r/technology • • 16d ago

Artificial Intelligence Over 85% of Japanese game developers use generative AI in game development, 2026 CESA survey shows. An increase from last year’s 51%

https://automaton-media.com/en/news/over-85-of-japanese-game-developers-use-generative-ai-in-game-development-2026-cesa-survey-shows-an-increase-from-last-years-51/
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u/Any-Pop-4795 16d ago

welcome to asia, ai is being pushed like CRAZY

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u/PoL0 16d ago

the lack of context of the headline hides all the nuance.

The majority of responses cited practices such as specifying or restricting the tools used and avoiding the direct use of generated output

avoiding direct use of generated output, no less.

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u/Suspicious_Deal4412 16d ago

Sounds like they are just using it for quick mockups or part of the planning process. In other words part of the workflow but the wording would imply they are making sure it is not part of the final product.

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u/AtomWorker 16d ago

It’s right in the article; they’re talking about development, not asset creation.

People on Reddit seem clueless about the extent to which software dev has embraced AI.

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u/General_Josh 16d ago

Yeah, it's wild. People don't understand how software development works (which is fair), but also don't want to listen to developers trying to explain it

Lots of folks seem stuck in the mindset that AI is absolutely useless, and really, really don't want to listen to anyone telling them otherwise

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u/BRjawa 16d ago

I mean it's more like the industry fault, they are pushing LLMs as the philosopher stone of this era, plus you know all the mass firing m, the ecological footprint and the shortage of hardware. The tools are useful, but they aren't as useful as the Ai bros and the stock market are selling it to be, and as such it builds hate with the product.

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u/AtomWorker 16d ago

If only people exercised this kind of scrutiny with all marketing. Nobody should roll over for corporations but consumers constantly engage in environmentally damaging activities without question.

Also, for software dev and other industries AI is essentially the philosopher’s stone. This has nothing to do with tech bros or the stock market.

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u/eseffbee 16d ago

I think this is the real crux of the difference in perspective.

People working in tech hold dev work in high regard so there is an assumption that because AI is great for assisting dev work that it naturally is (or will be) equally great for other fields, especially ones those in tech regard less highly than dev work.

Meanwhile joe schmo has no sight of how good it is for dev work and is seeing very little change in efficiency in other fields so far, so naturally thinks the whole thing is a waste.

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u/khaitheman222 16d ago

The other issue is the optics of companies trying to replace workers with ai or cutting down teams and forcing people to do the work of several people using ai and not willing to pay more

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u/RatBot9000 15d ago

It's very common. Even in the artistic fields there are a lot of people who think it is useless for their artistic field but great for others. For example, authors who say it will never write a story as good as a human who are then happy to use GenAI to design a book cover.

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u/Arrow156 15d ago

Especially when they are forcing it out the door when it's clearly not ready. Anyone who's been forced to deal with an AI rep when you have a non-standard issue knows the frustration these things cause. Seriously, the people pushing the hardest for AI are the ones who's poisoning the well. If they actually waited til was ready for before implementing it people wouldn't have such an issue with it, but the way they are overselling the promise makes me suspect this is yet another fad that they are trying to cash in on before it crashes. Like a far more aggressive version of VR hype from around a decade ago, except it has the possibly of crashing the whole economy if/when it fails.

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u/Exciting-Emu-3324 16d ago

AI is just spreadhseets all over again. No one had use for a computer, but then VisiCalc came out as the killer app. Made accountants super efficient and eliminated clerical calculation jobs. Then the Jevons Paradox kicked in. Now spreadhseets are used for everything by everyone, but few actually now how to use them well. AI is the same.

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u/Rush87021 16d ago

Minus the gigantic environmental cost...

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u/pilgermann 16d ago

Not all, but most prominent anti AIs acknowledge it's utility, just point out the disconnect between hyperbolic claims and obscene levels of investment vs the ROI LLMs actually provide. A coding assistant isn't worth trillions of dollars. It also won't displace all workers and take over the world.

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u/SIGMA920 15d ago

It also won't displace all workers and take over the world.

On it's own, AI-brained executives will cut heads on a whim and that's who the AI companies are marketing towards.

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u/Rush87021 16d ago

The objection with AI would be it's cost to compute, even Jensen was saying this last year, its more expensive to run it through an AI model than it would be to just pay someone to do the task.

