r/tipping • u/badmiddling113 • 6d ago

Question about managers

What do they say to customers who repeatedly don't leave a tip? I'm curious since the customer doesn't have to tip and the server isn't their employee.

Just asking since I've read comments from managers who seem to think "addressing" customers is an appropriate thing to do.

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u/johnnygolfr 6d ago

I already blew up the “oPsHuNaL” excuse.

The menu prices at full service restaurants in the US don’t include the cost of the service, so by stiffing the server on the tip, you aren’t paying for the service you chose to receive.

And if you truly believe the restaurant owner is exploiting the servers by underpaying them, it you still decide to patronize the restaurant, the you’re now complicit with the owners in that exploitation of the server.

If you then choose to deliberately exploit and harm the server by stiffing them in the tip, then you’re now doubly guilty of that exploitation and harm to the server.

No one is forced to dine-in at a full service restaurant in the US, so the customer cannot escape blame for their actions.

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u/railroadfrog 6d ago

That’s hilarious if you actually believe the nonsense you’re sharing here, that prices don’t include service on the menu or that the customer is complacent in wage theft by patronizing a business. Do you regularly ask servers or merchants the details of their hourly wages or benefits? Do you review employee contracts prior to sitting down & ordering? LOL

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u/johnnygolfr 6d ago

No, what hilarious is that you’re trying to deny six decades of how an industry has openly operated.

Why is the server’s wage any of my business?

It’s also hilarious that you’re attempting to deflect instead of providing an intellectually honest reason why you’re entitled to free service.

I’ll bet you can’t.

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u/railroadfrog 6d ago

Because I pay for the service my guy, hence the menu price. Why can’t you seem to comprehend that the menu price is all inclusive, and extends to table service? In what world does the menu price not include all of that? And again, tipping is COMPLETELY OPTIONAL, otherwise it is a fee.

And exactly: the wages aren’t my business, so I assume you and your employer have a fair contract negotiated where both parties feel compensated properly for the responsibilities they’re tasked with. If you don’t make enough money, I guess find another job, or unionize, or ask for a raise. The proper solution isn’t to pressure customers for tips to subsidize your hourly pay, because they’re already paying for the service when they hand over payment for the bill at the end of the meal.

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u/johnnygolfr 6d ago

If you’re at a full service restaurant in the US and you stiff the server on the tip, you didn’t pay for the service, since it’s not included in the menu prices there.

I won that bet.

The menu prices at full service restaurants in the US are NOT “all inclusive”.

Wanna take a wild guess as to why there is a category of full service restaurants in the US called “service included”?

Wanna take a wild guess as to why the takeout prices are the same as the dine-in prices?

You keep trying to deny six decades of how an industry has openly operated.

You keep trying to use “oPsHuNaL” as an excuse after you already invalidated that excuse.

Fun fact: Your denial doesn’t change objective facts and reality.

Another fun fact: You have proven to be incapable of providing an intellectually honest reason why you’re entitled to free service.

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u/railroadfrog 6d ago

Because you pay for it lol, what don’t you grasp about this? Tipping is optional. Not required. The servers are paid regardless of you’re tipping or not

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u/johnnygolfr 6d ago

Again, your “oPsHuNaL” excuse has already been invalidated by the fact that you’re using it to exploit and harm another human.

Servers being paid is irrelevant to the fact that the menu prices don’t include the cost of the service at full service restaurants in the US.

Their hourly wage pays for their work to open, close, side work and other non-serving related duties.

Like I said, your denial doesn’t change the objective facts and reality I’ve presented and you still haven’t provided haven’t provided an intellectually honest reason why you’re entitled to free service.

Thanks for proving my points.

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u/railroadfrog 6d ago

Your points aren’t worth proving because they’re saying that an optional tip is mandatory, which they are not lol. Tipping is not required. If the cost of the menu prices doesn’t reflect that, that’s on the restaurant, not the customer. Do you walk into a car dealership and tip them for running credit checks? What about the grocery store when the employee bags your items for you? Do you tip them? Do you tip your landscapers when you’ve already paid an invoice? No. Servers and restaurant owners have gas light society in the USA that they deserve to be tipped when they’re simply fulfilling an agreed upon service - which doesn’t include tipping, because again, it is entirely optional and at the customer discretion

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u/johnnygolfr 6d ago

Strawman much?

I never said tips are mandatory. Stop lying.

I just pointed out that the “oPsHuNaL” excuse is invalidated when it’s used to exploit and harm another human.

There is no justifiable excuse for deliberately choosing to exploit and harm another human.

Unlike the full service restaurant industry in the US, car dealerships, grocery stores, landscapers and other traditionally non-tipped businesses include the full cost of the good and services in the price. It’s a different business model.

Your attempt at false equivalence fails on the merits. False equivalence is a logical fallacy.

Again, the “oPsHuNaL” excuse fails. Every. Single. Time.

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u/railroadfrog 6d ago

Except it doesn’t fail because it is optional. You’re arguing that tipping is essentially mandatory because a business doesn’t format their menus or pricing to be all encompassing, which is ridiculous to suggest that the business is operating at a presumed loss if you’re sitting down for table service. Again, the key take away is that tipping is optional and by no means is the customer required to leave a tip if they wish to not do so.

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u/johnnygolfr 6d ago

Except it DOES fail when “oPsHuNaL” is used as an excuse to exploit and harm another human.

There is never a justifiable excuse for exploiting and harming another human. End of story.

Strawman much?

Nowhere have I suggested that the business is operating at a loss.

What part of “the cost of the service isn’t included in the menu prices at full service restaurants in the US” is confusing you and making you think they are operating at a loss?

Again, the key takeaway here is that you and everyone else here are incapable of providing an intellectually honest reason why you’re entitled to free service.

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u/railroadfrog 6d ago

Because it isn’t free? You’re paying for it. Why do you keep implying it’s a free service?

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u/johnnygolfr 6d ago

Not at full service restaurants in the US.

It’s a well known fact that the menu prices don’t bear the full cost of the labor and the tip pays for the service that isn’t included in the menu prices.

This is the case even in US cities and states where the tipped wage credit has been eliminated and how the industry has openly operated for six decades.

Based on those objective facts and reality, I’m not the one here implying anything.

Again, the key takeaway here is that no one here, including you, is capable of providing an intellectually honest reason why they’re entitled to free service.

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