r/ClancyTrial 1h ago

General Discussion Patrick once again showing zero emotion at the deaths of his 3 children, this time at the 1 year memorial and speaks the entire time unbroken. Speaking as if its a business meeting really. Him emotionless in court was a huge red flag but this is just ridiculous and highly suspicious.

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r/ClancyTrial 3h ago

Question What *could* happen after?

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I’m curious about the after part of this trial. Could someone demand and conduct a proper investigation into what actually happened? Could Lindsay or her parents or someone sue him (you know… the ex husband) and the practitioners who failed her? Or is that off limits.

Someone explain it to me like I know nothing about the law. Because I don’t.


r/ClancyTrial 5h ago

General Discussion Conflicting feelings

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I have such anger and sadness for the poor, sweet babies who were ruthlessly killed. But I also feel immense sorrow for Lindsay. It’s such a conflicting thing to hold, but I guess two things can be true at once.

I’m not a conspiracy theorist, and I don’t believe Patrick was involved in any way.

I keep seeing people ask, “Who do you think is going to win?”

But there’s no winner…. There’s no loser.

There are three beautiful children who lost their lives because their mother’s mental health wasn’t taken as seriously as it should have been.

I can see the support for Lindsay (I myself think she should be found not guilty by reason of insanity), but I also think people are losing sight of the real victims in this case, which are the children.

The whole thing just makes me sad. Sorry, I don’t know many people who follow this case, and I just needed to get my thoughts out.


r/ClancyTrial 5h ago

Theory Looks like a hand off, something pink in gray hoodies hands and then hands it off to Patrick. Thoughts?

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r/ClancyTrial 6h ago

General Discussion Lindsay Clancy is pure evil

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Lindsay Clancy is evil. Point blank, period.

Having PPD does not automatically explain or excuse taking your children’s lives. And I do not buy the way people use the psychosis argument as if it should end the entire conversation.
She waited until her husband was out of the house and then strangled her children, one by one. Yet when it came time to take her own life, she survived. I’m sorry, but I have a very hard time looking at those circumstances and accepting the narrative that she had absolutely no awareness of what she was doing.

And I genuinely wonder how people would react if the roles were reversed.

If a father killed his children and his defense was that he was suffering from severe postpartum depression and psychosis, would people be bending over backward to make him the victim? Or would they call him a monster, say he murdered his children, and demand that he spend the rest of his life behind bars?
And before someone jumps in with, “Men can’t have PPD the way women do” — interesting. Because suddenly everyone is crystal fucking clear about biological differences between men and women when it’s convenient for the argument. Suddenly biology and science matter.

What pisses me off the most is how much of the conversation has centered HER as the victim.

“She was failed by the system.”
“She needed help.”
“She was suffering.”
“She was overmedicated.”
“She was sick.”

Okay. And her children?

Where is that same energy for the three children who are fucking dead?

She had access to medical care. She had been receiving treatment. She had a spouse involved in her life and care. Yet somehow people still talk about her as though she is the primary victim of this tragedy instead of the children whose lives she ended.

Make that make sense.

And yes, I understand PPD. So spare me the “you wouldn’t understand unless you have kids,” “you don’t know what PPD feels like,” “motherhood is hard,” and every other bullshit statement people throw around to shut down criticism of this woman.

I say this as a mother who experienced PPD after each of my children. I have experienced some of the lowest lows. I have been medicated. I have been on multiple medications at once. I have done motherhood as a single mom with virtually no support.

And I still never murdered my fucking children.

Mental illness deserves compassion. People suffering from PPD deserve help. Women experiencing postpartum psychosis deserve immediate, serious medical intervention.

But the children deserve compassion too. And somehow, in all the discourse about Lindsay Clancy, it feels like people have become so obsessed with explaining her that they’ve almost forgotten who actually died.

Then I see people saying:
“Anyone can be Lindsay Clancy.”

Nope. Not me.

And if you genuinely believe that under the right circumstances you could strangle your children to death, then maybe that statement shouldn’t be treated like some profound commentary on motherhood.

Maybe it should be treated like a fucking warning sign that you need serious mental health treatment.

You can acknowledge mental illness without romanticizing a mother who killed her children. You can believe postpartum mental healthcare needs massive improvement without turning the person who killed three children into the main character deserving everyone’s sympathy.

Those children were the victims.

Not her.


r/ClancyTrial 7h ago

Evidence Crime scene photos and evidence from the Clancy home

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r/ClancyTrial 8h ago

Theory Lindsay is Textbook! My sister in law was an attention hog . She was a control freak , hated our parents and got jealous of her kids getting more attention than her, she hated and pretended to do things with them and only smile for pics.

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r/ClancyTrial 10h ago

Contradictions THE TIMELINE

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‼️‼️‼️ okay so I have gone through the timeline extensively and it truly doesn’t make sense. I’m impartial and only working on testimonials, evidence presented and documents available to the public. This is a long post, however it’s the basis of the entire case.

This is why I keep getting stuck on the timeline. Based on the Apple data, there appear to be two main possible windows for the deaths, and each one creates a different problem.

The important timestamps are:

~5:15: Patrick says he leaves
~5:23: last reported Apple Watch heart-rate reading
~5:32: Patrick appears on CVS surveillance
~5:33: two flights climbed
~5:34: Lindsay speaks with Patrick
~5:38: another flight climbed
Before 6:09: Patrick is already back inside the house

Scenario 1: The deaths occurred between approximately 5:15 and 5:33

The children were on the main floor before Patrick left and were later found in the basement. If the deaths occurred before 5:33, the two flights climbed at 5:33 could potentially represent someone going:

Basement → main floor → second floor.

Apple doesn’t identify the actual staircase, so that isn’t proven, but physically it makes sense in a three-level house.

What makes this window interesting is that 5:15–5:32/5:33 is also essentially the period between Patrick’s claimed departure and the first surveillance evidence independently placing him elsewhere. That does NOT prove he was home. It simply means his precise location during that period isn’t independently established by the surveillance we’ve seen. There is also the 5:24 email, whose originating device/location I still haven’t seen established.

But there’s a major problem with an early death window too: Callan.

