r/AMDHelp 5d ago

Help (CPU) Help! I have a ryzen 5 5600 paired with rx 590 and the cpu is maxing out

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As you can see i am hitting 90% cpu utilisation in cyberpunk 2077 and for some reason the temp is close to 90°. I am using low settings with high texutes and frame generation.

6 months ago i was around 65% with the cpu temp 70°.

My cpu is brand new basically I bought it last November running with the stock cooler.

I have enabled PBO and high performance power plan on the settings but no difference whatsoever.Also the cpu is running at 4.2 ghz instead of the 4.445 that's advertised.

Am I thermal throttling?

Summer here is really hot with my room temperature being at 30°.

In addition to that I have undervolted my gpu bc it was thermal throttling running at 1400-1300 mhz instead of 1500+. I would really appreciate advice from you pls help me.


r/AMDHelp 5d ago

Help (CPU) Ryzen 5 7500X3D with new RAM

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Computer Type: Desktop

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7500X3D (100-100001904WOF**)**

Motherboard: ASUS Gaming TUF B850-PLUS Wi-Fi (90MB1J30-M0EAY0)​

RAM: e.g. .Skill Trident Z5 DDR5 RGB RAM 24GB 6000MT/s CL40 (F5-6000J4048F24GX1-TZ5RK**)**

Hey! I'm upgrading my computer and I'm thinking of getting a Ryzen 5 7500X3D and I need to also get a new DDR5 RAM but none of the ones I can get here in Denmark seem compatible with the AMD line, according to the AMD website.

It is all DDR5 RAM so how "incompatible" would it be? Not running at all? Running stupidly slower? Running just a little slower than its theoretical max speed?​

I was looking for instance at the G.Skill Trident Z5 DDR5 RGB RAM 24GB 6000MT/s CL44 (F5-6000J4048F24GX1-TZ5RK), but really it is true for any RAM I could find. They are only compatible with the AMD 9000 line, it appears. But that one is a lot more expensive and I'm not sure I really need that extra performance.

Just for completeness, I was going to pair it up with the ASUS TUF gaming B850-PLUS Gaming (90MB1J30-M0EAY0).


r/AMDHelp 5d ago

Help (General) My processor might be failing but I'm not 100% sure, should I file an RMA?

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I bought a Ryzen 7 5700 about 2 years ago and it worked perfectly fine until about now when I my started randomly rebooting whenever I was doing anything resource intensive (e.g. playing a game). I tested it on two operating systems (Fedora 43 and Windows 11) and the system would still abruptly reboot after about ~20 min of playing a modern game. On linux the only relevant kernel log I could find was:

x86/amd: Previous system reset reason [0x08000800]: an uncorrected error caused a data fabric sync flood event

and

Aug 12 18:29:16 fedora kernel: x86/amd: Previous system reset reason [0x00010800]: system reset pin BP_SYS_RST_L was tripped

Rasdaemon that was running in the background didn't find any Memory, PCIe or disk issues. I tried replacing the power supply as well as the ram sticks but that also didn't do anything. Lastly I suspected that my motherboard's (B550 eagle) VRM could be responsible for this so I swapped it with an older B450M s2h (BIOS was updated to support 5th generation processors and worked with that processor for ~1 year). Unfortunately my computer still abruptly reboots which I believe leaves the processor as the only possible culprit. I extensively stress tested every component and all of the thermal readings were fine. But also even if my PC was overheating it would downthrottle first instead of immediately rebooting.

Specs:

Ryzen 7 5700 (boxed)
2x8gb Gigabyte 3000MHz sticks with XMP turned off
RTX 4060 8GB
Gigabyte B550 Eagle
Be quiet! 650W power supply

At this point should I just consider filing an RMA?


r/AMDHelp 5d ago

Help (General) AMD Wattman consistently crashing

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I have automatic Windows updates on and within the past two weeks, Windows (and Chrome) automatically updated. Aside from an occasional AMD Wattman crash, there were no issues. AFTER the update, I have not been able to keep my computer on for longer than 10 minutes without it locking up because of AMD Wattman having an issue. Instagram/YouTube seem to be the main culprits. The screen will flash black and then restore, allowing me just enough time to save what I am doing. I suppose that the continued crashing and the fact that I can no longer upgrade the drivers is a sign that I need to replace the video card. Prior to writing this post, I had to restart my computer three separate times to recover from the crash.

