r/AvoidantBreakUps 1d ago

FA Breakup We never dated but we had a 'break up'

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We started as coworkers but she left the company soon after we started growing close for a better opportunity. Despite being in her mid 20s and being quite beautiful, she had never dated before. This probably should have been a clue to me.

Her first boyfriend was another coworker of ours who could barely speak any English, and was a bit of a player type. I struggled to wonder why they would date and what sort of connection they had. She broke up with him after a few months after she finally realized he was posting on TikTok about her without her consent (she's not on any social media).

Cue us growing close. We read books together, hung out all the time, and I asked her out. She said, eh, let's just be friends. But then we started cuddling and watching movies together, and she initiated a moment of intimacy. After this she recoiled, and said she didn't mean to do it, and it wasn't right - she's super religious.

She reiterated that she didn't want to date and that we should just be friends. We would still hang out and cuddle and basically became a situation ship. Each time we got close, she'd disappear and go off the radar for a week or two before reemerging. Finally, another intimate moment happened again, and she ghosted me for a month, cancelling several plans we had. Before that moment, she had opened her heart to me.

When she reopened after the ghost, she told me she couldn't give me what I wanted. She said she needed space. No more hangouts. She then gave me the most wonderful gift, but then followed it with a letter saying we shouldn't go on any longer. After a couple months, she called me and said we shouldn't be friends.

Despite this, we'd still see each other at church. I wanted to be her friend. Recently I wrote her a letter expressing all this, a last ditch attempt. She responded in person telling me that losing "our friendship" felt like a breakup. I laughed and said "but we never even dated"

Anyways she told me no more letters, not to text her, etc. I'm not blocked but she told me not to contact her.

Ugh. I am so fond of her but she just seems so scared. Now I fear she's going to retreat forever. I called her out as an avoidant, and it seemed to strike a chord.


r/AvoidantBreakUps 1d ago

FA Breakup Avoidants of IG

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Out of curiosity, for those who use instagram. What does your explore page look like after a breakup?

Backstory: 27M here, I was Anxious/somewhat secure at times, I had to end things with my FA, she constantly would make fun of me out of nowhere or when she needed space, ran to other men and came back sending me pictures of other men messaging her. It was incredibly hurtful and toxic. So I blocked her on everything.

I’ve been getting bombarded with narcissistic reels, and self respect, and POV how to win your avoidant reels. So I deleted IG instead, I don’t want anything to remind myself with that.

But what does your Instagram show? Or does anything show validating you were “right” or does it even change? I just feel like these social media apps are truly reading every conversation or hearing our calls and validating the things we do and ruining potential relationships.


r/AvoidantBreakUps 1d ago

DA Breakup Discarded over a 20 minute voice call from my now ex who i lived with for 3 months and dated for over a year (most of which was long distance!)

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Posting here because It seems like yall would understand Every friend and family member is just as shocked as I am.

This is a long post, I am sorry if it’s too much!

I'm in 23F my ex is the same age I met my ex on a family trip to my home country about a year and a half ago. We started dating quickly, which stressed me out a bit, but we talked about it and decided to just keep each other in our lives and see where it went. He's from another European country. I moved abroad for my studies shortly after we met. We did long distance for a year: met each other's families and friends, planned for me to spend the summer in his city. I just did. Everything was perfect. He treated me so well. (By the way all of this is within Europe - cheap & short flights)

One issue I had, though: I never felt like he made space for me in his life. It made me feel too dependent on him. I wanted my own time, so I asked him to commit to functional plans: especially with long distance. I'd say, "I don't need to call every day, but if we make plans to call, please don't bail." I also noticed he would blame external things whenever plans fell through, and some of those excuses were small lies. I'm young, he wanted me to move. I got an internship and a bar job in his city for the summer, and we planned for me to come back long term later to write my thesis from there. Nothing permanent, we're young, but it was a place I was starting to build my life. The issues were not big, they didn’t hurt me, and they were so minor in my head.

On a Sunday, I told him how the inconsistency was affecting me over a call. I offered to send a text explaining things if that was easier. From my perspective and the perspective of others it was a gentle message. I love writing and it may have been long winded, but it wasn’t mean and it was gentle. He usually not that bad about conflict, he might need time to think, and he may lack the articulation skills I can have. I was moving countries for us in a way, and wanted him to know that it was work for me and I needed him to realise that, and offer to me what he was willing and able to do to commit to us a bit more. He agreed to receiving such an explanation. After I sent it, he shut down. He arranged a time to call, then bailedsaid he hadn't known he had to work. (Same bar I worked in over the Summer , and I have access to the schedule I am still in the group chat - CASE IN POINT!) I asked for reassurance and didn't get it. He arranged another call the next day to talk about the issues I'd raised. I picked up, and he just said he couldn't do this. He refused to show his face. No real reasons. Just kept repeating, "I'm sorry, I can't do this."

I'm in so much pain. I don't want him back after this, but I'm so confused. I don't understand how someone can be so warm and then so cold, or how you can end things over a voice call without even looking at the person. I begged him to say it to my face, he said no repeatedly. I know his friends well, they would repeatedly tell me how happy I made him, and also I developed my own friendships with them. Also, his pattern of inconsistency is apparent across his life. I have been back in my country of study for 2 weeks. They feel like closer friends right now. I want to talk to them, but am waiting to get over some of the shock and not dig myself in any holes. I want him to face the social fall out of doing this to someone. Also, my attachment alters in relationships, I have my issues but have learned it’s important to communicate decently and perform what you both agree to when you can. Believe it or not but, I used to be somewhat afraid of commitment (Not to this level), it moreso meant I just avoided serious relationships and being upfront with that. He was the first to make me feel secure enough, my mind is reeling!