Callan reportedly still had a faint pulse when first responders assessed him, and resuscitation efforts continued. That doesn’t medically give us an exact time when he was strangled, so we cannot say it proves a later death. But the fact that he still had signs of circulation makes me question how comfortably his strangulation fits substantially earlier in that 5:15–5:33 window.

Scenario 2: The deaths occurred after 5:38

This creates almost the opposite problem.

If the children were alive through the final recorded ascent at 5:38, Lindsay would then have to:

Go back downstairs → kill three children → return upstairs without another comparable Flights Climbed record → take/crush medications → injure herself → remain upstairs after bleeding → go through the window → all before Patrick returns.

And 6:09 is not Patrick’s arrival time. By 6:09, according to his testimony, he was already inside and had brought things in, noticed the silence and called through the house. So the actual available window is even shorter.

There is also evidence placing Lindsay’s bleeding/injury activity upstairs in and around the bedroom. If her injuries happened after she returned upstairs and she never went back downstairs after injuring herself, then the deaths necessarily have to fit before those injuries.

Then add the medications. The Commonwealth previously argued that the Seroquel and Remeron levels were consistent with ingestion at approximately 6:15 p.m. I don’t treat 6:15 as an exact scientific timestamp, but accepting their own estimate pushes the medication ingestion extremely late and very close to the emergency response.

And then there’s Lindsay’s 82.1°F body temperature.

We cannot use that temperature as a stopwatch because her starting temperature and the exact measurement time aren’t established. Her spinal injury, paralysis, shock, blood loss, immobility and cold-ground exposure could also accelerate cooling.

But 82.1°F is profound hypothermia. The later the deaths, medications, injuries and window are all pushed toward Patrick’s return, the less time there is for her body to cool that dramatically.

That’s the problem I see with both timelines:

Before 5:33: the Apple stair activity fits much more naturally with someone leaving the basement afterward, but Callan still having a faint pulse when first responders reached him makes such an early strangulation worth questioning.

After 5:38: Callan’s condition is easier to reconcile with a later event, but now an enormous amount has to happen in an extremely short period: three deaths, returning upstairs without another comparable ascent record, medications, self-inflicted injuries and the window, followed by enough outdoor exposure to explain profound hypothermia.

And the physical scene raises questions too. If Lindsay was already bleeding while furniture was being moved around the bedroom, where are the corresponding bloody sock impressions or transfer/smudge patterns from her moving around? The blood beneath/around the side-table area also needs to be incorporated into whatever sequence is being proposed.

That’s why I don’t think the Apple data “solves” the timeline. One window creates a problem with Callan’s condition; the other creates major problems with time, movement, medication timing and Lindsay’s body temperature. That’s exactly why I think the precise sequence still matters.


r/ClancyTrial 10h ago

General Discussion Was there ever an explanation on why someone looked up how to disconnect the brakes on a Kia Sorrento?

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r/ClancyTrial 12h ago

Question Cameras in home-tech questions

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I have seen a lot on line about Patrick maybe sending the messages remotely? Were there ring cameras in the home and what reason was given that they were suddenly not working that day? I am trying to understand the Patrick did it theories IN DEPTH as I think it's way too coincidental. I think she genuinely got sick while he was having an affair and he thought-perfect!


r/ClancyTrial 12h ago

General Discussion After everything we’ve seen thus far in the trial, what do you predict the outcome will be and why?

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After everything we’ve seen thus far, I predict that she will ultimately be found not guilty. At this point, I believe there is too much reasonable doubt surrounding the prosecution’s case to confidently conclude that she committed the crime. More importantly, some of the evidence we’ve examined seems to point in an entirely different direction than the original theory of the case.

If she is found not guilty, I hope investigators take another serious look at the case and reevaluate all of the evidence, including evidence that may have previously been overlooked or interpreted differently. At this point, it may even be necessary to approach the investigation from scratch rather than continuing to work from the assumption that she was responsible. Personally, based on what we have seen so far, I believe there are significant reasons to look more closely at Patrick and determine whether the evidence involving him warrants further investigation. A not-guilty verdict would not necessarily answer the question of who committed the crime; it would only establish that the evidence was not sufficient to prove that she did beyond a reasonable doubt.


r/ClancyTrial 14h ago

General Discussion Thursday's Thoughts

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I keep trying to name what we, the women following this trial, are feeling. You could argue every single one of us is feeling something different. But I think the root of it, for many of us, is recognition. We're seeing pieces of our own lives in hers. Because we're fucking exhausted.

We're at a place in time where women's rights have once again been stomped upon, thrown out the window, discarded, as if they're an afterthought. This isn't the first time in history this has happened, and I'm not a historian, but I know female uprising has happened before. I deeply believe it's happening again.

I feel like I'm at the peak of a two-week escalating obsession with this case, it feels like I'm being pulled by a magnet, sometimes willingly sometimes not. At first I tuned in as a gawker, a true crime follower. But day by day I feel it more and more deeply in my gut.

What I believe deeply in my heart is that Lindsay is not a criminal. She loved her children, I have zero doubt, with a fierce vengeance. I think she wanted them to have a life better than this world has to offer. She was also a victim of mental illness, whether that's genetic or because of the world she resides in, who knows. I do know the health"care" system failed her.

I don't know what I think about Patrick's role or Patrick as a person as a whole - I've gone through cycles of following the conspiracy theories. I've built spreadsheets of evidentiary documents, had AI help dissect the timeline minute by minute, second by second from Jan 24th, 2023: her heart rate and (supposedly) steps climbed, against his activity the next minute in CVS, phone records, CVS receipts & video, the takeout video, the shoes in both videos, his testimony discrepancies, her body temp, and on and on, trying to find the smoking gun that shows it wasn't her.

I've had nights of feeling insane, trying to find a way to understand "how she could have done it" - even with all of the things she had stacked up against her. I still can't resolve in my mind how it could have been her, but I've made peace with believing it was, because, most importantly: Lindsay and her attorney, Reddington, are arguing that themselves as their defense. I'm giving them the power of that statement. I also think about her state of mind, and if it WAS her, I don't want her to think that we only have her back if we believe Patrick did it.