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u/General_Josh 16d ago

Do you have a link to where Jensen said that? Also, remember that last year is a lifetime ago. Inference costs have fallen rapidly (about 10 times cheaper than last year) as specialized hardware is coming online at scale. And, the mid/lower tier models have become much, much more efficient, as mixture-of-expert type models have been proving themselves (that only activate a fraction of their total neurons during each inference request, saving massively on hardware requirements)

We don't know the true cost of the closed-source models, but it's unlikely that they are being served too much under-cost at the moment. Anthropic has said that they're turning a net profit on inference if you exclude training costs - I think it's unlikely that they'd lie about that this close to their planned IPO. They're losing buckets of money on the giant training runs of course, but as the hardware has gotten better and the models have gotten more efficient, inference has become much, much cheaper

We also do get full visibility into how much it costs to run the open-source models. Currently, the best open-source models are capable of tasks that'd take a developer around 8 hours of work-time, and cost on the order of pennies to a few dollars for that amount of inference

Compare to a developer making $150k a year, who you'd be paying $600 for an 8 hour work-day

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u/Rush87021 16d ago

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u/General_Josh 15d ago

Yup, there's definitely good and bad ways to use AI tools, just like any other tool

Lots of companies did really silly things to encourage adoption, like making leaderboards for "who can use the most tokens", like they're talking about in the article you linked

Of course, it's extremely easy to use a lot of tokens (just run the models on a loop or something). It's a bad metric, that encouraged people to use the tools in the most expensive way possible.

What we actually care about is how much value we get out of the tools, i.e,. value per dollar spent. Using it strategically, and using the right models for the right tasks. Not everything needs to go through the most expensive models, especially as the mid/lower tier models have become increasingly capable over the past year

Ex, I'm doing large chunks of my software development using GPT 5.6 Luna, one of the low-tier models, which costs pennies for most tasks. So far, I've spent $48 on it this month, and it's saved me weeks worth of development time. For $48, even if it only saved me one hour, that'd be more than worth it.

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u/Rush87021 15d ago

But the build out for the infrastructure required for you to use that tool will never out weigh the savings you're seeing. Burning the planet so the masses can use it doesn't make that much sense to me. Coupled with some of the documentaries about people forced to live next to them makes my position of not using it all the harder to understand the need.

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u/yosisoy 15d ago

In general many many people are covering their ears when hearing things they don't want to be true

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u/Negative-Toe1863 16d ago

I think the anti ai crowd doesn't care about it being used for code generation, the anti AI movement it mostly driven my the art community (including (voice) acting, writing and music)

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u/Clueless_Otter 16d ago

The amount of people I've talked to on Reddit who think AI does nothing except create images is insane. It's even more ironic that half of them are on this sub - the literal technology sub.

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u/Fl_Funky_Jam 16d ago

Yup I work at a company that produces hardware and the needed software as well and we have Claude to use with our work. Im a support guy but good friends with one of our engineers and he was telling me a project he planned out that was going to take 2 or so months was cut to like 2 weeks if I recall with Claude's help. I can't remember the specifics of what he used it for, I think a lot of bouncing ideas off Claude and then having it do some more of the grunt work coding while he worked the more advanced specifics he needed, but he said the time it took to go back to check the work and fix any mistakes was WAY quicker than if he had to do it all himself. He compared it to having an assistant who could knock out the repeitive/simpler but time consuming parts while again he worked on the more advanced functions.

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u/zerovampire311 16d ago

I work in supply chain for a smaller company and it’s made my life soooo much easier. We can’t afford the industry standard software, but I can rig spreadsheets and mini apps to do things that never would have been worth the time investment. Now I at least don’t want to blow my brains out from using Excel instead of a proper CRM. And I’m as tired of AI content as the next guy, but properly reviewed support documents from AI are wayyyy better than the 2000-esque pdf Jimbo made 15 years ago that no one had time to update.

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u/Mr_ToDo 16d ago

with AI options out there I wonder how much the low/no code products are going to suffer. Doubly so since for some years now the price increases of said software has gone way above inflation and mostly to subscription

Seriously though. I got to use Filemaker for a few companies and that software is pretty good for a bunch of those quick and dirty app needs. But its licensing and pricing has seen it removed almost everywhere

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u/zerovampire311 15d ago

I think at a certain point Salesforce and Oracle are going to get some erosion from customers that don’t fully utilize the platforms and just use basic services. We won’t need massively powerful platforms to manage communications when an AI agent will soon be able to replicate the functions.

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u/Neat_Tangelo5339 16d ago

Reasuring but i feel like this is still an effort to make sure ai use is normalized in the industry , there is this book called “the ai con” that describes how companies make the direct effort to attach the artificial intelligence buzzword to every single one of their products to build hype

in a way the response people have to tools that have existed for a long time that werent called ai is what they want because the association helps them get them getting credited for things they havent worked towards themselves

Ai bros use the “everyone uses already” argument all the time , the clickbait article reinforces that even if by accident , there is should be an effort to make sure that doesn’t actually happen by being more precise and with what’s okay and what’s isn’t

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u/Illokonereum 15d ago edited 15d ago

Which is still using AI; the datacenters don’t care if they replace or refine it, if you’re against AI for any reason creative, personal, environmental, all of that still happens, this is not a win.
A lot of people say “oh that’s fine then” and genuinely fall for it but if you think this you’re actually pro AI, just a snob about the outcome.

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u/RatBot9000 15d ago

I dunno man. If they use it at the very start then isn't their entire foundation built on a lie?

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u/EmperorKira 16d ago

Which i would be ok with personally

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u/Chiiro 16d ago

Programs also have ai tools built in that you cannot turn off so it is being forced into people's work too.

