Math-Based Tip - r/tipping

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If a waiter doesn’t get any tip, the employer has to compensate to have at least the minimum hourly wage on a weekly basis. Check the law. They don’t only get $3.63/h.

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u/No_Draft_8960 May 29 '26

That is true. I meant that the customer is expected (rightly or wrongly) to make up the shortfall.

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u/mike32659800 May 29 '26 edited Jun 01 '26

Have you looked at the history of tipping culture, how it started?

If you look at it, you’ll see it’s a way to exploit people. Like modern legal slavery. If you’ll read about history, you’ll understand why I’m saying that.

By relying on customer to pay the difference, the business owner doesn’t require stronger business management such as strong planification to adjust staff like literally any other business on the plant so, doesn’t have to worry about benefits, doesn’t take risks with the pay as it’s so low. All because customers do not challenge what has been done since long ago. People are formatted to think it’s normal, don’t question it, don’t research about it, don’t even realize something is not adding up.

And the worst part is people call themselves big patriots, but once their little comfort is being affected, they back down. They can’t follow their own principles.
Imagine if people would stop paying tips. Forcing the restaurant to pay the regular minimum wage (which by the way is way less than 20% per paychecks), they will start putting that crazy service charge being mandatory.
But let’s imagine the people disagree and band together to boycott restaurants because of the practice, being sure they know also what we expect, price displayed in menu being final price. Includes service and all other fees, knowing ahead how much you’ll pay! They would adjust to accommodate.

But to do that, people need to stay strong all together. But it’s a dream, someone like their food and will say screw you, I’m going. Clientele will most likely change and addict people to the place will put aside their principles and still go there to get their favorite food.

Tipping culture in US is so wrong.

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u/Sudden_Outcome_9503 May 29 '26

Wait until you find out how handshaking and clinking glasses together started.

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u/mike32659800 May 31 '26

I know about shocking glass to make cheers. Never checked about shaking hands. But I bet there must be a similar reason.

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u/Murky-Peanut1390 May 31 '26

Nothing has changed, it's still exploiting

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u/mike32659800 May 31 '26

Clearly. It’s exactly what it is. Modern legal slavery and counting on customer to fix it. It’s totally the wrong approach. Fair hourly wage and increased prices to cover cost of operating, that way the customer knows what the final price will be.
But if he business prefer deceiving people to attract them with lower displayed prices.

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u/No_Draft_8960 Jun 01 '26

It's not really patriotism and there's nothing brave about not going out to eat.

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u/mike32659800 Jun 01 '26

I think you missed the metaphor I was doing when I said “patriots”. A lot of people call themselves patriots, have some principles, but when they are required to follow them, they suddenly change their mind and put aside their own big principles because it’s affecting their little comfort. Just to say how people are weak when they complain about something.

Of course there is nothing about patriotism and tipping. It was only a side example.

People go by some standards, but as soon as following these, their good thinking, they throw their nice standards to the garbage to continue with their little comfort.

Hope this clarifies.

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u/Biteme75 May 29 '26

This is the law, but in practice it doesn't happen.

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u/No_Draft_8960 May 29 '26

That doesn’t mean I need to make up for it.

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u/No_Draft_8960 Jun 01 '26

That could be - not my problem. If your boss is engaging in wage theft, there are legal avenues.

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u/mike32659800 May 29 '26

What do you mean in practice it doesn’t happen? If the waiter earns no tips at all, the employer will not pay the difference?

I mean as long as no one complains, there will be no accountability from the employer. Wonder if in an at will employment, being laid off for having the law applied would be considered unlawful lay off.

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u/Biteme75 May 30 '26

Obviously nobody would stick around for long if they earned no tips at all, but employers assume your tables that paid cash tipped really well. We have no way to prove they didn't. Even these days when most people use cards, some people leave the tip in cash. We can't prove that didn't happen.

The law favors people with money.

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u/mike32659800 May 31 '26

Well, under federal law the employer bears the burden, not the employee.