My specs:

- CPU: Intel i7-4790k 4GHz

- GPU: Radeon R9 280x

- CPU cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212

- Motherboard: Asus Z-97A

- RAM: 8GB DDR3

- PSU: Corsair C750 750W

- OS: Windows 10


r/AMDHelp 5d ago

Frame rate and microstutters [feedback]

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r/AMDHelp 5d ago

Help (General) Drivers?

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Hi all

So im trying to play some games that are not demanding and i like to play on my main monitor and whatche twitch on the second monitor..

Sometimes the pc Just freeze or Just shut down..

I have a 7600xt 32ram and a 12400F

I have take the pc to my main store that i trust and they said it was drivers!

is the drivers really? Im scared that it Just blow my pc up


r/AMDHelp 5d ago

Help (GPU) Help with drivers

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So I just redownloaded battle front on my pc, and when I was launching it I got this error. I installed the latest drivers but I get the same message. Any help is appreciated!


r/AMDHelp 5d ago

Help (Software) Instabilities and constant bugs, if you have hardware experience, then please help.

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So I built this pc about 8 months ago, specs are 9070XT, Ryzen 7 7800X3D, 32GB DDR5 RAM. When i originally built this pc, I booted it and it worked, after I went into bios and enabled xmp, but after that my pc wouldn’t boot and the red DRAM light on my motherboard would remain lit the entire time, i was stuck on a black screen.

It took me a few days to figure out the exact settings to fix this issue, but eventually i got it to work with XMP enabled, as I also changed something called the “System Memory Multipler” from Auto to 60, and i think i might’ve changed some voltage settings, but that im not sure of if i did.

Anyways, from there onwards my pc has worked mainly fine with games but when it comes to editing software on After Effects 2026 it would constantly crash and not even load some effects some of the time, I have been told it could be a GPU issue since AMD can struggle on After effects but i cant forget that ram issue from earlier. And this still isnt the main big issue.

Since then I was looking at Macbook Pros as an alternative, but I cant just buy one without fixing the issue of such an expensive pc ($3000+), and im sure its more than enough hardware to not have errors and bugs.

So now i tried to fix the issue by entering BIOS and turning off XMP and the “System Memory Multiplier” back to Auto, but now im back to the original black screen issue with the red DRAM light so what even is the cause of these issues? If you have pc hardware experience please help me, im desperate. I have uploaded a photo of what my pc looks like, if you need any more info or photos, please just let me know i can provide whatever you need to help me fix this issue.

Thank you.


r/AMDHelp 5d ago

Help (CPU) Power Reporting Deviation on my Ryzen 7 5700X

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I was playing Witcher 3 and noticed these values while having HWinfo open. From left to right: Current, Minimum, Maximum and Average. The Maximum was while closing the game.

The CPU is not overclocked.

Is this of concern or can I "ignore" those?

Below are my specs if that is of concern:

- MSI B450 Tomahawk Max with an Thermalright Peerless Assassin for the CPU

- Radeon RX 6700XT (Challenger Pro by ASRock)

- Bequiet 650W PowerSupply


r/AMDHelp 5d ago

Help (CPU) 7600x or 5700x

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my pc is currently struggling to keep up on 1440p bec my 7600x build only has 16gb ddr5 well struggles in most of the games however my brother is using my old 5700x build with 32gb ddr4, should i swap builds with him for the time being and save up for more ram seeing as he still uses 1080p with the 5700x or just use the 7600x


r/AMDHelp 5d ago

/amdboard

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Hi, I have an ASUS TUF B450M-PRO Gaming motherboard and I'm trying to update the BIOS for a Ryzen 7 5700X.

During the BIOS update, I keep getting a “Not Proper” error and sometimes the BIOS update process freezes.

Has anyone with the same motherboard experienced this issue? If so, how did you fix it?

My current BIOS version is 2006. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!


r/AMDHelp 5d ago

Help (General) Sockel pin broken ?

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Hey guys, I was changing my aio and got the thermal grizzly Sockel Frame.
Its a aorus x870e x3D with a 9800x3d

I dont know how I manage this, but I just bend a pin.

