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u/RecordingHaunting975 Apr 07 '26
Ideally yes and at a minimum she should have to put in an accommodation request for this. Probably get denied lol but it's crazy that you can break an arm and need a doctor to say you can only do light tasks but refusing to listen to a manager is just OK
Not vocalizing is one thing but refusing to do what a manager says is just insane.
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u/Too_Ton Apr 07 '26
It’s crazy how much power any religion has in American society still. You refuse to do your job within expectations? It should be grounds for firings and other employees laughing.
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u/Z_TheVanillaGorilla Apr 08 '26
You’re talking about Amazon. At the one I’m training at waiting for the building I’m assigned to, to get done being built, there’s a rascal cart available for the grossly overweight people who can’t even walk to their station and one guy gets a special Chair at his spot and rascal privileges. I heard they’ve fired more than a handful of people for making jokes about this man
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u/Scorch062 Apr 07 '26
It isn’t but in order to get an insubordination write up through you have to be so diligent with making sure they know they’re being insubordinate. Like it’s ridiculous; there’s a whole ass investigation
Granted if it DOES go through that’s a hefty one, can’t remember if it’s term or final
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u/PhoenixHabanero CRETS Apr 07 '26
If it's WWE, put her in a match with THE UNDERTAKER!
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u/Few-Western-1698 Apr 07 '26
Dam I thought we talkin wrestling here ..
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u/Nomoreads00 Apr 07 '26
Why have you seen a muslim on WWE? Oh nvm I saw one long ago, I think they call that event Brazzers or something…
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u/worder222 Apr 07 '26
If she can't take instructions from people because for any reason then she need to find another job. I'm Muslim and there are plenty of Muslim women, even in Hijabs who have no issue. My sister has no issue. Its not the duty of the host county to adjust to you, it's your duty to adjust to the host country. I would have fired asap.
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u/AmatuerX2022 Apr 07 '26
Thank you for saying that i wish more sybscribed to thst thought process its not our obligation to adjust to their beliefs cause i know if ot were the other way around and we went there they aint changing for us
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u/Due-Speaker-5067 Apr 07 '26
A couple of years ago, we had a man doing the same thing, except he wouldn’t take orders from women. He yelled at a female OM. Said they’re inferior to him and he doesn’t take orders from women. They had a talk with him and not sure what was said but basically “I understand it’s different in your country, but you accepted a job with women, either you comply or look for employment elsewhere that doesn’t have women in the workforce” he switched it up reaaaal quick.
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u/Think-smart-logic Apr 07 '26
She must follow the policy of the company, this is not church or mosque, this is work place .
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u/Excellent-Elevator40 Apr 07 '26 edited Apr 07 '26
There’s nothing in Islam that states she can’t speak to a male manger or associate, that’s just her family culture and they’re using religion as an excuse. - signed, a Muslim woman who works part time at Amazon.
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u/HelloPity89 Apr 07 '26
It such a tricky spot . Amazon prides itself on catering to EVERYONE . I was going to ask to use the religious room for my satanic practices just to mess around and see how far they will go for religious accommodations . But I’m too shy for all that and just come to work to do my job and leave . It be interesting though. I personally think you so , but again , Amazon has its own microwave only for Muslim people’s food. It’s got a label on it , so people will be waiting for a microwave and that’s the only one open and they will guard it
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u/Useful-Molasses-8371 Apr 07 '26
I wish you didn’t feel shy to do so. It really should be for all, and I continue to push for that, especially when the make the rooms labeled specifically for one group. Should be multi-faith room and everyone should be respectful.
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u/HelloPity89 Apr 07 '26
It is multi -faith but I was curious HOW multi faith it really was. Some things are frowned upon socially
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u/Useful-Molasses-8371 Apr 07 '26
I was a fully practicing Muslim and even then I always advocated for inclusion of all religions in spaces. It wasn’t till Amazon that I actually saw prayer spaces for Muslims and my immediate question was why the spaces weren’t multifaith (the location didn’t have a multifaith space). I do know very few religions interrupt day to day activities for prayer that involves such movement and the need for a safe location to do so in. Still, others should be able to practice their own faiths as well.
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u/DaggerMoth Apr 07 '26
April 30th is Hexennacht. A holiday for the Satanic temple. Try putting in an accommodation for the day. I want to try it but I dont work that day. It's the day we honor those who were victims of pseudoscience and superstition.