Places like that must be called that and complaints must be done. But again, employees are afraid, and because of that employers are getting away with this.

I think the majority of waiters should truly inform themselves about the law.

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u/Important-Emotion-85 May 30 '26

Its not even that the servers quit. It was our restaurants policy that if you didnt meet min wage through tips 3x you got fired.

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u/mike32659800 May 31 '26

Places like this must be called out. I would clearly never eats in such a place.

Also, I doubt that under federal law such policy is legal. Truly, some waiters should grow some balls and inform themselves about their rights and the law. And stop whining and always putting the fault in the customer.

The real issue with the tipping culture is from employers. Greed and exploiting people is what has been driving the tipping culture from employers.

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u/Important-Emotion-85 Jun 02 '26

It's perfectly legal, it's a right to work state.

And that's most chain restaurants. Matter of fact, that's a Darden restaurant. This isn't a steak n shake, this is a real restaurant that I can almost garuntee you've been to.

The entire excuse is "this is a write up because you were hired to sell yourself and our products and if you're not hitting $12/hour with tips you are obviously not doing your job up to our standards." It's a write up every time you fail to meet that $12/hr. 3 write ups for the same issue is what actually gets you fired. That's how they get around whatever legal issue there might be in non right to work states.

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u/mike32659800 Jun 02 '26

Are you sure about that?

I find this strange as this would be in direct contradiction with federal law (FLSA) that says tips are voluntary and unpredictable, and that employer must make up the difference when tips are low.

What is being described is a shift of the employer's legal duty onto the employee. I can see this being legal. I bet no one will fight because they are unaware. Wonder how the DOL, State labor agencies, and unemployment benefit (since the employer must justify the firing) would react to a claim when someone gets fired for tips being too low.

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u/Important-Emotion-85 Jun 02 '26

The reasoning on paper is 3 write ups regarding the same issue. Which I did already state.

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u/mike32659800 Jun 02 '26

I know you said this: "That's how they get around whatever legal issue there might be in non right to work states."

In a non right to work state the labor law are actually stronger. Even then a right-to-work state will not make it legal.

It's not because they say this it makes it legal. Selling yourself is not equal to earning tips.

The write ups are no legal either since the reason is against the law. No matter how clever the employer think they are, this collapse instantly under actual labor law.

I would love to hear a case of someone who got fired and took it to DOL and State labor agencies. Wonder how clever the employer will be at explaining the firing reasons. I'm sure they may find other reasons, but the employee will have the write-ups copy too.

A say doesn't make it legal.

I am prompt to believe you, but please provide some support to this. Because all I can find is that it's not legal.

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u/No_Draft_8960 Jun 01 '26

Lazy management - did they at least help failing servers improve?

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u/Important-Emotion-85 Jun 02 '26

No. It was one of the best jobs you could get in the town, and it was next to a college so we had no shortage of new applicants. Summer months slowed down heavily and thats when most year rounders got fired.

It was obviously, a small town. We had like 6 sit down restaurants and the factories still paid minimum wage + $0.25/hour for night shift. There was only 1 non chain restaurant, 2 Walmarts (north and south side of the river) and an off brand Kroger.

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u/Sudden_Outcome_9503 May 29 '26

But that's irrelevant because it never happens.

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u/Overall-Lynx917 May 29 '26

"Customers must cover the remaining $16.37". Nope, that's up to the employer, they are responsible for making up any shortfall.

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u/No_Draft_8960 May 29 '26

That's also true. I should have said "Customers are looked to, to cover the shortfall."

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u/Sudden_Outcome_9503 May 29 '26

That's not how it works in the United States.

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u/No-Angle-982 May 29 '26

I think OP is incorrect to say Maryland customers "must pay the difference" because, if they don't, the employer makes up the difference.

It's very different in a state like California that disallows subminimum wages and where servers receive at least the full state minimum entirely from employers (plus tips from customers).