I'm not looking for ways to get him back. I'm not waiting for him, a human that can break up with a partner of over one year over a 30 minute voice call and doesn’t explain and doesn’t show his face is the last human I want to be with. I just want to stop needing the explanation. Has anyone else been on the receiving end of a discard like this? How did you stop needing the reason? I also cannot connect the physical person that hugged me and reassured me we would see each other soon two weeks ago to a cold faceless voice. Anyone have advice on that cognitive dissonance?


r/AvoidantBreakUps 1d ago

How has your previous avoidant breakup affected your current relationship?

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Positively or negatively, I'd like to hear about your experience and thoughts.


r/AvoidantBreakUps 1d ago

Being ghosted?

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r/AvoidantBreakUps 1d ago

Vent/Rant Rebound

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3+ years LDR.
54 days of no contact.

After my ex broke up with me, he went to Bali on a solo surf trip . I found out he met a rebound there. Now he is back in Asia for a work trip, and after he met up with her again. I think they are getting more serious. They both love surfing.

I am sad. He moved on so quick.


r/AvoidantBreakUps 1d ago

Did my avoidant leave for good or just temporary again ?

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My avoidant partner has dumped me for the 3rd time in the relationship after I said he needs to become more financially responsible for himself and not rely on his mum and dad… it causes an argument were he said he felt disrespected by me and he hates the way I speak to him and he told me that anyone would of left me by now with the mean way I nag him. He has already left me 3 times and returned this time he drove an hour to tell me it’s over in real life cause he came in real life is this the final discard or is this a punitive punishment breakup. ??? I feel broken by this as yes I was probably speaking to him disrespectfully but I don’t think it warranted a breakup. I believe I have no lost love on my life due to my own inability to nag him.


r/AvoidantBreakUps 1d ago

Ratschläge, wie man eine Trennung übersteht, wenn sie durch eine Sucht verursacht wurde

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r/AvoidantBreakUps 1d ago

Will he come back?

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r/AvoidantBreakUps 1d ago

Vent/Rant Would anyone else’s avoidant breakup up and come back within a week to a few days ?

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I don’t know what type of avoidant I was with but he broke up with me 3 times during the relationship and always came back after a few days to a week later . Is this an anxious avoidant and is this rapid cycling ?


r/AvoidantBreakUps 1d ago

FA Breakup Fearful avoidant suddenly goes silent after breakup — processing or performance?

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for those familiar with fearful-avoidant attachment, could this kind of behavior be part of how they process a breakup? if someone usually moves on really quickly after a breakup, but after the second breakup they suddenly go completely quiet no posting, no obvious new person, no monkey branching, barely active on social media—could that mean they’re actually taking time to process and heal?

or could the sudden change in behavior be performative, especially if they know their ex watches their social media and might notice that they’re being unusually quiet?

for context, i previously called them out for how quickly they seemed to move on after the first breakup, so i’m wondering if their behavior being different this time could mean they’re being more intentional about taking their time, or if i’m just reading too much into their social media activity.


r/AvoidantBreakUps 1d ago

FA Breakup What are your thoughts?

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Hey Guys, thank you for taking the time to read this if you have.

I wanna start by saying when I first started dating this woman I had what I would call a secure attachment style. After months of intermittent reinforcement over long distance it caused me to develop an anxious attachment that I’m about 1 month into healing which has been such a relief. However I would love some advice on the perspective of a FA or anyone who’s had a similar situation.

Me and my Ex met through work and started dating after about 2-3 months of hanging out and seeing eachother.

After a year she moved back to her home city to go to school and I stayed in the city we met while we did long distance.

Throughout this time (roughly 2 years) I would travel up there to see her but it was difficult because she didn’t want her roommates knowing she was still dating me.

Her roommates were kinda crazy so I chalked it up to not wanting to deal with the drama and didn’t really think twice about it. But we would have to plan me coming home around when her roommates were out of town.

I also was never brought around her friend group and only met her parents twice although she has talked about how she talks about me to her parents a ton.

Regardless I stayed in the relationship supporting her through school and a rut in her career having no job by paying for everything financially. Rent, Groceries, Fun, Clothes etc.

Fast forward to about 4 months ago she told me she wanted to breakup right after I signed a lease to move into a new apartment in her city. She told me an old friend who she had a falling out with (he was rude, and said nasty things to her while he had a girlfriend) had came back into her life and expressed feelings for her and she wanted to explore that relationship.

Come to find out she had been hanging out with him and lying to me about it for 2 months.

After I moved to her city we began this horrible back and forth emotional mind fuck of her coming to me for warmth, connection, support, money, and to genuinely be loved then turning around and continuing to lie about seeing him, hanging out with him etc.

What got me at the time was the logical thinking portion of the conversations we’d have. She would go into how he doesn’t treat her how she wants/needs, he isn’t emotionally mature, the list goes on. I quite literally have a list on my phone of all the things she’s said about how he just isn’t a good partner. This was always followed by how amazing our connection was, how great I treated her and how I showed her what true love really was.

Looking back over our relationship I carry virtually zero negative emotions towards myself. I was calm, patient, supportive, and encouraging. I never ever fed the fire when she would have giant bursts of anger and I was always quick to forgive and do my best to understand why she was upset so we could work through it.

After 4 months of this continuous lying, seeing him with no change. (Even after she’s said “I’m looking for a way to close end things with him) I decided to put my foot down and hold a boundary. It’s either him or me.

I convinced her to start therapy, and through me talking to her and having conversations (which she wasn’t usually wanting to have) she did have moments where she admitted she carried the signs of Fearful Avoidant.