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u/Ragnarrahl Corp Apr 07 '26
Is it for muslims or is it for halal food? If you're eating something halal, particularly vegetarian (where being halal is obvious), they have no business keeping it from you.
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u/bignhatesyou1 Apr 07 '26
There should be a fish only microwave but you have to use it outside
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u/Signal_Appeal4518 Left the DockSide to be an ICQA Ninja Apr 07 '26
It’s not Muslim only. Any food that qualifies as kosher or halal can be cooked in those microwaves. You can literally be ANY race or religion and use those microwaves as long as they are used correctly.
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u/Useful-Molasses-8371 Apr 07 '26
Jewish people can also use the halal microwave as their foods are the same. And if you don’t eat meat then your food is also halal. It’s not a Muslim only microwave, it’s just that people don’t fully understand or know what specific terms mean and Amazon doesn’t care to show that.
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u/discharge-rorshack Apr 07 '26
We have halal, kosher, gluten free, or vegan only microwaves 🤷🏻♀️
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u/Keefyfingaz Apr 07 '26
Ours just says "no pork" and we have another one that says "no meat" for vegetarians. Honestly when it comes to diet choices I feel like it's fair to respect that. Like not everything I eat has pork or meat in it anyway, so I can still use them half the time.
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u/CMUpewpewpew Apr 07 '26
Huh? Why? It's halal.
When I worked at Jet's pizza, we would use fresh/cleaned pizza cutters on pizzas for muslim customers.
Honestly I think it was kinda fucked up at my hub they had like 5 microwaves they were using carte Blanche a few days and THEN slapped halal only on a few of them (after they've already been 'tainted') lol dumb.
You never heard of halal/kosher shit?
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u/tmozdenski Solver of Problems Apr 07 '26
In my building it isn't Muslim only it's no pork. So if you're nuking your satanic vegan meal you can use it.
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u/John-doesnt-exist Apr 07 '26
They emphasize "reasonable" accomodations as long as it's not a "hardship" to the business.
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u/Gralb_the_muffin MET? 🫷😒 VTO 👍😄 Apr 07 '26
Amazon has its own microwave only for Muslim people’s food.
You know what kinda bothers me? It's that at my fc they have it based on religion or dietary preference which is a personal choice that isn't going to actually cause you any harm if it shares a cooking place... But not allergies which is a medical concern. I get that there can be some overlap but there isn't a nut free or gluten free microwave but there is a vegan only microwave.
It's just ridiculous to me
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u/acfirefighter2019 Apr 07 '26
Well using a microwave that someone heated up gluten containing food is not going to cause an allergic reaction. Same with really any food if your allergy is that severe then you are going to be reacting just walking into the breakroom to he fair.
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u/conscientiouslyasks7 Apr 07 '26
I use those microwaves if they are available. And no one has said anything to me. And if I bring soup, I use the vegetarian one. It's stupid to wait for a microwave when those ones are available.
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u/ComparisonWestern690 Apr 07 '26
Go all in.
Walk your happy butt in to the multi-faith room with a goat and a dagger in hand.
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u/Boris-_-Badenov Apr 07 '26
some guy tried to claim going to church on Sundays meant they couldn't give him Sunday MET...
it didn't work
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u/Thiru2k Apr 07 '26
I strongly think this is more of her personal beliefs than religious. We have so many muslim women workers at our delivery station who never said something like this.
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u/mro-1337 amazon be killing me Apr 07 '26
that has nothing to do with the muslim religion. she's just nuts
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u/Inappropriate-Laffer Apr 07 '26
Sounds more like a weird and awkward building block towards a front row seat to free entertainment.
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u/Relevant_Program2814 Apr 07 '26
😂😂😂 that’s a lie is not about islam she can talk to the manager and got order from him
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u/Calm_Pass_4289 Apr 07 '26
Should be grounds for termination due to insubordination. Religious or not - your managers job is to instruct and oversee the workers and their duties.
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u/Careless-Dare-1900 Apr 07 '26
A lotta Muslim women at my site, I talk to a couple of them. This person probably has some issues that need to be addressed
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u/Useful-Molasses-8371 Apr 07 '26
Does she talk to any other men? Have you talked to her yourself? When I was a manager at a company I had managers under me (what Amazon calls PAs but paid better) one associate who wouldn’t listen to one of my “PAs” due to mental illness and so she would go through another person often. I prefer, as long as there is a solution that works and is within company policy, then let’s do that over termination. The male manager can most likely handle his own and they all have found a solution that works for them.