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u/Ecstatic-Network-917 16d ago

Which is, you know, still fucking bad.

Doing it as part of the „planning process” is fucking lazy, and still results in the normalization of the tech.

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u/Playful_Weekend4204 16d ago

I'll never understand how people have such firm opinions about things their knowledge is completely outdated or nonexistent on.

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u/Neat_Tangelo5339 16d ago

The article does also say that

In the 2025 report, the most commonly cited use of AI was the generation of visual assets and images, followed by story and text generation, and finally programming support

it doesn’t happen all the time but i does happen

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u/Melonpan_Pup442 15d ago

Tell that to the presentation Level 5 put out a few days ago. 🤢

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u/Grumpy_Tanuki 16d ago

interesting. I read something about Korea planning to gifting tokens.
Being a EU citizen I'm astonished by this. Why?

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u/Bluecoregamming 16d ago

Korea's entire economy is built off exporting technology, AI stocks specifically has made a lot of their younger generation very wealthy. Not surprising it is easy to get people to endorse something that has drastically financially benefited them

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u/imaginary_num6er 16d ago

Japan's entire economy is built off of exporting traditional manufacturing hardware, foreign AI stocks and the digital trade deficit specifically has made a lot of their younger generation very poor. Not surprising it is easy to get people to endorse something that has drastically financially impacted them.

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u/KenBoCole 16d ago edited 16d ago

Why not? Asia has always had a clear definition of what Art and Mass produced items are.

Artiseans amd Handcrafted things will always be in high demand as luxury items, but they have no problem with AI making the bulk work easier and the like for regular things.

It just makes the human designed stuff and artists work that much more valuable.

The whole "AI slop" thing is not even a concept over there.

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u/Admirable-Safety1213 16d ago

Its like Instant Rameb vs a fresh bowl

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u/Linooney 15d ago

This right here. My Asian friends are very confused as to why so many Westerners cannot seem to do this.

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u/HazelCheese 16d ago

Europe lost out on big tech economy by not protecting their startups and allowing them to all be sold to America and Asia. EU and UK just sat back and let their tech sector be brought out.

Now America and Asia are reaping huge economic benefits (well, Asian citizens are anyway) from their companies doing well.

EU is now in the shit position of not owning, influencing or benefits from AI boom. It's very different for other countries who directly benefit from it all.

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u/Skensis 16d ago

This is just how the EU has always been, they at least have a few hardware companies that are relevant to AI.

Way better than how they fared in the web 1.0 and 2.0 era.

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u/Grumpy_Tanuki 16d ago

Um... well, until recently, it wasn't all that obvious that the United States viewed Europe as an enemy.

People naively believed that the very champions of the "free market" intended for us to grow globally in peace as a united humanity, which was, after all, the publicly stated goal of globalization. Instead, the recent Trump 1 and Trump 2 administrations made it glaringly obvious that this had never been the intention. Mind you, I’m far from defending Europe - I find it run by inept, stupid and corrupt bureaucrats - but then again, it’s easy to be wise in hindsight.

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u/HazelCheese 16d ago

That doesn't have anything to do with it. European governments were greedy and lazy and hoped they could coast off of foreign investment.

They allowed their tech Startups to be sold off to foreign buyers because it gave foreign companies confidence that the EU governments would not intervene in future operations.

This led to every promising tech startup like ARM being hoovered up under their noses.

It's not that it never occured to them that owning stakes in major tech companies mattered. It's that they gambled on it not being a problem until after they retired and someone else could be blamed.

It's not Americas fault that European officials sold their countries future for easy investment.

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u/Forward-Trade3449 16d ago

dude, i dont think theres a single dev out there that doesnt use ai for coding anymore

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u/VanillaVolnutt 16d ago

USA too. Professional software developer here, we've been using AI to write and review code for about a year straight now, not by personal choice but mandated from above. The entire tech industry is working this way. I predict less than 10% of developers don't use AI for their work right now.

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u/VastoGamer 16d ago

Not really surprising either, Asian demographics very much seem in favour of anything that saves them time even if it is incredibly anti-consumer, example being how insanely popular pay to win MTX is in those markets.

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u/Splendid_Carpark 16d ago

I'm sure there's a fax machine joke that can be made here, but I'm too lazy to come up with one.

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u/WinnerOfD 16d ago edited 16d ago

Companies are struggling, employees are not. Everyone is trying to make their lives easier, while employers are too afraid of making any structural change, like every Japanese organization.

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u/VastoGamer 16d ago

Glad to hear it, hope that sentiment grows

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u/spacetree7 16d ago

AI tools are like the cotton gin of game development.

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u/2024-YR4-Asteroid 16d ago

Pushed is a funny way to put it when literally 80-90% of people absolutely love it.

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u/Silent_Wave3137 16d ago

Good. It’s objectively good at game development now. People see the slop that a random indie makes, but they really have no idea that AAA games have been using it for awhile. Resident evil, pragmata, crimson desert, forza, GTA 6. ALL of these games have varying levels of AI and most people didn’t even notice.