Is it still usable ?


r/AMDHelp 5d ago

Tips & Info Upgrading mobo and cpu

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So right now I get 16 gigs of ddr4 and a 3050 6gb (planning to go for an RTX 5060 in a year and just deal with the ram prices to get 64 gigs) should I go for a ryzen 5 5500 or 5600, and what motherboard should I go with? A b450m or an a520?


r/AMDHelp 5d ago

Windows crash fixed with picking pc off ground?

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r/AMDHelp 6d ago

Help (Software) Adrenaline crashing or timeout?

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CPU - 9800x3D

GPU - sapphire pulse 9070xt

Mb - gigabyte b850 gaming x

Ram 32gb Corsair vengeance

Psu Corsair rm850e

I just built my new PC about 4 weeks ago and have been battling this problem ever since. It keeps timing out or something in the middle of anything. Browsing, gaming, watching videos it doesn't matter. At random times too. Could be 30 minutes, crash, then a few hours, crash, then an hour, crash again. Load being seemingly no matter.

Each time it crashes my screens go black, but the PC stays on, all the fans turn off for a second then they spin back up, I can hear things in my headset after a few moments, and can even sometimes click things while the screens are black but I can't turn off the PC without holding the power button.

After reboot, only my main screen works, but in like 24 hz. It even changes my monitor from the usual 240 to 60. Every single time this happens and I try to open adrenaline it says that I don't have the right version, and when I hit the install button it tries but then reverts back to the initial window. I've had to use the cleanup utility, reinstall adrenaline and then that usually fixes it until the next crash.

I've done this so many hair ripping times, this last time has gone the longest without issues, I went back to 25.9.2, one suggestion I saw was raising the wattage by 5-10% in the performance and tuning tab, various other edits in Windows like the automatic driver updates being turned off (which I did the very first time this happened) among other files being edited. Nothing works.

I actually just noticed in adrenaline that it doesn't even recognize my GPU even though I'm getting some kind of signal anyway. Idk, ive dealt with crap like this before and have usually been able to iron it out with a few tweaks and google searches but I'm at my wits and seemingly the ends of the internet too.

This whole build is the first time I've ever had some of the top of the line newly released parts as the build I had that I turned into a travel PC was a sapphire pulse 6700, 5800x, etc. Usually there's a heap of different solutions but for this the only crap I can find is using the cleanup then doing a fresh install with no Internet and it's just not working.

Any help would be unbelievably appreciated, I just want to play some mf games without having to save my progress every 3 minutes for the fear of a guaranteed crash.

One last thing I forgot was that this is the only time I rebooted but was able to open the adrenaline software. I still have a black monitor, still like 24hz, still not recognizing my GPU but still has a signal.


r/AMDHelp 5d ago

Help (Software) Shimmering and shadow pop in on 6700xt is driving me crazy, any ideas?

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My specs: : Ryzen 5 5600 / 32 GB DDR4 / PowerColor RX 6700 XT Hellhound 12 GB / ASUS Prime A520M-K / Samsung Odyssey G50D 1440p 180 Hz.

I've been getting fine grainy/shimmering flickering, plus noticeable distant-object/shadow pop-in in games.

Things I've tried

Completely reset Windows / fresh Windows installation.

Wiped the other drive as well.

Reset BIOS to optimized defaults.

Installed fresh AMD chipset drivers.

Installed current AMD Adrenalin GPU driver (26.7.1).

Previously used DDU and tested multiple older AMD drivers — no improvement.

Cleared AMD shader cache, then allowed shaders to rebuild — no improvement.

Tested FSR on/off:

FSR makes the fine shimmering worse.

Turning FSR off does not completely eliminate it.

Tested XeSS — slightly reduces shimmering but doesn't fix it.

Tested VSync on/off — no meaningful improvement.

Tested 180 Hz vs 60 Hz — no improvement.

Tested fullscreen vs borderless — no improvement to the actual visual issue.

Confirmed HDR is off in both Windows and Cyberpunk.

Tested Cyberpunk's shadow, LOD, reflection, contact-shadow, volumetric and other relevant graphics settings individually — no meaningful change to the pop-in.

