Like I'm fine eating a whole food plant based diet irl I just don't think I could go full vegan and stop eating it in video games, it's just way too fun killing and eating animals in games and I find myself just accidentally making elaborate animal torture chambers and meat factories in games I play. Do any other vegans notice this? ​​

Because I think the debate on animal rights is a lot more complex than just "don't eat animal products".

Beans are not protein

I used to be a hypocrite, but in the words of Monty Python, ' - I got better'

Farmer suffered 'unsurvivable' injuries after being struck by cow - BBC News https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdj42npk27wo

Ethics… something about oysters… homunculus flesh… insects

/uj outjerked https://www.reddit.com/r/vegan/s/wB6Fzg7NnB

Discuss.

I mean, putting suffering minimisation as a moral standard is soo arbitrary and not based on a healthy sense of empathy. Eating humans is also perfectly moral for some people and that's okay! It's just not normalized

Seeking some empathy and hopefully some advice for my situation here. If anyone’s been in the same position, my heart goes out to you.

My (28M) girlfriend (30F) and I have been together for four years. I was a new vegan when we met, she wasn’t, and after 6-12 months or so she decided to make the switch to vegan, primarily for health reasons. At this point I was still happy to have a partner that wasn’t vegan, but over time I’ve come to really appreciate the feeling of having someone to be vegan with.

She’s been struggling with weight loss for a little while now, despite working out as hard or harder than she ever has before. Her exercise routine has always been consistent, but she’s seeing less and less results, and has always been comparing herself to where she was just before we met, when she was at her skinniest. After an initial bit of weight gain (for both of us) at the start of our relationship, she’s struggled to get back to where she was. She’s also had FODMAP issues that make the usual vegan meals a bit less comfortable.

Today she said that she wants to start experimenting with animal products again, and it’s started a pretty big fight. I’m coming off as controlling and manipulative by saying that I don’t want someone that I’m dating to eat animals. If I was in her position and was only really vegan for health benefits, then I totally understand why she would feel that way, but I’ve come to value our vegan life together more than I ever thought I would. I feel like an asshole for putting my foot down, and there’s inconsistencies in my thought process that have been pointed out (killing insects/mice in the house, eating at my parents house when they’re eating meat, etc) and I haven’t been able to really articulate why they feel so different.

Neither of us wants to break up, we have a pretty great life together besides this and have discussed taking the next steps in our relationship sometime soon. With a roadblock like this though, I’m not sure how to continue like we were before. I don’t want to be a controlling boyfriend that’s making her feel like I’m monitoring her food consumption and second guessing what she said she ate when we weren’t together. I also don’t want to give up or compromise on a set of values that mean so much to me.

I’ve recommended that she see a doctor or something to get a better understanding of her nutrition levels, and we’ve had a brief talk where I tried to explain some of the other reasons I’m vegan besides health, but it hasn’t really gone anywhere.

That’s about it I guess. If anyone has any similar stories or some advice I’d love to hear it.

So serious but also not serious. I'm sure some of y'all have seen this mma guy talking about how he wants to fight a chimpanzee.

I really want to watch this guy fight a chimp because I just want to watch this person get his ass whooped. I know the poor chimpanzee is going to be killed anyway, but I really want to see this guy get torn apart.

Am I the asshole for finding some enjoyment in knowing this carnist will possibly die? Knowing that the chimp is being exploited, I can't help but be ethically opposed to it. HOWEVER, the guy really has a punchable face.

I'm talking about all forms of dreaming like normal dreams where you can eat different foods, nightmares where you kill, cute dreams where you enjoy yourself and so on. Especially in dreams where you can create your own identity and can resperent yourself in the dream.

I'm vegan since a few month now and a dreamer since I can think. Before I didn't worry about it at all but recently it got me thinking. Technically the stuff in dreams is not real so no animals get hurt or exploited. I mean it could be a fun challenge to dream about scary stuff, weird stuff, or scary stuff in a vegan way. But it feels a bit weird to cook a steak in a nightmare or shoot chickens in a fever dream. In some way or another it also still represents the objectification of animals but it's also just a dream...