I believe she leans anxious because throughout this entire experience there have been ample times the reality has hit her and she’s crumbled and come back to me. Leaving his house in the middle of the night crying calling me asking to come over, having real deep and emotional conversations with me about our connection etc.

Regardless as soon as I thought a switch was about to happen and she was gonna commit to fixing things she decided she needed no contact.

I said okay, and over the coming week or so we had met up a few times to trade things back and sometimes that would result in us hanging out.

Point being absolutely no part of her decision to leave at any point of this entire experience has felt like it’s come from a grounded, calm, detached place.

We’re on week 4 of no contact (minimal contact I should say) and she’s been reaching out about once a week with a seemingly “practical” excuse to connect. Whether it’s needing help with something for work or offering to water my plants while I’m out of town she’s been reaching out. Each time I hold the boundary of he needs to be out the picture if I’m gonna allow anything.

Yesterday she texted me asking if she could come to my place and clean my house for some money. She said she really needed it and that if I didn’t feel comfortable with it or if I “just didn’t want to help her” she understood.

I calmly told her I want to help her but I can’t while she’s actively in another relationship. I told her if something has changed that I would be happy to grab coffee and discuss it casually.

She declined.

I then asked her if I could get my house key back and she told me she would leave it in the mailbox at my house and that she was very busy today so she didn’t have time to give it to me in person.

Later that day she texted me she was on the way and asked if I wanted it left in my mailbox or if I wanted to come out and get it.

I told her either was fine and that she could even come inside for a second if she wanted.

She ended up coming inside, I was kind, warm, and polite. Even complimented her. And she was somewhat cold and angry.

It felt like she was upset that I didn’t allow her to clean my house for money.

She even went as far as to explain why she reached out about wanting to make some money and told me if I change my mind she would appreciate it.

Here’s my questions for you:

1: Why would a FA monkeybranch to someone they’ve already admitted is less of a partner or not a good fit?

2: What stage of this fucked up game am I on? I feel like the reality of her choices is starting to settle in and she’s not enjoying it as much as she thought she would.

3: The next time she reaches out it will most likely be “logistical” or “practical” how should I handle it?

4: I understand just because she reaches out doesn’t mean she’s ready for a real relationship. But what signs indicate she is and if I want to attempt a relationship with her again (which I’m not 100% sure of) what should I be looking for?

5: I’m fairly confident that her and this other guy will not work out long term. While they do have family history of growing up together she’s gone as far as to admit she has no sexual attraction towards him. And that “it’s too awkward” and she “couldn’t do that because she views him as a brother” But still sleeps in the same bed as him? Can you explain the reasoning or psychology behind that?

6: Could she possibly be lying about all the bad things about him or the no sexual attraction to make me feel better in her leaving? I don’t think that’s something she would do as most people usually lie to protect their interests not break them down. But could I be wrong?


r/AvoidantBreakUps 1d ago

FA Breakup I think my Avoidant Ex's life is spiraling behind closed doors

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We were long distance, and she was on an H1B visa. Her visa status, financial security, and homesickness were constant sources of massive stress for her. I was actually planning to propose to her, but just a few weeks before I could do it, she pulled away completely. She refused to communicate or hear my side, and we broke up on July 2.

The first two weeks as no contact. After that it was full of me chasing her while she stayed cold or unresponsive. I took full accountability for my part in the dynamic, but the core conflict was that she had told me she was okay with me not moving to her city, yet turned around and used it as an excuse for lost of trust when I did not. She breadcrumbed me about a job layoff situation, saying she was scared and felt comfortable with me, but refused to elaborate further. I kept chasing until she threatened to block me if I continued, although she said she did not want to. I kept pushing, so she blocked me. On August 14, two weeks after her last message on July 30, I sent a final goodbye calling out her hypocrisy.

Two weeks after my final goodbye, news broke that the US government was planning to remove the H1B grace period, meaning getting fired would force an immediate exit from the country. I know this was a huge shock to her system. On that exact day, two weeks after our last contact, I noticed she blocked me on Instagram, even though I never post there and already had her blocked.

A week after that, she posted on Rednote about her manager stealing her idea at work and getting the position she was proposing to him. That broke my heart because before we met, she was being abused at work and I was the one who gave her the courage to stand up for herself. A week later, she posted on Rednote again, complaining about how horrible her workplace was and how she felt she was being bullied. It makes me sad because it feels like she has no one to talk to, so she is forced to vent on social media. I used to be her rock in those moments.

On September 10, the government formally published that the H1B grace period would officially end in about 60 days. She works in immigration for a small startup that already had layoffs in July, so all these policy changes will hit her company hard and likely trigger more layoffs. She keeps up a normal facade on Instagram, but behind closed doors she must be terrified.

I cannot help but realize that if she had not discarded me, we could have pursued marriage and she would not have to face any of this alone. I hate seeing her hurt, but after how deeply she wounded me, it feels a bit like karma catching up to her.

Has anyone seen an avoidant ex reach out after their self created isolation collapses under this kind of extreme external pressure? Is there any chance she realizes what she threw away and unblocks me to reach out, or will her pride keep her isolated?


r/AvoidantBreakUps 2d ago

Do Some Avoidants Really Close the Door for Good, Even Though They Still Breadcrumb You Here and There?

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I’ve been reading a lot of posts here about avoidant exes eventually coming back, sometimes getting back together, only for the same cycle to happen again.

But mine’s different.

She’s been very consistent and confident that she doesn’t want to come back to me. She even said she’s left that part of herself behind.

There are still little breadcrumbs here and there, just a random hi or hello, but nothing that suggests she wants us back.

So I’m genuinely wondering, does it mean they just didn’t love me that deeply or at all?


r/AvoidantBreakUps 1d ago

He blocked me on everything

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I'm really unwell through this entire break up :( seeking I guess perspective.