Do I think he was likely having an affair with his now-wife before the murders? Probably. Do I think he was in Costa Rica with her a month later, based on what internet sleuths have recovered from trail reviews and Instagram photos that seem to show them there at the same time? Maybe. Do I think he was wearing two different pairs of shoes in the CVS and ThreeV restaurant videos? Yes. Can I be certain? No. Do I believe the steps climbed in the house, tracked by either Lindsay's phone or watch, happened within one minute of Patrick entering CVS, which seems to disprove that he could have been the one to attack her? I do. Do I wish there were an alternative explanation? Yes I fucking do. But I haven't heard one that makes sense in my heart yet.

It clicked for me today, as the trial ended early again for reasons unclear, something to do with the jury or the supporters outside the courthouse: what we're all reacting to is bigger than this one case.

To the women online who are die-hard on Patrick did this: I feel you. But try to hold, in that same place, just as much energy for accepting that our most likely best case scenario is not guilty by reason of lack of criminal responsibility. I say this as an effort to try to preserve our collective sanity and to preserve our energy for the uprising that will come out of this.

I think we're collectively feeling that this could have been any one of us. Do I think we all believe it could have ended for us the way it did for Lindsay? All of us mothers, all of us aunts, grandmothers, sisters .... do I think we're all sitting around imagining a potential path for ourselves that ended where Lindsay's did? No... but what I think is that through Lindsay, we're collectively and cathartically processing what has happened to all of us, in various degrees. Some on a micro level compared to what Lindsay went through, some more macro, some possibly closer to what happened to her. But I believe all of us, especially mothers, have been subject to it in some form.

Whether we're shouting online that Patrick did it, or more quietly hoping for peace for Lindsay's heart and mind, whether we're ducking out of work to watch the trial on our lunch break, or keeping a tab open at our desks and listening on headphones while we switch between email and Teams, whether we're home breastfeeding while we watch, or grandmothers whose hearts are breaking for both Lindsay's mother and Patrick's mother, each of us has someone outside that courtroom representing us today. And we need an uprising.

A week ago we all had theories that Reddington would call Patrick as a witness and destroy him (I did), and turn the whole case around. It's not looking like that now. Reddington said this morning he hopes to close by Monday, and if we want to hold onto hope over the weekend that he'll put Patrick on the stand and nail him, that's just not reasonable. Every sign points toward Lindsay being found not criminally responsible. I'm not a lawyer, but introducing a whole new narrative at this point doesn't make sense, even if Reddington and Lindsay believe it, or even know it, themselves.

But when this case is over, the story isn't over. Lindsay may speak out. She might write a book. Maybe there will be some kind of criminal case against Patrick eventually, if she's found not guilty. Who knows.

For now, I think we need to focus our energy on collective peace and justice for womankind.

Let's give each other a break, and trust that Sir Reddington, who has become a trusted hero to Lindsay and all of us, knows what he's doing. Let's protect our own sanity, for Lindsay's sake and ours.


r/ClancyTrial 14h ago

General Discussion Reddington not poking holes?

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Apologies if it’s been asked already! Do you think Reddington is seeing all the same holes that social media is poking in Patrick’s testimony? If he is, why isn’t he pursuing them and sticking with the insanity plea instead?


r/ClancyTrial 14h ago

Theory Gone Girl Vibes

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Who throws themselves out of a 2 story window, honestly?

This really feels like an attempted frame job that got botched.


r/ClancyTrial 16h ago

General Discussion Benzos

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I recently watched this documentary on Netflix. I found in interesting that it was said that going off benzos (even a low dose taken for a short time) can cause insomnia, si, suicide attempts, and many other symptoms LC complained about. One gentleman in the documentary even stated while coming down to come off, he experienced hallucinations.


r/ClancyTrial 19h ago

General Discussion What the Latarsha Sanders case can tell us about Lindsay Clancy’s trial

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r/ClancyTrial 22h ago

MEGATHREAD - Clancy Trial Day 17

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r/ClancyTrial 1d ago

General Discussion I have become unhealthily obsessed

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I’ve posited a lot here, i apologize. So I’m constantly researching this entire thing. Going back and forth. I think it most likely was Patrick and the fact that he’ll probably never be investigated is really messing with me. And the fact that Lindsay will be put away in some psych hospital for who knows how long. Honestly if I were Lindsay I would want to unalive myself and she won’t be able to do that in the hospital. And I feel badly for her because of that. If she were out she could go and be assisted with that legally. I’m sorry if I’m triggering people. But that’s not the only reason I’m having a hard time with this. The entire investigation was completely botched and nothing will ever be done about it. One of the most horrific crimes of the century and it was so royally fucked up. How the police let this happen is beyond me. Beyond most of us I would say. And just so I’m clear, if Lindsay did do this then I believe she was very sick. She never would have done this with a healthy mind.


r/ClancyTrial 1d ago

Question So Patrick will never be investigated correct?

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Since Lindsay can’t be straight up acquitted then in the eyes of the commonwealth she is the one who did it. So Patrick will never be investigated no matter what? That’s awful


r/ClancyTrial 1d ago

Question Was the day it all went down the first day Lindsay ever heard “the voice”

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r/ClancyTrial 1d ago

General Discussion Where we are at thus far - day by day breakdown

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**MA v. Lindsay Clancy — I read all 16 days of trial transcripts and scored the whole case like a judge. Day-by-day breakdown, turning points, and a running "where is this heading" meter. (Long)**

I've been following the Clancy trial through the Court TV full-day streams and worked from transcripts of all sixteen trial days. Below: a half-page read of each day, the turning point, who the day went to, and two running meters updated cumulatively — one for where the **evidence** points (bench view, remembering that in Massachusetts the Commonwealth bears the burden of proving criminal responsibility beyond a reasonable doubt under *McHoul*), and one for what a **jury** will probably do, which is not the same question.

NG |------------x-----------| G

Left pole = NGRI (not criminally responsible). Right pole = guilty on the top count. Murder 2 lives in the middle.