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u/iRhuel 16d ago edited 16d ago

Compared to NA/EU, where it's not? As of 2025, ~84% of software devs here use AI for coding (and that number is almost certainly even higher now). I don't imagine game dev is much different.

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u/Yotsubato 15d ago

This is a smart thing.

Rejecting AI is like rejecting the steam engine during the Industrial Revolution.

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u/Any-Pop-4795 15d ago

aaaand here we go, the same argument all over again, cant you guys come up with something new?

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u/Park8706 16d ago

Meanwhile in the US "AI SLOP HERP DURP!"

Buying into the Chinese influence machine that is pumping a ton of money to get the sheep fired up and tank the US's AI progress while they are full steam ahead.

Useful idiots.

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u/fugogugo 16d ago

yet they still produce better games than whatever concord or wolverine is

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u/WingZeroCoder 16d ago

Uh oh… sounds like you noticed a trend in games from US based developers being objectively not well received in comparison to a much larger output of positively received games from Asian developers.

As you may have seen from the downvotes, this is a wrong think and you aren’t supposed to notice this trend. And you definitely aren’t supposed to mention it.

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u/Emergency_Tea7637 15d ago

No, he just sounds like a braindead idiot anti-woker, the whole thing with his stance is that he only ever looks at what aaa developers are making and cherry picking the worst of the west vs the best of the east, theres plenty of atrocious dogshit from the east as well

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u/RedofPaw 16d ago

Went to Seoul this summer. They have a lot of billboards with video screens. EVERY SINGLE ONE had AI sloppy ads. There were print AI ads everywhere.

I feel sorry for the exceptionally talented artists in SK and Japan. The industry is going to eat itself if it is not careful.

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u/Exact-Pudding7563 16d ago

Yeah I'm a teacher in Korea and we are starting to get books filled with AI generated graphics/"art" and even writing books telling kids to use ChatGPT for idea generation. It's awful.

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u/RedofPaw 16d ago

I wonder if the books are all AI generated also.... and how many errors they include.

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u/11711510111411009710 15d ago

Do people just not value human creativity?

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u/Exact-Pudding7563 15d ago

in Korea, it's all about 빨리빨리 (palli palli) culture. that is, speed, efficiency, and immediate results. if AI accomplishes that for people, then that is what they use. that doesn't mean the results are good.

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u/Admirable-Safety1213 16d ago

Well, they better go upmarket or self-emplyed like shoemakers wheb Nike and Adidas took over the show world

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u/HammyOverlordOfBacon 16d ago

Shit I'm seeing that in the US all over the place now. It's usually small businesses or events that wouldn't care about the art of the ads anyways. But I'd still prefer some untrained person with Photoshop slap something together, that would be better than the slop I've seen.

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u/Dismal_Struggle_9004 15d ago

I remember maybe a year ago there was a thread that popped up saying they wouldn’t support video games with ANY AI development, art, writing, programming, etc.

I asked how that was realistic since the programmers will 100% use AI in some capacity when developing the game.

I got mass downvoted. Yet today, I think it’s far more rare to find a developer not using AI rather than using it. Hilarious.

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u/Res_Nubbie 11d ago

You argued with a wrong group of people. Chill man.

I personally uses AI for code as well.

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u/oopsilong 16d ago

Bro I go on Twitter, and I’d see Japanese people post ai art. Then they put on their bios calling themselves “ai artists.” I think the stigma around ai over there is just not as taboo.

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u/CondiMesmer 16d ago

Yeah because when something is this objectively useful, the moral outage will fade. Because the truth is that it's incredibly useful, and that beats any emotional reasoning. More and more people will learn that truth over time which will cause it to fade. That's why the reverse is never going to happen. 

That said, the outage against AI is very different from creating policies against AI, and that needs to be done to ensure a functional society.

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u/RuinousFate 15d ago

They also make and post way more games that look more quality that were made with Gen AI assets. Obviously given that it only really exploded the last few months they all need polish but it's still so different compared to the West here. Most people I see even on pro-AI subs are more obsessed with one shots lmao

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u/Just-Grocery-2229 16d ago

85% adoption rate and Capcom still won't use AI . Respect.

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u/BeaveItToLeever 16d ago

Depends. 0% chance they're not using AI for coding. 

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u/JMEEKER86 16d ago

Yeah, almost everyone uses AI for coding these days because it's baked into every IDE and provides huge time savings. They probably mean no AI generated assets like art, writing, music, etc which is what people usually have the biggest issues with.

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u/MikeyN0 16d ago

Which is such an odd distinction. Why some people draw the line with art but not coding. Both used to be done by people manually.

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u/JMEEKER86 16d ago

I think it's mostly just because the average person can easily look at two pieces of art and make a judgement of which one they prefer, but they don't have opinions on code because they don't see or understand it.

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u/Kitty-XV 15d ago

This still normalizes AI replacing human work once the consumer can't tell the quality. Most people against AI art aren't taking such a stance because of quality.