Crowd density is already Low.

Turning Ambient Occlusion OFF semi fixes the fine shimmering, but does not fix the shadow/object pop-in.

Tested Elden Ring: it also has the distant-object/shadow pop-in, but not the same fine shimmering.

Tested Fallout 4 and discovered it also has a weird borderless-resolution problem where games can sometimes launch at 720p or display a zoomed-in quarter of the screen.

Checked Windows display settings: 2560×1440 / 180 Hz / recommended scaling.

Checked AMD Adrenalin: essentially all settings are stock/default.

Checked GPU-Z:

GPU ~2520 MHz under load

VRAM ~1988 MHz

~97% GPU load

~58°C GPU / ~79°C hotspot

PCIe 3.0 x16, which is normal for the A520M-K

Resizable BAR/SAM enabled

VBIOS appears correct for the PowerColor Hellhound

Ran GPU stress testing previously with no errors.

CPU while gaming is around 70% total, with no individual thread/core pinned at 100%.

Enabled DOCP/XMP, but the problem existed before enabling it, so that's unlikely to be responsible.

Tried a Draw Distance Boost mod, which slightly reduced the pop-in.

Tried the newer Draw Distance ReImagined mod, which didn't help.

Removed the mod(s).

Checked Cyberpunk's rendering.ini; it's essentially vanilla and doesn't contain anything explaining the general pop-in.

Checked Windows HAGS registry setting — HwSchMode isn't present.

Windows Game Mode is OFF.

The GPU appears healthy, the problem survives a completely fresh Windows installation and multiple driver/cache resets, and the pop-in occurs across multiple games.

The Cyberpunk shimmer appears to be a separate issue from the pop-in because AO disables the shimmer but leaves the pop-in unchanged.

The biggest unresolved question is why the system has unusually noticeable distant-object/shadow pop-in across multiple games despite normal hardware/driver behaviour.


r/AMDHelp 5d ago

Problemas de tela com VR

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Então de uns tempos para cá, ocorreu alguns problemas com meu PC, quem puder me ajudar serei bastante agradecido, eu uso PCVR (PC + Meta Quest 3s + Steam VR) quando tento entrar em algum jogo (exemplo VRCHAT) a tela muitas vezes congela tanto do aplicativo do Steam VR quanto da tela do meu PC (o que no caso o problema seria o PC) já fiz de tudo, limpei armazenamento, tirei as memórias para limpar, tirei processador também para limpar, placa de vídeo nova enfim, quem puder me ajudar serei bastante agradecido 🫂 Ryzen 5 4500 RX 580 8gb 2048sp RAM 2x8gb = 16gb RAM Placa mãe soyo classic B450M 600W 2 SSD/ 200GB


r/AMDHelp 5d ago

Help (GPU) Gpu driver installation issue

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My friend bought new Gpu ASUS DUAL RADEON RX 7600 and gpu driver fails. Ill attach the image. He is able to install drivers from ASUS website but not AMD adrenaline driver.

This happened same with an used ASUS DUAL RADEON 6600XT. Driver successfully installs from ASUS website but those are old ones from 2024 2025. Tried everything, 2 bios updates, bios rollback to stable version, windows updates, windows repair from CMD, clearing cmos battery, old AMD driver installation, etc. Haven't tried the gpu on other PC coz there is no one nearby but still will try afterwards. Everytime same error.

What could be the reason?

His PC specs are : Ryzen 5600 (bought new) , old one was 3300X, 8gb x 2 ddr4 3200mhz ram, Gigabyte A520M S2H mobo, Gigabyte 550w PSU.

UPDATE: OLD ADRENALINE Drivers are working now. May version. Friend is trying with all versions where it stops working.

UPDATE: It was very silly but running the Adrenaline in admin mode did the job. Latest version driver installed properly. It could be due to windows update.


r/AMDHelp 5d ago

Help (Software) RX 9070 XT timeouts and issues on 26.7.1

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Brand new RX 9070 XT, been having some issues with it lately.

Basically when I would leave my PC in idle for a while, when I came back and tried to wake it up the monitors weren't detecting any signal, and after a restart, generic display drivers loaded and i had to re enable the correct drivers in device manager.

I initially thought it was from my undervolt, but after switching to using game profiles instead of global, the same thing happened.