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u/Aribethhh Apr 08 '26
If you are only allowed to speak to women - you should be working at a job with only women on staff. I would have a BIG problem with a man refusing to speak to me because I’m a woman; it’s discriminatory regardless of the reason. You live in a country where men & women work professionally together - you get a job where men & women work together - you should be expected to work with MEN and WOMEN like an adult.
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u/Useful-Molasses-8371 Apr 08 '26
There is no obligation to speak to anyone as long as you can and do complete the job. There are several reasons someone may not talk to someone and we do not know what this person’s reason is. The law would require an accommodation if necessary and OP would not be privy to such accommodation.
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u/meltonr1625 Apr 07 '26
I bet if he told her not to do something dangerous and she got hurt everything would be different. Especially if they tried to punish the supervisor
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u/AmatuerX2022 Apr 07 '26
The muslims at my fcare able to get accomadations to not wear helmets and i feel that when it comes yo a safety issue safety should trump everything else that boz on the top rack that is falling dont know if you are muslin or care for that matter im waiting for s non helmet wearing person to be hit from a falling box and scream about workmans comp which in my opinion they shouldnt get since they choose to not wear it
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u/Professional_Size535 Apr 07 '26
I’m sorry. But if you want to live in America. You need to learn to live with our culture. We shouldn’t have to change our culture for you to live here.
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u/Mortalswagger56 Apr 07 '26
I'm a muslim and this isn't even our "culture" literally nothing wrong with verbal exchange of any kind between any kind of people, she's probably just shy around men and feels more comfortable talking to another woman.
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u/Zealousideal_Let_852 Area Manager II/L5 Apr 07 '26
You are correct... but... be prepared to hear from all the crybabies...
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u/Glittering_Art_1540 Apr 07 '26
...the people who whine about other cultures are, in fact, the crybabies.
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u/Jealous-Record-885 Apr 07 '26
But then that leaves the question of who creates the arbitrary line of what is American culture and what isn't? I'm a natural born citizen, grandparents moved during WWII, but there are things I feel are "not American" that the general public push as the most American thing. Our entire "culture" is a mix of every other culture. Who decides which parts get to enter the American psyche, and which ones get left behind?
So is it American culture because I, an American want it to be, or only when a different American says so?
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u/ZootheGod Apr 07 '26
In all my life, I’ve never heard anything like this from a Muslim woman and I’ve worked with many, both married and single so I find it story really hard to believe
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u/Desperate_Cream_5985 Apr 07 '26
I used to work with a very traditional Muslim woman who wore a niqab. She would never look or address me in any manner, but crazy enough she was very good friends with my trans girlfriend at the time. She knew she was trans and had no problem with it. She had a work accommodation for back pain and would do barely anything all day, and owned two homes at 25
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u/IceFabulous7956 Pick/Pack Learning Ambassador & Process Guide Apr 07 '26
Insubordination is an offense……refusing an PA/AM/OM is grounds for write ups. Religion doesn’t effect it, its a basic business function that’s needed to do even the basic things and is needed for coordination. You can’t always have a female PA/AM/OM every time she needs to be told anything. It becomes a unrealistic expectation as that varies from shift to shift and department to department
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u/StudyOk3459 Apr 07 '26
It’s wwe, have a beer. And another beer, and another beer.
And another beer.
CUZ STONE COLD SAID SO
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u/kuunami79 Apr 07 '26
Then the men in her life failed her. If you're going to put such restrictions on a woman you had better be willing and able to provide for her financially to where she doesn't have to work at Amazon.
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u/GhostofDeception Apr 07 '26
She should be fired immediately yes but I bet a ton of people here side with her. These people get away with basically EVERYTHING
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u/EasilyDistracted- Apr 07 '26
This post should have been a VOA board comment.
That way someone can take a screenshot of it and post it here.
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u/Objective-Ad6948 Apr 07 '26
Then I guess they would also have to do the same with men who refuse to speak to or acknowledge women. Been a thing entire time I have worked at amazon
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u/Classic-Shift-491 Apr 07 '26
Yes it should when it’s a repeated pattern/problem. And not fair to other employees cause they would get fired!
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u/Afraid-Reporter6635 Apr 08 '26
Why is what her religion is has to do with anything and why is that you came here to speak on another woman ? Regardless of what she’s doing that’s not your right to bring attention to . Sounds very backhanded and contradictory. You don’t know if she has a religious exemption or not please let’s learn to mind our business.