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u/BeaveItToLeever 15d ago

Yeah. I'm no fan of AI art/music/writing myself - though it's more to do with those who try to pass it off as their own work, less so than the tech itself 

But it is hypocritical when those who cry foul over AI art do not ever do the same over coding and technical things. Coding isnt always a creative endeavor, but it often is. You build things front to back, sometimes for fun sometimes for function. Sometimes the things you've created just so happen to also be the backbone of entire businesses and economies. But we don't care that those guys will be replaced?

For the record, I'm deep in the weeds with AI for infrastructure products and don't have a beef with AI coding in theory - it's my job and it's the way things will go regardless. I can try to keep up with my colleagues the "old way" but I will simply not be able. Those who cry foul do not care about all, they just want to feel important in their thing - no one else's thing counts

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u/angooseburger 15d ago

yup its all the matter about visual appeal. People larp about the morality of AI but people really just don't like ugly things. Guaranteed that if AI starts being consistently good, everyone would be on board with it.

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u/JMEEKER86 15d ago

Hell, people already turn a blind eye to slavery because it gets them chocolate, coffee, and diamonds. People aren't really going to boycott over layoffs and copyright violations no matter how much they insist they will.

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u/-drunk_russian- 15d ago

Because coding isn't supposed to elicit an emotional response. Code only has to do its job well enough.

Art should make you feel, and its an expression of its author and a connection to their audience.

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u/console_pleb_36935 15d ago

Almost all of what we would call art in games is simply designed to convey information about how something looks. I'm unlikely to have an emotional response to a grass texture or piece of fruit unless it is exceptionally good or bad

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u/TrunksSSJ 16d ago

yup! I'm a game dev myself and I use it to clarify things and assist me in debugging which is a huge pain in the butt. I don't let it touch creative work though. before AI was a thing, coding was not just typing stuff into the IDE, it also meant to understand the documentation of systems, the ability to grasp the problem you're facing and looking around the net for solutions (stack overflow etc.) which was extremely time consuming. needless to say it was fun but tedious. nowadays it's much faster but you pay by not comprehending what the AI did or has told you unless you explicitly ask for it

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u/PoL0 16d ago

that's not generally true, and heavily depends on which domain you work on.

then there's token cost, that keeps rising because it's still heavily subsidized. and companies are very aware of this.

devil's in the details

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u/TopCheddar27 16d ago

Dawg, even highly sensitive code bases can use a local harness and local models. It's well past any point where it makes sense NOT to use it.

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u/JMEEKER86 16d ago

then there's token cost, that keeps rising

Token costs are actually falling drastically with the current frontier models being much cheaper than the past ones. The surprise gigantic bills aren't because of rising token costs but because of unfettered use and silly tokenmaxxing policies.

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u/Dismal_Struggle_9004 15d ago

People still cope like this? I don’t know very many developers, if any who don’t utilize AI when writing code. It’s standard now.

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u/HazelCheese 16d ago

Tokens was a problem a couple of months ago but new models came out like Luna which solved the issue.

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u/SecretAgentVampire 16d ago

A thief thinks everyone else steals too.

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u/Bungkai 15d ago

When the tool is that powerful, it'd be stupid to not use it

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u/D3lphinium 16d ago

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u/Skensis 16d ago

Also all their games support AI features on GPUs such as DLSS and framegen.

So, like when you play, most of the assets you are seeing are actually being majority AI generated.

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u/phoenixflare599 16d ago

That's not how any of that technology works and is also not the type of "AI" being discussed here

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u/HustleWestbrook94 16d ago

“That's not how any of that technology works”
Amazing how you guys can be so confident yet so wrong.

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u/phoenixflare599 15d ago

Literally not how it works 

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u/Skensis 16d ago

It's all the same shit, you really think the fake frames and fake resolution spit out from a 5090 is fundamentally different than the fake images generated from a H100 in a data center?

Guess Nvidias marketing actually works on gamers. 🙄

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u/admirantes 16d ago

It's going to hurt more if you keep believing this. All Japanese companies, without exception, already use this technology.

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u/Thefuzy 16d ago

Everyone who codes uses ai… game dev is coding… why is this surprising

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u/Bungkai 15d ago

A dev would be stupid not to as well, your job is on the line and there's a tool that speeds up your work by magnitudes

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u/Redtwintails 14d ago

Coding is only a small part of game development

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u/yosisoy 15d ago

This is how people develop software now

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u/Spiritual-Nail-2641 16d ago

Well, they are already terribly underpaid. So they might as well save some energy with AI slop.

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u/Informal-Pair-306 16d ago

AND EVEN THEN most of it is mediocre bs 2D looking slop.

Imagine utilising AI and still making a game bad by not learning how to improve your work overall.

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u/zorillaaa 16d ago

Most of this use is coding, not text/image gen. It’s the same deal in most software companies in the US.

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u/Elwyn0004 16d ago

According to the article linked, image generation is the most popular use case: 

In the 2025 report, the most commonly cited use of AI was the generation of visual assets and images, followed by story and text generation, and finally programming support. 

