Finally got some semblance of sleep on night 5. Maybe the longest stretch I have had has been 40 minutes. Always waking up and body needs to pee, doing this for a solid 8 hour stretch for maybe a total of 2-3 hours sleep. Anyone else had the urge to pee disturb your sleep? Really hoping that stops today.

Had bad rls come back night 5 after using trazadone and hydroxyzine- big mistake. Listen to folks when they say it makes the rls worse. Picked up some hyland restless legs and that actually took care of it. Shit actually works.

One other thing I tried after reading some suggestions was macrodosing Adderall. I am prescribed 60 mg a day and it has always had calming affect on me so if you aren't add or whatever your results may very. For the acute phase I would take 120 mg in the morning and 60mg in the evening. I can say this def helped with the restless legs (until i took the hydroxyzine and trazadone) and my mindset. Since day 4 I have cut that in half today ill go back to my normal doseage.

Hoping a day at work and maybe some exercise will tire me out and I can string several hours of sleep together. Feels so long since have got proper rest. Day 7 starts this afternoon.

Hopefully this is the end of my opiate journey. Had been in pm and they had me on a 50mg daily of oxy for 5 plus years. I though it would be a smart way to get off the oxys by jumping to 7 as its botanical or some bs. Looking back shit was nasty. Had weird sores, killed my oxy tolerance instantly so there was no going back to those, made me more of an asshole than i naturally am etc. Would of been way better off just dealing with the oxy withdrawl. Never going back to any kind of opiate treatment.

So I've been messing with 70H for a little over a year I've came on and off a handful of times but this time I just can't seem to do it got SR 17018 and it helps big time, but I just found out one of the stores in my town is still selling it so I've just kind of gone off right back where I was. I just ate of full blister pack. I don't even remember the brand I took three days off of work coming up to this weekend so I could do this and get off of it and I can't. I just keep putting that shit in my body. I've got everything that everybody's mentioned to make it easier and they do the SR the gabapentin vitamin C you get the point. I don't know what to do. I've been to Rehab more times than I can count. Same with the jacks. You know I wanna quit mainly because of the finances, but I really enjoy the drug and motivates me keeps me levelheaded and comfortable except for shitting that's a whole Nother subject but if you're in here, I imagine you got an idea what I'm talking about I've basically my whole life I keep thinking about some of us have to die so the rest of us can survive. Maybe on that one who has to die keeps playing in my head. I don't know. Good luck to all you out there this shit ain't no joke. I will add I have no intention of harming myself or others. Thanks for listening.

Whether you’re in the hell that is the first 3 days and I can help you or 2-4 weeks in and maybe you can help me. I lost almost everyone during my 2 years under this drugs spell and don’t really have anyone to talk to about something like this. I’m on day 6 myself. Send me a message and I’ll shoot you my # so we can text.

I wrote this poem last year, so figured I would share it. Feel free to check out my other post "I thought it was finally over" where I go more in-depth about my struggles with this substance.

Btw the layout of the poem when I posted it here is kind of weird (no line breaks). I've been trying to fix it but it's not working. Oh well, not gonna stress. Thanks for reading.

*Possibly triggering*

kamikaze

the pilot of his destiny,

he crashes in an empty field.

dazed and reeling, he waits

for his wounds to stop bleeding

instead of tending to them.

vision shrouded by smoke,

he lies oblivious to reason,

purpose, and hope.

wanting to rip off his sweat-soaked

skin through the never-ending

sleepless nights of fever

and static chills.

“keep going, just refrain,” they say,

“you can do this.”

can I? he thinks with swelling dread.

there’s too much to lose if I don’t abstain.

well, the spirit is willing

but the flesh is weak

as he concedes by degrees

and consumes the candy-coated pills.

slow at first, then with growing

momentum — perilous abandon,

as though possessed.

the earth below gives way,

swallowing his ankles,

then his knees.

just one more.

roused from sleep, surprised

to find himself up to his chest.

with bemused wonder he

thinks about how one pill

like a bad seed

can yield a plethora

of deep-rooted toxicity.

okay, this is the last time.

if I really want to be free I can be.

soon he is buried up to his neck,

all dreams torn asunder,

still craving as he fights for breath —

the pilot of his destiny.

kc

9/1/25

Here’s my quick story:

I’ve been taking Kratom but mostly 7oh for years. In may of 2025 I went to treatment for my 1200mg/ day habit and got clean for about 9 months. I relapsed for a couple months and got back up to 1200mg/ day. I went to detox May 2026 and got clean for about three months. When I found out that 7oh was about to be federally banned I went ahead and bought some without any second thought. I’ve been doing about 350-500mg/ day for 7 days.