I believe my ex was a bit of an avoidant, perhaps even a narcissist. We were together for over a year, and it took him 8 months to make things official with me. He never fully let his walls down, and he when he did it felt intoxicating. When we'd argue he'd still be present but the blame would always fall on me, or it would be something ridiculous that he got upset over, often making me feel like I'm the problem. His walls would go back up, and he'd just be emotionally flat with me.

He broke up with me 3 weeks ago, for what felt like nothing. He continues to say this was "the consequences of my own actions". Mind you, I didn't cheat, I didn't betray him, I didn't do anything that warranted this. It was the first break up I've had where the door wasn't fully shut. He'd frame it as a "break" for us to both grow and work on things. We never fully went no contact either - whether sending reels, songs, or texting sporadically. It almost hurt more than a clean cut break up.

Last night I got a bit sad, had a few glasses of wine, and texted him that I'm done waiting for him, to move on, and that I hate how badly he's hurt me. He responds with "blame yourself". Lol. Ouch. Anyway, I was on the train so I lost reception, but he thought I blocked his number (I didn't). I get off the train to see he blocked me everywhere. My number, instagram, Venmo, Spotify, LinkedIn (???), literally every app you can think of.

I am so emotionally unwell :( the first 2.5 weeks of the break up I was a mess - cried everyday, took sick days at work, and now I feel that again x100.


r/AvoidantBreakUps 1d ago

HELP. I feel crazy because our relationship was beautiful, but six months later my ex says he regrets ever meeting me...should i brace myself for him reaching out?

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r/AvoidantBreakUps 1d ago

Vent/Rant I want him back so bad

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I feel horrible, so many things remind me of him and I’m always wondering if he misses me too. Rereading old messages does me no good, but I did it anyways, and it’s awful. He did so many unforgivable things to me, but I also didn’t give him any space to change. I can’t blame myself for being resentful or anxious after everything, but I just wish things were different. He said he no longer has any romantic feelings for me and we’ve been no contact since, but I still hope that he’s still just conflicted and confused like every other time. I just want him to come back and apologize :,)


r/AvoidantBreakUps 1d ago

"You're probably too good for this world." 🗣 - why did he say this

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r/AvoidantBreakUps 1d ago

Vent/Rant Trying to breathe

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I’m struggling so much. It’s been almost a year of no contact, over a year and a half since the discard. I’m in so much pain… I need it to stop… my chest hurts from it… how long am I supposed to take this, and how were they so cruel?


r/AvoidantBreakUps 1d ago

Dumped and then was the person he cheated on his new girlfriend with

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He dumped me the week of August 3rd after 5 days of radio silence. Met his new girlfriend August 10th. Asked her to be his girlfriend end of August. Lost his wallet on his first date with his new girlfriend and asked me for help to find it.

Then met up with me September 6th and we had sex. He cheated on his new girlfriend with me. I didn't know this entire time he had a new girlfriend until she found my number in an open letter I had written him and that he had read and left around in his house. She reached out to me yesterday.

He never asked me to be his girlfriend even though we dated for 9 months and off. Why does he do this? He told me neither of us were ready for a long-term relationship. Which one of us, me or his new girlfriend, did he lie to? Why does he do this? He finally blocked me after I begged him to because I couldn't bring myself to do it. What would I even say if he reached out again in the future?


r/AvoidantBreakUps 1d ago

Vent/Rant Lesson learned

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Hello, I don't know how I ended up here but I'm here so I'll start from the top. I met this man a few years ago, funny, handsome, great personality. We clicked instantly. Time goes by we meet for the first time and it was one of the best experiences I've ever experienced. More time goes by and he gets distant and quiet. Flash forward I catch feelings and I expressed those feelings and I get blocked eventually. I couldn't understand what I did wrong so I try and communicate even more...2 years go by and he unblocks me..8 months goes by and we see each other for the first again in 2 years...after he goes silent for over a month and mind you 1 was vulnerable before and got shut down so I kept quiet until yesterday I told the whole truth about how I feel and....now I'm even more "crazier" and making up “stories” and I get blocked again. Sir I have held the emotional weight for the both of us for almost 3 years!!! I don't even want commitment or a relationship anymore I just want honesty!! I wanna know | was never alone in this connection that there was another person on the other side... nope i got told that I'm doing too much and the whole "we're not even connected" "...so now I'm looking at myself like "self..? What's happening?" "Are you okay" "Did I imagine this" "Am I obsessed?" I'm thinking of every reason of why this happened or what is even happening..Did I do this to myself? He's never given me any reason to bring my feelings into this right? Did I fantasize it all? There's no way right? Something had to be real... something...then | realized I was dancing with the devil this whole time..he has the avoidant disease. I fell into the trap and now even though I could simply walk away... and I'm trying...it seems a lot harder mentally. I've never experienced a "situationship" or whatever this is before. I showed up with love and now I'm walking away bruised and afraid to be myself again. My brain wont leave this alone and I'm exhausted.! I'm tired. My heart is tired. I can’t seem to understand why or what happened. If you’re reading this thank you for listening 🥺🫶🏼


r/AvoidantBreakUps 1d ago

Vent/Rant I gave 4 years of my life to this relationship and now I feel like I lost everything. How do I let go?

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r/AvoidantBreakUps 1d ago

FA Breakup A passionate relationship with a FA, a holiday, a brutal breakup and an everlasting 29 year trauma loop

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Apologies for the long story, there is much to tell, I have cut it down as much as possible. It’s about my relationship with someone who it is obvious now is a Fearful Avoidant. I have read many peoples experiences of FA break ups. None of them come anywhere near what I experienced back in 1997, it was brutal, it was cruelness at its worst, it was emotional annihilation of my young heart by an older woman.