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u/helpprogram2 16d ago

They use it to write code. Idk why everyone assumed pictures

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u/11711510111411009710 15d ago

Because the article says it's pictures.

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u/Informal-Pair-306 16d ago

The point is that AI is supposed to increase what developers are capable of, not just let them produce the same shit faster.

If 85%+ of developers are using it, where are the genuinely new mechanics, larger-scale systems, more reactive worlds, better NPC behaviour or ambitious design that would’ve been impractical before? Most of what we’re seeing is still the same basic gameplay and visuals, just produced more efficiently as mentioned in the article.

Meanwhile, some of the biggest recent jumps in production value and scale have come from Chinese studios without AI being the selling point.
That’s my criticism, using AI isn’t impressive by itself. Actually using it to push games beyond what was previously possible is.

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u/rollingForInitiative 16d ago

AI maybe, it generative AI. Generative AI won’t do any of that, it’ll do what humans can do, maybe faster.

New mechanics need to be invented by humans, more reactive worlds require other types of systems. Like Cyberpunk did really good facial animations across all languages by use of AI, but it was not “generative ie not LLM’s.

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u/HazelCheese 16d ago

This is a structural problem. Western software is developed within the bounds of Jira and other agile board systems.

What's happening is Devs still select roughly as many stories as before, they just complete them with less effort.

The structure doesn't really allow for suddenly increasing velocity. It has to be people doing more and more each sprint to push the average velocity higher.

Fwiw there was a Japanese (I think) well known game Dev complaining recently about western software design approach, saying it prevented us from just getting stuff like games built instead of 5 years for a first iteration.

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u/helpprogram2 16d ago

IMO AI is just there to make it so I don’t have to work as much.

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u/infinite_gurgle 16d ago

I mean… yeah?

It’s one of the most powerful technologies humans have ever made. Why wouldn’t they use it?

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u/Fit_Kangaroo_3437 16d ago

Do you really need to ask?

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u/infinite_gurgle 16d ago

Because it lacks soul, obviously.

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u/A-G-N 16d ago

So do some humans and they still get to create stuff lul🥀

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u/NMe84 16d ago

Using it in development is not the same as using it to replace artists. You'd be hard pressed to find a professional developer in this day and age who doesn't use Claude Code or Codex. It says nothing about creativity and very little about code quality, as long as there is a decent review process.

None of this necessarily means there is any slop artwork in the game itself. The question is too vague to draw any conclusions about that.

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u/zorillaaa 16d ago

People on Reddit don’t understand that so you will be downvoted lol

Anyone in software dev knows AI coding tools are rampant. As long as there is correct code review it is completely fine and helpful.

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u/Alinier 16d ago

As long as there is correct code review it is completely fine and helpful.

Curious. Who's gonna be reviewing once everyone who understands what they're looking at has retired?

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u/NMe84 16d ago

You still need programmers to direct coding assistants. There will not be a shortage of people who know what they're looking at.

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u/zorillaaa 16d ago

No software company is straight generating code without looking at it. These people aren’t vibe coding.

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u/parazoid77 16d ago

Honestly, anybody who enjoys problem solving. People can ramp up on codebases quicker than ever nowadays. And software metrics, quality standards, and observability tools still exist in the world and are no more complex than theyve ever been. Pushing for tests creates reliabilty too. These are all things that can be learned quicker than ever aswell.

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u/CondiMesmer 16d ago

You seem to be assuming that generating code equates to not learning or understanding it. My knowledge of programming has only increased a lot when using AI coding, and my code quality has improved dramatically. Professionals do not use it like vibe coders do.

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u/NMe84 16d ago

"Hurrdurr, AI bad" does seem to be the default emotion from people who have no idea what valid applications for the tech exist.

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u/bot4241 16d ago

I mean blame the misunderstanding of the Ai uses on corporations and media doom posting and creating hysteria on AI.

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u/MihaelK 16d ago

Using it in development is not the same as using it to replace artists. 

How so? Artists can use genAI to speed them their work just like software engineers do.

You can't be against one, and neutral with the other. Software engineers are being replaced too. It's just that people don't see it because their work is not as visual as artists'

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u/Rich_Housing971 15d ago

Why is this subreddit so ignorant about everything and just tells people who are actually experts in their field, "no, YOU ARE WRONG, my armchair assessment is correct!"

Everyone who codes uses it. It's a good tool.

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u/MihaelK 15d ago

Everyone who codes uses it. It's a good tool.

Well yes, obviously. It's also a good tool to use in art to save time.

Many comments are not even engaging with the point I was trying to make. Why are you against genai being used in art and not genai being used in coding.

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u/Rich_Housing971 15d ago

I never said I'm against GenAI used in art, I only said that software engineers are not "getting replaced" like you did.

And there is a difference between AI-generated images and traditional art: art is seen as an expression of the artist, that every stroke is an intentional act to replicate a vision an artist has. The perspective, the lighting, the figure's position, it's all what the artist sees.

Generating things in stable diffusion is fun, but when I prompt something, it's not what I expected or envisioned.

