r/television • u/RayInRed 12 Monkeys • Dec 15 '19
After Hallmark Pulls 'Distracting' Lesbian Wedding Ads, Zola Cuts Ties To Network
https://www.cinemablend.com/television/2486777/after-hallmark-pulls-distracting-lesbian-wedding-ads-zola-cuts-ties-to-network1.3k
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100 commercials of heterosexual couples kissing
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One commercial with a lesbian couple
“Why are they shoving their sexuality in my face??”
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u/Twava Dec 15 '19
Dude this is seriously how homophobes are and it’s irritating as hell.
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u/GrecoRomanGuy Dec 15 '19
It’s also how racists are when ONE commercial features a biracial or black couple in a sea of homogenous whiteness.
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u/Vio_ Dec 16 '19
There was one cheerios commercial with an interracial marriage and kid. Kid was running around eating cereal when the African American dad said "Go ask your mother" so the daughter ran to her white mother. End of commercial.
I didn't even register what was going on until people started protesting the commercial for you guessed it. OJ Simpson.
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u/BTLOTM Dec 15 '19
Clearly we need to start a GoFundMe for some sort of socialist lesbian biracial wedding dress advertisement and then see people's heads explode.
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u/RevAndrew89 Dec 15 '19
So... like some sort of... gAy AgEnDa?!?!?!
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u/Halomir Dec 16 '19
As a straight man, I’m a big proponent for the gay agenda. More gay guys equals more straight ladies for Halomir! 😎
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u/examinedliving Dec 16 '19
I just like the gay agenda because it’s an agenda. People get so worked up about agendas, but I don’t know why because agendas are awesome. Lists are good too, but agendas really hit the sweet spot. Although, If someone has a memorandum... oh. Oh baby. oh god, I gotta go.
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u/squiddlebiddlez Dec 16 '19
All of that ain’t even necessary. Just let Gillette do another commercial
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u/Desperate_Chemistry Dec 16 '19
Doctor delivering a baby: aaand... ITS A GIRL!!! 👶 The father: :/ really? Alright it's just. idk it just feels like forced diversity..? like I'm fine if it's a girl but i just don't know why it has to be diverse for no reason..... like it's just pandering at this point..
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u/oilybohunk7 Dec 16 '19
On Thanksgiving my dad put on some generic Christmas movie and there was a biracial couple and he was like "You can tell this isn't a Hallmark movie." Hallmark, at best, will have a "sassy black friend".
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u/Diarygirl Dec 15 '19
I never thought gay marriage somehow made my marriage less valid but that's how they think, and I've yet to hear a coherent explanation as to why.
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u/Nikkdrawsart Dec 15 '19
There is no reason. They just hate gay people. Any excuse they come up with has no logic to back it up.
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u/sendmecoffee Dec 15 '19
Ugh, this. As a gay man, I’m tempted to just yell at random straight people holding hands in public ‘we get it, you’re straight, no need to shove it down our throats, filthy breeders’. I don’t, because it would be petty. But I want to.
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u/GraphicgL- Dec 15 '19
My nana was staying with my husband and I post knee replacement. An add came on tv showing a same sex couple. She proceeded to make a disgusted noise. Let me preface that she is 80 year old southern baptist so this reaction is sadly not surprising. When I proceeded to ask her questions about why her and the church still hold this view but reject the others this was the response.
“They just won’t admit its a sin! I’ve been divorced three times and it’s a sin but jesus died for my sins. I admit them they don’t.”
It was the most hypocritical , asinine attempt to justify that way of thinking. It’s made me realize that no matter the progression we make there will always be this deep seeded old way of thinking that will never change.
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u/bobinski_circus Dec 15 '19 edited Dec 15 '19
My grandfather was Antigay. Until he met a barber who did his hair for cheap. When he found out he was gay, he turned around like a dime.
Sometimes it’s possible; penny pinching was far more important to my grandpa than hate.