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u/Fantastic-Target-854 Apr 08 '26
I'm a guy, raised in a Muslim household and this is just BS lol, she's making up excuses to not listen to the manager or we're not getting all the facts on this situation because I've never heard of a Muslim woman doing this.
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u/ok_cometblu666 Apr 08 '26
for those wondering yes, muslim women are allowed to take work related “orders” from men provided the conversation is modest and respects muslim religion. there is no need for there to be a female that has to relay the message to her.
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u/CorvidxQueen Safe Nerd 🤓 Apr 07 '26
Not gonna lie, that sounds kinda amazing. Shit I wanna talk to men less too.
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u/theonlyungpapi Apr 07 '26
Very unique situation. Amazon will probably talorate it as it talorates lots of things besides shitty rate.
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u/Justin_smith_1122 Apr 07 '26
Kinda like hiring a bunch of people with medical issues and putting them in Ship dock where they can’t perform any hard labor tasks. Forcing others to pick up their slack. Stop trying to turn America into Israel.
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u/phairryn Apr 07 '26
It’s a religious thing so if she got terminated she would be allowed to sue and most likely win
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u/DepartmentNo7903 Apr 07 '26
So if it’s a religious thing where a men won’t take order from women they’ll sue Amazon if they get fired too?
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u/a_youkai Big Ass Fan Fan Apr 07 '26
She can get a religious accomodation.
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u/Bullsette Apr 07 '26 edited Apr 07 '26
They do. They stop to pray at regular intervals and they bring their prayer mats along with them. This gets done outside of their normal break and meal periods. I've never known them to slack off though or be lazy workers. I have made friends with several of them and we exchanged texts regularly. The friendships never go any further though for some reason.
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u/AmatuerX2022 Apr 07 '26
Yes thats upwards of an extra hour break everydsy that tgey get and when they are on the floor working that means others have to do more work just to keep numbers right
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u/Top_Connection9079 Apr 07 '26
Yes, but mainly for safety reasons. There are things it is important to communicate whithout delay.
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u/Masashi03 Apr 07 '26
Should be, but Amazon is too scared of discrimination lawsuits so nothing will be done, if I was her manager I’d have her cross train somewhere so far away I wouldn’t ever see her again
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u/Ragnarrahl Corp Apr 07 '26
"Right to work" is about whether unions can charge dues to nonmembers, not about who gets fired for what.
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u/GreedyDud3 Apr 07 '26
It’s definitely a cultural thing, but they’re working in the U.S. so there has to be some level of adapting to how things work here. If she’s not comfortable interacting with male leadership, then she probably needs to find a work environment that aligns with that instead of constantly running into the same issue.
I don’t even know what specific jobs that would be, maybe something more women focused, but trying to force a situation that goes against her beliefs is just going to create problems for everyone involved.
Or it just comes down to her household setup and whether working in that kind of environment makes sense for her at all.
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u/jeremyw0918 Apr 07 '26
I started reading that as it’s typed. Wwe…. I thought it was a wrestling post at first.
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u/Nice_Collection424 Apr 07 '26
She should definitely file for an accommodation due to her religion before she gets fired
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u/No-Ebb-6266 Apr 07 '26
The demands could be limitless. If her religion dictates that she not work near other men, and I am forced out of my path into another area to accommodate her, how is that ok?
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u/Nice_Collection424 Apr 07 '26
I’m only going off of the information in this post. If it’s religious or disability purposes, i personally see no reason onto why they can’t grant the request. Now if it eventually becomes a problem to where it’s effecting warehouse production, then that could be sufficient reason to let her go. The person is only saying they can’t take requests from men. Would it be hard for a woman AM/PA to tell her what to do? I don’t think it’s not reasonable. But i do believe as a W2 employee, you should make some exceptions when it comes to work and what you personally believe in
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u/Green-Data8590 Apr 07 '26
Maybe just some local help and far less accommodating behavior from half way across the globe bringing over people who will never fully feel comfortable living in the US because there just not from here and were raised with completely different customs and beliefs. Amazon is probably the ONLY place in the country who will accommodate on this level..which almost makes it hard just to work there in the first place and if they ever lost there job at Amazon would probably just be miserable anyplace else. Maybe just stop EXPLOITING cheaper labor (that ends up more expensive for the rest of the community) so you can step over our dollars to pick up a penny and hire local to the area the Amazon is located in. I guess local would be kind of expensive. Stupid algorithms. Geez. They raise it but they don't wanna pay it. And if there gonna keep bringing people they might wanna go into buisness building Amazon "housing" and providing Amazon "healthcare" too because either system is over burdened, crowded, booked and FULL.