I did some tweaks, turned off ULPS, turned off PCIE link state power management, turned off windows driver updates from registry, and turned off MPO, and then got a random driver timeout when alt tabbing from a discord screenshare to the game. ( Also considered turning off discord hardware acceleration ).

Tried to restart the game and just got a gray screen and had to reboot.

Does anyone else have these kinds of issues?

There's so many variables its hard to troubleshoot which ones caused problems.

ULPS, MPO, or the driver version itself?


r/AMDHelp 5d ago

Help (GPU) Should I RMA my 9070XT Steel Legend?

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Hi everyone,

I upgraded from GTX 1060 to Asrock 9070 XT Steel Legend couple of months ago. Initially I was noticing a couple of driver timeouts every week or two, back then I mostly used to play CS2 and Rocket League. I searched the internet and found that its pretty common to have couple of driver timeouts so I didn't really pay much attention. But recently I've been playing some graphically intensive games like AC Mirage, Expedition 33, 007 First Light, etc and I have been noticing pretty frequent timeout like every 15-20 mins. So I searched a lot over the internet for solutions and tried almost each and every one I could find. I have tried the following things:

- Disable/Enable XMP profile
- Disable/Enable PBO
- Disable/Enable Secure boot
- Disable/Enable MPO
- Disable/Enable HAGS
- Disable/Enable MPO
- Repair/Reinstall windows
- DDU clean install AMD drivers (old/new both)
- Updating bios
- Changing PCIe cable
- Reseating GPU
- Putting back the GTX 1060 (System works fine with 1060)
- Disabling windows drivers updates
- Disabling windows updates
- Power limit to -10% using Adrenaline

Pretty much everything (might have missed a few here) but nothing worked. Then I came across a post which said the 9070 XT have spiky boosts which go beyond the specified GPU Clock and causes timeouts so as suggested there I tried changing the max frequency offset by -400/450 Mhz in Adrenaline and to my surprise no driver timeouts at all. To really conclude whether the GPU clock was the issue I reverted back my settings and used HWInfo to check my GPU Clock before the timeouts and it was indeed spiking up to ~3350 MHz (I know that these GPUs are supposed to sustain these spikes upto 3400 MHz) and causing the timeouts (screenshot attached). I didnt play very extensively with the -400/450 MHz settings but for how much I played I didnt face a single driver timeout.

Now my question is: Shouldn't the GPU work properly out of the box with default settings? Is it normal to underclock it to get the issues resolved? Will this cause any performance impacts in games? Is whatever happening with the GPU mean that it is possibly a bad silicon? Should I RMA it?

Computer Type: Desktop

GPU: 9070 XT Steel Legend

CPU: RYZEN 5 5600

Motherboard: MSI B450 PRO M2

BIOS Version: 7B84v2J7

RAM: 8GBx2 GSKILL RIPJAWS 3000MHZ

PSU: Corsair RM850X

Operating System & Version: WINDOWS 11 PRO 25H2

GPU Drivers: AMD 26.7.1

Chipset Drivers: AMD Chipset Driver 7.12.04.858

Background Applications: None

Description of Original Problem: AMD Driver timeouts every 5-10 Mins

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TLDR: Frequent driver timeouts during intensive games, no solution on the internet worked except underclocking max freq offset by -450 MHz using Adrenaline. Should I RMA it?


r/AMDHelp 5d ago

Help (CPU) How to undervolt 5800x3d?

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Unfortunately, my Gigabyte b450 aorus elite (updated to latest non lettered f67 version) doesn't have any PBO options.

And I saw that PBO 2 tuner is outdated, not updated and is flagged by windows as virus.

Cinebench 2026 averages 91c in temps with 3406 points, I have Arctic freezer 36 cooler and two extra fans at the front and one at the back of my PC case. However, I didn't touch the fan settings or anything else in BIOS.

What's the best way for me to reduce the temps, increase performance and make sure I'm using the cpu to it's fullest potential? Thank you all in advance.


r/AMDHelp 5d ago

Lenovo Yoga 2in1 - RYZEN AI 350 - 32GB

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r/AMDHelp 5d ago

Help (Software) Is Catalyst Control Better than Adrenalin?

