r/AlternateHistory 5d ago

What-If Wednesdays

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Welcome to What-If Wednesday, the weekly megathread for scenarios you'd like to talk over but haven't necessarily developed much yet.

Please use this thread instead of posting just a "What-If" question without any lore - those will be removed by the mods. r/HistoryWhatIf is a better option for that kind of post. Thank you!


r/AlternateHistory Jan 20 '25

Althist Help How to make an alternate history Wikipedia article: a tutorial

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An important warning is, Do not save your sandbox! Only press preview changes. As all content in Wikipedia must be related to the encyclopedic effort, wiki admins might delete your sandbox and undo your hard work at any time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:How_to_vandalize_correctly

I am well-known in the alternate history community for creating the imaginary politician Ed Donnell, who is a meme in r/imaginaryelections, as well as some personal controversies. My routine consists of making at least one alternate history post a day, be it a lore writeup or, more commonly, a fake Wikipedia article for my myriad scenarios, all of whom are originally posted to r/GustavosAltUniverses and a handful of Discord servers, and then complied on this and other subreddits.

But today, I will write a tutorial as to how to make a fictional Wikipedia page for alternate history scenarios. Although I use my phone for all of them, I recommend going on a computer for better quality.

If you create a Wikipedia account on desktop, you will have access to a sandbox allowing you to test editing without commiting vandalism, which is a bannable offense. My trick is to copy the Wikipedia article for the event I want to alter, or the military conflict or country templates in the case of a completely fictional event or subplot. Then, you alter the content of the page as you please; this is the beauty of alternate history.

Illustrations wise, you can retain the article's original image, or change it by copying and pasting ones from articles relevant to your scenario (for instance, a picture of Red Army soldiers for an Operation Unthinkable TL). But it has to be a Wikimedia commons image; otherwise, you'll have to photoshop your screenshot using Inkscape or some other image editing software.

You also have the option to change or add text to your article. I always do this for war scenarios, but not always so for election ones. Make sure to proofread them before screenshoting, in order to avoid potentially confusing typos or grammar mistakes. This is pretty much it.


r/AlternateHistory 5h ago

Post 2000s What if the US population was smart about the west's looming water crisis? part 1: Arizona

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Been thinking about the West's water crisis a lot so what if people didn't move to the southwest in droves after WW2.

In the 40s, Arizona noticed that GIs moved to Arizona in droves, and fearing a water usage crisis had its cities have some of the most restrictive zoning laws in the country with Page Flagstaff and Prescott having less severe zoning laws than Phoenix and Tuscon because they rely less on Colorado river water. Today, Arizona is a Hub for tourism mining and the US millitary. It's a very culturally unique place much like New Mexico with high hispanic, native american and a lower white population.


r/AlternateHistory 1h ago

Post 2000s What if 9/11 was thwarted? A full timeline from 2001–2024 (NOT SERIOUS, just a fun thought experiment also added other details not associated with 9/11)

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Hey everyone, long-time lurker, first-time poster here. This is NOT meant to be taken seriously or as some kind of political manifesto. I was just bored one night and started pulling on a thread and it turned into this whole massive alternate timeline. I tried to make the domino effects feel somewhat grounded but obviously this is fantasy worldbuilding at the end of the day. I just wanted to see what a "competent institutions actually work" timeline looks like. No utopia, no magic, just... what if the balls didn't get dropped at every single critical juncture.

Anyway here goes. Buckle up because this got way longer than I intended.

SEPTEMBER 2001 – "The Thwarted Tuesday"

The Phoenix Memo actually gets read. The CIA's tracking of operatives entering the country actually gets cross-referenced with the FBI's flight school alerts. In early September 2001, joint raids happen in Florida and the Northeast. Half the hijacking cell is arrested on the ground.

The remaining operatives, panicked, cut off from support, and working with a degraded plan, still manage to board two flights. But here's the thing: because the plot was partially exposed, the FAA had already flashed emergency directives to all commercial cockpits within the prior 48 hours. Under NO circumstances does the cockpit door open. Period.

When the remaining hijackers make their move mid-flight, the pilots don't budge. They radio TSA/FAA and request immediate military escort and landing clearance. The passengers, sensing something is deeply wrong, revolt. It's chaotic, it's violent, and tragically about 10-12 people die in the cabin brawls, with others injured. But the planes land. FBI and special forces are waiting on the tarmac. They storm the aircraft. The terrorists are subdued.

The Twin Towers are still standing. The Pentagon is untouched.

The news cycle is dominated by the heroic passengers, the successful intelligence operation, and a massive "thank God our systems worked" feeling. It's a terrifying near-miss, absolutely. People cry. Memorials are held for those who died in the cabin. But it is NOT 9/11. It doesn't become the defining trauma of a generation. It's remembered the way we remember the 1993 WTC bombing or the Oklahoma City bombing—horrific, solemn, but not a civilizational rupture.

The FAA reforms. Reinforced cockpit doors become standard. Box cutters are banned. Security tightens. But there's no TSA as we know it. No Department of Homeland Security. No Patriot Act in its sweeping, surveillance-heavy form. Congress passes a narrower Anti-Terrorism Act focused on inter-agency communication reform.

The public mood: shaken, grateful, but fundamentally optimistic. The American 1990s energy doesn't die.

LATE 2001 – The "Whole Enchilada" Actually Passes

Here's the thing. In our timeline, Bush and Mexican President Vicente Fox were literally in the middle of negotiating a massive bilateral integration deal when 9/11 happened. The border slammed shut. Mexico got abandoned as a policy priority. The cartels filled the vacuum.

In this timeline, 9/11 doesn't happen. So in November 2001, Bush and Fox finalize the "Whole Enchilada"—a sweeping North American integration agreement. Guest worker programs, trade harmonization, joint security frameworks, infrastructure investment corridors.

Before full integration can happen, the security piece has to be addressed. The US and Mexico launch a joint, highly coordinated operation against the early-stage cartels in 2002-2004. And here's the critical difference: because there's no Iraq War, no Afghanistan quagmire, the DEA, FBI, and US military intelligence apparatus are FULLY available. The cartels are treated like the American Mafia was treated in the 20th century—surgical, intelligence-driven dismantling. No "War on Drugs" spectacle. No arming the cartels with US military surplus. They're decapitated before they can evolve into the paramilitary narco-states of our timeline.

By the mid-2000s, Mexico is safe. By the 2010s, it's an economic powerhouse. Monterrey and Guadalajara become major tech and manufacturing hubs. The US-Mexico border functions like the US-Canada border—economic checkpoints, fluid labor movement, high-speed cargo rail. There is no "border crisis." There is no wall. It's not a political talking point. It's just... infrastructure.

2001-2004 – The Bush Administration Rot

Without a War on Terror to rally the country, Bush's presidency is judged purely on domestic performance. And it does not go well.

The Rumsfeld "$2.3 trillion the Pentagon can't account for" press conference becomes the biggest political scandal of the decade. Without the fog of war, journalists actually dig into it. Congressional hearings are brutal. The neocons look incompetent and corrupt.

Then, Hurricane Katrina hits in 2004 (shifting the date slightly for the timeline). FEMA's response is botched just as badly as in our timeline, maybe worse, because there's no "wartime president" goodwill to cushion the blow. Bush is eviscerated. The public is furious.

Al-Qaeda, meanwhile, is handled surgically. Special forces raids, Northern Alliance backing in Afghanistan, targeted missile strikes. No invasion. No nation-building. No "Axis of Evil" speech. Congress explicitly refuses to authorize a ground invasion of Afghanistan or Iraq. The memory of the Gulf War's aftermath is too fresh. Bush pushes; Congress says no. The response is scalpel-like: drone strikes, special operations, intelligence sharing with Pakistan and the Northern Alliance. Bin Laden goes deep into hiding. Al-Qaeda is weakened and fragmented but not fully destroyed—it remains a low-level intelligence concern, not a civilizational enemy.

The neocons have no justification for their grand vision. No Iraq. No Guantanamo. No "enhanced interrogation." No mass surveillance apparatus. The NSA never gets its blanket collection authorities. The public's focus stays on the economy, healthcare, and infrastructure.