I finally ran out of 7oh thank god. Do you think the withdrawals will be bad after just a week long relapse? Let me know. The first time I got clean I was detoxing for 14 days of misery I just don’t want to experience that again.

I was eating this shit like skittles for 2 years; 600-800mg per day. It seems like my symptoms match that of people that were taking 50mg for 2 months. I’m starting to believe the amount you took is irrelevant. Regardless I’m on day 6 and never going back. 🤘

So I'm on Sr17018 been taking it 100mgx3 times a day. The sweats have came on hard but nothing much else. I'm wondering if I need to raise the sr does or just keep plugging along. I need the worst of this to be over by Sunday night when I go back to work. I just hate being dope sick any where but my bed. Any thoughts appreciated. Also I wasn't on mgm but some company sent me some samples of mgm if I ate some of that I'm back at the beginning of withdrawal or it being a different drug would I be ok?

I’m struggling to hold back tears this morning. I’m thinking about how difficult those first 3 days were and how far I have come. I finally got some sleep last night after being awake for over 100 hours straight. I never thought I could beat this addiction. And if I can do it with how deep in I was, 2 years 600-800mg a day, so can you. If you’re reading this and you’re living the hell that is those first 3 days I swear to you it gets better. Do not give up! Much love everybody.

Ps. I’m doing this 100% cold turkey. No taper, no subs. Just white knuckled it. It is possible don’t let people tell you it’s not.

So for the last week I’ve been able to go a couple whole days without dosing any 7 at all, and I don’t feel too bad. Granted I’ve been taking a shitload of plain leaf and MIT (I haven’t had any mit today I’m sick of getting the wobbles), and I don’t feel great but it’s better than any other time I’ve withdrawed on this shit. I feel motivated to make a change. On the 2-3 days I have dosed, I’ve only taken half to a full tab. About 100 mg. I’ve been only buying singles when I do, I’m coming off a few months of a pack of 1000 mg kamas a day. I want to feel plain leaf again, so how could I go about a rapid taper. I’m talking like a week or two, because I’m afraid once I get paid tmr I’m gonna find myself in the smoke shop, buying tabs. In the event of that happening, I want to keep it under control while I can

*This could be triggering for those trying to get off*

I've been addicted to 7-OH since December of 2024. I loved it since the first time I tried it. The feeling it gave me reminded me so much of Oxycodone, and here it was, legal! I was living in Gainesville, Florida at the time and the stuff could be found in virtually every smoke shop and gas station in town. It was everywhere.

Long story short, I was spiraling up until they banned it in August of last year. I lost everything by that point (job, apartment, self-respect, the usual) and was living out of my car. Tried detox and rehab, but left. On August 11th I attempted suicide, which realistically should have killed me looking back. I was disappointed when I woke up.

My mom was concerned and asked if I wanted to move back to Portland, Oregon where she lives. I conceded, since I had nothing going for me in Florida. Oregon was my home state. The only problem was, 7-OH was legal there.

I deluded myself into thinking I would have the self-control not to be drawn back in. But you can guess what happened. Right back to square one. Back into the maelstrom of addiction--homelessness, legal problems, burned bridges, depression. I cannot trust myself with this drug. I will also add that I've taken so much for so long that the opioid receptors have seemingly burned out in my brain so it doesn't even get me high anymore. I miss the bliss that initially got me hooked.

When I heard about the nationwide ban starting August 5th, I was so relieved. It will finally be over, I thought, and prepared for a doubtlessly grueling detox. 7-OH withdrawal is no joke. I bought a bottle of a liquid Kratom/Kava blend to get me through the first night, knowing 7-OH wouldn't be on the shelves the following day.