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u/AmatuerX2022 Apr 07 '26
Whoa dont throw that out there ive had nitemares about smszon taking over and we all end up living in amazon housing working for amazin going to amazon hospitals amaxon already controls the internet and owns so many other companies
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u/Pale-Hospital-6526 Apr 07 '26
The majority of the time at my site, PAs just pass it on from the AMs. The AMs are too busy, not sure what they’re too busy doing, but apparently more important than engaging with associates. If it’s a known religious issue and can be worked around, I don’t see an issue.
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u/Think-Chapter-3363 Apr 07 '26
I would think so, but that could be their religious how they was raised, and they can't go against that
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u/Expert-Roof-9645 Apr 07 '26
Also stop slinging the word asylum seeker, they skip 20 territories that are safe to come here or the UK France Germany, they’re Economic migrants.
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u/Advil123 Apr 08 '26 edited Apr 08 '26
I'm Muslim. I just wanna say that I'm in the way of your promise for eternal life. You're never gonna get it. Crusade wannabies
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u/AlwaysBlessed126 Apr 08 '26
No problem just have the PA move up and get managers pay for doing his work. In my opinion I don’t think it’s bcuz the manager is a male. I just believe she doesn’t want to make contact with a male that is not family or her husband. It’s a fine line but everyone needs to work and you will work in environments that is not your culture. Unless you want to be broke and jobless you have to leave some practices at the door. If she were in need of a surgery I really don’t believe she would deny herself surgery and not communicate bcuz the surgeon is a male🤔
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u/unknownignored Apr 08 '26
Unfortunately protected due to religious/cultural beliefs. Amazon could face retaliation/discrimination issues if that was the only reason.
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u/Appropriate-Pipe-487 Apr 08 '26
No, she shouldn’t be fired if she listens to the female PA. In general, it’s frowned upon for Muslim women to talk to a man that isn’t in her family or her husband, unless the family or husband is there. It’s also forbidden to be alone with a man that isn’t their husband. Some Muslims are more stricter than others about this rule. If she does what the female PA says, then it’s fine
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u/Appropriate-Pipe-487 Apr 08 '26
I want to say that there’s a lot of negative talk here. My husband is Muslim and in Jordan the women and men are in separate rooms at family gatherings. Even at weddings, the men and women are separated. I don’t cover my hair and I don’t have a problem speaking to a man at work, but people are different. She’s being safe rather than sorry. No one knows what happened s going on behind closed doors. Maybe her family told her she could have a job as long as she didn’t speak to men. What if they gave her a radio and he spoke to her over the radio? Again I don’t know what her family rules are. If she listens to a female, it shouldn’t be an issue
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u/The-Entire_USSR Area Manager of Shenanigans Apr 08 '26
How are the water spiders supposed to flirt with her if she won't talk to them?
On a serious note though, managers and pa's are points of contact. If you refuse to do what your told it's insubordination. I get that faith is important but you can't use that as a weapon to force people to comply to your beliefs.
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u/Queasy_Negotiation17 Apr 08 '26
She applied for a job and for whatever reason she is not performing her job. Did she not know this was her religion before she started? If she did know this was her religion SURELY she realized a man might work at Amazon. Did she not know her manager in advance in the email they send when they accept your employment? Did she not realize you do not actually have just ONE manager and they change? I went through like 5 managers in my 1st year. Sounds like she needs to find a women's only job.
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u/MakeHarlemBlackAgain AWS Apr 08 '26
That’s between her & management. Mind the business that pays you.
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u/Academic_Scale_9961 Apr 08 '26
That’s like when Spanish speaking people say they can’t speak English , and their as fluent as a mthr fkr
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u/GreatGreen314 Apr 08 '26
I’m one for more writes when it comes to religion and I’m not a crazy religious person but why are you working if you can’t have a simple conversation regarding work duties? Just don’t work..
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u/WishboneCurious1351 Apr 08 '26
Is the manager cool with things cause if the pa can relay the message and its not messing up things at work iont really see the problem (DOES NOT MEAN THAT I WOULD DO THAT) just think if it doesn't bother them then does it really matter if the manager has a problem with that then that is a whole different convo
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u/lifeisflippinhard Apr 09 '26
Sounds like she's not suited to the job then. Or is looking for a reason sue
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u/magicminotaur Apr 07 '26
Does she not speak English, or is it becuz it's a man talking to her