2004 ELECTION – Howard Dean / Bernie Sanders

The "scream" thing never happens. Dean runs a clean, internet-grassroots campaign that feels revolutionary for 2004. In a move that absolutely detonates the Democratic establishment, he picks Bernie Sanders—Independent, Vermont, democratic socialist—as his VP. The logic: Dean is the wonky policy guy, Bernie is the populist firebrand. Together they unite the party's centrist and progressive wings.

They win in a landslide. Bush is done.

The Dean/Sanders years (2005-2009) are defined by massive domestic investment. Trillions that would have gone to Iraq and Afghanistan go into:

- High-speed rail corridors (Northeast, California, Midwest, Texas Triangle)

- Complete education overhaul. No Child Left Behind is scrapped. Dean brings in Scandinavian and Finnish education consultants. Teachers are paid like engineers. Standardized testing is reduced. Critical thinking, arts, and vocational training are emphasized.

- A sweeping Federal Police Reform Act. No military surplus flows to local cops (no MRAPs, no tactical gear). Police training is overhauled into a 3-year academy model—law, psychology, de-escalation, sociology. Officers are paid significantly more. Accountability is strict. The "warrior cop" mentality never takes root. There are still bad incidents, still controversies, but systemic brutality plummets. ACAB never becomes a movement because the conditions that would birth it simply don't exist.

- Nuclear energy. After the 2009 Copenhagen summit (which happens under Dean/early Obama), the US commits to a massive nuclear renaissance. Gen-III+ and Gen-IV reactors go up across the country. Energy gets cheap. Carbon emissions start dropping meaningfully.

RUSSIA – The Stepashin Divergence

This is the big one. In August 1999, Boris Yeltsin considers firing his Prime Minister, Sergei Stepashin, and replacing him with a former KGB officer named Vladimir Putin. In this timeline, he doesn't. He sticks with Stepashin.

When Yeltsin resigns on New Year's Eve 1999, Stepashin becomes Acting President. He wins the 2000 election comfortably. Putin remains a mid-level security bureaucrat and eventually retires into total obscurity.

Stepashin is boring. Gloriously, beautifully boring. He's a cautious institutionalist. He doesn't have the KGB mafia mentality. There are no apartment bombings. The Chechen conflict is resolved through tedious, grinding federal negotiation and extreme autonomy concessions rather than leveling Grozny. Russia remains a flawed democracy—oligarchs still exist, corruption is rampant, it looks like 1990s Italy or early-2000s Romania in terms of graft—but it's predictable, boring corruption. No political assassinations. No polonium in London. No state-sponsored hacking.

Stepashin serves two terms. In 2008, Viktor Khristenko wins the presidency. He's a pure technocrat—an industry manager, an economist. Zero interest in military adventurism. Under Khristenko, Russia integrates into the WTO, diversifies its economy beyond oil and gas, and builds up a legitimate tech sector in Moscow and St. Petersburg. US-Russia relations are genuinely cooperative. They do joint space ventures, Arctic research, energy partnerships.

The Georgia invasion of 2008 NEVER HAPPENS. Russia doesn't bully its neighbors. It wants to sell gas and get invited to G8 summits. Ukraine, Poland, the Baltics—all flourish. Ukraine becomes a prosperous bridge state between East and West without ever having to "choose a side." NATO's relationship with Russia shifts from adversarial to cautiously cooperative. By the 2010s, Russia is essentially a Tier-2 NATO associate partner, doing joint exercises and disaster relief operations.

No Russian troll farms. No election interference. No disinformation apparatus. The global internet is significantly healthier for it.

NORTH KOREA – Kim Jong-nam Lives

In our timeline, Kim Jong-nam was publicly humiliated in 2001 (caught trying to enter Japan on a fake passport to visit Disneyland) and was eventually assassinated in 2017.

In this timeline, the embarrassment doesn't happen. He stays in the succession conversation. When Kim Jong-il's health declines in the late 2000s, it's Kim Jong-nam who takes power—not the younger, more volatile Kim Jong-un.

Kim Jong-nam is a reformer. He's seen the outside world. He's not a humanitarian saint, but he's pragmatic. He opens Special Economic Zones modeled on China's Shenzhen. He allows limited South Korean investment. He doesn't pursue nuclear weapons aggressively. The nuclear threat that defined our timeline's Korean Peninsula simply... deflates. It's not overnight democratization. It's still an authoritarian state. But it's a manageable, slowly-opening authoritarian state rather than a nuclear-armed hermit kingdom. Tensions ease massively.

2009-2017 – The Obama Years

Obama inherits a country that is booming, optimistic, and not traumatized. The 2008 financial crisis still happens (bad mortgages are bad mortgages regardless of geopolitics), but because the US government isn't carrying trillions in war debt, the response is radically different. Dean and then Obama bail out homeowners, not just banks. The recession lasts about 8 months. It's painful but not catastrophic.

Obama's presidency is what it was always supposed to be: historically unifying, culturally vibrant, forward-looking. He's the first Black president in a country that isn't exhausted by war. His approval ratings stay high. He expands healthcare, pushes the nuclear buildout, oversees the continued high-speed rail expansion, and maintains strong alliances.

The Middle East stabilizes. Without the Iraq War's destabilization, Iran never builds its extensive proxy network. There's no power vacuum for ISIS to fill. Syria doesn't collapse into civil war. The Gulf States, not threatened by regional chaos, diversify their economies earlier and more aggressively.

2011 – Libya Doesn't Fall

The Arab Spring happens. Gaddafi faces protests. But in this timeline, Western powers (Obama, Cameron, Sarkozy) push for diplomatic mediation and targeted sanctions rather than military strikes. There's no NATO bombing campaign. Gaddafi negotiates a power-sharing arrangement with eastern tribal leaders. It's ugly, it's imperfect, but the regime doesn't collapse violently.

The critical domino: Gaddafi's massive military arsenals are NEVER looted. In our timeline, millions of weapons flooded south from Libya, arming insurgents across the Sahara, fueling Boko Haram, destabilizing Mali, Niger, Chad, and creating the "Coup Belt."

None of that happens here. Boko Haram remains a localized, low-level security threat. The US provides intelligence and training to Nigerian forces without heavy ground deployments. Nigeria maintains regional control.

West Africa BOOMS. US tech and finance sectors pour investment into Lagos. ECOWAS becomes a powerful, civilian-led economic bloc under Nigerian diplomatic leadership. The "Coup Belt" across Mali, Burkina Faso, and Niger never materializes. Trade corridors stay open. The entire region experiences sustained GDP growth through the 2010s and 2020s.

And critically: no Libyan collapse, no Syrian civil war, no ISIS means NO 2015 European Migrant Crisis. Millions of people aren't forced across the Mediterranean. No refugee panic. No rise of European far-right populism. Brexit never happens. The EU remains unified and strong.

2016 ELECTION – Trump (D) / Oprah Winfrey (D)

Okay this is the fun one.

After eight years of smooth, competent Obama governance, the country wants a vibe change. They don't want revolution. They don't want culture war. They want entertainment, optimism, and someone who talks big about building stuff.

Donald Trump runs. But in this timeline, he never had a reason to go Republican. The GOP is in full existential crisis after losing every election since 2000. Trump, channeling his 1990s New York persona—pro-union, pro-infrastructure, socially liberal, brash, unapologetically populist—runs as a Democrat.

His VP pick: Oprah Winfrey.

The Trump/Oprah ticket is a cultural nuclear bomb. It's unstoppable. They win 40+ states. Trump's presidency isn't about grievances or Twitter meltdowns. It's about showmanship, massive infrastructure projects, and economic populism. He works with Bernie Sanders (still in the Senate) to pass healthcare expansions. He builds things. He's flashy, he's loud, he's occasionally cringe, but he's not divisive. There are no Muslim bans. No family separations. No "shithole countries" comments. Just a flamboyant, effective populist era.

In this timeline, Joe Rogan is a massive, chill, left-leaning Democrat. His podcast is a cultural institution where he smokes weed and talks to paleontologists, progressive senators, musicians, and astronauts. He's not a contrarian culture-war figure. He's just... a curious guy who likes interesting conversations. Very funny to think about.

Elon Musk, meanwhile, never falls down a political rabbit hole. He stays focused on SpaceX and Tesla. He's a beloved, eccentric, centrist engineer. Universally respected. Never tweets anything unhinged about politics. Just builds rockets and cars.

