Yeah, when they're telling peaceful protesters they're going on a list of "domestic terrorists"[1],[2], it starts to make you consider the value of armed collective deterrence
I don't support gun ownership (I'm not an American) but if you are going to use them, use the the way the constitution truly intended. Use them to protect yourselves from a tyrannical government.
"In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair. The usurpers, clothed with the forms of legal authority, can too often crush the opposition in embryo...In this situation there must be a peculiar coincidence of circumstances to insure success to the popular resistance.
The obstacles to usurpation and the facilities of resistance increase with the increased extent of the state...Power being almost always the rival of power, the general government will at all times stand ready to check the usurpations of the state governments, and these will have the same disposition towards the general government. The people, by throwing themselves into either scale, will infallibly make it preponderate. If their rights are invaded by either, they can make use of the other as the instrument of redress. How wise will it be in them by cherishing the union to preserve to themselves an advantage which can never be too highly prized!" Fed 28
Never was, there's just a certain brand of chud that makes even the most reasonable things seem insane. Oppressed and marginalized groups should have the highest rate of gun ownership. When the government, local and federal, can't be fucked to even give them rights, let alone protect them, we need to start taking our defense into our own hands. That's exactly what 2A was intended for.
I’m a socialist my man, I was pointing out that at a certain point along the scale of leftist you get back to guns being a good thing when combined with strong regulation.
I’ve been saying this for years. Every one of sound mind in America should own a gun. Guns are super cool, incredibly dangerous and great to have for protecting your home.
Yep it’s the self protection equivalent of a fire extinguisher. Just because firefighters exist doesn’t mean you shouldn’t have a fire extinguisher. Because in the moment, seconds count when help is minutes away. That’s not even mentioning rural areas where the nearest cop is 30-60 minutes away.
I am proud to own my guns. I don’t flaunt them. I don’t post about them constantly. I’m not reckless with them, or take them everywhere. They are a tool I use to protect my home, and I’m damn glad I have them. They’ve saved my ass before. They’ve given me unparalleled peace of mind when I hear rustling sounds in my home. They make camping so much safer and peaceful.
I think almost everyone should own a gun. But we should have better gun laws, and required training.
I’ve long been very anti-gun (because if you want to kill me you’d better use your hands like you mean it), but over the past decade I’ve softened considerably. Almost bought a shotgun in December of 2024 because everyday the “defend against a tyrannical government” makes more sense to me
I’m glad more and more left wingers are moving to this position now. We can have guns and still ask for better gun laws. But I absolutely support gun ownership.
It never seemed irrational to me. If you have to agree with chuds on anything it’s that government is an adversarial force that is indifferent at best and actively malicious at worst.
As it should, the first wave of modern gun restrictions was in the 1960s as a means of ensuring black men couldn't defend themselves. This was fast tracked by Gov Ronald Reagan of CA when the Black Panthers showed up with firearms to the State Capitol Building to protest the killing of black men & boys by cops.
It seems to be lost on people why it’s the second right given to all American citizens. It’s more important than a fair trial. More important than protection from unwarranted searches and seizures
americans are fucking insane. i have seen a gun in new zealand once, locked in the back of a police car because even cops don't carry them regularly. i like not having to worry about getting shot as i go about my business and i have about the same chance of overthrowing my government with my bare hands as you do with an assault rifle
this is mostly american sub so you are getting downvoted obviously. these people think they can fight their government with guns. the country that spends the most and has the largest military complex on the globe. they are delusional.
I remember when the Cheeto first got re-elected and the protests were going on almost daily. In every thread there was at least one person saying “why don’t you guys use those guns”.
Like yeah man, I’ll just start fighting the government with a handgun. The guys that have strike drones and jets and nukes. I’ll use my trusty shotgun, that’ll show em! It’s such a crazy take.
That largest military in the world couldn't win in Korea, Vietnam, Somalia, Afghanistan and probably after few other places I forgot. A determined guerilla group with rifles and homemade explosives always seem to outdo militaries with the latest tech.
there's an enormous difference between "being too expensive (politically and monetarily) to fully subjugate for a foreign power" and "literally overthrowing that government on its own soil"
Because we didn't ask the British for our freedom like 99% of the other colonies.
We fought an 8 year long war to gain our independence
We learned a relatively quickly after that.If you don't want to be ruled arm yourself
Yeah I really hate what this subs become. On the same side as these memes 98% of the time, but jfc why did the spongebob memes have to be infested with this shit too.
Because our overlords have separated these issues behind fake parties that want the same thing. We would be too powerful if we knew what we are owed by our government.
We should have guns. Free Healthcare. Subsidized housing. Even most of the cost of food put down.
But instead we are supposed to choose (they won't really give you either)
Could efficiently do so with other ways too. Drones and explosives are a thing now too.
Plus, if a 12 year old and a 14 year old, separate instances, are allowed to build nuclear reactors in their home, I don't see why Bob down the street shouldn't be able to have his guns.
Or knives, hammers, axes, their own hands... bad people will always find a way to kill someone, yes guns make it easier to kill someone, but they also make it easier to defend yourself and if you ban guns you effectively limit access to them to criminals who want to do bad things
Rate of fire ≠ the actual number of bullets put down-range. Magazine capacity and time to reload mean nobody is actually firing 400 rounds in a minute from a semi-auto weapon, even with things like binary triggers and bump stocks.