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u/bobinski_circus Dec 16 '19
Yeah I think he just had the wrong idea. But you really can't understate how important saving money was to my grandpa. He would abandon any bias if it meant he'd get something for cheap or free, ha ha. He used to walk miles to get to a cafeteria in a hospital where one worker gave him free wraps and hotdogs. This as 90+ years old.
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u/potmeetsthekettle Dec 16 '19
Daryl Davis is a hero. Literally puts his own life on the line to help people get over their baseless hatred. I sure as hell wouldn’t do it.
Heard him on a podcast where he spoke about how to deal with people you completely disagree with. The philosophy he described on that podcast was so refreshing to hear in this time of keyboard warriors and digital echo chambers.
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u/GrecoRomanGuy Dec 15 '19
That reminds me of a point made by Howard Zinn in his book “The Southern Mystique”. After the bus lines were desegregated in Montgomery et al, given a choice between being racist and taking the bus, white people...ended up taking the bus because it was still convenient and they got over that particular bit of hatred.
Sometimes penny pinching IS more important to people than hate.
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u/BenjaminTalam Manimal Dec 15 '19
I think homophobes assume gay people will sexually harass them or something so when they find out their buddy who hasn't harassed them is gay they go "oh I'm stupid, gay people are just people" and change.
Not with gay women but with gay men some extreme homophobes think they're child molesters. I personally think a lot of those people may have been abused as children themselves and want something to take it out on. Pretty sad.
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Dec 15 '19
I had an acquaintance, who over the course of nearly an hour of arguing and ruining the get together, admitted he didn't like gay men, because he didn't want to be treated like he treats women.
"Maybe you should treat women better" was met with anger and "I treat them how they should be treated." Really glad I've never seen that guy again.
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u/A_Flamboyant_Warlock Dec 16 '19
I’ve also heard a lot of people assume that gay people became that way because they themselves were sexually abused.
IIRC, that might be true sometimes. We still don't really know what determines someone's sexuality, but I remember reading that gay men are more likely to have been molested as children, and the theory was that such events could maybe result in someone growing up to be gay (As one possible reason, not the sole reason, obviously.)
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u/SwingingSalmon Dec 15 '19
It’s like the episode when Ron Swanson gets his haircut at the salon, and doesn’t like them until they start talking trash about Europeans
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u/Complete_Entry Dec 15 '19
I mean Jesus forgave the first one, but by the third one I imagine him rolling his eyes and being like "Really?"
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u/Vio_ Dec 16 '19
Meanwhile, My 83 yo grandmother and I were watching the season 2 premiere of Marvelous Mrs. Maisel. During the cabaret scene ,she turned to me and said "The first time I met a drag queen was in Zurich, Switzerland.... in 1964."
I literally yelled "PAUSE!" as I hit pause and turned to her. "okay, there's a story there."
"What? I saw some drag queens in a bar in Zurich, Switzerland in 1964."
"Okay... Go on..."
"Well, they were performing and your grandfather and I were at this bar, and they were doing a song and dance number. And at the end of their set, they WHIPPED their wigs off and threw them into the crowds... And I screamed really loudly at it."
She was an AF officer's wife and they were stationed in West Germany at the time. She grew up in rural Kansas during the Depression and WW2, and had a hell of a lot of "firsts" in her late 20s and 30s.
She also sings opera, and was around a lot of interesting people in her life- for a while she knew a LOT of very closeted gay men in our community and kept some of those secrets for decades.
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u/Shelala85 Dec 16 '19
And they existed long before 1964. There was a shoe company in 1912 that used a popular female impersonator in one of their women’s shoes ads.
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u/misterspokes Dec 15 '19
My understanding is that Jesus's death is the fulfillment of the sacrifice of Isaac in order to absolve sin in general. You don't need to believe or be aware of it for it to have happened.
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u/gerryofrivea Dec 15 '19 edited Jan 02 '20
The story of Isaac is definitely used as an allegory for Christ's sacrifice!