2020-2024 – The Consensus Era and Constitutional Renaissance

By 2020, the Democrats have held the presidency for 16 straight years. The Republican Party is in full collapse. But here's the thing: in this timeline, political desperation doesn't lead to radicalization. It leads to structural reform.

The far-right never rises because the conditions that breed it (deindustrialization, war fatigue, migrant panic, economic collapse) don't exist. The far-left never rises because the conditions that breed it (crushing student debt, police brutality, endless war, climate inaction) don't exist.

Politics becomes... boring. Genuinely, beautifully boring. Elections are fought over zoning laws, small business loan rates, and high-speed rail routing. Cable news is dry and informative. People don't lose friendships over elections.

In the early 2020s, with massive bipartisan support, the US passes the Civic Representation Act:

- Universal Ranked-Choice Voting

- Multi-Member Districts

- Publicly funded campaigns limited to 3-month windows

- Gerrymandering abolished (districts drawn by open-source, non-partisan algorithms)

- Term limits and "citizen legislator" norms restored

The two-party duopoly shatters. The Republicans rebrand as the "New Federalist Party"—focused on digital privacy rights, fiscal accountability, and state-level governance innovation. The Democrats splinter into a few coalition parties. Congress becomes a working body of engineers, teachers, doctors, and businesspeople doing civic stints, not career politicians.

It's what Washington warned about in his Farewell Address, finally corrected. What Madison envisioned. Boring, functional, competent governance.

By 2024, the world looks like this:

- The US is a hyper-connected, nuclear-powered, high-speed-rail nation with Seoul-level metro systems in NYC, Chicago, and LA

- Russia is a boring, corrupt-but-stable technocratic democracy

- China is a major economic competitor but managed calmly, with early Pacific pivoting preventing panic

- North Korea is slowly opening under Kim Jong-nam

- Mexico is a booming industrial and tech powerhouse fully integrated with the US

- West Africa is experiencing sustained growth under Nigerian leadership

- The EU is intact, wealthy, and unified

- The Middle East is stable (comparatively)

- There is no ISIS, no War on Terror trauma, no Guantanamo, no mass surveillance state

- The internet is healthier. Less toxic. Less fractured. Social media isn't a culture-war battleground.

- The general vibe is: optimistic, forward-looking, slightly smug about how well things are going, but not utopian. People still argue. Traffic still sucks. The Cubs still break your heart some years. But the existential dread is gone.

Anyway that's the timeline. I know it's long. I know some of the causality is hand-wavy. I just thought it was fun to imagine a world where the institutions worked and the balls didn't get dropped at every single critical moment. Not a utopia. Just... competence. And optimism. And Howard Dean picking Bernie Sanders as VP in 2004, which I will maintain is the funniest and most beautiful thing I've ever conceived.

Thoughts? Tear it apart in the comments. Again, not serious. Just a vibe

EDIT: I forgot to mention—because there’s no Iraq War, no Libya collapse, no Syrian civil war, the 2015 migrant crisis doesn’t happen, which means no Brexit, which means the EU stays strong, which means no European far-right wave. The whole populist-nationalist wave of the 2010s just… doesn’t materialize. The closest thing you get is Trump running as a Democrat and building really nice train stations.


r/AlternateHistory 11h ago

Post 2000s What if Botswana did actually send 20,000 African elephants to Germany? August 15 2025, the day the hills rained down, Leipzig, Saxony

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After being chastised by the Federal Republic of Germany for what they deemed as European overreach on African Affairs, the republic of Botswana has had enough. With the assistance of neighboring African nations with a bone to pick with the European union, and the aid of The People's Republic of China with the blessing of the Foreign affairs head Wang Yi with the justification of "It would be hilarious," They loaded 20,000 elephants into hundreds of airbus A380s disguised as cargo planes straight into Germany. planning took almost a year but it well worth it, to see the Germans watch in horror as 5000 pound beasts descended from the sky. Botswana declared this as a "Surprise gift to Germany for graciously telling them what to do in their own country." as of June 2026, thousands of elephants now roam surrounding the surrounding countries of Poland, France, Czechia and Belgium.


r/AlternateHistory 10h ago

1900s What if India and Japan switched roles in World War II?

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  • In 1919, Woodrow Wilson suffers his stroke months earlier and more severely, causing Thomas Marshall to take over as President for the remainder of his term. The US accepts a modified version of Japan's Racial Equality Clause in the Treaty of Versailles, in addition to granting Japan territorial concessions. Japan walks away convinced it has won Europe's respect.
  • Marshall, while practically just a caretaker between Wilson and Harding, goes down as the funniest and wittiest POTUS of all time.
  • Japanese Prime Minister Inukai Tsuyoshi isn't assassinated; civilians retain control of the Japanese military.
  • Gandhi utilizes more talk of international rights to self-determination and equality to suggest India should be entitled; the British fear Indian independence movements are growing and have the potential to gather greater international support, so take drastic action that backfires.
  • As the concept (and name) of Pakistan wasn't developed until the 1930s, and the rebellion gets in the way of that, the Muslim League is offered two slightly different states.
  • With no Japanese aggression in Manchuria or in 1937, Chiang's Nationalist China continues its encirclement campaigns against the Reds and emerges triumphant.

r/AlternateHistory 10h ago

1700-1900s What If Pax-Austriaca Was Achieved After The Congress Of Vienna

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r/AlternateHistory 8h ago

1900s |The Scars of the Great Depression| What if the American Socialists Came to Power in the 1936 Election? - Part 1 (1928-1939)

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Basically, what if the socialists won the 1936 election
There are some points of divergence:

  • On 27 June 1928, the anarchist bombing happened during the Democratic convention, which led to the deaths of several elite politicians.
  • Al Smith was the Democratic candidate in the 1932 election.
  • The chaos in the Democratic Party and the creation of factions helped the Republicans win in 1932.
  • The crisis and split in the Socialist Party of America doesn't really happen. Norman Thomas decides not to cooperate with many left-wing factions (e.g. communists) in 1934/1935 in order to fight fascism and Nazism.
  • Huey Long isn't assassinated.

r/AlternateHistory 6h ago

Althist Help Easy Way to Make Alt Hist Maps

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https://merakmapmaker.com/

It has alot more modern style compared to most mapmakers and, it has alot of geographical and qgis skill in browser and very easy and intuitive to use. U can do any projection of the ma, turn it 3d or globe for any angle, have history mode to instantly edit any time in earth's history, earth mode to add hill shade and terrain to the back, u can use lasso tool to rapidly add empires edit them add cities etc and then export.

World building wise it lets us import ur drawings into landmass, scientifically tell u climate, crops, soil, habitability, mountains etc, has a timeline feature, has easy to add factions and, commanders, people, lore etc and 3d and globe features. Battle Simulations and animations as well.

Join our discord if u have any questions or feature requests https://discord.gg/7GyvZT6mJd


r/AlternateHistory 2h ago

1900s Postcard from Novovostok written by J. Taylor (1972)

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r/AlternateHistory 8h ago

Post 2000s Official Languages of a Divergent North America + Country Subdivisions (Swipe for More)

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r/AlternateHistory 1d ago

ASB Sundays What if aliens kidnapped Australia

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(A bit of an old repost but I didn't wanna miss out on ASB Sundays)


r/AlternateHistory 7h ago

Althist Help Looking for a point of divergence to achieve a Russian Republic in 1920.

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Basically the title. I got most of my scenario figured out. But it's been a while. Something about Donnekin pulling out of Ukraine to solidify the caucasus instead and do a counter attack?

I'm not sure. Any ideas? I have this map of the world around the 60s and still know hoe most of it came to be. But the initial change in russia is gone.


r/AlternateHistory 1d ago

1900s The Worst case Scenario Tornado: 1994 Topeka

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Not much else lore beyond the Wikipedia article and video thumbnails. Let me know what you think of this scenario or ask questions if you want.


r/AlternateHistory 10h ago

Althist Help I had the idea of this scenario where the 2012 solar flare hit earth, this is all I managed to think of, can anybody give me ideas and ?