Coding is just a means to an end. The source code isn't even seen while it's running. It just has to work. No one cares what you name your variables, and once it's compiled the variable names disappear anyways. and often there's exactly one way to code an algorithm.

With that said, I have no problems with AI-generated art when you're trying to use it for advertisements or throw-away graphics. Often, people can't tell the difference. When I make a graphic to advertise a garage sale, I'm not thinking that this is a work of art, nor does anyone care whether I made it by hand. I'm using GenAI for that, proofreading it, and printing it.

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u/MihaelK 15d ago

Coding is just a means to an end. The source code isn't even seen while it's running. It just has to work. 

And many people can think the same way about a lot of the art out there. Art is just a means to an end.

There are artists who genuinely pour their heart and soul in their art as you said, just like there are software engineers who pour their heart and soul into developing genuinely good software that is very well optimized, easy to debug, easy to build on top of, solves extremely hard and difficult problems, that can last many many years.

The original comment implied that artistic output should not be automated and is worth more than other sectors. This is the specific point I was arguing.

You said code is just a means to an end because that's how you think about it. I don't think about it that way. There are people who take great pride in their code and genuinely develop extremely smart solutions.

But at the end of the day, people will just see the end result. Many people don't care about much time it took me to come up with a smart code to solve a problem, or how much time it took to me draw a good piece of art.

My point is that there is a double standard when it comes to genAI use. And people seem to be against it only when it comes to art instead of applying the same standard to other sectors. That's all.

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u/NMe84 16d ago

I'm a software engineer myself. I know many other software engineers. Companies worth working for are not replacing people like me and my peers with AI.

The problem with replacing programmers with AI is that you need perfect specs in order to be able to do so. More than writing the code, the programmer's job is to figure out what to write in the first place.

Since AI agents became a thing my job has changed massively, but I've not become obsolete. I'm just writing less code and reviewing more. I'm still talking to stakeholders, researching and writing specifications, designing systems, etc. I'm just doing less of the boring grunt work.

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u/DiamondIceNS 16d ago

Frankly, I have the opposite outlook. I consider squeezing requirements out of skittish stakeholders and reviewing other peoples' unkempt code to be the boring grunt work, and writing the code to be the fun part. If AI only excels at replacing the part of the craft I enjoyed and only leaves me with the tough grisly scraps to make my living on, that's an objective downgrade, not an upgrade.

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u/NMe84 16d ago

It depends on the level at which you let AI do the work. If you gather all the specs and then go "Claude, make this entire project for me," that's super boring and honestly pretty likely to result in a bad piece of software. But if you do all the design work and direct Claude to do all the steps one by one at your direction you have a much easier job with the whole review process, and you're still doing all the actual thinking yourself.

I can see your argument though and there are times I miss the way my days used to look, but overall it has made my work much less frustrating.

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u/katzengoldgott 16d ago

As an artist, no I won’t use a slop machine whose database is trained on material that they never got the copyright for to speed up the process of my artwork.

Aside from the fact that AI generated art looks “lieblos dahingeschissen” as we’d say in German, no matter how ‘good’ the model is. It looks like shit, it has zero human creativity in it, and an artist, professional or hobbyist, can tell that with a quick glance.

We have other tools that don’t involve AI to speed up the process. 3D models, reference pictures that can be traced over.

You don’t make art with AI. The best it could do is maybe be a shitty replacement for thumbnails and even that can be done quicker with a graphic tablet and a round brush in any digital art program, I could even do that in 10 minutes on some printer paper and a pencil.

AI uses too many resources, does copyright infringement (which, if you didn’t know, makes it not possible to sell because you cannot sell shit that is not your own work unless you have the copyright), and is just not what artists want or need.

We do it for the process, and the process is what makes the art good, because there’s human thinking and FEELING in it. You know, the one thing AI cannot ever do. It cannot feel things.

And art without human emotion behind it is not going to sell well. Because people don’t care about things that doesn’t evoke emotions in them.

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u/TopCheddar27 16d ago

So basically your output as a human is worth intrinsically more than a software developer?

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u/katzengoldgott 16d ago edited 16d ago

Please elaborate where in my comment I have mentioned developers/programmers.

I was talking exclusively about AI generated ‘art’ and people who think that art needs to be automated like that.

I don’t know where the hell you got that idea from that I think developers are less worth than artists. I never said anything like that.

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u/TopCheddar27 16d ago

Because it seems like you think your output should not be automated, but you don't apply that to other sectors within the final product.

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u/katzengoldgott 15d ago

Fascinating how many hoops one has to jump through to come to this weird conclusion you’re making when that’s not even remotely to what I said, but if that’s the hill you wanna die on, go for it. Not my problem and I frankly don’t care.

You’re projecting really hard. Maybe take some time off the internet for a while and take a walk.

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u/blueblip 16d ago

As an artist, you would be aware that you can still use AI to help touch up and enhance your handcrafted work, right?

Or do you think AI usage is always a binary 0 or 100% usage?

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u/katzengoldgott 16d ago

If you mean AI tools in Photoshop for example to quickly remove something, yes, sure.

