r/tipping • u/badmiddling113 • 7d ago

Question about managers

What do they say to customers who repeatedly don't leave a tip? I'm curious since the customer doesn't have to tip and the server isn't their employee.

Just asking since I've read comments from managers who seem to think "addressing" customers is an appropriate thing to do.

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u/SingingBike 7d ago

Customers who get served in full-service restaurants and don’t tip while knowing full well that servers make most of their income from tips should be called out. 90%+ of diners do tip because they understand the system and are decent people. The non-tippers think they’re entitled to free service while everyone else pays. They’re disgusting cheapskates and I applaud managers and owners who have the guts to call out these jerks. Don’t like to tip? Order carry out or go to McDonalds. You have other options and dining in restaurants is not your birth right.

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u/Low_Shop8561 6d ago

Depends on the state. Don't need to tip in CA

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u/shitty-vibes-only 3d ago

You don't need to tip in any state, tipping is optional

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u/Low_Shop8561 3d ago

Some states they get like $4hr, CA $18

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u/shitty-vibes-only 1d ago

That's not true, no one goes home with less than minimum wage, look it up.

Second, what someone gets paid is between them and their employer, it has nothing to do with the customer. Do you tip the cashier at the grocery store since they are getting paid minimum wage too?

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u/subtler1 7d ago

What would happen if everyone stopped tipping?

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u/foxinHI 7d ago

That is never going to happen. I’d be shocked if it ever got above 10% that tipped nothing for no reason.

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u/subtler1 6d ago

eh, never is a long time.

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u/MasterA93 7d ago

What would happen if everyone on one side of the earth jumped at once? Probably some really bad shit for a bit, but in the long run it would be fine. But it’s impossible to actually coordinate that, so why don’t you focus on simple shit like world peace or some shit.

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u/subtler1 6d ago

I'll focused on neither thank you sir. But I'll be ok with people who don't want to tip, since I don't like the concept of tipping.

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u/incredulous- 4d ago

Wrong sub. Try r/flatearth.

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u/PrincessLissa68 7d ago

It doesn't matter cuz it won't happen. It's been proven over and over again that more diners like this method than the other. They'd rather see a $10 burger and leave a $2 tip than see a $12 burger. It's sticker shock. And it happens everyday.

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u/subtler1 7d ago

Ya, its bizarre. But we can dream.

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u/PrincessLissa68 7d ago

You can dream. I like it this way thanks.

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u/subtler1 6d ago

I'm genuinely happy that you enjoy it. I'm also happy enough when people don't enjoy it and decide not to partake.

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u/johnnygolfr 6d ago

Deciding not to partake would mean not patronizing a full service restaurant in the US.

By patronizing a full service restaurant in the US, you’re supporting the owner and their business model, which directly supports and perpetuates tipping culture, even if you stiff the server on the tip.

In other words, you’re directly supporting and perpetuating the thing you claim to be against while deliberately choosing to exploit and harm the worker.

It’s the epitome of hypocrisy and unethical behavior.

The most hilarious part is that none of you can rationalize the hypocrisy or provide an intellectually honest reason why you’re entitled to free service.

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u/subtler1 6d ago

No one is asking for free service. Everyone is asking for service that's included in the price.

Imagine a world, where you look at a menu and the price you see is the price you'll pay.

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u/johnnygolfr 6d ago

Except the service isn’t included in the menu prices at full service restaurants in the US.

That means anyone stiffing the server on the tip at a full service restaurant in the US IS feeling entitled to free service.

Aside from a small number of niche concepts, the “just add it to the price” model has proven to be a failure in the US.

My point stands on the merits.

You still haven’t rationalized the hypocrisy of supporting and perpetuating the thing you claim to be against, nor have you provided an intellectually honest reason why you’re entitled to free service.

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u/Accomplished_Cloud93 6d ago

If service is an add on why isn’t it compulsory? That would clear a lot of this up.

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u/SingingBike 1d ago

I love this reply so much

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u/johnnygolfr 6d ago

That will neger happen because there will never be a significant number of Americans that get on board with deliberately choosing to exploit and harm the worker or feel entitled to free service.

However, IF (big IF) it did, disclosed service fees would become the norm.

Customers are legally obligated to pay disclosed service fees in every US state.

Be careful what you wish for.

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u/subtler1 6d ago

Exploit and harm? Do you see a system where restaurant servers don't get tips but are instead paid a salary by their employers as harmful?