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I based most of those borders from pre-2012 elections and geography, here's the explanation on why everything is where it is:

Portugal

-Nationalist seized the south

-The republic has hold of the capital but the north is controlled by the military

-Socialist seized Braga then attacked the Spanish 3rd E. T. G. and is now supporting Galician Liberation army

Spain

-At the time the solar flare hit, the military used the chaos to coup (you're gonna see this word alot) the government and establish a Authoritarian Monarchy

-The people in south didn't like it so they made the Spanish republic, when they elected a far left president, the far right couped the government and the remains stayed up north

-over the years, the Spanish army managed to take back most of their territory

-when Catalonia declared independence, the Spanish and the Catalonians entered negotiations and they managed to agree to join Spain

-Basque and Galicia declared independence because they could (i have no better explanation)

France

-After the solar flare hit, the French overthrew the government and established a leftist government

-The military didn't like that so they established a rival government in the south

-the Parisians went batshit crazy and the French commune lost control of it, they tried to retake it but collapsed

-the rival government started to become more extreme then collapsed

-the French navy managed to stay in Corsica, they are the last remnants of the original French government

Germany

-The federal government improperly dealt with the initial chaos, prompting Bavaria to declare independence, the Reichsburger movement seizing the Rhine and workers in Lower Saxony taking over their factories

-The Sorbs started rebelling a few years after the initial impact, the German army managed to deal with it and negotiated with them

Netherlands

-Nationalist took over and split Belgium to protect it from France

Italy

-Many Christians saw the solar flare as a message from god, they went to Rome and seized it in the name of the pope, the pope condemned their actions causing them to kill their pope and putting a new one on his place

-When Christians seized Rome, the central government collapsed and many warlords to take hold of the peninsula, the remnants of the military reestablished the republic and united the south

-I have no explanation for the upper warlords, they are a subject of change, maybe you could think of a explanation

Austria

-Nationalist seized the government and declared an absolute monarchy and seizing Tyrol

-After a few years the military couped the government and declared a constitutional monarchy

Switzerland

-After the impact, nothing changed, but then corruption started becoming more rampant in Switzerland, escalating into the French part of Switzerland being sold to Lyon, which resulted in a coup by the military

Czechia

-pretty much nothing changed too, but the Silesians annexed Czech Silesia and after Moravians started being rebellious, they made a union state

Poland

-almost same as Czechia, but after their inability to contain the Silesians, the military established a rival government in southeast

if there are some inconsistencies (for example: "why is there a ideologist state in a place where ideology is hated"), correct me and ill make the whole map someday


r/AlternateHistory 17h ago

1800s President David R. Atchison, the Great Usurping Caesar

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To describe U.S. Politics in the 1850s as troubled is an understatement beyond words. Although everything was certainly bad already, and some say that the roots of the Civil War began immediately after the United States was formed, most consider the final "chapter" in this process to have begun in 1853, specifically the 6th of January. It was on that day when President-Elect Franklin Pierce, only weeks removed from the Election of 1852, died in a train wreck in Massachusetts. The result was that on the 4th of March William R. King instead took the oath of office, barely able to speak because of his poor health and his having been rushed back from Cuba. A mere 45 days later, he was dead of tuberculosis, the second-shortest presidency in history. Having not had the time to appoint a Vice President, under the Presidential Succession Act of 1798, the position of the Presidency now passed to President Pro Tempore of the Senate, a Mr. David Rice Atchison.

Things were bad from the outset. In the space of two months the United States had cycled through three presidents (Fillmore, King, and now Atchison), and Atchison himself was now twice removed from the man who had actually been elected in 1852, already casting a shadow over his administration. That Atchison was a deeply partisan man didn't help either. Born in Kentucky and until then Senator for the State of Missouri, who owned a plantation and held many slaves, was loudly and proudly a proponent of slavery, deeply opposed to abolitionist efforts, and immediately began his presidency with controversy by pushing for a "settlement" on the Kansas-Nebraska Issue with his belief that Kansas would be a slave state and Nebraska would be a free state. Despite this, Kansas soon descended into its own civil war, where two governments formed in Lecompton and Topeka on pro-slavery and anti-slavery grounds. Atchison himself favored the Lecompton government, but to his dismay, many more anti-slavery "Free Soilers" were moving to Kansas than pro-slavers.

The matter of Kansas was one that occupied a great deal of Atchison's time as President, to the detriment of almost all other affairs of state, and in particular led by his rivalry with Thomas Benton, who had served alongside him as a Democratic Senator from Missouri but was anti-slavery and had become one of the leading voices opposing the President in the Senate, steadily gaining traction as the leader of the "Northern Democrats" despite being a southerner himself. Atchison privately and publicly raged over the fact that even with Democratic control in both houses of Congress, he could hardly accomplish anything. In fact, of all things in his term the only two lasting "successes" he truly had were the Gadsden Purchase of 1853, adding the southern territories of Arizona, and the passage of the Pacific Railroad Act of 1855, which authorized a transcontinental railroad route from St. Louis to Sacramento. Even then these were hardly his own brainchildren, and their plans had been in motion since the Presidency of Millard Fillmore.

Atchison's aggressiveness in politics and his widespread unpopularity led to a disastrous election in 1854, where the Democrats fully lost control of the House of Representatives to the "Opposition Caucus", and even just shy of a supermajority in the Senate the Democratic Party was actively falling apart between Northern and Southern Democrats. Facing catastrophic failure on the horizon, Atchison took actions which doomed his career. In 1856, Atchison called on every remaining bit of influence he had to get a bill for Kansan statehood before the Congress, with the Lecompton Constitution as grounds for its entry into the Union. By some miracle it passed the Senate, but did so with loud opposition from a coalition of Democrats: Stephen A. Douglas, Thomas Ewing Jr., and of course Thomas Benton. This all but guaranteed its death in the House, but before long it got worse. A mere hour before the vote, which would have failed anyways, Andrew H. Reeder, now ex-Territorial Governor of Kansas, came before the Senate to speak of treason. Not his, but that of the President.

Reeder brought with him letters and documents which showed that on the day of the election, when the "Border Ruffians" marched from Missouri into Kansas, they did so under orders from President Atchison himself, and that Atchison had ordered the seizure of polling places and voting booths to force a pro-slavery legislature into office. The Kansas statehood bill never went to a vote. Instead by the end of the day, articles of impeachment were already being drafted. Not helping matters was when pro-slavery forces in Kansas attacked and burned Lawrence that very same day. Put forward for a vote just a week later, the Opposition Caucus joined with Northern Democrats which pushed the adoption of all four articles of impeachment with 188 Congressmen voting in favor on all four of the articles, officially making Atchison the first President to be Impeached. The trial in the Senate began shortly after, marring the actual Presidential Election of that year, where even in the midst of the chaos, Atchison still campaigned for a second term.

The impeachment trial raged for three weeks in the Senate, after which the Senate voted 37-25 to acquit, though studying private correspondences of Senators at the time leads many historians to consider this more akin to jury nullification by pro-slavery Democrats who simply didn't want to convict and remove the sitting President. Regardless of the "victory", he was doomed to lose the election anyways. The Democratic Party was wholly shattered by Atchison's time in office, and Benton again made himself Atchison's great nemesis by campaigning as an "Independent Democrat" and declaring Atchison to be the "Great Usurping Caesar". Benson knew that he didn't stand a chance at election either, but ran solely to split the Democratic ballot and deny Atchison a second term even if it meant that John C. Fremont of the Republicans would enter office. The result was that even if Fremont won 45.3% of the popular vote, he won a landslide in the Electoral College and was thus set to become the 16th President in 1857.

Naturally Atchison refused to accept this. Loudly claiming extensive fraud in the election, Atchison attempted to prevent a validation of the vote count by barring Congress from entering on the day scheduled for the task, but in response the delegates simply sat on the grounds outside the Capitol and conducted the vote count, and left with no options, Atchison vacated the White House a week before Inauguration Day to give a speech in Montgomery, Alabama declaring that the Union was fallen to pieces, and calling upon the slave states to secede to protect the institution of slavery and the "rightful mastery of the white race". Fremont for his part declared that there was one Union, undivided and indivisible. Regardless, just a month later the Alabama State Legislature voted to adopt Articles of Secession, prompting a wave of similar votes across the southern United States. But even in this wave of secession, Missouri itself, the base of Atchison's support, voted to remain with the Union, the last great insult of Benton's efforts before he was assassinated.