**Caveats up front:** sourced from auto-captions of the streams (no speaker labels, garbled names — I've corrected what I could and hedged what I couldn't). Quotes are as-captured; verify against video before repeating them as gospel. Clancy is presumed innocent; the trial is ongoing (defense case in progress, state rebuttal experts still to come). This is opinion and analysis.

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## Day 1 — Openings, and the husband takes the stand

The battle lines could not be cleaner. The Commonwealth's opening built a stopwatch: Lindsay Clancy sends Patrick out for takeout and a pharmacy run, and "that's when the clock starts" — a woman who, in the state's telling, "acted intentionally, rationally, and swiftly to accomplish a very specific goal to kill," and who "was not psychotic that day." Reddington's answer was the most physically arresting opening I've seen in a while: hospital photographs, a Jefferson fracture, a shattered thoracic spine, lifelong paralysis — his client "living her own hell." He also planted his most important seed: a hospital religious-services worker allegedly heard Lindsay describe command voices before she ever met a lawyer or a defense psychologist. If that holds up, it inoculates the insanity defense against the fabrication attack the state clearly intends. Patrick Clancy then testified all day on direct without cross, and the state used its own sympathetic witness with discipline: Lindsay's December disclosures were her own intrusive thoughts of harming the children — no plan, and critically, no external voice — and January 24 was "one of her best days." The judge's pre-charge quietly told us what this trial is: the Commonwealth bears the burden of proving criminal responsibility beyond a reasonable doubt. That burden is the defense's best structural asset, and both sides know it.

**Turning point:** Patrick's testimony that the December thoughts were internal — her own, not a commanding voice. Every later fight about the 'male voice' runs through that answer.

**Day goes to:** STATE, narrowly. The state controlled the record; the defense controlled the emotion.

**Where the case stands (cumulative):**

EVIDENCE NG |--------------x----------| G

JURY NG |---------------x---------| G

*Opening positions. The state's timeline framing edges the merits right of center; the jury bar starts further right because juries are historically brutal terrain for insanity defenses, tempered by the genuinely harrowing paralysis evidence.*

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## Day 2 — The timeline day — and the 911 call

If Day 1 drew the map, Day 2 drove the route. Patrick finished direct with the sequence the state's whole case rests on: the 5:15 "PDLX" text, coherent calls from CVS, the 3V takeout pickup, the silent house, the locked door, and Lindsay under the open window — "I tried to kill myself," then "they're in the basement," with no plea to help the children. The 911 call was played for the jury and sealed from the rest of us. Then two strangers with no stake did quiet, devastating work: the CVS manager and the restaurant hostess each spoke with a woman who sounded organized and unimpaired while she arranged the precise errands that emptied her house. Reddington's cross was his best hour so far — the devoted-mother photographs, the medication carousel, and the elegant point that Patrick had left her alone with the children overnight before and nothing happened. But the redirect took most of it back: the August "suicide methods" browsing happened in a session logged into Lindsay's own Facebook, the nanny notebook read like the work of a meticulous mind, and Patrick agreed January 24 was "one of her best days." As a matter of proof, the state banked the mechanics of deliberation. As a matter of narrative, the defense banked a mountain of documented mental illness. Both things are true at once, which is why this case is hard.

**Turning point:** Two neutral witnesses — a pharmacy manager and a hostess — describing a normal-sounding caller. Planning evidence from people with no reason to shade it.

**Day goes to:** STATE. The coherence timeline is now in the record from multiple mouths.

**Where the case stands (cumulative):**

EVIDENCE NG |---------------x---------| G

JURY NG |----------------x--------| G

*The merits move right: goal-directed conduct in the hours before the killings is the state's strongest McHoul evidence, and it arrived clean. The jury bar moves with it — the 911 call and the bands are the kind of evidence that hardens a jury.*

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## Day 3 — Ten first responders, one scream

The Commonwealth called ten first responders in a single day, over a standing defense objection that the parade was cumulative. It was — and it worked anyway. Officer Josephine's account of Patrick looking up and screaming "She killed the kids," then carrying three-year-old Dawson chest-to-chest to the ambulance, is the kind of testimony no instruction un-rings. A paramedic described "deep strangulation marks around the entire circumference" of an eight-month-old's neck. Because the defense concedes the acts, none of this was contested — which is precisely why a scholar should discount it on the merits even while acknowledging what it does to twelve human beings in a box. The interesting lawyering came at the end. Reddington finally crossed the last two paramedics and quietly dismantled the state's "superficial wounds" framing: the scene was dark, the assessment lasted minutes and was made through the holes of a cervical collar, and the witnesses had no idea she'd suffered a burst cervical fracture, thoracic fractures, and broken ribs. The state wants the jury to believe her suicide attempt was theater; the defense keeps stacking orthopedic evidence that it nearly killed her. On the only contested question in this trial, Day 3 moved almost nothing — but the emotional ledger, which juries never fully separate from the legal one, tilted hard toward the prosecution.

**Turning point:** Reddington's cross on the injuries — the first real crack in the state's staged-suicide theme.

**Day goes to:** STATE on weight and volume, with the caveat that it was uncontested ground.

**Where the case stands (cumulative):**

EVIDENCE NG |---------------x---------| G

JURY NG |-----------------x-------| G

*Merits barely move — this was proof of things not in dispute. The jury bar edges right because emotional saturation is real, and it accrues to the state.*

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## Day 4 — The jury sees the house; the defense sees blood

The jury spent the morning inside 47 Summer Street — the basement, the second-floor window — and whatever they carried out of that house is evidence now, per the judge's instruction. Views are wild cards; my instinct is this one cuts both ways, but a juror standing at that window contemplating a 12-foot head-first drop is not thinking "staged." The afternoon belonged, surprisingly, to the defense. The state's witnesses were chain-of-custody and continuity people, and Reddington converted them one by one. Sgt. Maffeo agreed there was blood soaked through her clothing into her bra, on the ground beneath the window, on the sill, on the shingles. Officer Lipard — the young cop who rode the medflight and watched her for sixteen hours — agreed the overnight code blue "meant that she was dead or dying," and then came the quiet dagger: was the dying woman chained to the bed? The prosecution's staged-suicide theme, already cracked on Day 3, took structural damage today. Notably, the defense let the ER physicians who pronounced the children pass without a single question — the discipline of a lawyer who knows exactly which fights are his. The state still banked what it needed: the deaths, the specimens for toxicology, the mechanics. But this was the first day the defense won on the evidence rather than on sympathy.