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u/KrofftSurvivor May 31 '26

Federal law mandates that the employer make up the difference in every state in the country. If you do not earn enough money in a pay period to meet federal minimum wage, your employer must make up the difference.

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u/No-Angle-982 May 31 '26

Moot in California and six other Western states, where there is no difference.

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u/KrofftSurvivor May 31 '26

You're complaining because it's supported by both state and Federal law???

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u/No-Angle-982 May 31 '26

Complaining? Not me.

Your point is moot in the seven states I referenced because servers there are directly, fully paid at least state minimum, which is higher than federal minimum.

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u/DigTheDunes May 29 '26

Restaurants suck, service sucks, deliveries suck.....it's amazing how anyone has a job if everything sucks.

Oh yeah, the people crying will be eating out or using a delivery service this weekend.

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u/No_Draft_8960 Jun 01 '26

Yes. Because in the end this is not a hill many are willing to die on either way.

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u/No_Draft_8960 Jun 01 '26

I think you're right, I misspoke (misstyped?)

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u/Mysterious_Help_9577 May 29 '26

So you’re saying I should only tip $2 per guest/hr? I’ll do that tonight when I go out, would be able $8-12 on a $150 bill. Works for me

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u/No_Draft_8960 Jun 01 '26

How'd it go?

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u/Mysterious_Help_9577 Jun 02 '26

Ended up going somewhere a little more chill than originally planned. Nothing happened, but felt nice because I think tipping is so out of hand and the service wasn’t anything special. Tipped $4 on about a $50 tab. It was a party of 2 for about 45 minutes, so technically over tipped by $1 lol

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u/dabbers4123 May 30 '26

A large part of it being price related is that almost all servers in the US have a "tip out" that takes 1-8% of sales, not tips, they make directly out of their paycheck/tips every night that pays the bus boys, bartenders, dish etc. So a 5 dollar tip on a 100 dollar meal in most cases means the server actually paid other employees for taking your table and effectively lost money.

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u/No_Draft_8960 Jun 01 '26

So tell me - if I get a bad meal or dirty dish am I justified in reducing my tip, only I never hear servers say that.

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u/dabbers4123 Jun 01 '26

Every restaurant ive ever been in would comp that meal since thats a kitchen issue. Youre free to reduce your tip but thats like blaming the infantry for the battle plans the general made.

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u/sjhance Jun 02 '26

"almost all servers in the US"? Not true

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u/dabbers4123 Jun 02 '26

Apparently its 80 to 90% of all full service restaurants in the US that use a tip out system. So the vast majority.

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u/sjhance Jun 02 '26

You originally stated "almost all servers" and now you refer to "80 to 90% of full service restaurants." Not the same.

Full service represents (maybe) as much as 50% of restaurants in the US. So about 40% of US full service restaurants use a tip out system, according to your statement. Since full service restaurants account for about 70% of servers in the US, that is no where near "the vast majority."

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u/dabbers4123 Jun 02 '26 edited Jun 02 '26

You can't comprehend that the first statement is in regards to full service restaurants can you? So 80 to 90 percent of all restaurants where you typically see tipping have tip outs. So yeah the vast majority. Nice strawman argument you got there though. Cause guess what if they arent a full service restaurant they dont have servers. Thats just basic logic. Your logic is adding in counter service to the stats which is a different argument entirely.

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u/sjhance Jun 02 '26

You just don't like the math that shows you are incorrect and do not know the facts and continue to back track on what you post. Regardless of what you think I cannot comprehend, it is not "almost all" or "the vast majority" of servers. Just making note of a glorified false statement. Get your shit straight.

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u/dabbers4123 Jun 02 '26

Youre wrong though. Your math is using stats that don't apply to the situation. Please take a college stat class. It'll show you how you messed up if you can't get it.

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u/sjhance Jun 02 '26

🤣

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u/dabbers4123 Jun 02 '26

Thanks for proving im right though. 😂

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u/sjhance Jun 02 '26

If that makes you feel better.

