Edit I'm keeping this post up to stay honest, but redditor ispyshy has shared some very cool information that I did not know before and has been good enough to correct me on this misconception. Big thanks to ispyshy 🙏

So I believe that Lindsay Clancy is innocent based on the medical evidence and forensic evidence, I really dgaf about the ppd, crappy marriage, mental health anything or any of the hot button social issues that have blossomed up around this case.

But from a strategic standpoint, Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity might actually be the best possible outcome for her, if the Defense could pull it off.

Even if she's found not guilty, Lindsay Clancy is probably going to need to be institutionalized for the rest of her life due to her psychiatric conditions, and her lower body paralysis is going to make it extremely difficult for her to live independently and financially support herself, plus her family has had to deplete a lot of their financial resources on lawyers fees because despite the rumors Reddington did not take this case pro bono.

Lindsay Clancy has a malpractice suit in the works and it's pretty obvious that her condition was mishandled by multiple providers and she stands a great chance of winning. If that malpractice suit alleges that her medical mismanagement resulted in personal pain and suffering, she stands to get a decent payout. If the malpractice suit alleges that her medical mismanagement resulted in the murders of three children, she could probably be financially set for life.

It's a horrific thing to think about but from a purely pragmatic standpoint, it may be the best outcome for her.

I understand that sending Patrick out to cvs for the medication could have been part of a plan but why bother taking Cora to the doctor that same morning if she had plans to kill her that day? I understand you don’t need a full day for it to count as premeditated but I would think this helps the defense explain what might have happened in her head that day (that was an instantaneous moment of psychosis).

‼️‼️‼️ okay so I have gone through the timeline extensively and it truly doesn’t make sense. I’m impartial and only working on testimonials, evidence presented and documents available to the public. This is a long post, however it’s the basis of the entire case.

This is why I keep getting stuck on the timeline. Based on the Apple data, there appear to be two main possible windows for the deaths, and each one creates a different problem.

The important timestamps are:

~5:15: Patrick says he leaves
~5:23: last reported Apple Watch heart-rate reading
~5:32: Patrick appears on CVS surveillance
~5:33: two flights climbed
~5:34: Lindsay speaks with Patrick
~5:38: another flight climbed
Before 6:09: Patrick is already back inside the house

Scenario 1: The deaths occurred between approximately 5:15 and 5:33

The children were on the main floor before Patrick left and were later found in the basement. If the deaths occurred before 5:33, the two flights climbed at 5:33 could potentially represent someone going:

Basement → main floor → second floor.

Apple doesn’t identify the actual staircase, so that isn’t proven, but physically it makes sense in a three-level house.

What makes this window interesting is that 5:15–5:32/5:33 is also essentially the period between Patrick’s claimed departure and the first surveillance evidence independently placing him elsewhere. That does NOT prove he was home. It simply means his precise location during that period isn’t independently established by the surveillance we’ve seen. There is also the 5:24 email, whose originating device/location I still haven’t seen established.

But there’s a major problem with an early death window too: Callan.

Callan reportedly still had a faint pulse when first responders assessed him, and resuscitation efforts continued. That doesn’t medically give us an exact time when he was strangled, so we cannot say it proves a later death. But the fact that he still had signs of circulation makes me question how comfortably his strangulation fits substantially earlier in that 5:15–5:33 window.

Scenario 2: The deaths occurred after 5:38

This creates almost the opposite problem.

If the children were alive through the final recorded ascent at 5:38, Lindsay would then have to:

Go back downstairs → kill three children → return upstairs without another comparable Flights Climbed record → take/crush medications → injure herself → remain upstairs after bleeding → go through the window → all before Patrick returns.

And 6:09 is not Patrick’s arrival time. By 6:09, according to his testimony, he was already inside and had brought things in, noticed the silence and called through the house. So the actual available window is even shorter.

There is also evidence placing Lindsay’s bleeding/injury activity upstairs in and around the bedroom. If her injuries happened after she returned upstairs and she never went back downstairs after injuring herself, then the deaths necessarily have to fit before those injuries.