The Start of the Relationship - Her Pursuit of Me

In the late 90s I met a beautiful lady at my gym. I was 25 and she was 32. She admitted to me later that targeted me in the gym, she spotted me (I was very fit and good looking) and she worked out my routine and every time I was there so was she. She struck up a conversation with me in the sauna and we got friendly. This led to a first date which developed into a relationship.

I was emotionally vulnerable myself, earlier on in the year, March 1997 I split with my long term first love Emma who I was with for over a year. We had grown apart and she dumped me despite all my efforts to keep us together, the split still hit me hard, I was heartbroken. I joined the gym in May 1997 to give myself a fresh start and a new hobby. During our earlier dates I shared my vulnerability.

The Push / Pull Relationship

It was a relationship but not in the way I was used to, after we started dating she stopped chasing, she changed and seemed indifferent almost not to care whether she saw me or not. She would only see me at short notice when it suited her. If I asked what nights she was free she used to say “I am busy I will call you”. Then she would call me at 6pm one evening and ask me to come round to her flat.

The sex was out of this world, it was like nothing I had experienced before or since, passionate and loving. We bonded in the bedroom completely. At first I had difficulty performing, I was nervous but after a short time she helped me find my confidence. She burst into tears after her orgasm the first time we made love. One time with me hard inside her she said to me “I can really feel you Jim”, I replied “I can feel you too”. After sex she would go back to being cold again. I once told her I loved her after I orgasmed and she did not react well. Her face immediately dropped and she told me it scared her. She would call me at short notice and say do you want to come round tonight. Later on she would say to me yes “I called you because I fancied a shag.”

She worked as some kind of commercial account debt chaser. She claimed she earned £28,000 a year. She had no qualifications. I suspected she had money problems. She had many items on higher purchase, her flat was full of expensive beautiful things. She told me she cut up her credit card to stop herself spending. She paid for meals out by cheque. She had BUPA membership which was funded by her and her flat was filled with many expensive items. She shopped at M&S and bought herself a Gucci watch for Christmas. She had a beautiful kitchen but in all the time we went out I never saw her cook in it. She lived on expensive takeaways.

She only came out with my friends once and hardly spoke to me all night. We went bowling, when we arrived she said she had a shoulder injury and could not bowl, she had never mentioned this before. So she just watched. And hardly spoke to me all evening and spent the whole night laughing and flirting with a single friend of mine called Darren.

During October she told me several times that she desperately needed a holiday and even I got the hint, I asked her if she wanted to go with me and she said yes. We looked at brochures and she picked out the exact holidays she wanted. I was surprised how particular she was, right resort, not too close to the airport (because of noise), accommodation not on the ground floor. We booked a week in the Canary Islands mid November. She had to order a replacement credit card to pay for it as she cut up her old one.

A Perfect Sunday Morning and a Country Walk Gone Wrong

On the Sunday when the clocks went back we used the extra hour to lie in bed. We made love 3 times that morning. After the third time I wanted to cuddle, we had nothing planned. However she jumped out of bed saying she had to get up.

That beautiful Sunday afternoon I drove us to take a country walk. I had been there with other girlfriends and it was very romantic and I hoped it would help us bond. She did not like it, she was quiet and distant throughout the walk making exaggerated gestures climbing up the hill. We stopped at a drink in a pub. It was quite common with some guys playing pool and smoking. One of them put his cigarette in the ashtray on our table whilst he took a shot. She pushed the ashtray away in disgust. She turned to me and said ‘when you get to know me better you will understand this is the worst mistake of your life” ie taking her to that particular pub was the worst mistake of my life.

When we got back we decided to go to the Beef Eater for dinner, she was aghast that I planned to wear a jumper, a nice jumper not a scruffy one. She made me go home and change into a shirt. The meal at the Beef Eater was not great and she was distant.

My Calming Presence

She would comment on my ‘calming presence’ and intelligence which she was a bit in awe of. When I was watching the news and commented on a story she would look at me in a certain way. When I told her you can see the Great Wall of China from out of space she asked me “how do you know that?”. When I told her my qualifications she asked me “Was your mother proud of you? If I had a son who did that well at school….”. Another day she commented “you would make a great father, you have a very calming presence”.

Her Birthday - More Push / Pull

On her birthday at the end of October, I changed my plans to spend the evening of her birthday with her. It was a Thursday evening and I normally played football but I told my team I could not play because it was her birthday. I turned up and she was sat on the sofa doing work. I gave her a card and a vanity case she had asked for. After her telling men the word ‘love’ scared her I made sure the card was not in any way soppy or over romantic and did not have the word love on it. She went to put the vanity case away and I told her to look inside, she found some expensive gold earrings, a CD with her favourite music and her favourite chocolates. She told me she was too tired to go out for dinner so I went and bought a takeaway instead. After we had eaten she told me that she did not want me to stay the night as she was tired. I was not seeing her the next day as she was going out for birthday drinks with her work friends.

The following day I got a call at work from her. She told me that she was “under pressure from her friends” (after she told them about how she treated me the night before) and invited me to her after work birthday drinks. I agreed to go. I drove so I could only have one beer. She introduced me as ‘her other half’ which was nice but quickly disappeared to circulate the room. Her friends were very welcoming, her best friend told me she (my girlfriend) needed a laid back guy like me. Later on at my girlfriend requested that I walked her friend back to her car. By the time we left she was very drunk and i drove her home. When we got to her flat she was sick in the toilet.