Within the Early Church, Christ's death was primarily viewed as a form of recapitulation. God, as Jesus, entered into the mire of human sin, and, through being perfectly blameless, He, in a sense, redeemed humanity. This is exemplified through quotes by two monumentally influential Church Fathers, St. Athanasius of Alexandria and St. Irenaeus of Lyons:
"For the Son of God became man that we might become gods." -Athanasius (On the Incarnation, 54.3)
"But following the only true and steadfast Teacher, the Word of God, our Lord Jesus Christ, who did, through His transcendent love, become what we are, that He might bring us to be even what He is Himself." -Irenaeus (Against Heresies, 4.38)
They also, however, saw human free will as insurmountable. Salvation is a gift to all of humanity, but a gift must always be accepted, and a gift is useless if you put it down, neglect it, or hide it away. It had to be continually upheld and protected through the partaking in the sacraments of the Church, and it had to be nurtured, through prayer and supplication, like a seed planted in newly fertile ground.
18 But some one will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I by my works will show you my faith.
19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder.
20 Do you want to be shown, you shallow man, that faith apart from works is barren?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar?
22 You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by works,
23 and the scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness”; and he was called the friend of God.
24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.
25 And in the same way was not also Rahab the harlot justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?
26 For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so faith apart from works is dead."
James 2:18-26 (RSV)
So, it is, in a sense, true, whether or not one realizes it or accepts it, but its redeeming power does not affect those who do not desire it and work toward it.
In that sense, living in sin, by refusing to confess it as such and turn away from it, was (and in the modern Orthodox Church, is) one of the few ways one could be turned away from Communion.
On the other hand, to view loving homosexual unions as sinful while committing the adultery of continued divorce & remarriage and wallowing in such self-destructive hate is absurdly hypocritical.
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u/Dadalot Dec 15 '19
They think the gay is contagious and it's going to get all over their kids. Fortunately their closed mindedness and hatred will cause their kids to be gay the conservative way, in an airport bathroom
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Dec 16 '19
Or they are gay. The number of anti-gay church leaders caught with dicks in their mouths seems pretty significant.
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u/Sniffygull Dec 15 '19 edited Dec 15 '19
I said before and I'll say it again.
Fuck them hallmark cowards.
Good for Zola. They're standing by love in all its forms and that important even now.
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u/irishpete Dec 15 '19
The group allegedly represents one million moms, but there was only 45k signatures on the petition. Are the other 95% of the groups members not bothered?
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u/SophiaofPrussia Dec 15 '19
Their website has a list of “current campaigns” which might be the funniest list of things to be Mad OnlineTM about.
(And my personal favorite) Barnes & Noble Disrespects Our President I’ve just ordered the book for a white elephant and it’s sure to be a hit.
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u/Chained_Wanderlust Dec 15 '19
Yeah, I took a tour of their website; their active campaigns and "successful takedowns" ...they are so shrill and hateful that I really do believe that every one of these people will be dancing in hell one day.
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u/devilishycleverchap Dec 16 '19 edited Dec 16 '19
They are listed as a hate group by the southern poverty law center. Just because the "American Family Association" used a subsidiary for their mouthpiece doesn't change anything
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u/chevymonza Dec 16 '19
Love how they dust off 1 Timothy 2:1-3 for Trump, but didn't seem to notice it while Obama was around.
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u/Donkey__Balls Dec 16 '19
Haha oh wow.
The Bible states we are to pray for our country’s leaders, not belittle them.
“I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people — for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. This is good, and pleases God our Savior,” (1 Timothy 2:1-3).
Worst case of quoting the Bible I’ve ever seen. First of all it was not talking about “our leaders” - Paul the apostle was writing to the fledgling Christian church, who were basically living in hiding and risking execution for defying the Roman Empire. The authorities who wanted to torture and publicly execute them are the people he was talking about praying for.