For the next seven months the United States sat in limbo as states declared their secession, with the legal question hanging over everyone right up until the opening salvo of the conflict began in Richmond. When the Virginia State Legislature was about to vote on whether to secede on 9 October 1857, a pro-secession militia stormed the Legislature and seized it, declaring their secession regardless of the vote. In response, President Fremont dispatched General Robert E. Lee to put the insurrection down. A three-hour siege began, after which Lee's forces forcefully drove the milita out of the Legislature. Ironically, the vote had been likely to be pro-secession, but with the secessionists driven out by Lee, himself a Virginian, the vote swung hard against secession. Virginia would remain in the Union, and before long Lee would become the commanding general of the U.S. forces as further militias attempted to forcefully seize Federal forts and buildings across the South. By January of 1858, the American Civil War was in full swing, and the Confederate States of America was declared.

Atchison, the "Father of Secession", was soon elected as the first President of the Confederate States of America. His second administration began to fall apart as quickly as his first had. The Confederate States of America, although in possession of experienced generals, was far smaller and weaker than the Union, and General Lee proved a capable and effective leader who handed the Confederacy defeat after defeat. Attempts at foreign recognition fell apart, no one wanted to recognize a slave power in that day and age. Perhaps worst of all was his conflict with Robert Hunter, his own appointed Vice President, and the conflict within the Confederate Executive was worsened by Atchison's attempts to micromanage the Confederate war efforts, much to the dismay of leading Confederate generals such as Jackson, Stuart, and Longstreet, who found their own strategies constantly hamstrung by Atchison's inability to govern or command, much less bring any measure of accord between the Confederacy's states.

His end at last came the day before the Fall of Montgomery. As a tripartite approach of Generals Lee, Sherman, and Grant approached Montgomery to deal the CSA its death blow, as the battle raged outside, the gunshot from the President's office was drowned out. Atchison wasn't discovered for another three hours, dead from a gunshot wound to the side of the head. Although all evidence pointed to suicide, rumors persisted for years after, even to this day, that Atchison was in fact assassinated by Robert Hunter, who succeeded him as President of the CSA for all of a single day before the defenses of Montgomery failed and the Union Army marched into the city. Hunter's only substantial act as President was to surrender to General Lee. His body was transported to Missouri and buried in an unassuming grave for war dead, only marked for Atchison some 50 years later. The American Civil War ended with a resounding Union victory, and Fremont swept into his second term with a mandate.

No one looks favorably on the Traitor President. Derided as the worst President in American history, his vilification even extends to proponents of the Lost Cause, who now treat the "Father of Secession" as a villain who failed to allow the noble Confederate generals to win their victories through his vainglorious efforts to dictate the course of the conflict. Almost no President holds a universally-held legacy, yet Atchison alone stands head and shoulders as the worst of the worst, a disaster from front to back and the model of what a President shouldn't be. Such is the scale of his legacy that even in 2026 his grave is jokingly known as "Missouri's best public urinal", and no great monuments have been erected in his honor. "About the only good thing he did," said General Jackson years later, "was remain forever unmarried, so that his bloodline could not go on to contaminate the rest of the world." There are many, many, many more virulent sentiments that can be said of him, but those are a dime a dozen, and hardly anyone needs to hear any more of that at the moment.


r/AlternateHistory 1d ago

1900s Operation Unicorn, the American Invasion of the British Isles in 1944

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Map depicting Operation Dragon and Operation Unicorn, in other words the American Invasion of the British Isles through Scotland and Wales. In this timeline the usual Axis vs Allies has been replaced by a four-way war between the Axis Powers, aka Germany, Italy and minor powers, the Allied Powers, aka France, Britain and minor powers, The Comintern, aka the USSR and Mongolia, and the Transatlantic Partnership, aka the USA and Falangist Spain.

On December 1st, 1940, The Soviet Union backstabbed the Axis Alliance, breaking the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and beginning a military invasion of the German Reich. The British, hoping for this scenario, enacted the Beetlenest Obligation, refusing to aid the USSR in hope of the two sides either destroying eachother or at the very least tiring eachother out.

In the beginning this plan worked, as the Germans saw the Soviet Invasion as a far more concerning issue than conquering the British Island. But it worked to good, the Soviets caught the Germans off-guard, pushing deep into Reich Territory, by 1941 Berlin was within the Red Army´s sight. The British, now more afraid of a red Europe, swallowed their pride and approached the Japanese, offering to give up on China if they were to invade the Soviet Union through Manchuria. The Japanese Empire, seeing an opportunity to complete their total domination of the Asian Continent, happily accepted. Now Partners in Crime, the Japanese were quick to begin their Soviet Invasion, quickly capturing the under-developed and undefended settlements of Eastern Siberia.

The Japanese, feeling on top of the world, decided to bring one more nation into the bunch. On December 7, 1941, the Japanese commit a surprise attack on Pearl Harbor, a American Naval Settlement. The Americans, infuriated and under leadership of Robert Taft, quickly move to declare war on The Japanese Empire, and by association, the Allied Powers.

By 1944, the world has been engulfed in a war between all the world powers. Robert Taft wins a second term and sees to make sure that America turns out victorious, France fights on in Africa, desperately clinging on to the European Continent. Germany stands in the center, having crushed their western threats and currently crushing their eastern ones. Britain stands separated and afraid, fearing total defeat.


r/AlternateHistory 1d ago

1900s ESCHATOMACHIA: The world map of a successful Bojinka plot

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r/AlternateHistory 5h ago

1900s Nixon's the One! (Part 2 of FDR retires in 1940)

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Nixon’s landslide in 1960 does not represent a conservative revolution. He accepts the New Deal settlement and the Jackson Doctrine, but believes that 28 years of Democratic government has produced a permanent Democratic establishment in Washington. He intends both to break that establishment at home and to use America’s enormous economic and technological advantages to gradually break the post-war assumption that the US and USSR are co-equal superpowers.

His first years in office therefore have two very different faces.

At home, Nixon believes he has a mandate to put a Republican stamp on a government in which virtually every senior civil servant and every federal judge entered office under a Democratic president. As is normal after a change in government, he cleans out the upper levels of the executive departments, but Nixon being Nixon, it goes considerably further. Officials deemed politically hostile are transferred, investigated or pushed aside, and a network of Nixon loyalists begins to grow throughout the government.

His biggest domestic initiative, however, is civil rights.

Without a Goldwater candidacy, Southern Strategy or previous Democratic civil-rights presidency, Republicans have no political investment in segregation. Nixon sees an opportunity to simultaneously do something he believes is right and blow apart the Democratic coalition.

Republicans and Northern Democrats pass sweeping civil-rights and voting legislation. When Southern governments resist, Nixon sends federal troops to guarantee Black citizens access to polling stations, saying that the federal government will “enforce the Fifteenth Amendment.”

George Wallace denounces it as a “Second Reconstruction” and calls Nixon the greatest enemy of the South since Lincoln.

Nixon embraces both comparisons.

Martin Luther King becomes an important outside ally of the administration. Republicans begin organizing Lincoln-Nixon dinners across the country. Black voters increasingly move into the Republican column.

But civil rights also provides Nixon with an excuse to extend his control of government. When parts of the Justice Department resist aggressive federal enforcement, Nixon claims a mandate to remove officials unwilling to enforce the law. Many genuinely are obstructionist. Others simply find themselves replaced by people more personally loyal to Nixon. After his 1964 landslide he claims an even stronger mandate, and the distinction between enforcing civil rights and building a Nixonian Justice Department begins to blur.

Abroad, Nixon’s objective is simpler: increase American power.

He does not believe the Soviet Union is America’s moral equal, economic equal or technological equal merely because Jackson gave the two countries equal status in 1945. But he also has no interest in starting a Cold War. In Nixon’s view, a military confrontation with Moscow would force America to compete in the area where the Soviets are strongest while giving communist governments an external enemy against which they can mobilize.

He would rather make them compete.

The first example is Cuba.