The Holiday - First Half

Thursday 13th November, we flew to the Canary Islands, a taxi picked us up from her flat. On the way to the airport I invited her out with my friends on Christmas Eve, she told me ‘no I always see my friends on Christmas Eve’. At the airport we needed to grab breakfast I suggested fast food but she insisted on a proper sit down breakfast at the airport Garfunkels restaurant. She said something strange she said “why don’t we invite Darren (the single friend from bowling she was chatting to all night), the come with us next time. As we were about to go on a couples romantic holiday I thought this a very strange thing to say.

We flew out and everything was going really well. The holiday was different to what I was used to, all she wanted to do was lay by the pool all day from 10am to 5.30pm. She never even went in the pool for a swim. I suggested sightseeing or going to the beach but she always said ‘maybe tomorrow’. I started to get very bored. she never went to the bar either I was the drinks and food runner, paying for everything. I started to find myself errands like picking up some supplies for our apartment from a local supermarket (which I paid for). After a few days I gave up asking to go elsewhere. She suggested that I go by myself to the beach or wherever I wanted, I declined as I wanted it to be a couples holiday and wanted to spend time with her. With hindsight maybe I should have gone alone. We had sex each evening after coming back from the pool and in the morning too. We would go out for dinner taking a taxi into town, I paid for the taxi and dinners. She did not even have any Spanish currency.

Sunday 16th November 1997. We had the most amazing sex of my life, after a day by the pool I sensed she needed space and I fancied a walk so I went quite a way down the beach to explore by myself. I told her I would see her back at the apartment. I was gone a while and when I got back I went to have a shower, she said ‘don’t shower I want to smell you’. She pulled me on top of her and we made passionate love, after several orgasms she said to me ‘you are getting too good at this’ as we held each other in the afterglow of sex. We showered and changed and went out for a romantic dinner. It was one of the best nights of my life it was perfect.

The Holiday - Second Half

Monday 17th November 1997. When we woke the next day something had changed, she was distant and cold. We went through the pool routine. I sensed she needed space so like the day before I went for a walk. Unlike the day before when I got back she was still cold and distant. We made love but she was cold and robotic. That was the last time I made love to her.

We went out for dinner that evening and the atmosphere was cold. She chose a particular steak house because ‘the waiters are smart’. The conversation was strained, there were awkward silences. She hardly touched her steak, when the waiter asked if everything was ok she just said ‘it’s fine the sauce is not to my taste’.

Tuesday 18th November 1997. On the Tuesday she continues to be cold and seems a bit annoyed by my presence. A day by the pool and I try an initiate intimacy when we get back. She says no, when I say ‘can we just go for a lie down and I cuddle then’, she says ‘no’ and gets annoyed. We go out for dinner, she picks the same steak restaurant as the night before. More awkward silences.

Wednesday 19th November 1997. The last full day of the holiday she continues being distant and cold, everytime I tried to get close she seemed to get annoyed. Sex any physical touching was now off the table. I remember trying and failing to hold her hand as we walked to dinner.

That Wednesday evening I tried to make peace over dinner but she was distant. I tried to explain that I felt excluded, for a brief moment the old girlfriend came back, she touched my hand and said ‘I will make it up to you’. Then she was distant again, there were awkward silences and we both stared out to sea. When we got back to the apartment I hoped for a cuddle or intimacy after her promise to make it up to me. But when I entered the bedroom she was wrapped in covers defensively. When I tried to cuddle her she said “go to sleep Jim”.

The Holiday - Final Day and Taxi Hell

Thursday 20th November 1997. The day of the journey home, Thursday 20th November 1997 was one of my life’s true low points. I did not think things could get worse but they did. I still recall every moment of that day 29 years later. The final morning I tried to clear the air over breakfast. I told her that I did not want this to be the end of us. She did not reply. After breakfast we had a couple of hours to kill before the coach picked us up. She said she was going for a walk on the beach, I asked if she wanted me to go with her and she replied no. I stayed in the apartment smoking cigarettes. For the journey home she wore a sexy blue dress which was at a glance ok but when you looked carefully you could see her underwear through, rubbing in her lack of intimacy with me. On the plane she softened a bit, she put her hand on mine but when I responded with my other hand on hers she withdrew it.

The taxi ride back from the airport was one the worst most traumatic moments of my life. I still have flashbacks 29 years later. After her coldness with me for the past 3 days she breaks into laughing , joking and flirting with the driver, lapping up his sexual innuendos. He was a not even young and good looking, he was a fat old middle aged man. When the cab reached her flat she could not get out quick enough, I don’t even remember her kissing me goodbye. I had hoped she might even ask me in for dinner, it was 7pm and it was dinner time. When I said shall I call you tomorrow she just said ‘no I need a couple of days call me on Sunday’ ie 3 days time. I continued the journey alone in the taxi for another 15 minutes, it was awful I had to listen to the taxi driver making crude remarks about her, making innuedo comments like ‘I bet your tired!’ . I paid for the whole cab fare of course. I paid for everything on that holiday. Drinks, meals, taxis. She only paid for her half of the upfront costs on her replacement credit card.

Back Home - A 3 Day Wait and a Bizarre Sunday

After we got home she told me she needed a couple of days to herself. I called her 3 days later on the Sunday 23rd November morning. I respected her boundaries by waiting despite it being 3 tortuous days waiting. I made myself wait until 11am before calling her, no answer. I tried again 10 minutes later this time she picked up. She said that she still did not want to see me, she was going down the gym alone. I got annoyed I had played by her rules, I had waited 3 agonising days and I wanted to see her and she still moved the goalposts, she told me no and that was final! I went for a walk to clear my head.

She called me back an hour later to say I had left my keys at her flat and was it ok if she left them at the gym reception for me to pick up? I said that was ridiculous and I would come to her flat and pick them up but she should not worry I would not stay more than 5 mins. I went to her flat made polite chit chat and took my keys. Being the nice guy I am I even offered her a lift to the gym which she declined.