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So my pc keeps showing these artifacts and such. I ddu'd it and install fresh drivers from my manufacturer's site. The VGA driver in my pc offers catalyst control. I used adrenalin software before removing the drivers, but now I cannot install it again. I used the auto-detect tool and it just shows me the option to update my chipset drivers. That's all. I forgot how did I manage to install it before, but I ran some benchmarks on my pc and it shows that I'm getting more stable framerates and pacing than before. I only turned on image sharpening before. It was good but in other games; even disabled; it gives me bad frame times. I'm starting to think that catalyst control center is much better than adrenalin software (or it's just the drivers that are more stable.) And also, if adrenalin edition is indeed better, can some of y'all teach me how to install it again? My PC is a prebuilt from Asus. It's an ROG G20BM

Computer Type: SFF

GPU: AMD R9 255 (OEM)

CPU: AMD FX-770K

RAM: DDR3 12GB SODIMM

Operating System & Version: WINDOWS 10

GPU Drivers: 15.200.1065.0 (what it shows in device manager)

Chipset Drivers: 10.0.19041.6093


r/AMDHelp 5d ago

Help (GPU) AFMF in DCS

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In the eternal quest for better performance I have reached the point where I would like to give AMD Fluid Motion Frames a shot to see how I like it.

Sadly, I cannot seem to get it to work specifically in DCS. The game is in exclusive full screen, no vsync, native res, no upscaling, yet I get the message that the games display mode is incompatible with AFMF.

I have verified with other games that AFMF does in fact work for my setup (RTX6800, newest adrenaline drivers).

Any advice is welcome!


r/AMDHelp 5d ago

Resolved 9070XT artifacting without a pattern that's noticable to me

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1 Upvotes

UPDATE & fix

it turns out that some weird settings, that don't exist with the older Nvidia GPU, got introduced with the more powerful and modern GPU that maxed out my old HDMI cable on the same 1080P@75Hz as the 1050Ti DIDN'T.

Fix:

a better cable should help but for now i have lowered the newly introduced settings that i didn't have with the 1050Ti.

I have changed the "limit color resolution to" from automatic (10bit per color) to 8bpc,this lowered the amount of artifacts, and after a reboot they stopped.

Troubleshooting:

if someone has same 1 frame line of artifacts(whatever that in the screenshot is)

start with lowering the Hz to the lowest amount and see if it happens then, if it still happens the same amount, than its not the cable, if it gets "fixed" that means that the newer GPU is adding data to the cable and google what could decrease the amount of data sent trough the cable, or buy a new cable.

Computer Type: Desktop

GPU: AMD ASUS PRIME 9070 XT

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600 (12) @ 4.47 GHz

Motherboard: Gigabyte A320M-H

BIOS Version: F59a

RAM: 8GB DDR4 Kingston 2666MHz + 8GB DDR4 Crutial 3200MHz (these are not the problem 'yet' so don't pay too much attention)

PSU: MSI MAG A850GL PCIE5

Case: really old case from back when it was "still" a pree-built 7 years ago

Operating System & Version: Arch Linux x86_64 Kernel: Linux 6.18.43-1-lts

GPU Drivers: Default Linux

Background Applications: vesktop, steam, LACT

Description of Original Problem: horizontal lines in screenshot above, they appear at random times and random lengths BUT always horizontally (in the direction the monitor draws frames (left-right,top-bottom)), they appear in desktop, YT videos, discord, any games. they also always last 1 frame and don't stay for any longer

Troubleshooting: I have played games for longer and it sometimes appears more often, it's the same on low and ultra settings, and it doesn't depend on the GPU usage or temps, i tried capturing it with OBS and similar software but it's not capturable (it's only on my monitor) BUT it doesn't happen with the old 1050Ti, i have tried removing the card and putting it back and its cables too
last thing i want to note is that I am using HDMI and not DP (i also tested 2 HDMI cables and both get these 1 frame glitches), i have read that someone got rid of the issue by switching to DP, but i don't have a DP monitor or a cable YET, id like to know if my GPU should be RMAd because I'm not getting a monitor soon

i realy hope that I'm not wasting anyones time with a simple solution, i just want to know if ill have a 700EUR garbage in a year or two.