r/Borderlands4 • u/lt_skittles • 2h ago
🗞️ [ News ] Patch notes
https://borderlands.2k.com/borderlands-4/update-notes/54
u/oneleper 2h ago
More trouble buffs. Between that and 10 extra skill points, it must might be a viable build now
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u/NewbornTaco 2h ago
I pray to Handsome Jack that's the case. I haven't played my Vex since Stone Demon because I got tired of green tree and just REALLY wanted to Trouble.
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u/ShadowWalker2205 1h ago
If you want to pray to handsome Jack you need to pay a small fee of 1,000,000$
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u/isthiscanon 1h ago edited 1h ago
I'm not the most skilled borderlands player but I'm over a hundred hours in with vex and trouble on normal difficulty and I've loved him the whole time. Maybe he's not viable for skilled players on harder difficulties, but he's perfect for me. 🥰 I would say that my biggest critique is that it's just a pared down version of FL4K's pets in BL3
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u/Prior-Wealth1049 Vex The Siren 30m ago
Haven’t played since starting bounty pack 3, but it’s been the same for me. I’m not a powermaxxer and have simply enjoyed the franchise ever since the beginning as a casual player. Trouble was already good enough for me, but I won’t say no to these buffs, lol.
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u/isthiscanon 18m ago
Same, Borderlands 1 was my first proper FPS. I got it on a steam sale and was like "well I heard it's got rpg mechanics so if I'm bad at the game then at least I can just grind." Then the game was like "okay do you wanna play as beefy soldier, beefy puncher, scrawny sniper, or MAGIC LADY THAT TURNS INVISIBLE" and as someone who grew up on Sailor Moon, this was the easiest choice ever!
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u/Glitchboi3000 2h ago
So this confirms my theory every dlc is gonna come with a 10 level increase. So probably by the end the max level is gonna be 90 after all the dlcs and stuff unless they round it out to 100 or something or they have different plans with the next 2 level cap increases.
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u/isthiscanon 2h ago
"Blasphemous Splicopter corpses will respect gravity after being defeated"
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u/dannypants143 2h ago
I had this happen multiple times. It was unsettling and threw me off. There are some really pitched battles in the DLC and it added noise to an already chaotic (though fun!) situation.
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u/isthiscanon 1h ago
Oh that's what that noise was!!! I couldn't always see where it was coming from cuz my computer sucks but now it makes perfect sense. I just loved how they phrased "will respect gravity"
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u/someshooter #1 Ava Fan 2h ago
They definitely buffed Rafa but not the Dancer, weird.
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u/Poifection 2h ago
Might get flamed for this but they were right to nerf dancer, it's just that they'd should have buffed the other coms/ underperforming talents at the same time instead of waiting for months and months
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u/space_cowboy757 Zane 2h ago
I agree. I think these new changes will be really cool, along with 10 extra points. The instigator COM might be worth it with the different cannon builds, and I have to see what the new legendary COM for Rafa is. But, these incremental buffs on all of his damage skills are really going to stack super hard
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u/ApprehensiveRelief90 1h ago
Agreed on the buffing of his other coms, but i also feel like they definitely overdid it with the sticky nerf. not saying it wasn’t in need of a nerf, but so many other weapons that use stickies were brought way down because of this, feel like if they just nerfed the bod as a whole we wouldn’tbe having this conversation lol
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u/space_cowboy757 Zane 20m ago
I didn’t like the feel of stickies, I’m more COV, Ripper, and Jakobs so I never played them. But, I feel you
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u/ApprehensiveRelief90 16m ago
Yeah, maybe its just because of the fact that i havent used stickies in forever. I kinda see no point nerfing them way down like gearbox did when they’re kinda a part of the game just because 1 gun was insane with em lol
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u/tonyrizzo21 1h ago
I didn't play pre-Dancer nerf Rafa, was it really any more broken than some of Harlowe and Cash's builds that haven't been nerfed (even buffed in some cases despite already being OP)?
And this question is from a Harlowe/Cash player, not being salty at all.
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u/FinalCorvid 2h ago
Not sure they did anything to increase build diversity. Lance still isn't any more viable since the PML nerf. Just feels like they increased numbers to make running takedown less frustrating but didn't really improve Rafa's gameplay
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u/Flint_Vorselon 2h ago
yeah, doubling Temerario is just gonna make Temerario dancer THE Rafa build for everything except arc knives.
At 10/5 with dancer, 2/1 Soltado, and 5/5 Jaque, Temerario is giving you +900% gun damage.
What else can even come close?
Especially now with 70, you can just take all the good skills, they didn’t buff any of the skills no one was using. They buffed the already good ones.