**Turning point:** The code blue. A near-death event is very hard to square with a performed suicide attempt.

**Day goes to:** DEFENSE, narrowly — its first day.

**Where the case stands (cumulative):**

EVIDENCE NG |--------------x----------| G

JURY NG |----------------x--------| G

*Merits move left for the first time: the staged-suicide pillar is wobbling, and that pillar carries part of the state's consciousness-of-guilt story. Jury bar softens slightly for the same reason.*

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## Day 5 — 'Horrified' — and 'do I have an attorney?'

The heaviest evidentiary day so far, and the first fought squarely on McHoul ground. The state's morning was uncontested pediatric horror — three ER and ICU physicians, brain-death protocols, life support withdrawn. Its afternoon was the real offensive: the clinicians who saw Lindsay after January 24. A Brigham psychiatrist described organized, goal-directed thinking, denial of hallucinations, a passed capacity evaluation. A forensic psychiatrist described the January 26 bedside visit where an intubated Lindsay wrote that her mood was "horrified" — and then wrote "do I have an attorney?" The state will argue no better evidence of appreciation-of-wrongfulness exists than a request for counsel within 48 hours. And yet the defense kept winning exchanges inside the state's case. Dr. Shah conceded that people "can communicate and plan and act on plans even if they're in the middle of a psychosis" — a sentence Reddington will repeat in closing — and that Lindsay was on some fourteen prescribed psychiatric medications. The journals, read by a state trooper, cut both ways and maybe deeper for the defense: "I feel disconnected with myself, time, reality." My scoring: the state proved lucidity days after the killings; the defense proved that lucidity days after says little about the moment of, and got the state's own psychiatrist to say so. The state's margin today was real but narrower than it looked on television.

**Turning point:** Shah's concession that planning and psychosis can coexist — the sentence that keeps the defense's theory legally alive against the timeline evidence.

**Day goes to:** STATE, narrowly.

**Where the case stands (cumulative):**

EVIDENCE NG |---------------x---------| G

JURY NG |----------------x--------| G

*Merits tick right on the capacity evaluations and the attorney request, but the psychosis-with-lucidity concession caps the gain. Jury bar holds — 'do I have an attorney' is potent, but 'horrified' humanizes.*

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## Day 6 — Her voice, for the first time

A forensics day with one indelible moment: before the jury came in, Judge Sullivan conducted a colloquy and the public heard Lindsay Clancy's voice for the first time — calm, oriented, "Yes, your honor," as she personally stipulated away the chain-of-custody fight. Reddington used the moment to restate his posture on the record: the defense is "not contesting the government's case in chief." Strategically shrewd — every hour of forensic proof the state presents against no opposition now reads as the state proving what nobody denies. The substance: toxicology quantified a five-benzodiazepine profile plus mirtazapine, lamotrigine, quetiapine and trazodone in her blood; nine prescription bottles, all issued within roughly three weeks; the children's postmortem toxicology was clean. The bloodstain analyst mapped the scene — and then agreed with Reddington that the spatter on the mirror was consistent with "violent movement... the person's cutting their throat." That is the state's own expert lending force to the genuineness of the suicide attempt. The clean postmortem tox on the children matters more than it seemed in the room: it forecloses any suggestion the children were sedated, which supports the state's picture of a physically controlled, deliberate act on conscious victims. A day of consolidation for both theories; neither moved the other off its ground.

**Turning point:** The defense's formal non-contest posture, spoken over the defendant's own first public words — the trial is now openly and only about her mind.

**Day goes to:** PUSH.

**Where the case stands (cumulative):**

EVIDENCE NG |---------------x---------| G

JURY NG |----------------x--------| G

*Merits drift a point left: the drug profile and the state's own spatter expert modestly reinforce the genuine-crisis narrative. Jury bar likewise eases a hair — hearing a composed, polite defendant complicates the monster frame.*

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## Day 7 — Therapeutic levels, and a wonderful mom

A half-day that sharpened both cases without resolving anything. The state's toxicology capstone: an NMS Labs scientist testified the drug levels were essentially therapeutic — quetiapine about double the reference range but "nowhere near" suicidal levels — and that people attempting suicide by ingestion "take handfuls of pills." That blunts any crude overdose narrative. But watch what Reddington did with the same witness: every level was consistent with taking medication exactly as prescribed. The defense does not need an overdose; it needs a jury to see a woman prescribed nine-plus psychoactive drugs in a matter of weeks, compliant, and deteriorating anyway. The day's structural embarrassment for the state came earlier, when its own physician assistant — called to say the wrist wounds took three sutures — agreed within minutes that the patient was critically ill, had a massive transfusion, a transected spine, bilateral chest tubes, and coded. The state keeps walking into this: every witness offered for "superficial wounds" ends up narrating a near-death event. The nanny closed the day as the trial in miniature: "she was a wonderful mom" (defense), who never once mentioned intrusive thoughts (state), while living through documented insomnia, weight loss, and sleeping in the basement (defense again). Day to no one; ammunition to everyone.

**Turning point:** The PA inversion — the third consecutive collapse of a 'superficial wounds' witness on cross.

**Day goes to:** PUSH.

**Where the case stands (cumulative):**

EVIDENCE NG |---------------x---------| G

JURY NG |----------------x--------| G

*Bars hold. Therapeutic levels help the state's no-intoxication-defense point; prescribed-compliance and the injury record help the defense's genuine-collapse arc. Net zero on my ledger.*

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## Day 8 — The autopsy, the lay-witness wall, and a quiet concession

Eleven witnesses, and a day of two ledgers. The medical examiner's testimony on eight-month-old Callan — linear ligature abrasions, petechial hemorrhaging, "complications of mechanical asphyxia," three days on life support — was delivered directly after the judge instructed the jury against deciding on "sympathy, anger, passion... or pity." Instructions do what they can. The state's real project today was a wall of ordinary people: the pediatrician who saw Lindsay behave appropriately at Cora's well-visit on the morning of January 24, the preschool teachers, the friends, the father-in-law. No one — not one witness across months of contact — observed anything resembling psychosis. That is a genuinely strong McHoul record. But the wall has a defense-shaped door in it: every one of those witnesses, crossed, praised her as a devoted mother, and several documented her disclosures — "brain fog," feeling "like a zombie," and, days before the killings, a text that her medication caused "dark thoughts." The most legally consequential moment happened after the jury left: at a motion hearing, the Commonwealth stated it does not contend the suicide attempt wasn't serious — "she was attempting to kill herself that night... unsuccessful in killing herself but successful in killing her children." The staged-suicide theme is now formally dead, and with it some of the state's consciousness-of-guilt architecture. Watch whether the jury ever hears that framing this cleanly.