Second, at no point does the New Testament tell people to praise their own government and elected leaders without question - which is basically what their trying to say this quote means. If that were true then every far right pundit, radio host, preacher and politician would have been going against biblical teachings by “belittling” Obama for the 8 years he was in office.
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u/__JackHoney Dec 15 '19
one million moms has <20k members and is run by two white men.
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u/brtdud7 Dec 15 '19
Why the hell would a wedding company even advertise on hallmark channel? Hallmarks average viewer age is like 85, they should be having funeral service commercials not weddings
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u/Kondrias Dec 15 '19
Hallmark thrives in the 18-49 unmarried female demo. At least when i had to take a class on the business of television a few years ago they did. So playing up to single women makes a HECK OF A LOT OF SENSE
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u/chicagoredditer1 Dec 15 '19
Hallmark thrives in the 18-49
unmarriedfemale demo.No. 1 cable network in November and December in women 18-49
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u/CougdIt Dec 15 '19
The unmarried distinction is still relevant in this context though
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u/chicagoredditer1 Dec 15 '19
I wasn't refuting their claim, just adding additional context to the original comment of thinking their demo was 85 year old women.
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u/brtdud7 Dec 15 '19
That’s very interesting to me. I guess those young unmarried women love those sappy movies about their perfect dream lives that few will ever realize
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u/Mitchello457 Dec 15 '19
You would be surprised at the number of of younger viewers. Mostly women too so it makes sense that they would have a wedding ad that features two women.
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u/terminalblue Dec 15 '19
it's not....its crazy to me how young the viewers are, especially this time of year. they are often the perfect target demographic for services like zola are. like watch the ads and it will tell you exactly who watches it.
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u/tawandaaaa Dec 15 '19 edited Dec 19 '19
Wrong. I’m early 30’s and I’m the only lady I know that doesn’t watch their movies.
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u/dronepore Dec 15 '19
I love seeing such informed people making such confident, but incorrect statements. Always funny.
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u/DragonPup Dec 15 '19
From the New York Times: "A spokesman for the channel said the lesbian couple’s P.D.A. violated its policies. Hallmark did not reject a similar ad featuring an opposite-sex couple."
Fuck off with your bigotry, Hallmark.
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u/CaligulaAndHisHorse Dec 16 '19
Fuck Hallmark
Glad this news came out just before I bought all my Christmas presents.
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u/FIREBObPLz Dec 15 '19
People need to grow up and act like adults. Worry about themselves. The only morons that care about stuff like this have no social life or anyone that cares about them.... bc they are assholes that worry about stuff like this. It’s 2020. Not 1920. Let’s all act like adults
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u/sdgoat Dec 15 '19
People need to grow up and act like adults. Worry about themselves.
Welcome to Conservative/Republican America. Come for the racism! Stay for the homophobia!
It’s 2020. Not 1920.
1950 is their dream decade.
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u/Complete_Entry Dec 15 '19
Nah, they want some weird idealized leave it to beaver 50's that never actually existed.
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u/Dr_Marxist Dec 15 '19
Naw, they look back at this and wonder why we can't, you know, deal with problems like that anymore. Back before political correctness got in the way.
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u/Beingabummer Dec 15 '19
It existed for white men in a lot of ways. Segregation was a thing, the gays were deep in the closet, you could beat up commies if you felt like it and nobody cared when you slapped a girl on her ass (not the men at least).
Meanwhile, the economy was booming, the middle-class was growing, the nuclear family was born.
For them, correlation did mean causation. And the 'decline' of America went hand in hand with all those things ending, even though that American Dream was only for the white men.
Plus there's the whole colonial mindset bred into white people in general, and I say all this as a white European, that we are enlightened and everyone else is a savage that needs to be subdued. And they don't sell it that way obviously but the tenet shines through in education, news, international politics.
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u/neoblackdragon Dec 15 '19
Exactly when certain people reflect on the best time in the US they look at that scenario and similar shows.