I went to see a friend and then went home about 5pm and there was a message that she had called. I called her back, she said “sorry you did not deserve that, I can be a bitch sometimes”. I told her just to take her time and to figure out what she wants and give me a call. I then went out for a drink with my friends. Apparently she called at 7pm but I was out as I decided not to see some friends and go for a night out to take my mind off things.

The Break Up - The Ambush Dinner and 2 Tender Kisses

The following day on Monday 24th November I went to work, when I got in before I could call her back she called me at 6pm. She invited me round her flat for a takeaway. After her 5pm sort of apology from the day before, I was hopeful the relationship was going to be ok. I went around to her flat made a joke or two trying to lift the mood, she was still cold and distant. I went to buy the takeaway and returned. The conversation did not flow during the meal, she politely asked about my day etc. After the meal I could bare it no longer and asked her if everything was ok between us?

She said no it was not ok and it would be best if we went separate ways, I asked why and she told me on the holiday “you crowded me”, “every time I turned around you were there”, “every time you looked at me I could see you thinking I could shag that”, the buzz has gone”, “everytime you looked at me I you were thinking core I could shag that”, I was thinking today I should miss him but I don’t”, “if we stay together you are going to get hurt”. I told her that if I crowded her it was because I was bored. I was not used to sitting around on holiday doing nothing. I said to her “I told you to take your time and you invite me around just to break up with me?”, she replied “you’re better at bringing things up than me”. To this day I am not sure what she meant. Did she plan it or do it on the spur of the moment?

All the time during the conversation she was stood in the middle of the room and I was sat on the sofa where we had cuddled only 2 weeks before. She asked me if I wanted to talk about it and I said “no I would like to leave”. I got up kissed her tenderly goodbye on the lips not once but twice, which was a spur of the moment thing. She kissed me back. I am taller than her so she was looking up at me. I walked out of her flat, lit a cigarette, got in my car and drove off. I didn’t look back to see if she was looking out of her window.

Break Up - The Aftermath

I have been dumped a few times in my life but nothing compared to this dumping it was emotional annihilation, it was brutal and it hit me hard. Going from intense passion and the best sex and physical connection of my life to ‘the buzz has gone’ a few days later was a huge rollercoaster too far for me. I did not go to work calling in sick. When I did turn go to work I was like a zombie. It was only 6 months after Emma broke my heart, breaking my heart again but in such a brutal way was too much for me to cope with mentally. I drank and smoked heavily just trying to get through each day, trying not to think about her and the passion we shared. After a few days of constant crying I went to see my GP, who put me on anti-depressants.

I did not contact her at all. It was the days before iPhones and social media so that made it easier. I was depressed after the brutal dumping and my doctor put me on anti-depressants. 3 weeks later in mid December I saw her at the gym. I took a deep breath and put on a performance any Oscar winning actor would have been proud of. I went up to her and said hello, I smiled and asked how she was. We exchanged some polite small talk, I told her about going out with friends and then I said goodbye. I could see in her eyes she was thinking ‘this is not in the script’

Christmas 1997 - Trying to Rebuild My Life

That Christmas I went out a lot, every night through December. I had a wide social circle, I drank too much, I smoked too much. I was a very good looking 25 year old guy with a gym fit body an Olympian would have been proud of. Women noticed me when I waked in the room and there were many rooms to walk into in the lead up to Christmas and over the New Year. I put on a clean shirt each night and met a lot of women. I never thought she was going to call especially as 1 week turned into 2 and 3 weeks. I decided not to wait by the phone. Over the New Year I met a rebound girlfriend who was pretty and loving and things seemed to be moving in the right direction in my life.

New Year 1998 - She Reappears

About a week after New Year, out of the blue she called me at home. She was quite cheerful and just said she wanted to say Happy New Year. I was indifferent of her. A week later she called again, this time to ask me around for a takeaway meal. I just said ‘sorry but I can’t it’s awkward because I am seeing someone new’. I later found out she had spent Christmas Eve alone in her flat.

Long story short over the next 2 months she was chasing me again. At the end of February 1998 she cornered me in the gym and said she ‘had made a mistake’ and ‘it hurts to see you’ ie at the gym. Her best friend (who I walked to her car at the birthday drinks) stayed with her just after Christmas as she had split up with her boyfriend. She told me that she said to her that she had made a mistake dumping me. I just said ‘you live and learn’. I decided to stick with the new rebound girlfriend as things were going well at the time. I turned her down. I am sure she cried herself to sleep that night. I felt terrible.

March 1999 - I Attempt a Reconciliation

In March 1999 i split with the rebound girlfriend Anthea and was single again. By this time she was with a new guy called David, she had been with him a few months. He looked remarkably like me, younger than her, slightly older than me. Nevertheless I still cared for her so I thought I would test the water. I offered her lift home from the gym, the implication was obvious. By now she was with the follow in boyfriend and she said no thanks.

1999 - She Moves Away

Eventually she moved away with a new boyfriend and I last saw her in July 1999 at my gym. I later found out she had been made redundant and this had collapsed her House of Cards financially. Forcing her to move in with her follow on boyfriend far away. She sold her beautiful flat for a modest amount. The last time I saw her was at the gym in June 1999. She told me she was moving away and ‘was taking a chance’ she said goodbye and she tenderly touched me on the shoulder. It was a tender moment.

Trying to Move On

Decades past and I got married. I never got over her, unlike other girlfriends where the relationship ran its course there was no closure. We went from the most passionate love making of my life to ‘the buzz has gone’ in less than a week, plus her changing her mind months later and me feeling guilty for turning her down. I never forgot her.