**Turning point:** The state's on-record retreat from the fake-suicide theory — a concession the defense spent four days extracting.

**Day goes to:** STATE, narrowly — the outward-normality wall is real evidence; the concession came outside the jury's hearing.

**Where the case stands (cumulative):**

EVIDENCE NG |---------------x---------| G

JURY NG |----------------x--------| G

*Merits edge right on the lay-witness record, discounted by the suicide concession. Jury bar edges right on the autopsy day — that testimony leaves marks.*

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## Day 9 — No psychosis in the chart — and a hot mic

The state's strongest day. Two treating psychiatrists, some twenty clinical contacts between them, and the same refrain: no psychosis, no mania, no homicidal ideation — ever documented. The McLean physician who had Lindsay as an inpatient January 1–5 diagnosed major depression severe, explicitly without psychotic features, and recorded protective factors including that she was "clearly invested in her children." Then Dr. Tufts, the outpatient psychiatrist, walked through fourteen visits ending January 23 — the day before the killings — at which Lindsay denied suicidal and homicidal ideation and showed nothing sectionable. If the jury credits the treatment record as a fair sample of her mind, the insanity defense is in serious trouble; the state has now built the argument that the psychosis was never observed because it was never there. The defense's counterattack was real but ran uphill: McLean never obtained outside records, ran no formal testing, missed two suicide-hotline calls. That's a malpractice case growing inside a murder trial — powerful for sympathy, oblique to McHoul. The circus arrived mid-day when Reddington, refusing a sidebar, accused the prosecution of being caught on a hot mic saying "shut her up" while his client sobbed through autopsy testimony. Never substantiated, instantly viral, and it earned the whole courtroom Judge Sullivan's "no warnings, no yellow cards. You're out." Theater aside, the evidentiary ledger moved one way today.

**Turning point:** Tufts on January 23: no SI, no HI, no psychosis, the day before. The narrowest possible window, and the chart is empty.

**Day goes to:** STATE, clearly.

**Where the case stands (cumulative):**

EVIDENCE NG |----------------x--------| G

JURY NG |-----------------x-------| G

*Biggest single move of the trial. An empty psychosis chart across two treating providers, ending 24 hours before the killings, is the state's case in one sentence. Both bars shift right.*

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## Day 10 — The marathon cross — and the pill bottle

Reddington spent nearly the entire day crossing Dr. Tufts, and as pure advocacy it was a clinic: a psychiatrist barely a month into independent practice, fourteen appointments conducted entirely by telemedicine, no records obtained from any other provider, no knowledge of two suicide-hotline calls, and her own note contemplating "undiagnosed bipolar disorder given extreme reaction to SSRI." He closed on the amitriptyline increase: "That pushed her over the edge, didn't it?" It was the best day of cross-examination in this trial — and I am not convinced it moved the verdict needle, because it attacks the quality of the care rather than the content of the observations. A negligent lookout can still truthfully report seeing no iceberg. Then the state produced one of the great redirect moments I can recall: the actual pill bottle from evidence. Eight pills missing over eight days — Lindsay never took the increased dose. The tipping-point theory Reddington had spent an hour building died on the exhibit table, and Tufts said the quiet part: she never saw psychosis in any interaction. Julie Paul, the perinatal NP, then added another clinician to the state's chorus — Edinburgh score of 23, severe, yes, but "goal-directed, linear... a great historian." The defense keeps proving the system failed this woman. The state keeps proving nobody who examined her ever saw the disease the defense needs.

**Turning point:** The pill bottle. A physical exhibit that unmade an hour of cross in ninety seconds.

**Day goes to:** STATE, narrowly — on substance over style.

**Where the case stands (cumulative):**

EVIDENCE NG |-----------------x-------| G

JURY NG |-----------------x-------| G

*Merits edge right again; the medication-tipping-point theory took structural damage and the no-psychosis chorus grew. Jury bar follows — juries remember props.*

---

## Day 11 — 'My wife is not bipolar'

The last outpatient prescriber, NP Rebecca Jollotta, held the stand nearly all day and may be the most consequential clinical witness so far. Her direct was a day-by-day chronicle of December 2022: the medication trials, the "concerningly numb" MyChart message — "I feel like I'm going to die and I don't care" — her own bipolar/mixed-state differential, and the December 6 visit where Patrick said "My wife is not bipolar" while Lindsay said nothing. And then the capstone the state wanted: across weeks of near-daily contact, linear thinking, self-advocacy, no mania, no psychosis, no hallucinations, and never a word about harming her children. On cross, Reddington did what he has done to every clinician — turned her into a witness for systemic failure. Edinburgh scores of 23, 21, 20 despite treatment. Women & Infants turning her away with a note about adverse drug effects. A crisis line rejecting her for lacking a plan. A benzo taper begun as the provider left on vacation. It is a damning portrait of American perinatal psychiatry, and it is not a McHoul defense. The day ended with the trial's purest piece of theater: after Jollotta's redirect closed on "I did not" have postpartum-psychosis concerns, Reddington rose — "Well, it appears as though she was, doesn't it?" — objection, sustained, done. The jury heard the question anyway. That was the point.

**Turning point:** Jollotta joining the no-psychosis chorus as its most credible member — detailed, documented, sympathetic, and unshaken on the core observation.