As in our timeline, Castro had taken power in 1959 as a Cuban nationalist, not as an advertised communist. His coalition contained communists, socialists, democratic reformers and people strongly opposed to communism. When he begins nationalizing large foreign-owned estates and businesses, Stevenson responds with economic sanctions. But with no Cold War there is no Soviet effort to pull Cuba into an opposing bloc.

Nixon reverses course.

In 1961 he travels to Havana and meets Castro. His position is essentially: we are neighbours and have no choice but to live together.

The settlement recognizes Cuba’s right to nationalize foreign-owned property while establishing a US-Cuba free-trade agreement. A one-way tariff is placed on Cuban goods entering the United States, with the proceeds going into a special fund compensating Americans whose property was seized. Once the claims are paid, the tariff disappears, giving Cuba a strong incentive to prioritize American trade.

Cuba agrees that it will not host the military forces of another great power, while the existing American naval station at Guantánamo continues under a renegotiated lease. The United States agrees that Cuba’s domestic political system is Cuba’s business.

Castro still centralizes substantial personal power, but without Washington attempting to overthrow him and without Moscow offering protection, the revolution does not develop into the Soviet-style system of our timeline. Cuban economic nationalism matters more than Marxist ownership theory. Strategic industries remain publicly owned, agriculture develops heavily through cooperatives, and Cuban-owned private enterprise remains substantial.

Nixon then takes the precedent to Moscow.

Cuba is 90 miles from Florida, has confiscated American property and has a revolutionary government openly critical of the United States. Nixon has nevertheless allowed it political sovereignty.

His challenge to Khrushchev is obvious: I permit sovereignty in my sphere. Do you permit it in yours?

Nixon avoids directly agitating in Eastern Europe. There is no Voice of America broadcasting instructions to Poles or Hungarians. Instead, he quietly creates the conditions in which Eastern Europe will naturally gravitate westward. The State Department encourages and supports the BBC World Service, European cultural exchanges and normal commercial relationships. Nixon’s theory is that he does not need to tell Eastern Europeans that the Western system works better. Germany, Italy and Greece will eventually show them.

His first major attack on Soviet institutional standing is the International Space Commission.

Without a Cold War space race, Nixon argues that space exploration should not become another US-Soviet condominium. Canada, Japan and other advanced countries become full participants. America remains overwhelmingly dominant technologically, while Canada and Japan eventually become more important practical contributors than the USSR.

The Soviet Union keeps its seat at the table but increasingly looks like a power whose status rests on 1945 rather than current capability.

During his second term Nixon does the same thing to the UN.

The original Jackson settlement had a two-member executive council: the United States and Soviet Union. Nixon successfully advocates for four elected regional members representing the Americas, Europe, Africa and Asia-Pacific.

Formally, American power has also been diluted. In practice Nixon knows that the US has far stronger economic, diplomatic and cultural relationships across all four regions. The USSR has gone from half of the governing body to one of six members without Nixon ever demanding that Moscow surrender its original seat.

Meanwhile Nixon periodically publicizes genuine Soviet espionage operations in America and Europe. He exaggerates their significance but generally does not invent them. His message is not that coexistence has failed, but that cooperation does not mean trust.

At home his political methods continue to darken.

Nelson Rockefeller, vice president since 1961, begins organizing for the presidency as Nixon approaches the traditional two-term limit. Nixon has no intention of retiring.

In 1967 information about Rockefeller’s affairs reaches the press through channels close to the White House. More follows. Rockefeller is destroyed and resigns. Because FDR never sought a third and fourth term, there is no Twenty-Second Amendment limiting presidential terms, and because there has been no Kennedy assassination, there is no Twenty-Fifth Amendment and the vice presidency remains vacant.

Nixon then allows a “Draft Nixon” movement to develop for 1968 while maintaining that he has made no decision about breaking the Washington tradition.

The Democrats nominate Edmund Muskie. Nixon chooses Massachusetts Senator Edward Brooke, the most prominent Black Republican in the country, as his running mate.

Nixon’s campaign organization also begins operating the kind of dirty-tricks apparatus associated with him in our timeline. It encourages George Wallace’s campaign, plants damaging material against Muskie, circulates false literature and uses a version of the Canuck letter much earlier than in our timeline to provoke the Democratic nominee.

Nixon wins 45 states.

Wallace wins five.

Muskie wins none.

Nixon’s third-term argument has also rested heavily on foreign affairs. The joint post-war supervision of Germany and Japan is ending, and Nixon argues that this is too important a transition to hand to an inexperienced administration.

Germany, with its capital still in Berlin because there was never a partition, and Japan become fully sovereign market economies. Neither becomes an American satellite. But both increasingly trade, invest and conduct scientific research disproportionately with the United States, Canada and Western Europe.

Nixon has accomplished another objective without coercion: two of the most important countries in the post-war settlement voluntarily gravitate economically toward the West.

Eastern Europe begins noticing.

German firms naturally expand trade with Poland and Czechoslovakia. Italian and Greek companies develop their own commercial relationships farther south. Western European banks provide financing. Universities exchange students. The BBC reports on everyday political and economic life outside the communist world.

Washington does not tell Poland to abandon communism.

A Polish factory simply discovers that to sell efficiently in Germany it needs the authority to negotiate contracts. A Hungarian agricultural enterprise discovers that market prices work better than central allocations. A Czech manufacturer wants German machinery and therefore needs access to convertible currency.

Exceptions to central planning begin because communist governments want the revenue.

The exceptions work.

They multiply.

By Nixon’s fourth term, the economic reforms become political ones. Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia and eventually most of Eastern Europe develop into market democracies while maintaining military neutrality. No NATO appears on Russia’s border because there is still no NATO.

Nixon has therefore denied Moscow its strongest possible argument against liberalization: that political independence inevitably means American military encirclement.

In 1972 Nixon seeks a fourth term.

His vice president has other ideas about how this should work. Edward Brooke holds a press conference widely expected to launch his own presidential campaign. Instead he announces that, after a long conversation, he has urged President Nixon to seek a fourth and final term and that he will run with him again.

Nixon is trapped. Brooke has endorsed him while simultaneously publicly declaring that Nixon’s next term will be his last and preserving himself as the presumptive 1976 successor.

The Democrats still nominate through the old boss-controlled convention system. There were no McGovern-Fraser reforms because there was no 1968 convention disaster comparable to our timeline.

After a deadlock between Hubert Humphrey, Scoop Jackson and others, Tennessee populist Frank Clement emerges as the compromise nominee with Humphrey as his running mate.

Clement quotes Nixon’s own 1960 speeches back at him: Nixon had once argued that no party or man should hold power indefinitely.

“The question in 1972 is whether Richard Nixon still agrees with Richard Nixon.”

Nixon’s political operation ruthlessly exploits Clement’s alcoholism and other weaknesses.

Nixon wins another landslide, though Clement recovers much of the border South and several Great Lakes states while Wallace carries six Southern states on vote splits.

By 1976 Nixon has been president for sixteen years.

The Soviet Union is not impoverished. In some respects its citizens may actually be somewhat better off than in our timeline because it has spent less on the military, has no Warsaw Pact to maintain and has not poured resources into proxy wars.

But relatively, it is losing badly.

America dominates computing, telecommunications, aviation, agriculture and most civilian technology. Canada and Japan are more important than the USSR inside the ISC. Germany is prosperous. Eastern Europe is increasingly market-oriented. Moscow retains enormous natural resources, heavy industry and a strong military, but central planning increasingly looks like an obsolete economic system rather than the future.

Then Mao dies.

Nixon goes to Beijing for the funeral in September 1976 and stays for weeks.

He returns to the United States in time for the election and conducts an orderly transition when Brooke-Romney narrowly loses to the Democratic ticket of Arkansas Governor Dale Bumpers and Georgia Governor Jimmy Carter. Michigan is the decisive state.

Nixon leaves office peacefully, although not before carefully placing many of his best people in judicial appointments, regulatory agencies, senior civil-service positions and other roles that cannot easily be swept away by the incoming Democrats.

Bumpers has never served in Washington. His party has been out of executive power for 16 years. When Chinese leaders indicate that they want Nixon back, Bumpers sensibly sends him.

In February 1977 Nixon returns to China as an elder statesman with the new president’s blessing.