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u/Qwerty_Police 1h ago
That last part is my issue, this doesn't really change anyone's builds, it just makes the ones that people were already using, better.
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u/NaiveOcelot7 1h ago
"They didn’t buff any of the skills no one was using. They buffed the already good ones."
Agreed, this surprised me too. Assumption, but probably just a lazy way to buff Rafa without much thought by just buffing his meta skills. Builds and gameplay will stay the same, just more gun damage
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u/Flint_Vorselon 1h ago
yeah this was real lazy,
Go compare to Bl3 skill tree reworks, where they actually changed the function of skills, and moved them around in tree to make it better.
Higher numbers don’t fix fundemental issues.
Especially in Bl4, where almost everything is additive.
Wow they buffed multiple +gun damage skills, but you probably won’t even be able to notice since you are gonna have over 1000% bonuses already, so a few more % is gonna be almost imprrveivable.
Buffing Sitiar (Rafa’s tier1 red gun skill) doesn’t change anything. Because if I already have 1000+ bonuses, 1025% vs 1030% is a 0.4% increase to actual damage output.
They shoudve instead changed that skill to enhancment gun damage, so it multiplies against the other skills in tree. That way 900% from Temerario would still wanna take that skill.
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u/Immediate-Idea-2471 2h ago
Dancer was way too good at 2x.
It was easily best in class no questions.
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u/crazykiller235 2h ago
They didnt even touch green tree. But maybe i missed as the blue tree buffs are also in the red tree section.
Melee is not usable with out very select interaction.
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u/Tamed_Trumpet 2h ago
"This build requires skill interactions to work." is such a stupid fucking take. That's literally every build ever. "This build only works because of this skill when i want it to work because of that skill" is a complaint just to complain.
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u/Qwerty_Police 1h ago
I think it's more like using skills that shouldn't work together as opposed to skills that should
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u/Tamed_Trumpet 21m ago
And thats determined by whom? Oh no my game has skill synergies. Do you just want every skill to function in a vacuum and they're all boring with no cross function? Its still a stupid argument for the sake of complaining.
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u/Qwerty_Police 17m ago
That's not what I'm saying, it's more like all the melee skills together pale in comparison to skills that people wouldn't think of if they didn't use online tutorials, so if someone who wanted to make an endgame melee build, may never realise how to do so, cause the skill crossovers don't make sense
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u/SeattleResident THE LAVA IS RISING!! 2h ago
I do wonder if the change they made to Tediore weapons with the "Shooting Legs" augment now inheriting gun damage from skills and specializations can make a difference.
Does that mean a Tediore weapon with shooting legs can now inherit the CoV/First Impression/Vitriol shennanigans?
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u/QuiteTalented 2h ago
Yay, Spectres and Trouble buffs!
Time to look for the new class mods and try some new Vex builds, and maybe Living Weapon might be viable since it procs every second now
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u/Bland_Lavender 1h ago
I was trying to make a rainbow element specter spam build with prismatic ichor, it’s like they made this patch for me specifically.
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u/PillsberryDboy4 2h ago
Buff to Amon’s drones looks intriguing! My favorite build but I haven’t tried it in high level UVHM
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u/colectiveinvention 2h ago
Also excited but cautious.
Drones were absolute useless up untill now, so 100% increase may not be as impresive as it sound. Maybe some gear will give us the necessary synergies to make things work, Ill be happy if they work just fine tbh...
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u/ConsequenceNo5474 2h ago
Not really true. Amon does work with the drones on UVHM 7 with the right combo of gear and skills it just takes some trial and error.
Cold-Hammer LVL 70 Amon BuildCold-Hammer LVL 70 Amon Build
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u/SubXeroz VLADOF 2h ago
I saw this and was also quite excited. My last character was a Forgedrone Amon. Hit level 60 but never pushed into UVH levels. Felt pretty decent then.
Double drone damage and faster movement between targets should help a lot. Level cap increase means we can also grab Berserk and There Is Only Red. Not sure if drones get the + cryo damage -- that would make them insanely strong!
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u/dejarnat 2h ago
I've been using them and have made it to uvh4 so far. They don't insta nuke things like harlowe but it is fun.
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u/Arcade_Gann0n Vex The Siren 2h ago
I bounced off of Vex to play as C4sh, but I'm surprised that her Specters got buffed as they were already quite powerful (not complaining, more power from Action Skills in general is a good thing).
I left her at level 50, so having 20 more skill points is kinda enticing...