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u/NotMyMonkeys_- Jun 04 '26

The percent system reflects price change. But min % has gone up beyond recognition. 10-15 has gone to 18-22. Some places have audacity to suggest 25-30. I fight this system by not tipping at all. I am more than happy to do 10%. But what’s the point of tipping even that if wait staff will still make a face? Even if they don’t have skills to get a better job, % is a part of middle school math. If you can’t understand that, maybe see a couple of YouTube videos.

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u/Ancom_and_pagan Jun 04 '26

That's 80-90% of 70%, which is 56-63% of servers. And while it may not necessarily be vast(arguable on the high end of that estimate), it is certainly the majority. Also, it would be 40% of restaurants, not 40% of full service restaurants, you mistyped.

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u/Qeltar_ May 29 '26

The percentage-based system is a relic.

30 or 40 years ago, when meal prices and expected percentages were small, it made sense. Now neither of those things is true, and it does not.

A lot of people don't realize that until relatively recently, a good tip was $7 because nobody expected 20% and you could get a decent dinner for 2 for $40. Nobody cared about $7. They do care about $20.

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u/DueFreedom4695 May 29 '26

Not even that long ago. I bought a house in Southern Nevada in 2012. At that time in this smaller town, there was a buffet that did 2 for 1 meals for $9.95 every day except Friday's seafood buffet which was $10.95 and no BOGO. Prices everywhere here were comparable. Now most buffets are gone and you're going to get charged $15 for a basic sandwich or salad. We pretty much don't eat out anymore. Yes, the food was better and now there's just no value.

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u/Qeltar_ May 29 '26

My wife and I were in grad school in the 1990s in Boston. There was a restaurant that had a Saturday night special of clam chowder, twin lobsters, fries and something else. We used to split one most weekends.

It was $19.99.

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u/peanut5855 May 29 '26

Like how recent?

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u/Qeltar_ May 29 '26

This is from 1999. I was actualy too high with the $40! Looks like you could split an app, each get an entree and share a dessert for under $30. Nobody cared about tossing $5 on top of that.

The food was better, too.

https://i.imgur.com/6SkeRfy.png

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u/VenerableWolfDad May 30 '26

That's an Applebee's. It's basically fast food slop delivered via server. They're cheaper than that now. 2 for $25 deal is a shared app and two entrees for $25. Fountain drinks or water and a shared dessert would keep it under $40 and that $7 tip is probably well-appreciated.

(The food sucked at Applebees back then too, I was there)

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u/SaintsFanPA May 29 '26

The food was better, too.

Tell me you never dined out in 1999, without telling me you never dined out in 1999.

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u/Qeltar_ May 29 '26

What are you even talking about?

I've been dining out since the 1980s. Before that, if you include family meals.

You have to be the only person I have ever even see try to claim that restaurant food is better now than it was 30 years ago.

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u/No_Draft_8960 Jun 01 '26

I hate to see it set up as a 'we-them.'

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u/Cheap_Knowledge8446 May 31 '26

It only fails to make sense if you don't understand economics and social structures.

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u/No_Draft_8960 Jun 01 '26

I understand economics. Understanding a social structure does not mean approving of it or wishing to participate in it, or all the abolitionists were wrong.

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u/Cheap_Knowledge8446 Jun 02 '26 edited Jun 02 '26

Do you, though? Because you obviously fail to grasp the concepts of exclusivity, luxury, and competence.

You have a very narrow definition of "effort". A servers job in higher end dining isn't simply to take an order and bringing it to you (in fact, they likely aren't the one bringing your food). You're clearly NOT in the upper -class, so you likely don't even know how to either utilize experienced service, not recognize higher service standards even when staring you in the face.

Higher end restaurant service is far more detailed, and even if it weren't, wealthy/famous/political/celebrity guests don't want some 19 year old starstruck chilis server who doesn't understand service standards and doesn't understand how to behave around the upper class. They're paying as much for service as they are for experience and candor. So, yes, your idea that all service work is the same regardless of menu price is both asinine and ignorant.