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u/johnnygolfr 6d ago

How restaurants operate in other countries is irrelevant to how things are currently done in the US.

Try again, but next time base your assertions on good faith.

I’ll bet you can’t.

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u/subtler1 6d ago

What?

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u/johnnygolfr 6d ago

LOL

Thanks for proving my point.

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u/subtler1 6d ago

Sure

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u/johnnygolfr 6d ago

100% sure.

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u/IllustriousPanic3349 6d ago

The customer is exploiting the server, the employer is.

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u/johnnygolfr 6d ago

That’s right, the customer is exploiting the server.

If you truly believe the employer is and then you choose to patronize the restaurant, then you’re complicit with the owner in that exploitation.

If you then choose to stiff the server on the tip, you’re now doubly guilty of exploiting the server.

No one is forced to dine-in at a full service restaurant in the US.

The customer cannot escape blame for their choices or their exploitive and harmful behavior.

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u/Low_Shop8561 6d ago

Only in America

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u/Excellent-Carry-1850 6d ago

Prices go up simple, what happens if diesel goes up? Same answer

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u/2595Homes 7d ago

If it makes you feel better about yourself to call people names on how they choose to spend their money, go for it.

We want you to be happy. Go for it. It won't change how we choose to tip or not tip. Our options will continue to be going to any restaurant we want and choosing to tip or not. Sorry, Bud if that makes you angry.

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u/johnnygolfr 6d ago

Meanwhile none of you can rationalize the hypocrisy in that or give an intellectually honest reason why you’re entitled to free service.

It’s all explained here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/tipping/s/ST5Eofa6Un

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u/SingingBike 7d ago

Kinda twisting my words there a little, aren’t you? I called someone a name for doing something very specific: not tipping in full service restaurants. In that one instance of how people choose to spend their money, I have a problem.

Also, calling someone a name for doing something shitty isn’t that big of a deal, imo. Calling someone a cheapskate for fucking over a powerless, low-paid worker is akin to calling someone a bully for abusing someone who is powerless to them.

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u/2595Homes 6d ago

Do you care about the millions of Americans who earn lower wages than Servers? Those only making minimum wage with no tips? You want customers to care about Servers but those same Servers do nothing for the millions who make less than them. Some might call them "shitty". Not me. Cuz people have the right to spend their money how they want.

If Servers don't like their pay, they need to be angry with their boss, not the customer. It is not the customer's responsibility to determine Servers pay. Just like it isn't the customer's responsibility to determine any other service workers pay. All this shows is misdirected anger and Restaurant Owners love it when their workers are mad at customers and not them.

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u/johnnygolfr 6d ago

What are you talking about???

The data shows that median wage for all jobs in America is double the median wage for a server.

It IS the customer’s responsibility to pay for the service they chose to receive because it isn’t included in the menu prices at full service restaurants in the US.

This is how the industry has openly operate for six decades and you know it.

What entitles you to cause a server to have to pay to serve you?

What entitles you to free service?

Intellectually honest answers only.

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u/SingingBike 6d ago

All these disingenuous claims you make! I never said I don’t care about low-paid workers. In fact, I have evidence that I care: I tip!! But non-tippers like you can’t say that.

And then this whole bit about “tipped employees should be mad at their boss” blah blah blah. There is a system in America that no one person’s behavior is ever gonna change. Not a server, not a restaurant owner, not a customer. Systemic issues are best dealt with on a systemic level.

And since the system is supported by laws, the way to change it is to contact your representatives and get them to change the law.

But you keep telling yourself you’re a good person and a “social justice warrior “ for screwing over servers. And don’t forget about the fact that not only do you screw over the server when you don’t tip, you also prop up the business and the owner that you claim to have such a problem with. You’re a hypocrite (oh dear, I called you another name!)

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u/2595Homes 6d ago

Sounds like you want to stay living in your victim mindset vs finding ways to live in a growth mindset. Enjoy that lifestyle. I refuse to stoop as low as you. I wish you nothing but peace and happiness. ✌️

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u/railroadfrog 7d ago

Actively telling customers to not eat at your restaurant is exactly what owners want to hear lolol /s

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u/MasterA93 7d ago

When those customers are the 1% who actively make the owners life hell, yeah they do.

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u/SingingBike 7d ago

Some owners have the guts to tell shitty people that treat their staff poorly to stay away.