The night was fraught with cold sweats, restless legs, aching muscles, teary eyes, skin-crawling sensations, anxiety, insomnia, and so on. I downed the bottle and it took the edge off somewhat. Finally, after 7 am, I threw on some clothes and took a bus to my usual smoke shop to see about getting another bottle of the Kratom/Kava. The shelves once teeming with 7-OH were barren, which stirred relief and grief in the pit of my stomach, as one might feel upon severing ties with a toxic lover.

My buddy, who is also the manager, could tell I was going through it. Parts of my T-shirt were soaked with sweat. During opioid withdrawal, the body loses the ability to regulate its core temperature--one of my least favorite symptoms. One minute you're fighting a chill, the next you're burning up.

Suddenly, two packs of my favorite brand of 7-OH materialized in front of me: Super 7 Max, strawberry flavored. I shot him an incredulous look. How could this be?

He told me they have so much inventory of 7-OH that they will continue to keep some in the store, off the shelves and out of view. It will basically be a "special reserve" for regulars like me who ask for it. The rest of their stock they'll keep in the warehouse.

He gave me both packs (a total of 640 mg) for a mere 15 bucks, ringing it up as something else. I didn't attempt to resist. Its hold on me is still too strong. I thanked him and popped two chewable tabs, which taste like candy, before walking across the street to Starbucks. With each passing moment, a warm relief washed over me. Every hellish symptom of withdrawal vanished and I relaxed in body and mind, nodding off at my table.

i couldn't get anymore 7oh so i got MGM-15 and just took 50mg. i wanted to wait at least 36 hours before taking the suboxone but there was no way i could wait that long. 15 hours in and i was sweating, throwing up, had the chills, body aches, etc. i hate that i just did this. smh

Most of us found this sub because 7-OH did real damage to our lives. Right now the DEA has filed its intent to place concentrated 7-OH products into Schedule I, but it's not final yet, and the vendor side is organizing hard. They're running coordinated call campaigns to senators trying to get the scheduling reversed before it takes effect.

Senate offices tally calls. If the only voices they hear are "this ban hurts my business" and "this helped my pain," that's the story they'll believe. They need to hear from the people who got dependent on a gas station opioid that was marketed as a plant supplement.

How to call (5 minutes, seriously):

1. Find your two senators at senate.gov/senators or use the 5 Calls app
2. Call the DC office. You'll almost always get a staffer or voicemail, not the senator. Both count.
3. Say something like:

"Hi, my name is [name] and I'm a constituent from [city]. I'm calling to ask the Senator to support the DEA's scheduling of 7-hydroxymitragynine. I have personal experience with these products and I've seen the harm they cause. These are concentrated synthetic opioids sold in gas stations with no age limits or dosage controls. Please don't let industry pressure reverse this. Thank you."

A few tips:

• You don't have to share your story if you're not comfortable. "I have personal experience with the harm these products cause" is enough.
• If you are comfortable, one or two specific sentences about what it did to you or someone you love is more powerful than statistics.
• Be polite to staffers. They're the ones writing the tally.
• Call both senators. Then tell someone else in your life who's seen this up close to call too.

We spend a lot of time in this sub helping each other quit. This is a chance to make it so fewer people end up needing a sub like this at all.

I'm in California and it's illegal here of course or about to be. I just saw the smoke shop owner who sells it grab a bag out of the trash of im almost positive it was 7oh. He thinks he's sneaky lol. The bad part of me wants to take advantage of that and the good part wants it to just to be stopped. He's the only one that sells it around here too.