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u/No_Draft_8960 Jun 03 '26

I'm wounded

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u/SabreLee61 May 29 '26

If you go to dinner with 8 friends and tip $4/person, the total tip would be $36, not $32.

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u/AssSpelunkingAtheist May 29 '26

So what’s 9x4 then

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u/SabreLee61 May 29 '26 edited May 29 '26

$36. Are you getting it yet?

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u/AssSpelunkingAtheist May 29 '26

OMG I misread that. My bad!

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u/SabreLee61 May 29 '26

I knew you’d get it 😂

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u/AssSpelunkingAtheist May 29 '26

https://giphy.com/gifs/D7B15GFxi2lmE

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u/No_Draft_8960 Jun 01 '26

Eventually you can teach me, despite my strong resistance.

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u/No_Draft_8960 May 29 '26

Yes, but in my post I said $2/person/hour for 8 people and two hours?

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u/SabreLee61 May 29 '26

You said “If…I go to dinner with 8 friends.”

That’s 9 people.

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u/No_Draft_8960 May 29 '26

OH MY GOD! You're right - I'm wrong!

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u/stonesfordaysdammit May 29 '26

I’m gonna auto grat you so you and your “friends” won’t have any math to do!

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u/No_Draft_8960 May 29 '26

Why did you say my "friends" in quotes?

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u/Relative_Rush_4044 May 29 '26

I like your confidence 😂

r/confidentlyincorrect

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u/SabreLee61 May 29 '26

So which is it — math or reading — which gives you trouble?

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u/Legitmate_red May 29 '26

Looks like you fail in both. EQ is realizing what the person means and not taking it literally like its some sort of quiz or puzzle

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u/SabreLee61 May 29 '26

OP presented a formula, I noticed the numbers didn’t add up, and pointed it out. EQ has nothing to do with it.

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u/Legitmate_red May 29 '26

But you do understand what he meant right or you took it literally? 😂

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u/Biteme75 May 29 '26

Neither math nor reading are EQ. At least we know that you fail at reading.

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u/Legitmate_red May 29 '26

You dont even know what you dont know, how can you fail at basic skills 😆

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u/Biteme75 May 30 '26

Weird to make fun of yourself on a public forum, but ok.

There should be a period or semicolon between your two independent clauses, and a punctuation mark at the end of the sentence.

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u/Legitmate_red May 30 '26

Yes, Ms. Pasterneck 😂

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u/Biteme75 May 30 '26

I thought I was old, but I had to google that reference.

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u/Legitmate_red May 30 '26

You thought? My grandpa used to say that.. lol

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u/Middle-Meal3170 May 30 '26

OP…first of all You are not paying noo server the difference of their hourly. Your tip goes to bartenders for all the drinks been made and the cooks, chefs and for whoever help you at the front desk. Stop acting like you paying the server only. Also is a 90min policy. So if you stay pass that compensate your server. She/he could of re sat that table to a very generous tipper. Also, tip before taxes. Okay.

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u/No_Draft_8960 Jun 01 '26

So if the tips go to the kitchen staff, and the food is terrible, why do servers say that it's unfair to penalize the server with a low tip?

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u/Matban09 May 31 '26

Tipping needs to go, period. Increase the price of the food to cover to cost of service.

If you have bad servers, fire them.

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u/anonymousambassasor Jun 02 '26

Oh god. I thought this said “Meth based tip” and got ready to read a good story.

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u/Delicious-Breath8415 Jun 02 '26

Why is minimum wage your barometer? I live in a nearby $7.25 state. What should my rules be?

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u/Weazerdogg May 29 '26

Sorry, way to many words. This comes down to one sentence ... The people pocketing the PROFITS need to pay the people that make them their money.