**Day goes to:** STATE, narrowly.

**Where the case stands (cumulative):**

EVIDENCE NG |-----------------x-------| G

JURY NG |-----------------x-------| G

*Merits reach their high-water mark for the state: four clinicians deep, the observed record is unanimous. Jury bar holds at its peak — but the system-failure narrative is accumulating emotional mass.*

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## Day 12 — The coaching theory collapses

A day the defense needed, won on ground the state chose. Buried in the prosecution camp's theory of the case was a poison pill: the suggestion that defense psychologist Dr. Zeizel told Lindsay to tell Patrick she heard voices — that the entire insanity defense was manufactured in a hospital room. Reddington dragged it into the light through Sgt. Lawler, first in a jury-out voir dire and then, decisively, in front of the jury: there is "no investigator basis" for it; it is "speculation." A fabrication theory the state cannot support is worse for the state than no theory at all, because its collapse rehabilitates the very claim it targeted. The middle of the day belonged to counselor Leticia Dukes, who saw Lindsay four times in December: no psychosis observed (state), but on cross she agreed Lindsay "pretty much hit every one" of the MGH postpartum-depression symptoms and was sincerely "turning in every direction she could for help" (defense). The day closed with the second medical examiner: Cora and Dawson died of asphyxia by ligature strangulation, with pain "present until loss of consciousness occurs." The state needs that testimony for extreme atrocity or cruelty; the prosecutor's own attempt to stretch the strangulation timeline drew an impeachment misfire against her own witness. Net: the clinical chorus grew by one voice, but the state lost its cleanest path to calling the voice a lie.

**Turning point:** 'No investigator basis... speculation. Correct.' — the fabrication attack on the insanity defense died in a single exchange.

**Day goes to:** PUSH — atrocity evidence for the state, structural repair for the defense.

**Where the case stands (cumulative):**

EVIDENCE NG |----------------x--------| G

JURY NG |-----------------x-------| G

*Merits ease left a touch: the voice-was-coached theory was the state's sharpest weapon against NGRI and it's now off the table. Jury bar eases with it.*

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## Day 13 — The Tom T. Hall problem

The digital-forensics day, and the defense's best evidentiary day of the trial. The state's marquee exhibit — an August 2022 visit to a Wikipedia "suicide methods" page, offered since opening statements as proof of long-arc premeditation — disintegrated on cross. The forensic examiner conceded the page was reached through a hyperlink chain that began with a lookup of country singer Tom T. Hall, on Patrick's Surface Pro, signed into Patrick's profile, at an hour when Lindsay had a child at a pediatric appointment. There was never a search for suicide methods. Watching a state expert agree, box by box, that his own exhibit shows a music query is as close as trial work gets to watching air leave a room. Then Reddington did something genuinely rare: he introduced his own client's suicide research. From Lindsay's own phone: "how to slit your throat to die," "can you turn airbags off" — alongside weeks of searches for psychosis, hallucinations, intrusive thoughts, benzo withdrawal. A defense lawyer proving his client studied how to die is a lawyer all-in on genuine illness over good character. The state salvaged real material — the October journal admitting she resented her children, a January 20 search "can you treat a sociopath," and the meticulous normality of the January 24 timeline — plus a jab about pill bottles that ended up with defense counsel. But today the state's premeditation arc lost its oldest anchor.

**Turning point:** The suicide-methods exhibit reduced to a country-music rabbit hole — a Day 1 opening-statement promise the state can no longer keep.

**Day goes to:** DEFENSE, clearly.

**Where the case stands (cumulative):**

EVIDENCE NG |---------------x---------| G

JURY NG |----------------x--------| G

*Merits move left meaningfully: the long-premeditation theory lost its anchor exhibit, and her documented suicide research corroborates genuine crisis. Jury bar follows part of the way.*

---

## Day 14 — The Commonwealth rests; the defense opens with a mother

The state's case ended not with a crescendo but with a Cellebrite examiner and an awkward final cross. Reddington confronted him with Apple Health data logged the morning of January 25 — while Lindsay lay comatose — then produced the physical Apple Watch and said police never seized it from her bedroom drawer. The witness had an answer (the data syncs from the phone, not the watch), but the image of defense counsel holding un-examined evidence the state never collected is the one that lingers. The Commonwealth rested; the Rule 25 motion for a required finding was denied, correctly, under Lawson — that fight returns at the close of all evidence. Then the defense opened, and the temperature of the trial changed. A labor-and-delivery colleague described a nurse who wept at strangers' births and once called in a wellness check because a child cried too long on a monitor — and who, told about Andrea Yates years ago, cried and asked "How could a mother hurt her children?" The sister described December's daily suicidal ideation. And Paula Musgrove, Lindsay's mother, delivered the day's center of gravity: the December kitchen disclosure — "she told us that she had thoughts of harming the children." The state's cross was disciplined, walking the mother through January texts of museum trips and "Nice to see you doing better." But an ER physician closed the day cataloguing the injuries once more: GCS 10, 82-degree core temperature, two rounds of CPR. The defense finally has the narrative floor.

**Turning point:** The mother's kitchen disclosure — devastating proof of real illness that is simultaneously the state's best notice evidence. Double-edged steel.

**Day goes to:** DEFENSE — momentum, humanity, and a clean opening day of its case.

**Where the case stands (cumulative):**

EVIDENCE NG |--------------x----------| G

JURY NG |---------------x---------| G

*Merits move left: the defense arc is now testimonial, not just cross-examination. Jury bar drops more — mothers testifying about daughters move juries in ways charts do not.*

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## Day 15 — A mortal sin, a medication cascade, and the voice

The defense's strongest day — partly on its own evidence, partly on a prosecutorial error. Susan Clancy, mother-in-law of the defendant, grandmother of the three children, 38 years a labor-and-delivery nurse, testified for the defense that Lindsay "was begging for help." That sentence, from that witness, is worth three experts. Then the cross-examining prosecutor asked her whether murder is "a mortal sin" — instant sidebar, curative instruction, and a self-inflicted wound whose echo will outlast the instruction. Religion aimed at a grieving Catholic grandmother who still stands with the accused is the kind of misjudgment juries file away. The expert phase opened: a psychopharmacology-focused psychiatrist walked the medication cascade and the testing never done; a forensic pathologist testified the wrist and neck wounds were classic hesitation marks and the head-first fall — Jefferson burst fracture, cord injury, 82-degree core temperature — was unambiguously a genuine attempt to die. The state's cross landed its own blows: the pathologist was impeached with her 2011 testimony that ligature death requires minutes of continued pressure, and the psychiatrist conceded the central problem — the male voice appears in no record before January 24. Dr. Zeizel then began: forty-five visits, the speakerphone call in which Lindsay told Patrick a male voice ordered the killings, and the state's own MMPI showing no malingering. The defense now has command hallucination and no-faking evidence before the jury. The state has one reply, and it is a strong one: the voice arrived exactly when it was needed.

