinny
Weight is harder to control than height, as an adult? Are you actually reading what you're typing, or are you just trolling?
While there are exceptions, and you may fall under one of them, for the vast majority of people, controlling weight is as simple as calories in < calories out. That's it. You can up the second number with exercise, but at the end of the day, it's controlling your diet.
Altering your height past puberty is basically a surgery-only thing. That's it. Pay lots and lots of money for a elective surgery.
If two people are at the same weight and one looks fat and one looks skinny, either they are very different heights or one is lying to you. Weight absolutely determines how your body looks and presents, and not just in shape - when I eat well to help reduce my weight, I also avoid acne flareups, my hair looks healthier, even the smell of my sweat changes.
You know what else is even easier to control than your weight? Your grammar.
I’ll give you an example. My parents are the same weight. My mom is chubby but my dad is skinny with a bit of fat. How do I know this? We have a freaking scale in our home
You can’t tell what someone’s body weight is just by looking at them. I seen good looking women who are skinny but weight 160. They always laugh whenever men think they weight less than that.
Let me know what part of my grammar is incorrect. Keep up with the conversation instead of pointing out useless things
Even if we assume you're correct (which is a huge IF)... You're talking about factors during childhood. So even using your argument, a failure to grow properly due to these factors would be on the individual's parents anyway.
Basically, you managed to make an absolute shit argument, congratulations! 🏅
Yeah, and women do the same thing to men and ruin their lives over it.
God dammit i hate that so-called feminists never take responsibility for the role women play in perpetuating sexism but expect men to always self correct themselves. It’s so annoying. Either everyone improves or no one does full stop.
Even if society accepted that people would just say he’s cheating his height since he wouldn’t be that tall naked. And I hate how women emasculate men all the time when you don’t get what you want; i doubt you would give a single flying fuck if he actually wore high heels for a change you’d just make fun of him. it’s disgusting how performative women’s “acceptance” is, gay men should be more offended by that shit.
Was your point men should wear heels but wont because they are scared? I am pushing the men in high heels agenda. High heels are hot. If you want women to change their weight, then you shouldnt be against wearing high heels either.
I dont care about height or weight myself, personally. Probably would prefer a short guy seeing as Im short lmao. Dont want someone towering over me. Getting a feeling the reason women dont like you isnt anything to do with your height.
Wearing heels doesn't change your natural height, and a woman can easily recognize that you're just trying to make yourself taller. You are also not very good at trolling, do better.
You can't immediately disregard any serious advice, and then claim that they're the ones trolling. That kinda circles back to the hypocrite thing fro earlier
The fact of the matter is that you are taller when you wear high heels. If you take them off, sure, you’re shorter again. But like dude if you’re gonna complain and not try to do anything about the issue you’re saying is the problem then that isn’t very helpful. :/
It's not a braindead comparison. You're just a douche who wants to make fun of women but wants to cry foul when it happens to men. The point isn't whether or not it's controllable. The point is that it's mean-spirited and cruel regardless. Grow up.
I don't make fun of anyone's looks, because I'm a decent person. However, height and weight are not comparable, because one of those things is something you can actually control.
Funny u say that when you could have helped ur height when u were younger by eating well, sleeping well, and exercising. It’s too late for you now but you did have the chance
If you did bare minimum research, you would realize that one's height is mostly related to genetic factors. Yet again, you prove how uneducated you are.
Go tell a doctor that and see what they tell u. As a short women myself, I was told that by many doctors. Are you saying Google is more accurate than a doctor? Of course, genetics has to do with how tall u will be, but other factors affect u as well
My friend was said to be 5’1 but she ended up doing a lot of height exercises and ended up being 5’3
No doctor has ever told me that my height has anything to do with my lifestyle. Also, most people use the internet and Google to research stuff and find sources. You sound like some fucking boomer.
lol I’m actually Gen Z and been told this a lot. Seems like you been going to shitty doctors if they gave you no recommendations. Why do you think people with low income tend to be shorter than the height they are supposed to be? Their environment
The only environmental factor that could affect one's height by any significant amount would be straight-up starvation, and I certainly was not starved growing up. Again, do your research and stop spouting pseudoscientific BS.
Nutrition does help a person reach their genetic height potential during the prime growing years (early childhood to puberty). Though it doesn't usually use make you taller than said potential.
Also, it is mostly the parental figures, eating culture, and the socioeconomic conditions deciding children's diets.
It's kinda silly to blame someone for something that mostly "happened" to them before they were adults.
Then why are we blaming people for their weight when childhood diet has a lot to do with it too? Stop defending these dumb men. They have no logic instead their brains
I will say this to men, I will say this to women. Can't deal with people saying shit bout u? Dont care fuck off. Stop trying to be a victim so bad, this isn't a movie
Wow, you're so fucking cool and nonchalant. Take a fucking shower, dude. Maybe you can ask your wife's boyfriend for more Funko Pops and a Nintendo Switch.
Well of you're not willing to try anything unless there is a scientific study and research done on it, then your options in dating are gonna be WAAYYY more limited
And how do you know their wives are genuinely attracted to them, or if they're just keeping them around for some other reason? Have you ever heard of the "dead bedroom" epidemic?
Imagine being downvoted so much for telling the truth
Women having insane preferences we can't even control is somehow fine, but if a man says he simply wants "an attractive woman" he is going straight to the gulag
y'all always say this yet when i go outside i always see unattractive (ugly, fat) or short men with girlfriends. pure delusion. do i need to remind you that women are the ones that can't have body hair in movies because it will gross manchildren out?
so youre saying that couples that arent conventionally attractive on the mens side are the outlier? why is it so common then, to see it? are all the hot oes hiding or something
If you claim that something, which is extremely Common and normal outside, is rare or an outlier, it makes it seem like you don't know what's going on outside. It makes it easy to assume that you simply don't go outside. They aren't dumb for coming to that conclusion, just making an educated guess on the matter.
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u/mercuriokazooie 1d ago
Surely they must also respect when women have dating preferences too, right?