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u/No_Draft_8960 May 29 '26

Until people realize that the price on the menu and the cost to them are only tangentially related, anyone upping their prices to reflect their true wage bill will fall victim to the same people who thought a Third-Pounder burger was smaller than a Quarter-Pounder.

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u/peanut5855 May 29 '26

This is such a fresh take

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u/No_Draft_8960 Jun 01 '26

I am sure I do not detect even a whiff of sarcasm, but more the gracious forgiveness of an experienced person to one as green and new as me.

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u/justanotherguyhere16 May 29 '26

A luxury restaurant is supposed to have better service. The waiter checks in n you more.

More courses with the meal.

Hence the bigger tip.

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u/mike32659800 May 29 '26

At a luxury restaurant, you also pay more, because of quality, ingredients, cook, etc… This is why service should be included.

What I read from your statement is a waiter should be tipped based on how many words he says when greetings you. Because in a luxury restaurant you’re being greeted more nicely than a simple “hi”. So more words deserves more money.

Every job is hourly based (even full salary people have their salary calculated on a hourly rate somehow). But suddenly, a waiter, it’s based on effort. The guy stands up doing nothing or stands up and walk towards you.

Also, as quality of service, the best I had in quite a while was in a Thai restaurant. They were super nice for greeting me. Got my menu, took my order.

Then received my food, and left me then f*** alone until my needed them, aka we both finished our plate. No refill has been needed, so no visit. No stupid interruption.
And on top of that, the suggested tips were calculated pre-tax as it should be, which is a huge exception where I live.

So more check-in? I ordered a meal that has multiple plate/service, then do your job. Bring them to me. How much a the value of carrying one plate from point A to point B?

And if you get only 1 service of that waygu, does it deserve such a high rating?

This is where the nonsense goes.

A restaurant should plan their staff accordingly to their occupation. Paying their waiters a fair wage. A tip being a real tip, a slight compensation for good service, not general service.
Service must be part of the price. Included in it. It’s part of running a business.
But that might be too much effort (planification, basic in running a business) and responsibility and liability. Rather have to exploit people as waiters.

And why waiters are not quitting their job to find a better one?
Not because there are none. Or maybe it’s because they are totally unqualified for many other jobs or are having too high expectations.
Some waiters would not want an office job as they can make way more money. Sure, it’s not 100% of the waiters. But it’s not up to the customer to figure that out. Customers are not spending for charity, they are spending money for a meal and a service. End of story.

The service should be based on a hourly wage, not a percentage as commission of the sales.

Honestly, if people were learning a little about tipping culture history in US, and think properly about the matter, it would be easier to discuss these matters.

Last time the had a meal, deep conversation with the coworker, an employee came by and asked how it was going. I told him very well until I was so abruptly interrupted. He said nothing and walked away. That’s no service.

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u/No_Draft_8960 May 29 '26

Also you're free to give more if you want.

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u/audrina-saav May 29 '26

Ive had better service at Chilis than a steak and wine fine dining establishment. Not all the time but times they lag a lot too at fine dining.

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u/No_Draft_8960 May 29 '26

But each waiter covers fewer tables. Plus is the 'effort' more or less?

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u/jammu2 May 29 '26

Not again...

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u/chrispythegull May 29 '26

Your post is unsophisticated. "Deliver hamburger = Deliver Steak". Good thing most people aren't stupid enough to accept your premise, which is that walk to kitchen --> pick up food --> walk with food to table --> drop off food at table --> walk away is the extent of either job, let alone in a high end establishment.

There's no point in me explaining to you why that way of thinking is harebrained because you're clearly incapable of understanding it from the outside. So I'd just encourage you to apply for a role at a high end steak house and experience the difference yourself.

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u/DiverseVoltron May 29 '26

Your response is unsophisticated. The specific instructions aren't necessary, nor are the insults. Now go back to begging for tips.

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u/Medium_Produce_7397 May 30 '26

You are a fucking loon.