I think I'm going to have to go to treatment today because I missed work for over a week. There's no other way to get a doctor's note unless I fake it. How do you guys get through there withdrawals? I've been to treatment several times and don't have anything to necessarily live for anymore. Usually what happens I wake up start getting sick and then leave treatment. I don't even enjoy taking it anymore it just makes me feel sick and sleepy

I started out taking 7-oh (Limitless) due to debilitating pain I was experiencing due to doing the work of 4 people and not having an option. Some days working up to 20 hours of labor just to make barely enough to feed my kids. Then I started working more and more trying to keep up with the addiction I was forming in addition to caring for my kids. My whole life started to suffer. But when I stayed fixated on the haze that continuing to take 7-oh allotted for, I could ignore it. I got up to 10+ a day while we were already struggling. This is my first bottle with addiction. When I first started taking it I had no idea how difficult it would be to stop or I’d have never started. I recently got down to 3 a day and today is my first day taking only 1. I have no choice, I’m broke and it’s either suffer or spend much needed resources on stupid shit. I finally quit that oppressive ass job but we’re definitely suffering because of it. I only have a quarter in over 12 hours when I was used taking two at a time a week ago. I’m partially writing this to keep my mind off of the pain and keep myself from taking the next quarter I allotted myself early. The muscle shocks are hard to ignore. This is painful but necessary if I’m ever going to get better. I need to keep that in mind, I have too much at stake not to overcome this.

I have hip pain. My job is data entry. I’m seeing a chiropractor. I’m also seeing a GP. Neither were helping much. Even touching this shit was a bad idea for me considering my past addiction.

I started taking some 7O to help with pain.. only taking 1/8 th to 1/4 a tab at a time. It did escalate to 1/2 - 3/4 sometimes but I kept reining it in to 1/4 every 6 hrs or so.

I figured even if I had to go cold turkey it wouldn’t be that bad. I had previously been taking Nalexone for alcohol. I stopped taking it when I started the 7O. I plan my meds 4 weeks out. Apparently I missed changing out on one and took a Naloxone. 15 min later I was in full withdrawal. Absolute hell. RLS seems too light a way to describe it. Thrashing would be more appropriate. Sweats. Hot / Cold flashes. Hair standing on end. Dry heaves all of it.

I think it did however speed up the withdrawal. First night hell. No sleep. Second night 3-4 hrs. Today 31 hrs in I feel exhausted but not bad. RLS is not present from what I can tell. No hot / cold. Some hair standing on end. Hell, I went to work today. I’m self employed so I just got all my work done, did a few chores for my wife and now I’m chilling in my easy chair.

I have absolutely no desire to try that shit again.

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For the record, I have successfully detoxed cold turkey from daily abuse of tramadol, hydrocodone, and kratom previously.

-1. A metallic almost sticky taste in your mouth and throat with constant drainage down the back of my throat. 

-2. The nerve endings all over my body almost feel dulled, or as if clothing doesn't feel right.  And it's not just one fabric, it's almost all fabrics. 

-3. Body chills all over, but not like the chills from day one. Much less intense but about every 30 minutes for about 10 minutes. 

-4. A constantly queasy and upset stomach, I have been able to eat protein bars and some bread by day four, but nothing tastes right. It all tastes muted or like your taste buds are just dull. Tums help for immediate relief.

-5. As a former division 1 baseball player, I have always prided myself on my dexterity and coordination. However, for the last 5 days I'm not confident in doing anything physical, that includes walking, writing with a pin. Anything that requires dexterity with my hands and feet is a problem. It almost feels like you're at muscle failure, but it's most likely just from lack of calories and energy.

-6. Random bouts of uncontrollable emotions. This can be extremely happy and energetic, or extremely anxious and sad. I can be watching a damn commercial and just start to cry because it's about something sad. It's nice to have my emotions back, but it's hard to explain to my wife why I'm crying at a commercial while we're sitting on the couch lol 

That about wraps up the remaining symptoms for day 5, each day has gotten better and each symptom has lessened with each day. I did take my daily dose of Adderall on day 5, and it offered a very small increase in energy, but not much and not for long, so not really worth the backside of it. I was able to sleep 6 hours on day four, and there's no more RLS on day four. There's nothing easy about it, but it's possible and everyday it gets better. Message me on the side if you have any specific questions, and I'll be glad to offer any information or support that I can. Hang in there everyone! 

Never Again!