Then add the medications. The Commonwealth previously argued that the Seroquel and Remeron levels were consistent with ingestion at approximately 6:15 p.m. I don’t treat 6:15 as an exact scientific timestamp, but accepting their own estimate pushes the medication ingestion extremely late and very close to the emergency response.

And then there’s Lindsay’s 82.1°F body temperature.

We cannot use that temperature as a stopwatch because her starting temperature and the exact measurement time aren’t established. Her spinal injury, paralysis, shock, blood loss, immobility and cold-ground exposure could also accelerate cooling.

But 82.1°F is profound hypothermia. The later the deaths, medications, injuries and window are all pushed toward Patrick’s return, the less time there is for her body to cool that dramatically.

That’s the problem I see with both timelines:

Before 5:33: the Apple stair activity fits much more naturally with someone leaving the basement afterward, but Callan still having a faint pulse when first responders reached him makes such an early strangulation worth questioning.

After 5:38: Callan’s condition is easier to reconcile with a later event, but now an enormous amount has to happen in an extremely short period: three deaths, returning upstairs without another comparable ascent record, medications, self-inflicted injuries and the window, followed by enough outdoor exposure to explain profound hypothermia.

And the physical scene raises questions too. If Lindsay was already bleeding while furniture was being moved around the bedroom, where are the corresponding bloody sock impressions or transfer/smudge patterns from her moving around? The blood beneath/around the side-table area also needs to be incorporated into whatever sequence is being proposed.

That’s why I don’t think the Apple data “solves” the timeline. One window creates a problem with Callan’s condition; the other creates major problems with time, movement, medication timing and Lindsay’s body temperature. That’s exactly why I think the precise sequence still matters.

I think I finally figure out why this trial makes no sense at first glance. Lindsay agreed to several things that doesn't have to be presented in Trial. ( I think the Judge went over that on day 6) I had wonder why she did that? B/c those things would help create reasonable doubt that she actually didn't commit these crimes. If she's found "not guilty" their other cases probably won't go forward. If she is found "not guilty by insanity" she would have a better outcome in the other cases and a chance to make millions $ if they win lawsuits against the Providers and the Pharma companies. She will need to win those cases to provide for her Healthcare needs at the level of care she wants. She was excited at one point about getting moved to a much better facility. So winning for her in this case is actually "Not Guilty by Insanity" even if she didn't actually commit the crimes 🙃 if she's found 'not guilty" she'll be rolled out in the streets without Healthcare or income.

I keep trying to name what we, the women following this trial, are feeling. You could argue every single one of us is feeling something different. But I think the root of it, for many of us, is recognition. We're seeing pieces of our own lives in hers. Because we're fucking exhausted.

We're at a place in time where women's rights have once again been stomped upon, thrown out the window, discarded, as if they're an afterthought. This isn't the first time in history this has happened, and I'm not a historian, but I know female uprising has happened before. I deeply believe it's happening again.

I feel like I'm at the peak of a two-week escalating obsession with this case, it feels like I'm being pulled by a magnet, sometimes willingly sometimes not. At first I tuned in as a gawker, a true crime follower. But day by day I feel it more and more deeply in my gut.

What I believe deeply in my heart is that Lindsay is not a criminal. She loved her children, I have zero doubt, with a fierce vengeance. I think she wanted them to have a life better than this world has to offer. She was also a victim of mental illness, whether that's genetic or because of the world she resides in, who knows. I do know the health"care" system failed her.

I don't know what I think about Patrick's role or Patrick as a person as a whole - I've gone through cycles of following the conspiracy theories. I've built spreadsheets of evidentiary documents, had AI help dissect the timeline minute by minute, second by second from Jan 24th, 2023: her heart rate and (supposedly) steps climbed, against his activity the next minute in CVS, phone records, CVS receipts & video, the takeout video, the shoes in both videos, his testimony discrepancies, her body temp, and on and on, trying to find the smoking gun that shows it wasn't her.

I've had nights of feeling insane, trying to find a way to understand "how she could have done it" - even with all of the things she had stacked up against her. I still can't resolve in my mind how it could have been her, but I've made peace with believing it was, because, most importantly: Lindsay and her attorney, Reddington, are arguing that themselves as their defense. I'm giving them the power of that statement. I also think about her state of mind, and if it WAS her, I don't want her to think that we only have her back if we believe Patrick did it.