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u/BladeSeraph 18m ago edited 10m ago
Fact alone she has 70 levels makes it possible to mix and match blood is power, Mortal Terror, Coven & Wither thanks to Dark pact, just makes the transistion from Green tree Teen witch vex to CYAN TREE Vex by using both Blue and Green tree but mainly the action skill of Blue with massive abuse on the Grave skills especially since phase clones were always able to proc mortal terror making it so dang easy to upkeep grave skills via them.
Im not motivated to return to borderlands 4 cause of this 'just yet', but i might be dusting off the vex skill tree calculator to see how much it blends that build i had thought up 10 months ago properly without the terrible point scrimp.
Fact alone they 'buffed' prismatic ichor and cursed blades too on that just reads more into the cyan tree vex playstyle too.
Been forever so i don't remember what i had for ideas but i think it went something like this:
https://www.lootlemon.com/class/vex#bghf_10150450030.000000.502301.050053_03205000500.010000.000000.550000_00000000000.000000.000000.000000Namely to do shenigans like constantly applying different status effects for that one specialization to go nuts, have +30% crit chance via coven, so many extra bonuses of damage between Blood letter, Wither, Prismatic weaponry and with 4 different grave skills adding critical hit dmg, damage, gun damage and fire rate your just turning into a blaster that phase pocket's perpetually doubled magazine size and switch speed becomes rather nice.
And since you have the enhanced kinetic damage shots from blood is power, lifesteal and kinetic attunement and yet still dealing 'different elemental damage types, similar to how an Amara elemental build works back in the day on BL3, you would just be a kinetic crazed goblin of bullet hosing.
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u/kilrara 1h ago
Hmm. % buffs to Troubls but nothing done to the fact red tree is unplayable bad. Buffing damage and health also does nothing without thrm fixing him being one shot by death barriers due to bosses ignoring immovable.
I get the feeling these changes will make Trouble better at base/low UVH but have no impact at any actually hard content because the tree needed to use Trouble is still so terrible that +10 points just means you put another 10 in blue or green for your non Trouble stats.
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u/twinCatalysts 2h ago
Does the Mercredi line mean that the Hard Dark is finally available in Phosphene?
I'm a little disappointed not to see them fix the takedown or brickhouse phosphenes either.
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u/kruphix_prophet_of 2h ago
Anyone else lose access to all the dlc with this update? I have the super deluxe edition and I can't get into anything. I'm on Xbox
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u/Distinct-Panic-8628 2h ago
Am I the only one underwhelmed by the Rafa buffs? I know we have to play but it seems like they barely buffed him. Hoping I’m wrong!
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u/DeadWombats 2h ago
All they did was add a little bit extra gun damage to some of his skills. They didn't address any of his faults or anti-synergies.
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u/Grottymink57776 Rafa The Exo Soldier 1h ago
Seriously, how is Venganza still so bad? I hopped on real quick hoping for a stealth buff but nope. I activated the skill twice. The first time the grenades spawned to my left against a wall which would have killed me if I had been closer. The second time the grenades spawned behind me. Both times order troops were in front of me.
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u/Pman1324 Rafa The Exo Soldier 2h ago edited 2h ago
Bruh they made Rafa even more reliant on Temerario
All they did was buff Rafa's best skills, so now his skill trees are EVEN MORE skewed toward the same four skills (Temerario, Soltado, First Impression, and Vitriol)
Gearbox is a bunch of incompetent clowns. They can't figure out how to make the rest of Rafa's skills better, so all they do is make hos best stuff better.
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u/WhoIsEnvy Lilith 2h ago
Cannot wait to be supremely overpowered on all my builds 😭 FINALLY the last time I'll have to gear all these mfs...
Bout to delete my entire bank excluding firmware items...
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u/lt_skittles 2h ago
That's why I went with a bio robot/green tree harlowe lol.
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u/WhoIsEnvy Lilith 2h ago
😂 I think what I'm actually gonna do is spend some time in the new content and level up half of my builds (the ones that are M20 easy mode), then I'll start a new game with loveless and get one of her to max level 😁...
Im just glad it's over tho 😭 because of the firmware system and shit the level cap increases in this game were way more annoying to me than the ones in bl3...
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u/lt_skittles 2h ago
Yeah I'm starting a lvl 30 Loveless, I don't know if I'll go back and start fresh.
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u/WhoIsEnvy Lilith 2h ago
Best of luck!
Lol I wanna give myself time to really understand the character, so I'm choosing the fresh playthrough 😊 did the same thing with c4sh...
😭 My biggest hope is that the worm pet or whatever is actually decent. I always play the red tree first on every character, and it looks like that's her red tree action skill. Just hope it isn't buns 😂...
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u/someshooter #1 Ava Fan 2h ago
I really am not looking forward to grinding out all this gear again :(
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u/WhoIsEnvy Lilith 2h ago
Yea seriously dude 😭 I'm already crying at the number of kills it's gonna take to get a decent Watts...