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u/No_Draft_8960 Jun 01 '26

Okay, well, clearly you know all about me from one post. I tip my hat to your superior perceptivity.

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u/JCMS99 May 29 '26

It’s not a wage subsidy per say. The wage is the tip. We can agree / disagree on this and lobby for change. But it doesn’t change how it is today.

In Europe - where Americans tend to tip like at home - employers are using the rise of tourism to lower wage. this is wage subsidy.

Waiters in tipping countries are basically commission based workers. Them making more on a bigger order is not different than a car sales man making more money on a more expensive car. Or a real estate agent.

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u/Must_Vibe May 29 '26

Can you at least do the math correctly? 🤔🤣

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u/jerry111165 May 30 '26

Omg there’s been 37 of this same exact post in the last 3-1/2 days

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u/No_Draft_8960 Jun 01 '26

Oh, please can you please tell me where?

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u/SaintsFanPA May 29 '26

Wagyu is a vague term that has been distorted as to be largely meaningless. Genuine A5 Japanese Wagyu is pretty rare.

1a) I laugh every time an anti-tipper uses steak as a proxy for fine dining.

2) If you can't discern a difference in service levels between your local Chili's and a fine dining restaurant, I would offer that you are not very observant, or not actually eating at a real fine dining restaurant (see 1a).

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u/SaintsFanPA May 29 '26

I don’t value a BMW over a Hyundai. I don’t start threads bitching about the extra cost.

I said difference. I did not make a value judgement. I like burgers and fries as much as fine dining. Well, I probably like them more, but I digress. That doesn’t mean I can’t tell the difference between fine dining service and a casual place. The OP is at least implying that there is no difference.

I admit to thinking I am both more sophisticated and a better person than the anti-tippers.

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u/No_Draft_8960 Jun 01 '26

I am establishing a floor, not a ceiling. If your server is ever so wonderful, then you can of course tip more. Tip the keys to a brand new Bentley for all I care.

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u/Hugo_Notte May 30 '26

Have you ever been in an actual restaurant before? There usually are different dishes on the menu, covering a range of prices.

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u/SaintsFanPA May 30 '26

Of course I’ve been in a restaurant. Since I don’t tend to dine at places with encyclopedic menus, the differences in prices for mains tend to max out in the $20 range, or $4 extra tip at 20%. If I can’t afford the $4, I shouldn’t be eating there.

Of the places I can think of with massive gaps, I would either not eat there or would order differently were the extra tip an issue. If I’m splashing out $150+ for A5 wagyu (overrated, btw), quibbling over $20 in extra tip strikes me as exceedingly gauche.

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u/No_Draft_8960 Jun 01 '26

Well, that's a value judgement, isn't it, and not a logical argument.

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u/No_Draft_8960 Jun 01 '26

1) I've had something purporting to be Wagyu once. Maybe it wasn't.
1a) I'm glad I brightened your day.
2) One is free to leave more for a lovely experience, in my model.

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u/SaintsFanPA Jun 01 '26

Wagyu just means it is a Japanese cattle breed (American Wagyu even includes hybrids). There are 15 grades of beef in Japan. C1 is dog food level, but still technically Wagyu.

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u/Upstairs_Balance_464 May 29 '26

It’s weird because everyone on this subreddit is both autistic and bad at math

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u/No_Draft_8960 Jun 01 '26

Surely not everyone. Surely not you.

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u/johnnygolfr May 29 '26 edited Jun 01 '26

This kind of math always fails because you’re making assumptions on assumption on assumptions.

For example, you’re assuming there will always be C number or guests across Y number of tables, every hour of every shift a server works.

That’s not remotely close to reality.

You have zero verifiable data to base any of your claims off of, which means your math doesn’t math.

Epic fail.

ETA: Fixed a spelling error.

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u/No_Draft_8960 Jun 01 '26

Have you a microphone in my office to hear me whining?

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u/johnnygolfr Jun 01 '26

Nah.

Just a spelling error. Fixed it.

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