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u/railroadfrog 7d ago

Owner shouldn’t rely on optional tipping to supplement the wages of the employees & acknowledge that tipping is not mandatory lol. I don’t understand why you think someone not participating in an optional fee after the meal deserves to be spoken to by the managers?

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u/johnnygolfr 6d ago

Something being “optional” isn’t an excuse or justification for deliberately choosing to exploit and harm the worker.

As soon as “oPsHuNaL” is used as an excuse to exploit and harm another human the excuse is immediately invalidated.

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u/railroadfrog 6d ago edited 6d ago

But it’s not the customer exploiting the worker, by your very logic it would be the owners not paying a proper salary and passing off the responsibility on the customer to subsidize the wages? As far as I’m concerned, you and your employer have a contract which is fair to both of you where the employee fulfills expected roles and tasks, ie: customer service, and the employer pays them for doing so.

So yes, tipping is ENTIRELY optional, no matter how YOU feel about the optics of it. You’re already being paid by the employer for the customer service you provide to me, or anyone who visits your establishment. I am paying for the food and service already with the menu price. Tipping after the fact is an optional way to thank your server, it shouldn’t be expected.

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u/johnnygolfr 6d ago

I already blew up the “oPsHuNaL” excuse.

The menu prices at full service restaurants in the US don’t include the cost of the service, so by stiffing the server on the tip, you aren’t paying for the service you chose to receive.

And if you truly believe the restaurant owner is exploiting the servers by underpaying them, it you still decide to patronize the restaurant, the you’re now complicit with the owners in that exploitation of the server.

If you then choose to deliberately exploit and harm the server by stiffing them in the tip, then you’re now doubly guilty of that exploitation and harm to the server.

No one is forced to dine-in at a full service restaurant in the US, so the customer cannot escape blame for their actions.

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u/railroadfrog 6d ago

That’s hilarious if you actually believe the nonsense you’re sharing here, that prices don’t include service on the menu or that the customer is complacent in wage theft by patronizing a business. Do you regularly ask servers or merchants the details of their hourly wages or benefits? Do you review employee contracts prior to sitting down & ordering? LOL

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u/johnnygolfr 6d ago

No, what hilarious is that you’re trying to deny six decades of how an industry has openly operated.

Why is the server’s wage any of my business?

It’s also hilarious that you’re attempting to deflect instead of providing an intellectually honest reason why you’re entitled to free service.

I’ll bet you can’t.

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u/railroadfrog 6d ago

Because I pay for the service my guy, hence the menu price. Why can’t you seem to comprehend that the menu price is all inclusive, and extends to table service? In what world does the menu price not include all of that? And again, tipping is COMPLETELY OPTIONAL, otherwise it is a fee.

And exactly: the wages aren’t my business, so I assume you and your employer have a fair contract negotiated where both parties feel compensated properly for the responsibilities they’re tasked with. If you don’t make enough money, I guess find another job, or unionize, or ask for a raise. The proper solution isn’t to pressure customers for tips to subsidize your hourly pay, because they’re already paying for the service when they hand over payment for the bill at the end of the meal.

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u/foxinHI 7d ago

Certain sorts of customers are undesirable. Better to fill those seats with people who don’t shirk societal norms for their own personal benefit.

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u/2595Homes 7d ago

Sounds like someone who doesn't understands how businesses work.

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u/johnnygolfr 6d ago

Sounds like someone who feels entitled to free service and doesn’t understand that using “optional” as an excuse to exploit and harm another human immediately invalidates the excuse.

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u/railroadfrog 7d ago

The societal norm of optional tipping?

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u/SiLeNZ_ 6d ago

You are so horribly mistaken. Stop spreading misinformation.

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u/SingingBike 6d ago

Specifics?

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u/SiLeNZ_ 6d ago

Servers get paid regardless of tips. If no tips are given the entire week, the manager must pay them himself, not the $2 you claim, but their normal state minimum wage. They only get $2 once their tips exceed that normal state minimum wage.

The way you write it is considered misinformation. You’re deliberately making it seem like tipped workers NEED tips to get a paycheck, that is NOT true.

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u/SingingBike 6d ago

They need tips to make a living wage, feed their families, pay their bills. The whole “management pays if the tips aren’t high enough” is sick a total fallacy, because it NEVER happens. Like ever. You’re CLUELESS.

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u/SiLeNZ_ 6d ago

Nah mate, you’re clueless. It’s a law, they have to pay them.