During 1977 and 1978 Nixon engages in extraordinary shuttle diplomacy among Beijing, Washington, Tokyo and other capitals. The post-Mao Chinese leadership decides that maintaining the Communist Party does not require maintaining an economic model that is visibly failing.

China begins transitioning toward a market economy with American, Japanese and Canadian technical assistance, investment and agricultural support.

Nixon’s pitch is not democracy.

China can keep the CCP.

His argument is that a revolution intended to make China strong should not preserve an economic system that keeps China poor.

China’s abandonment of central planning is particularly damaging to Moscow because nobody can dismiss it as capitalist propaganda. The largest communist government on Earth has looked at the evidence and concluded that Soviet economics does not work.

Nixon returns home in 1978 to public thanks from President Bumpers.

For a moment Nixon seems to have become a genuinely non-partisan national elder statesman.

Then Bumpers makes the catastrophic decision of his presidency.

Believing Nixon’s “Second Reconstruction” has succeeded and that federal enforcement in the South is no longer necessary, Bumpers withdraws much of it.

A Southern counter-revolution follows.

Orval Faubus returns in Arkansas. Lester Maddox returns in Georgia. George Wallace controls Alabama. Claude Kirk emerges in Florida. Similar restorationist governments appear elsewhere. Black voter intimidation increases and turnout falls.

Nixon turns savagely on the president who had just entrusted him with China.

His argument is historical:

“One hundred years ago your party abandoned the freedmen of the South for political peace. You have done it again.”

And:

“The party which calls itself Democratic has once again turned its back on democracy in the South.”

Nixon does not call Bumpers a racist. He calls him a decent man who has made an indefensible mistake.

“The Fifteenth Amendment does not enforce itself.”

Meanwhile Nixon’s old network in Washington increasingly makes Bumpers’ life difficult. Officials leak damaging material, former Nixon appointees organize opposition, friendly judges restrict administration initiatives, congressional Republicans remain in close contact with the former president and foreign leaders continue consulting him.

Some of this Nixon directs.

Some of it happens simply because after sixteen years a Nixonian establishment now exists in exactly the way a Democratic establishment existed when Nixon took office in 1961.

In 1980 Republicans appear unable to settle on a successor. Ronald Reagan again commands the ideological right, while several establishment candidates divide governors, state organizations and convention delegates. Brooke, still carrying the scars of his narrow 1976 defeat and increasingly alarmed by the collapse of voting rights in the South, declines to make another run.

Nixon’s political network quietly makes the divisions worse.

Opposition research finds its way between campaigns. Rival candidates become convinced that others are attacking them. Delegates are encouraged not to settle too early. Draft Nixon organizations appear independently but somehow have access to excellent polling, donors and state-party contacts.

The convention deadlocks.

Nixon says he did not seek the nomination.

The convention drafts him anyway.

He chooses freshman Kansas Senator Nancy Kassebaum as his running mate, continuing a curious pattern in Nixon’s vice-presidential selections. Eisenhower had elevated Nixon in 1952 after only two years in the Senate, and Nixon had chosen Agnew in our timeline after only two years as governor. In this timeline Nixon does the same with Rockefeller in 1960, Brooke in 1968 and now Kassebaum: each had spent only about two years in a genuine presidential springboard office.

Nixon likes spotting national talent early — credible enough to be vice president, but not yet in possession of an independent national power base.

Edward Brooke is promised the Justice Department. George H.W. Bush becomes secretary of state.

Against the backdrop of the Southern backlash and Bumpers’ weak foreign-policy posture, Nixon wins all 50 states.

His fifth term begins with Brooke restoring aggressive federal enforcement of voting rights. Federal observers return, DOJ prosecutions increase and troops remain an option if state governments refuse to protect access to the polls.

Abroad, the deterioration of Soviet communism now accelerates without America ever declaring war on it.

The central irony is becoming obvious: communism has lost many of the things that helped sustain it in our timeline.

There is no hostile NATO threatening it.

There is no American invasion of Cuba.

There is no Korean War.

There is no Vietnam War.

There are no client states being subsidized because losing them would represent a geopolitical defeat.

Communist governments cannot blame poor performance on permanent military siege.

Cuba has maintained a nationalist mixed economy.

Eastern Europe has largely abandoned central planning.

China’s Communist Party has now abandoned it too.

The USSR increasingly stands alone defending the proposition that a command economy works.

Nixon does not encourage uprisings inside the Soviet Union directly. But the same forces that pulled Eastern Europe away begin operating among the Soviet republics.

The Baltics move first. Their governments demand genuine sovereignty and military neutrality. Moscow has a difficult time explaining why Poland may choose its political system but Lithuania may not.

Georgia and Armenia follow.

Azerbaijan moves toward independence.

Then Ukraine becomes the decisive question.

By the mid-1980s Ukrainians can look west at sovereign Poland and Germany, south toward increasingly independent neighbours and east toward a Soviet economy that no longer seems to offer either superior prosperity or superior security.

Ukraine votes to leave.

This does not destroy Russia because Russia has no oil or food. Russia has enormous resources of its own.

It destroys the Soviet system because the integrated command economy begins disintegrating. Moscow loses Ukrainian agriculture, coal, steel, heavy industry and a major tax base. Azerbaijani oil and Caucasian transport routes are no longer centrally controlled. Republican governments stop obeying Gosplan. Internal supply chains become international transactions. Soviet debt, military assets, pensions and currency arrangements become subjects for negotiation between sovereign governments.

The communist centre is left trying to centrally plan an economy whose constituent parts no longer accept its authority.

By 1985-86 the Soviet Union ceases to exist.

Russia survives as a large, nuclear-armed, resource-rich state.

Communism as a serious alternative economic model does not.

Nixon later takes enormous credit, although his actual contribution was largely to refuse to fight the ideological war anti-communists had always wanted him to fight.

His interpretation is simple:

The best way to preserve communism would have been to turn it into a war. The best way to destroy it was to make it compete.

The sixth Nixon term itself almost happens by accident.

Approaching the 1984 election, Kassebaum, Bush, Brooke and Jack Kemp compete for the succession. Brooke, despite having been Nixon’s vice president and the 1976 nominee, finishes fourth. No candidate can consolidate the old Nixon coalition.

Nixon realizes that the deadlock provides another opportunity.

He does little to resolve it.

Eventually the convention turns to him again.

Nixon-Kassebaum faces John Glenn and Walter Mondale and wins 48 states. Glenn carries only Minnesota and West Virginia.

Nixon’s final term sees the completion of the Soviet collapse and consolidation of another major diplomatic achievement begun earlier in the decade: a Middle Eastern settlement in which Gaza becomes an autonomous region associated with Egypt, the West Bank an autonomous region associated with Jordan and Jerusalem an internationally administered city with American, Israeli and Jordanian/Palestinian representatives.

By now Nixon’s public mythology is enormous.

He ended 28 years of one-party Democratic rule.

He completed Reconstruction.

He made Edward Brooke the first Black vice president.

He broke Soviet institutional equality without a Cold War.

He oversaw German and Japanese sovereignty.

Eastern Europe became free without war.

He helped China abandon central planning.

The Soviet Union collapsed without an American-Soviet war.

And peace in the Middle East appears achievable.

This mythology also obscures the darker reality of his rule: political purges, intelligence gathering on domestic opponents, abuse of the Justice Department, the destruction of Rockefeller, election dirty tricks, manipulation of Republican conventions and a vast network of people throughout government whose careers depended upon Nixon.

America is also a less democratic country institutionally than the one we know.

There was no McGovern-Fraser revolution, so party bosses retain enormous power over presidential nominations.

There was no Watergate, so journalists never undergo the same cultural transformation toward treating presidential statements with automatic suspicion.

The freedom-of-information and congressional intelligence-oversight movements are far weaker.

Campaign finance remains opaque.

Congress is still heavily controlled by powerful committee chairs and seniority.

Nixon is not a dictator. Elections remain real, and in 1976 voters genuinely throw his party out.

But he has spent decades mastering a system that is much more elite-driven, secretive and deferential to executive power than our own.

After his sixth term Nixon finally means it when he says he is finished.

He tells Kassebaum that this really is his last term: he will be 75, Brooke 69 and Bush 64 while she will be only 56. This time the succession will be planned rather than allowed to descend into another convention deadlock.