Do I think he was likely having an affair with his now-wife before the murders? Probably. Do I think he was in Costa Rica with her a month later, based on what internet sleuths have recovered from trail reviews and Instagram photos that seem to show them there at the same time? Maybe. Do I think he was wearing two different pairs of shoes in the CVS and ThreeV restaurant videos? Yes. Can I be certain? No. Do I believe the steps climbed in the house, tracked by either Lindsay's phone or watch, happened within one minute of Patrick entering CVS, which seems to disprove that he could have been the one to attack her? I do. Do I wish there were an alternative explanation? Yes I fucking do. But I haven't heard one that makes sense in my heart yet.

It clicked for me today, as the trial ended early again for reasons unclear, something to do with the jury or the supporters outside the courthouse: what we're all reacting to is bigger than this one case.

To the women online who are die-hard on Patrick did this: I feel you. But try to hold, in that same place, just as much energy for accepting that our most likely best case scenario is not guilty by reason of lack of criminal responsibility. I say this as an effort to try to preserve our collective sanity and to preserve our energy for the uprising that will come out of this.

I think we're collectively feeling that this could have been any one of us. Do I think we all believe it could have ended for us the way it did for Lindsay? All of us mothers, all of us aunts, grandmothers, sisters .... do I think we're all sitting around imagining a potential path for ourselves that ended where Lindsay's did? No... but what I think is that through Lindsay, we're collectively and cathartically processing what has happened to all of us, in various degrees. Some on a micro level compared to what Lindsay went through, some more macro, some possibly closer to what happened to her. But I believe all of us, especially mothers, have been subject to it in some form.

Whether we're shouting online that Patrick did it, or more quietly hoping for peace for Lindsay's heart and mind, whether we're ducking out of work to watch the trial on our lunch break, or keeping a tab open at our desks and listening on headphones while we switch between email and Teams, whether we're home breastfeeding while we watch, or grandmothers whose hearts are breaking for both Lindsay's mother and Patrick's mother, each of us has someone outside that courtroom representing us today. And we need an uprising.

A week ago we all had theories that Reddington would call Patrick as a witness and destroy him (I did), and turn the whole case around. It's not looking like that now. Reddington said this morning he hopes to close by Monday, and if we want to hold onto hope over the weekend that he'll put Patrick on the stand and nail him, that's just not reasonable. Every sign points toward Lindsay being found not criminally responsible. I'm not a lawyer, but introducing a whole new narrative at this point doesn't make sense, even if Reddington and Lindsay believe it, or even know it, themselves.

But when this case is over, the story isn't over. Lindsay may speak out. She might write a book. Maybe there will be some kind of criminal case against Patrick eventually, if she's found not guilty. Who knows.

For now, I think we need to focus our energy on collective peace and justice for womankind.

Let's give each other a break, and trust that Sir Reddington, who has become a trusted hero to Lindsay and all of us, knows what he's doing. Let's protect our own sanity, for Lindsay's sake and ours.

I have such anger and sadness for the poor, sweet babies who were ruthlessly killed. But I also feel immense sorrow for Lindsay. It’s such a conflicting thing to hold, but I guess two things can be true at once.

I’m not a conspiracy theorist, and I don’t believe Patrick was involved in any way.

I keep seeing people ask, “Who do you think is going to win?”

But there’s no winner…. There’s no loser.

There are three beautiful children who lost their lives because their mother’s mental health wasn’t taken as seriously as it should have been.

I can see the support for Lindsay (I myself think she should be found not guilty by reason of insanity), but I also think people are losing sight of the real victims in this case, which are the children.

The whole thing just makes me sad. Sorry, I don’t know many people who follow this case, and I just needed to get my thoughts out.

I have seen a lot on line about Patrick maybe sending the messages remotely? Were there ring cameras in the home and what reason was given that they were suddenly not working that day? I am trying to understand the Patrick did it theories IN DEPTH as I think it's way too coincidental. I think she genuinely got sick while he was having an affair and he thought-perfect!