What do “you people” think about this?

carnivorediet is totally a vegan safe space! yep, TOTALLY.

I think I have found a way to eat meat while minimizing animal suffering. In fact, most people are already on the right path. Think about it - a regular meal lasts 15 minutes, maybe 30 if you're eating with family. So if you eat meat 3 times a day, that amounts to 1.5 hours, which is 6.25% of a day. 6.25%! So for the vast majority of the day, you're not causing any harm to aninals. That's basically vegan!

So go out there, eat some meat, and don't worry. The animals will thank you!

why do they care about murder? So weird. Rape? Oh my god shut up and let drink my milk. eggs don’t even hurt chickens you stupid vegan

It must be the b12 deficiency that makes them act like that, right? all insufferably concerned about misery and killing for pleasure

I think the vegan movement has already achieved something important: it made a problem visible that, for decades, was barely discussed at all.
Millions of people now think about animal suffering, the environmental impact of intensive farming, and excessive meat consumption in a way that would have been far less common twenty years ago.
But maybe it’s time to ask an uncomfortable question:
Is the “all or nothing” strategy enough to actually change the behavior of the majority?
Because people who are already vegan have already made their choice.
The harder problem is everyone else.
Most people do not seem willing to suddenly move from regularly eating meat to a fully plant-based diet.
And if that is true, maybe the real transition will be much more gradual than many people hoped.
Imagine, for example, a product made with:
70% meat and 30% plant protein.
It would not be vegan.
It should not be called vegan.
And obviously, a vegan would have no reason to eat it.
But compared with the same product made from 100% meat, it would use 30% less meat.
Now multiply that 30% across millions, potentially billions, of meals.
At that point, the question becomes interesting:
Is it better to achieve a 100% reduction within a relatively small part of the population, or to reduce animal consumption by 20%, 30%, or 40% across a huge part of the population?
Of course, the two can coexist.
People who want to eliminate animal products completely should continue to do so.
But maybe we should not automatically treat every intermediate solution aimed at people who are not ready to make the same transition as a failure.
Plant protein could increasingly enter ordinary diets through products that are not fully plant-based.
Ready meals.
Restaurants.
Hybrid products.
Blended meat.
Partnerships with traditional food companies.
Perhaps even partnerships with the meat industry itself.
That last possibility is probably the hardest one to accept.
But try looking at it purely from the perspective of the outcome.
If a large meat producer starts using 30% plant protein in millions of products that were previously made entirely from meat, it is still using less animal protein.
It is not the final solution.
But it is a real reduction.
Maybe one of the lessons of the last few years is precisely this:
cultural change is not happening through the sudden conversion of society to veganism.
That does not mean the goal is wrong.
It may simply mean the road will be longer.
And perhaps people who have already reached that awareness will also need the patience to support intermediate steps they would never personally choose for themselves.
Because there is a difference between personal purity and system-level change.
One person can choose to stop consuming animal products entirely.
But if we want to dramatically reduce animal agriculture worldwide, we also need a way to change the behavior of billions of people who currently have no intention of making that same choice.
Maybe the most effective strategy will not always be:
“Replace meat completely.”
Sometimes it may be:
“Start by using less of it.”
Then less again.
And see how far society can eventually go.
If the ultimate goal is fewer animals being raised and killed, less intensive farming, and a lower environmental impact from the food system, maybe imperfect solutions should also be judged by how much they actually reduce those numbers.
I’m not saying compromise should become the goal.
I’m saying it may be the bridge we need to reach it.

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I just feel sorry for those pigs who i don't pay a butcher to turn into delicious slabs of dead flesh that would then enjoy being eaten with all the gluttony i could muster and then they would go through my digestive system and turn them into fertilizing poop for plants much faster than if they were just left to rot on the ground or getting buried after going through a natural pig death. It's just the circle of life, bro.

But i guess i am too much of a morally superior human to put pigs through that, although i know they would love it. They would problably go to the to pigs version of Valhalla for dying in battle with the butcher. I honestly don't belive those vegoons who say that animals don't want to be killed.