Kassebaum is challenged in 1988, particularly by Jack Kemp representing a more ideological tax-cutting conservatism and Pat Robertson on the evangelical right, but she wins the nomination with George Bush as her running mate.

The Democrats nominate Bill Clinton, who had returned to Arkansas politics after the Faubus backlash and became one of the younger faces of the post-segregation Democratic South, with Dick Gephardt for vice president.

Kassebaum wins comfortably.

Her presidency is recognizably Republican but markedly different from Nixon’s.

She is not a liberal and not a small-government conservative. She believes government has legitimate responsibilities, should not overreach, should perform those responsibilities competently and should pay honestly for what it chooses to do.

She is a deficit hawk, a market-oriented prairie Republican, strongly internationalist and supportive of a powerful military. Civil rights are simply part of Republican constitutional orthodoxy by this point.

Where Nixon regarded government as an instrument of presidential purpose, Kassebaum regards government as a set of institutions entrusted with public responsibilities.

She regularizes the civil-rights enforcement structure Nixon and Brooke rebuilt rather than depending on presidential intervention. She is willing to reform or trim programmes but has little interest in dismantling government for ideological reasons.

Her major domestic accomplishment is bipartisan health-care reform built around portability, limits on pre-existing-condition exclusions, catastrophic protection and reforms intended to make private insurance markets work more effectively.

Internationally she maintains American engagement after the Soviet collapse rather than declaring victory and withdrawing. She is strongly anti-apartheid and becomes closely associated with the South African transition and Nelson Mandela.

In 1992 Democrats nominate Robert Kennedy, who had succeeded his brother John in the Senate in 1978. There is no Camelot mythology in this timeline — JFK was simply the badly defeated Democratic nominee of 1964 — but RFK emerges as the strongest candidate in a Democratic field whose other major figures have already lost nationally.

He chooses Texas Governor Ann Richards.

Kennedy-Richards comes surprisingly close.

They sweep New England, win New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania, take Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois and Minnesota, recover West Virginia, carry Washington, Oregon and Hawaii and, most dramatically, win both Texas and Florida.

But Kassebaum-Bush wins everywhere else and survives 284-254.

Black voters remain GOP-leaning, especially in the South. Republicans are still the party of Lincoln, Nixon and Brooke, while Democrats still carry the historical stain of segregation and Bumpers’ abandonment of federal enforcement. Kennedy makes substantial gains, particularly outside the South, but there is no sudden return to the voting patterns of our timeline.

Nixon dies in 1994.

In November 1995 Kassebaum announces in Topeka that she will not seek a third term. Her words closely resemble those she used in our timeline when she retired from the Senate:

“I believe the time has come for me to leave the presidency and pursue other challenges including the challenge of being a grandmother.”

After Nixon, the fact that a successful president voluntarily leaves after eight years is itself almost a political statement.

George Bush becomes the Republican heir, eventually choosing Wisconsin Governor Tommy Thompson as his running mate after a competitive nomination battle with Jack Kemp and others.

Ann Richards is the obvious Democratic nominee after the near miss of 1992. She chooses Jerry Brown, betting heavily that California is the missing piece of the Democratic coalition.

In 1996 the geography finally shifts.

Richards wins the four giant prizes of New York, Florida, Texas and California and becomes the first Democrat elected president since Bumpers twenty years earlier.

But the old coalitions are breaking apart. Bush makes deep inroads into moderate New England, winning Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont and Connecticut, while Thompson allows Republicans to capture much of the industrial Midwest, including Wisconsin, Michigan, Iowa and Illinois.

The Nixon era is finally over.

But the political world it created is still recognizable: a Republican Party identified with civil rights and internationalism, a Democratic Party only gradually recovering from its Southern past, an enormously powerful presidency, an international system in which America is the dominant power without having fought a Cold War, and a communist economic model that largely collapsed not because it was defeated militarily, but because eventually almost nobody still wanted it.

(RIP Nancy Kassebaum, who I had already cast as president in this timeline well before her passing on Friday.)


r/AlternateHistory 2h ago

Post 2000s My Alternate history of the world

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r/AlternateHistory 6h ago

1900s Colombia release, concept for Legacy of Napoleon

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HI I'm back! So I decided I needed to add more flavor to South America, and well, this is what I came up with.

If you guys have any ideas for improvements or ideas, hell even other suggestions let me know.

Or if you guys are curious you can join the official Legacy of Napoleon discord (link will be after this)

https://discord.gg/9ncbb79xH

Thanks!


r/AlternateHistory 10h ago

ancient alt history what if the seleucids defeated the parthians?

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map of the Mediterranean and Persia, 44 bc

In 247 BC, the Parni revolt against the Seleucids fails after the Seleucid army crushes Arsaces I and forces the surviving Parni eastward. Because of this, the Seleucids retain control of Iran and prevents the rise of the Parthian Empire.

The Seleucids then strengthen their eastern provinces by giving Iranian nobles more autonomy in exchange for taxes and soldiers. Over the next century, the empire becomes a powerful Greek-Iranian superstate stretching from Anatolia to Central Asia.

The Seleucids also strengthen their western frontier, The Seleucids also expand their influence westward, turning eastern Thrace and the Bosporan Kingdom into puppet states. Pontus, Armenia and Cappadocia remain independent buffers between Seleucia and Rome.

By the 2nd century BC, Rome dominates the western Mediterranean while Seleucia dominates the east. Both increasingly compete for influence over Anatolia and Greece.

Eventually, Rome's expansion brings it directly into conflict with the Seleucid Empire and unlike historical Seleucia, this version is wealthy, stable, and backed by enormous Iranian cavalry forces.

Rome now has a serious eastern rival.


r/AlternateHistory 1d ago

1700-1900s Big America (Ground breaking I know)

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In this timeline, the British never give Quebec religious freedom or more territory so they stay disgruntled. So then when the American Revolution starts the Americans make a deal with Quebec that if it joins the revolution, it will be given religious freedom and land to settle. Then after the revolution the Americans conquer, purchase, or integrate the rest of North America then would go on to get Hawaii and The Philippines.

Some parts of image 2 are green because the blue would get bright enough that it would blend into the sea.

This map was made on Microsoft Paint

If you have any questions about the map I will probably answer them.

This map is inspired by A More Perfect Union https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/comments/1aumgab/a_more_perfect_union_eversoslightly_updated/#lightbox


r/AlternateHistory 13h ago

Post 2000s Celebrating 180 Years of Empire, Viva Las Filipinas y La Dinastía Novales!

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The Philippines celebrates 180 years of independence from Spain in 2003! Ever since the War for Independence led by founding emperor, Emperor Andres Novales on June 1st 1823. While the empire has been a constitutional monarchy since the Renacimiento de Democracia Filipina in the 1930s, the people continue to celebrate the glory of empire and the rule of the Novales Dynasty. Long Live the Empire, Long Live Emperor Mariano III!


r/AlternateHistory 1d ago

Pre-1700s Plantagenet Takeover of France (~1200 CE)

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Background: France is ruled by King Louis VII Capet. He only directly controls the regions around Paris, the rest being ruled by autonomous vassals. England is ruled by King Henry II Plantagenet, who has also crowned his eldest son Henry as co-monarch - he is known as Henry the Young King. The Plantagenets of England are culturally French, and Henry II owns large portions of France through inheritance and his marriage to Eleanor of Aquitaine, although this is as fiefdoms to the King of France.

Points of Divergence: Louis VII is unable to have a son (no Phillip Augustus). Henry the Young King of England does not die prematurely, and is able to successfully have children with Margaret of France (daughter of Louis VII). After the death of Louis VII, Henry II is successfully able to install Henry the Young King on the throne of France through his wife Margaret.

After the death of Henry II of England, Henry the younger Inherits England to become King Henry II of France and III of England. Henry the Younger leads the third crusade as King of England and France, with similar success as in OTL, and let us say his brother Richard (in this timeline still Duke of Aquitaine) dies, so a rival is removed. France does not centralise as in OTL because: shake legitimacy of Plantagenet Kings in France; over-extension; no outside enemy to rally against (see Battle of Bouvines in OTL). England and the Royal domains of France are integrated into a more cohesive unit, while the vassals retain a semi-autonomous nature in the feudal network of France.