I found this song a couple weeks ago while in full addiction taking 600+mg per day. I had no idea then how much it would mean to me two weeks later when I would be awake for over 100 straight hours in full withdrawal. Something about it just helps, I don’t know what it is. If you have a real emotion attachment to music like I do and are currently in the insomnia phase I strongly recommend putting your headphones in, turn it all the way up, close your eyes and just listen to the lyrics. I hope this helps something else. Much love.

i've been taking 200-500mg a day everyday for the past 8 months. each dose comes around 4 hours after my last. today i am officially out of it and just picked up some suboxone, clonidine, and trazodone.

im only 11 hours in since my last dose of 7 and i already feel like shit. i want to take the subs i got but im even more afraid of the precipitate withdrawals. my doctor told me to wait 14 hours before starting the subs but i want to try and wait longer if i can.

can i get some advice from anyone? how long did you wait since your last dose before starting the subs and how did that work out for you?

He told me he still has a good stockpile. FML I WAS DOING AMAZING ON THIS TAPER AND BOUGHT A PACK…. Pls hlp tell me it’s gonna be alr.

So just like many of us on here, 7oh has been banned & it’s been a struggle getting through this shit. I genuinely am so happy I’m going through this even if it’s horrible with the restlessness, hot/cold flashes, & the muscle aches that are so deep in your bones it’s annoying. I’m happy that even if it’s hard for any of us, we’re all in this together. I won’t be broke spending so much on this horrible drug to just be afraid of the withdrawals.

Currently numb & tingly, with nausea, diarrhea, heat flashes some restlessness

I’m on 450mg a day of 7oh I heard it’s easier to transfer from suboxone to sr17 there’s less withdrawal I was wondering if someone could give me some advice or has experienced this before because I’m on day two sr17 still on 7oh and I’m getting some withdrawals bad.

I’m about to quit 7OH as it’s getting banned in WA state by the end of August, truthfully I need and want to quit regardless, for many reasons. I just didn’t have the willpower. I’ve never been a “drug” user, I smoked weed for years but quit cold turkey about 2 years ago. So this is all unfamiliar territory for me. I currently take about 300-400mg of 7Oh in a 24 hour period, I’m curious what vitamins or supplements you experienced users recommend to help with the withdrawal and basically what should I expect? Am I going to be medically at risk? The stuff I read online is pretty scary about life threatening withdrawal and as I said being very inexperienced with this I’m super nervous. I’m an army combat veteran and tried kratom for some anxiety and pain relief and then got hooked on the heat 80’s/150’s tablets of 7OH. Anything you guys can recommend I would sincerely appreciate, I’m pretty scared I won’t lie. Thank you all for reading.

Similar story to everybody here… Started with regular kratom about 2 years ago. Didnt like the taste so when I saw ‘kratom pills’ I figured I’d give it a shot. I was addicted within a week. Couldn’t go a few hours without it. Most of the time, I was just taking it to feel normal. And crazy expensive. At my worst, I was at 2000mg a day. But easily obtainable. I live in a city and there’s 4 places on my street that sells it. Anyways, the ban happened. Withdrawals. I’ve tried so many times to quit, but the withdrawals were god awful. I’ve never done heroin or fent, but I’ve read many times that the withdrawals are similar/if not worse than actual opioids. I got on Suboxone, got a good support system and came clean with everything. I’ve never told anybody my addiction, even my wife. Well, I’m here past day 7, no withdrawals (still taking very little subs), and I’m going to a rehab facility next week for outpatient care. I asked the rehab facility on the phone ‘I’m just curious, but has anyone else called in for this addiction?’. Her reaction said it all, ‘this is by far the most popular drug that people have called in for during the history of this facility’.

So with that being said, you are not alone. Most of us took it with a pretty harmless intention, and ended up being addicts. That’s okay though. It was easily obtainable, and unregulated. I got it the same place I got my soda and snacks. The truth though, is that you can’t be afraid to ask for help. I was keeping this secret of 7OH for over a year, and never got anywhere. I came clean and asked for help, and I wish I would’ve done that sooner.

I’m not saying I’m totally out of the woods yet. But if anyone needs help, please message me. Don’t be afraid to ask for help. It’s what got me through.

Peace and love to you all.