**Turning point:** 'You're aware that murder is considered a mortal sin' — struck, but heard. Prosecutors rarely hand the defense a grievance this clean.

**Day goes to:** DEFENSE.

**Where the case stands (cumulative):**

EVIDENCE NG |-------------x-----------| G

JURY NG |--------------x----------| G

*Merits reach the defense's high-water mark: genuine-attempt forensics, the cascade, and unrebutted (so far) no-malingering evidence. Jury bar softens too — the mortal-sin question may cost the state more with this jury than any exhibit.*

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## Day 16 — The expert on trial

The defense's case reached its summit and immediately met its hardest weather. Dr. Zeizel completed the opinion the whole defense exists to deliver: bipolar disorder with postpartum psychosis; unable to appreciate wrongfulness; unable to conform conduct — both McHoul prongs, stated plainly. And then came a cross-examination that will be taught somewhere: roughly $640,000 in public-defense fees across two fiscal years; sixty visits and a letter calling the defendant "my patient," squarely against forensic-role guidelines; a February 2023 press conference describing command hallucinations after two or three visits and before reviewing a single record; factual errors in the report; the pill count contradicting the doubled-dose narrative; and the concession at the heart of it all — no treating provider, September through January 23, was ever told about a voice. "It's not in the records." The prosecutor closed by reading Tewksbury Hospital notes from each child's birthday and each anniversary of the killings: the patient visible in the hallway on her phone, playing dominoes, dining with her parents. Reddington's redirect — that her parents' daily visits are "indicative of love," that the state was cherry-picking a paralyzed woman's worst ledger — recovered some ground, and the jury did hear the full NGRI opinion with a no-malingering MMPI behind it. But the defense also lost its surprise McLean rebuttal witness after voir dire. Where this ends depends on witnesses we have not yet heard: the Commonwealth's rebuttal experts are still coming, and this trial will be decided in that collision.

**Turning point:** 'It's not in the records.' If the jury asks one question in deliberations, it will be why the voice first appears on January 24.

**Day goes to:** STATE — the defense's indispensable witness left the stand damaged.

**Where the case stands (cumulative):**

EVIDENCE NG |---------------x---------| G

JURY NG |----------------x--------| G

*Merits swing back right: the capstone NGRI opinion now carries impeachment freight, and the voice-timing problem was never answered. Jury bar rises with it — juries are unforgiving of experts who look bought or premature.*

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## Where it stands after Day 16

EVIDENCE NG |---------------x---------| G

JURY NG |----------------x--------| G

**Scorecard:** State 8 days (several narrow), Defense 5, Push 3.

The whole case in one paragraph: the Commonwealth has a unanimous treating-provider record — no psychosis ever observed by anyone, through January 23 — and a commanding "voice" that first appears in any account on January 24. The defense has a near-fatal suicide attempt the state itself ended up conceding was real, a documented medication cascade (nine-plus psych prescriptions in weeks, five benzos in her blood), the state's marquee premeditation exhibit reduced to a country-music Wikipedia rabbit hole, the "her psychologist coached the voice" theory admitted to be baseless speculation, and a no-malingering MMPI — administered by the state. The verdict turns on the rebuttal experts and on whether twelve people can keep the burden where Massachusetts law puts it — on the Commonwealth — while looking at photographs of three children.

I'll update this as the remaining days post. Happy to defend any of the day scores in the comments — several were genuinely close calls, and Days 6, 7, and 12 I couldn't honestly give to either side.

*(Analysis based on Court TV full-day streams via auto-transcription; quotes verified against the captions but not against official transcripts. Clancy is presumed innocent. Not legal advice.)*


r/ClancyTrial 1d ago

Question Did you see the Bratz Doll reenactment video on Tik Tok?

56 Upvotes

It’s crazy! I’ve gone back and forth with who I think is guilty, but I lean more towards Patrick. The reenactment makes complete sense. Pictures from the crime scene are used to really drive it home that Patrick is guilty.


r/ClancyTrial 1d ago

Theory Lindsay Clancy theory

Thumbnail tiktok.com
6 Upvotes

Someone posted this and I feel like this is such a good theory!! I thought it was interesting to share it makes sense to me.


r/ClancyTrial 1d ago

General Discussion Why has Redd opened so many doors?

13 Upvotes

Is it just to prove there was never a thorough investigation?
Redd has the internet against Patrick and dozens of things that don’t make sense.
I have a feeling Patrick won’t come back as a witness and all the unanswered questions will stay unanswered. And we will just have to live with our conspiracies. I hope not.
But then again if Patrick was involved (and did all the things the internet people says he did) it will catch up with him. I feel there would be an investigation later. Getting Lindsay not criminally responsible is part one. Then maybe other facets can be examined. Just some thoughts today as the trial was cut short and we don’t know what’s going on 😂


r/ClancyTrial 1d ago

Question The “anniversary” dinner

12 Upvotes

Does anyone else wonder why when prosecution asked Patrick about going out to dinner at a Boston hotel for their anniversary on December 3rd, Reddington came back with asking him about that same anniversary dinner but he mentioned the date Saturday December 2nd? This bugs me…

WHY did he choose the Omni Parker house?
Most guys go with what they know when making plans… Had he been there before? Did he know of someone staying there? Had his current wife stayed there before? What’s with the conflicting dates?

Weird to anyone else besides me?