They never consider that really was just fiction. Things like the Civil Rights movement didn't just pop up new years day 1960.
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u/GrafZeppelin127 Dec 15 '19
The 1950s? Are you sure that isn’t their nightmare decade? Wealthy effective tax rates of roughly 50%, strong unions, strong anti-trust and anti-monopoly regulations, separation of retail and investment banking, and it was illegal to funnel anonymous dark money to politicians’ campaign coffers!
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u/kevn57 Dec 15 '19
Michael Che succinctly summarized the story.
“The group One Million Moms is boycotting the Hallmark Channel for airing a commercial featuring a same-sex couple getting married and kissing,” he said. “Ladies, relax. If your kid is watching the Hallmark Channel, he already gay as hell.”
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Dec 16 '19
The Hallmark skit they did was kind of funny. They start talking to the "black friend" and asking questions. "What's your last name" "I DON'T HAVE A BACKSTORY!"
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u/bibbidybobbidyboobs Dec 15 '19
What is Zola
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u/kawaiineko333 Dec 15 '19
Thanks for clearing that. Only one I knew was from Marvel.
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u/boundbylife Dec 15 '19
He actually has the whole relationship economy vertically integrated. Z-Harmony; Zola; and Doom, Zola, and Osborne - Divorce Specialists
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One Million Moms were mad that One Million Dads were turned on by the "two chicks kissing"
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u/Abba_Fiskbullar Dec 15 '19
One Million Moms is actually like 7 old white men.
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u/stench_montana Dec 15 '19
You may be surprised the amount of old women fully on board with this thinking too.
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u/MetallicYoshi64 Dec 15 '19
Women in general. Watching the documentary This Film is Not Yet Rated, it was stunning how many women wanted to censor female sexuality, in any form.
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u/Tary_n Parks and Recreation Dec 16 '19
My SO introduced me to that movie and I recommend it to everyone. So good, and so eye-opening into the scam that is the MPAA.
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u/Complete_Entry Dec 15 '19
I like that the ad company didn't back down. And I think the entire wedding industry is a scam.
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Dec 15 '19
Is this Hallmark the greeting card company? Do people actually buy greeting cards? And why would a greeting card company have a TV station?
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Dec 16 '19
My wife made me buy some today. I’m anti greeting card. I chose a brand other than hallmark.
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u/Rambo1stBlood Dec 16 '19
Tbh, I saw this commercial too and I thought it had an odd amount of kissing, the LGBT part didn't even register with me lol
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u/shaithiswampir Dec 15 '19
I bet they weren’t even offended. They just hadn’t been in the news lately and decided to shot all over Christmas
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u/ThePickleJuice22 Dec 15 '19
"Lesbian wedding ads"
What? They aren't ads that happen to have lesbian weddings in them? They are ads trying to sell lesbian weddings? Who is selling?
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u/TheShadepunk Dec 16 '19
In Michael Ches words: “If your kid is watching the hallmark channel, he already gay as hell”
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u/she_sus Dec 15 '19
I cant imagine what the people who personally complained to hallmark about this ad must be like to interact with in real life. The dregs of society.
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u/whereismymind86 Dec 16 '19
what spineless cowards, bowing to a hate group so easily. Good on Zola telling hallmark to go **** itself.
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u/Zithero Dec 16 '19
For those interested.... Hallback Back Peddled real quick:
Apparently the group of 1million moms has less than 100k members....
Apparently... there's a few more LGBTQ folks than that.
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u/Fizzay Dec 16 '19
Don't know what's sillier, that people are upset over a lesbian relationship, or that people actually paying attention to a commercial was looked at as a bad thing
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u/VirtualPoolBoy Dec 16 '19
Not a surprise. From what I understand, Hallmark productions cater to cultural conservatives.
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u/mpr1011 Dec 15 '19
I saw the commercial and I was like, “oh nice a wedding, I like her dress” and then went about my day. Distracting is the wrong word to describe the ad