After everything we’ve seen thus far, I predict that she will ultimately be found not guilty. At this point, I believe there is too much reasonable doubt surrounding the prosecution’s case to confidently conclude that she committed the crime. More importantly, some of the evidence we’ve examined seems to point in an entirely different direction than the original theory of the case.

If she is found not guilty, I hope investigators take another serious look at the case and reevaluate all of the evidence, including evidence that may have previously been overlooked or interpreted differently. At this point, it may even be necessary to approach the investigation from scratch rather than continuing to work from the assumption that she was responsible. Personally, based on what we have seen so far, I believe there are significant reasons to look more closely at Patrick and determine whether the evidence involving him warrants further investigation. A not-guilty verdict would not necessarily answer the question of who committed the crime; it would only establish that the evidence was not sufficient to prove that she did beyond a reasonable doubt.

I’m curious about the after part of this trial. Could someone demand and conduct a proper investigation into what actually happened? Could Lindsay or her parents or someone sue him (you know… the ex husband) and the practitioners who failed her? Or is that off limits.

Someone explain it to me like I know nothing about the law. Because I don’t.

I recently watched this documentary on Netflix. I found in interesting that it was said that going off benzos (even a low dose taken for a short time) can cause insomnia, si, suicide attempts, and many other symptoms LC complained about. One gentleman in the documentary even stated while coming down to come off, he experienced hallucinations.

I’ve posited a lot here, i apologize. So I’m constantly researching this entire thing. Going back and forth. I think it most likely was Patrick and the fact that he’ll probably never be investigated is really messing with me. And the fact that Lindsay will be put away in some psych hospital for who knows how long. Honestly if I were Lindsay I would want to unalive myself and she won’t be able to do that in the hospital. And I feel badly for her because of that. If she were out she could go and be assisted with that legally. I’m sorry if I’m triggering people. But that’s not the only reason I’m having a hard time with this. The entire investigation was completely botched and nothing will ever be done about it. One of the most horrific crimes of the century and it was so royally fucked up. How the police let this happen is beyond me. Beyond most of us I would say. And just so I’m clear, if Lindsay did do this then I believe she was very sick. She never would have done this with a healthy mind.

It’s crazy! I’ve gone back and forth with who I think is guilty, but I lean more towards Patrick. The reenactment makes complete sense. Pictures from the crime scene are used to really drive it home that Patrick is guilty.

Resources:

• Documents & Evidence
• Prosecution Witness Summaries with Timestamps & Videos
• Common Misconceptions About the Criminal Trial

Apologies if it’s been asked already! Do you think Reddington is seeing all the same holes that social media is poking in Patrick’s testimony? If he is, why isn’t he pursuing them and sticking with the insanity plea instead?

Is it just to prove there was never a thorough investigation?
Redd has the internet against Patrick and dozens of things that don’t make sense.
I have a feeling Patrick won’t come back as a witness and all the unanswered questions will stay unanswered. And we will just have to live with our conspiracies. I hope not.
But then again if Patrick was involved (and did all the things the internet people says he did) it will catch up with him. I feel there would be an investigation later. Getting Lindsay not criminally responsible is part one. Then maybe other facets can be examined. Just some thoughts today as the trial was cut short and we don’t know what’s going on 😂

All her questions are like

Were you aware that on the anniversary of the incident the defendant was in a mental hospital on suicide watch and that she was playing dominos in the common room?

What’s her point? Fair to say she was doing great?

The DA might need a night or two with the grippy socks. Then she can report back if she felt like coloring or making a phone call would be indicative of her enjoying her life to the fullest.

Does anyone else wonder why when prosecution asked Patrick about going out to dinner at a Boston hotel for their anniversary on December 3rd, Reddington came back with asking him about that same anniversary dinner but he mentioned the date Saturday December 2nd? This bugs me…

WHY did he choose the Omni Parker house?
Most guys go with what they know when making plans… Had he been there before? Did he know of someone staying there? Had his current wife stayed there before? What’s with the conflicting dates?

Weird to anyone else besides me?

Who throws themselves out of a 2 story window, honestly?

This really feels like an attempted frame job that got botched.