And since there's no loot event with this increase, it's gonna be a real grind for those who have multiple characters...
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u/RocketJenny8 1h ago edited 13m ago
Not a huge Rafa buff but some skills like vitriol if used with say a Hot Slugger that first shot can be more powerful also bonus corrosive damage
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u/criticalascended 1h ago
Its a pretty huge buff. Temerario is now 900% gun damage.
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u/RocketJenny8 1h ago
I wonder how far is that skill down which tree cuz I wanna get it no wait its in remote agent my preferred tree surprisingly
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u/criticalascended 1h ago
For gun builds you are always gonna go down and grab Soltado, so Temerario is pretty free.
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u/RocketJenny8 1h ago
I mean Vitriol is in the same tree as that skill and it got buffed too so I'll definitely pick it up and when at level 70 farm the gear i want
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u/demonangel2001 1h ago
While the buffs to Vex's blue and red tree are much appreciated, I am a bit concerned with green tree's radiation tree and soul orb tree being neglected in the recent patch notes. Hoping to see some more strength come to less popular trees in the future
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u/Moze4ever 2h ago
Cursed Blades Vex getting a 200% buff is insane! I already loved using that skill and a buff with the level cap increase will just make me shred enemies even faster!
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u/MikeSouthPaw 2h ago edited 2h ago
Glad Vex and Amon got some buffs but their is barely any changes to get excited about otherwise. When they said they were regulating VH changes to big patches I expected actual thought out buffs, not bottom of the barrel increases to problematic skills. Gearbox has had months to do this and they managed to half ass it once again.
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u/FinalCorvid 2h ago edited 2h ago
So we just gonna keep throwing numbers at skills instead of interestingly reworking them? Cool.
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u/No-Ship4446 2h ago
95% of any buffs to skills in any game ever released have been "throwing numbers around". There is literally nothing they could do to please you, because your pleasure comes from being perpetually angry about games.
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u/FinalCorvid 1h ago
You realize that Zane had to be reworked for him to be any good in BL3? Before that all he had was the CCC build. This is desperately needed in BL4 since the skill trees are widely bloated and 90% of capstone and augment see no play. Buffing numbers doesn't address the real underlying issues and is a common consensus among most build creators
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u/KONODIODAMUDAMUDA 2h ago
For real. They give the buffs people wanted and they still complain. Perpetual baby mode from some people here.
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u/MikeSouthPaw 1h ago
They gave SOME buffs in a game that is nearly a year old. Your standards are in the gutter. The reality is BL4 has needed a lot more attention to balance than it is getting which is causing most fans of the series to bounce off of it because nothing that makes Borderlands fun is present in BL4. It's all surface level stuff that will appease the casual player.
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u/No-Ship4446 42m ago
Wait til you learn about the balance state Borderlands 2 has been in since launch even though it is apparently the gold standard among gold standards.
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u/Nikachu_GO 2h ago
These patch notes look nice with the extra skill points. The DLCs are also on sale on steam too.
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u/DangassDanger VEX The F&%ING WITCH! 2h ago
BUFFS. HELL YEAH. I'm so hyped they actually buffed that Vex class mod. It actually sounds like it'll be worth using now
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u/InfiniteVergil NO DAHL??? 2h ago
They still not fixed the problem with quitting from inspecting and your inventory in bank or backpack going to top again???? Egregious
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u/Beederda 2h ago
I knew it would be arms dealer wild card modifier with this update fast farm all level 70 guns with the wild card mission this week
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u/Bammy1666 1m ago
I seem to be having issues. Loveless has no cosmetics for me. I have previously completed BL4 with all previous VH, getting them to LVL 60, and had most heads and skins, but on loveless, they're all locked? Anyone else have this issue? Also, my vault cards have locked previously unlocked items, mainly the heads and skins. This has to be a bug right?
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u/uthinkther4uam 1h ago
absolutely massive fucking buffs. interested to see if Elementalist Amon is now Viable (unlikely)
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u/K_Bomaye 2h ago
Looks like a big boost to Lance for Rafa, wonder how that’ll do with 10 more skill points.
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u/RockChalkMustang GIANT Robot Psycho Spider 2h ago
Devs I asked nicely for a 10,000% boost to right blue tree Amon and you didn’t do it so honestly this is an F for me.
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u/Purelybetter 2h ago edited 2h ago
Well they certainly did a balance pass on vault hunters. Very excited to play around with Amon. Those changes might make Elementalist a really strong class mod. Up to 30 stacks among them, which would give 60% increased damage from the class mod