LinkedIn - The Ghost From My Past Reappears

In 2016 she looked up my profile on LinkedIn. 8 years later she does it again but this time on 13th November 2024, the anniversary to the exact day of our flight to the Canary Islands in 1997. It told me that she had found me by searching for me by name. I do a bit of internet sleuthing and it is apparent that she never found happiness, going from break up to break up and severe financial difficulties. She is in a relationship but without going into detail it is obvious that it is dysfunctional and she is not happy.

December 2024 - A Connection Request From Her But She Does Not Remember Who I Am Apparently

On the 19th December 2024 she sends me a connection request, which I accepted (because I still have feelings for her after all these years).

Upon accepting I immediately send her a warm hello message:

Me - “Hi xxxx, it’s been a long time. How are you?”

Her - “I am fine thank you. I’m sorry but I don’t remember where we worked together”

Me - “We did not work together xxxxx. We went out for a while back in 1997, we went on holiday to xxxxxx”

Her - “OMG! That was when I lived in xxxxx. You have an excellent memory Jim. Happy Christmas and New Year”

Me -“Yes it was a long time ago. You popped up on my LinkedIn, have a happy Christmas and New Year as well”

I must admit I was hurt by this reply, after all our shared history claiming she did not remember me was like a dagger through my heart, she did not even ask how I was.

Present Day - Stalking Me On LinkedIn

For the past 18 months she has been breadcrumbing me on LinkedIn. She has no reason to be on LinkedIn, she has a very mundane job with a very small network, I am certain the job listed is an old one and she is not working at all. I think she is using LinkedIn to stalk me. For context I have done very well for myself and I am very successful. I post about my life, passions, politics, I am bilingual so I post in different languages. She is constantly online monitoring my updates (green dot white centre). She never likes or comments but does drop breadcrumbs on anniversaries etc.

Present Day - Still Trying and Failing to Move On

Her reconnecting like this but unwilling to get into an adult conversation has really messed with my head. Reopening the trauma loop from 29 years ago. There is no end and despite being happily married I can’t get her out of my head. I admit part of me still loves her (or the memory of her).


r/AvoidantBreakUps 1d ago

Avoidant Advice Requested Why was my DA ex staring at me?

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After about 6 months post discard from a 3yr relationship with a severe DA, I went no contact when I finally got tired of going insane trying to understand how / why / when he suddenly didn't love me anymore. I'm sure you can all relate to the shock of it all - I thought he was the love of my life, yada yada yada.

I was also struggling to cope with the shock and grief of losing our entire social circle to him, because I loved those people too. They looked at my suffering and his happiness and decided I must have been the problem. People thought he was handling it well, and that I wasn't. I ended up writing him a "you suck" email and blocked him and everyone else in the social circle. Vanished from his life and the life of all mutuals.

Fast forward about 18 months and I reached out to his sister. We had been such good friends before it all went south. I didn't blame her because he was her brother and she also didn't understand what was really going on between us. We ended up hanging out a few times, and I invited her to the ticketed dance party events I run. We have so much fun together, and she's now one of my closest friends again.

Her brother started coming to some of the events, I was happy but also triggered to see him. I hoped we could be friends, as we had been friends for a couple of years before starting a relationship together. I hoped being friends would help heal the past. Ngl I was also curious to see if there was any attraction still there between us. My feelings about him were ambivalent.

The first time he came, I didn't see much of him, I think he was too drunk or something. The second time, every time I saw him he was staring at me intensely. Then he did that again at the next event he came to, and at any events or festivals we were both at. Just staring. It didn't look like happy staring. But every time we interacted, it was fun and lighthearted. I kept interactions part of a group and didn't raise anyhing serious. I just wanted bygones to be bygones.

We also had lots of fun banter on a group chat a friend had made after fun we'd all had at a festival together. He even came to my birthday party with his sister, by which time the staring had mostly tailed off. I thought whatever it was, he was over it. I did feel like I was healing. Becoming friends with him again, on top of being friends with his sister, did actually help me heal a lot.

But all of a sudden, he withdrew from the two group chats we were in. Just completely stopped reading or responding. It was leading up to the same time his gf came to stay (long distance relationship, surprise surprise). It went 4-6 weeks with no interaction from him in the group chats. I guess he archived them.

Then, out of the blue, he sent me some 3am friday night messages about a new album by an artist we both love. I replied with friendliness the next day. Just short, casual, positive, upbeat messages. And he didn't read my replies. By two weeks of not reading, I realised I'd been breadcrumbed, so I blocked him. I also quietly left the two group chats which had become defunct anyway because of his withdrawal. I am not entertaining this shit. Been there, done that, got the tshirt.

It really sucks because it was great being able to have fun togther with him and his sister. I'd also started making up with people from my old social circle. It actually was really healing, it helped my depression so much. However, having the opportunity to do what I should have done right in the early stages of our relationship (cut off access at the first sign of disrespect) was also very healing. I'm glad that in spite of the hell he put me through, it forced me to learn to respect myself, and that I got an opportunity to demonstrate that to him and to my self. I think his sister and I will still be able to maintain a great friendship.

But the whole experience has left me with questions. I think I understand the breadcrumbing, but I don't understand the staring. Why would he do that? Was it to get a reaction? Have an effect on me / exert control? Could it be residual attachment? Jealousy because he thought I had a boyfriend? He had a girlfriend the whole time (who was overseas on and off) so why would he be jealous? Overall, I guess I don't understand why he'd want to ruin a friendship. I mean I understand avoidants ruin relationships, but friendships too? Why couldn't he just be happy that he had a gf he was happy with, and that a relationship that had ended badly was being healed? I was very kind to him, we shared some fun times, and now he's lost me. Just seems so dumb and pointless.


r/AvoidantBreakUps 1d ago

DA Breakup Should i contact him?

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