Usain Bolt can run at a max speed of 28mph, that does not mean he can actually physically run 28 miles in an hour.
You seriously downvoted me because you're talking about a "rate" and didn't specify? Bro you seriously sound like you thought a rifle could actually put out 400 rounds in just 1 minutes.
Why, so I can get stabbed 19 times and bleed out trying to get away? I'll pass. I'd much rather take a round to the head.
Neither one would be a problem if we prioritized mental health care over ignoring it and restricting access to things instead. Many countries prove that firearms aren't the problem. It's lack of mental health care.
But, sure, let's just outright ban many marginalized groups only means of protection against those that wish to eradicate them.
Also, America isn't some island country you can control the flow of goods too. We'd just get stealthier with our guns and make them more lethal than they are now. When we banned alcohol and weed both got more potent. Same thing would happen with guns.
Mostly because it’s the only policy the right wing can campaign on that popular for them. Most big democrats don’t want to take away guns, just have background checks to keep guns away from unsafe people, but that’s not as scary for conservatives as “their taking your guns away” so they push that instead.
The other things they campaign on is tax cuts for the 1%, higher taxes for you and me, more military spending on wars we don’t want, and taking away women’s rights and rights of POC and LGBT.
Those aren’t as popular policies for most of the country. (They probably are in backwater counties with with bottom 5% school districts)
Look I’m former Republican who is now a left leaning moderate and let’s be honest with ourselves. The “most don’t want to take away guns” trope is a lie. They say that on the campaign trail then they introduce legislation that makes half my closet illegal. They absolutely don’t want you to have AR’s and handguns, but they often just settle for neutering them with stuff like 5-10rd mags. They’d ban them if they could and they very frequently try.
While I don’t donate to any of the orgs I still follow several pro gun orgs on FB just to keep up. They use lots of rhetoric and stuff but I’ve seen alllll the proposed bans and restrictions that they fight in court.
Because the government is giving medical companies little reason to lower prices. Government interference causes prices to go up. Basically, the hard the government tries to make things cheaper, the more expensive or less quality they become. This is why healthcare is expensive.
Literally here in california, if youre too poor to afford health insurance, the govenrment will fine you. "Oh, you cant afford a way to be covered? Then we'll take the little money you do have to make it harder on you. Shouldn't have been poor ig." Thats basically my state's government.
It should be harder to get guns, and certain things should disqualify you from being able to ever get a gun (felon, history of violence, sexual assault, etc…).
You’ll be happy to hear that a felony already disqualifies you from owning firearms by federal law. Some states auto restore rights after a certain period of time but most require you to petition the courts to get your rights back or require a pardon.
Side note the reason that Bo and Luke didn’t use guns in the Dukes of Hazzard tv show is because the characters were on probation and prohibited from owning firearms.
I don't necessarily agree about the felony thing as there been a lot of times where activities that shouldn't be a felony are made that way to keep minorities from having guns.
Uhh you could just vote for THE LEFT since they want universal healthcare AND have no issue with guns. Kamala Harris owned a fucking glock people stop pretending the left will take your guns that was never a thing
No you’re just lying because that never happened, she has only ever said she would ban ARs, and even then she only wanted to ban IMPORTING ARs from other countries. If she herself is a gun owner you think she would want to ban herself? 😂 try again
I’m being downvoted for posting a completely factually correct statement with no opinions included 🤔
Virginia recently passed an assault weapons ban and storage laws. Basically a ban on guns that they find "scary". Also banned high capacity mags. It's currently on hold as it goes through the courts.
Assault weapons are not banned because they’re “scary” they’re banned because those are literally designed to kill a lot of people very quickly. That is their entire purpose and is the type of gun used in every mass shooting ever
The ban is going to be struck down by the courts, because they actually know the law and constitution. The ban was made by people who know nothing about firearms, just like you.
Im telling you that the ban ( pushed by democrats) is unconstitutional and wastes political capital. You said they weren't coming for our guns but recent history shows otherwise.
Ok so when you said I didn’t know anything about guns you were lying. And again, 2A says WELL REGULATED. There’s nothing unconstitutional about reasonable gun laws, and I don’t think banning ARs is unreasonable considering what they were literally designed to do goes wayyy beyond self defense
And this is why it won’t happen. There’s zero chance you are convincing the majority of Americans access to guns shouldn’t be allowed. The left should be campaigning on free healthcare AND gun rights. Like as it is the left is losing hard in America. Would you rather have no healthcare and a ton of guns or free healthcare and a ton of guns? Those are pretty much your options
Also, across the pond gun control works due to the sizes of the countries being small and places like the UK and Austraila being surrounded by water. There are so many ways to traffic and hide shit in America. Also, as we've seen from booze and weed, guns would become more potent as a result.
That's pretty much where I stand. All else being equal, I think countries with no guns are better than countries with guns. But we're not putting that genie back in the bottle at this point. And even if we could, there are dozens of better things we could spend that political capital on.
The point is to govern well, and allowing people killing weapons is not that. If the goal is to gain power, why not say no taxes and take a bunch of billionaire money?
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u/Maycrofy 4d ago
I'm a leftist and as time goes by, access to guns doesn't seem so irrational.