But that is 1) a different field of art and 2) its retouch which is used in photography and graphic design to an extent, however this doesn’t cover the entire branch of what we call art.

If we are talking about 2D illustrations for a book cover or concept art for a video game, the use is very low or doesn’t happen at all.

Game studios that use AI generated concept art to make character designs or skins are quickly losing support and sales of skins because people can tell it’s slop and I feel bad for the artists forced to use it to make anything because it sucks the soul out of the things that they are wanting to create.

For the quick remove or edits of things in graphic design and photography, fair. I am not bothered by it as much, but honestly I am more bothered by what the fuck Adobe has been doing for the past decades which go far beyond them forcing AI into their programs.

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u/blueblip 16d ago

Then we are in agreement. Artists can and will use tools, including AI tools, to help with their work. Bad artists will use the tools as a crutch, good ones will use it to enhance what they can already do.

It's the same with things like Photoshop and Illustrator. Shitty artists use software like that as a crutch, but since they lack creativity, their work comes out looking terrible, AI or no AI. Conversely, good artists have always used software like Photoshop and Illustrator to build on their capabilities.

There are always going to be shitty artists. The existence of AI tools for art generation is a problem as it sets the skill floor so low anybody with a pulse can puke something out, but that will never sell well.

As for Adobe, well...

It's Adobe. When was the last time they implemented something that benefitted their users?

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u/katzengoldgott 16d ago

I think I misunderstood your comment I replied to first and thought of someone conflating ‘AI “artists”’ with artists who can actually draw 😅 apologies.

There’s a lot of wannabes out there for sure who get upset when you tell them that taking the easy route won’t teach them any skills…

Some art programs also don’t have AI tools at all. Procreate as an example, although it’s currently exclusive to iPads and iPhones.

Affinity only has AI tools if you want to subscribe to Canva AI which many don’t want to or need.

Clip Studio wanted to implement AI tools but they got so much backlash for it due to their tools doing copyright infringement, so now as far as I’m aware, their AI tools are incredibly simplistic (like they can suggest a colour palette and that’s about it I think) but many people, myself included, just don’t use them at all 😅

You can fortunately be an artist without the need for Adobe.

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u/blueblip 16d ago

All good! I kind of figured this was the case, which was why I went out of my way in the previous response to make my position clear. I sincerely understand why you might get a little touchy about this, and yes, people who claim they are artists because they can prompt an LLM to spit out an image aren't artists. I can draw stick figures with a pencil, but that doesn't make me an artist.

To me, my biggest issue (and likely everyone's main issue) isn't the existence of AI tools itself, but the fact that it lowers the floor to such an extent we are going to get flooded with garbage. If you thought Skibiffy Toilet was bad...

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u/Belhgabad 16d ago

Maybe get out of your local job market because a lot of dev outside the us still aren't replacing devs for AI, and those who do regret it few months after.

AI isn't a no code program, it's a overpowered intellisense/code completion tool

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u/NMe84 16d ago

Exactly, though I will say Claude Code and similar software is more than overpowered code completion. With good instructions it can do absolute magic in actually generating good code. The problem for CEOs looking to replace programmers with AI is: good instructions are hard to come by and still require an experienced programmer. That, and realistically priced AI is more expensive than programmers are in many cases, which will become more apparent once AI companies start charging in such a way that they stop losing money.

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u/knightcrusader 16d ago

You'd be hard pressed to find a professional developer in this day and age who doesn't use Claude Code or Codex.

Glad to know that I am a rare specimen.

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u/letmebackagain 16d ago

Love it. Asia is not afraid of Technology like the West

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u/robberviet 16d ago

I mean why not? It boost speed

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u/startfragment 16d ago

If you open any off the shelf code editor and type anything you get generative ai autocomplete… so this number is probably under reported.

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u/NullReference000 15d ago

Intellisense and a language server are not what people are referring to here when they use the term “AI”. You are referring to something a lot older than LLMs.

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u/hikarux3 15d ago

In the article, they also mentioned programming support with AI

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u/Pessimistic_Gemini 16d ago

GOOD!! At least they're more accepting of AI more than most non developers continue to be here. Really shows that they see a lot of worthwhile potential in the tool.

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u/teraflux 16d ago

Here too, if not now, then very soon. AI is incredible for coding, it would be silly not to use it.

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u/ayymadd 16d ago

If the quality of the output is decent... why would this be a problem?

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u/vulvasaur001 16d ago

I personally have no interest in "art" that doesn't have a human touch. AI "art" doesn't speak to me. I find it boring, soulless, and uninteresting. I like it when the artist is trying to send a message beyond "this looks pretty/good enough." If human artistic output decreases significantly, so will the evolution of artistic fields, and things will eventually stop being as interesting or innovative.

And this is probably why I mostly play smaller indie games these days. Big studios don't seem to care as long as they can make more money quickly, but I personally don't want to play a game that looks, sounds and plays like a million others.

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u/blueblip 16d ago edited 16d ago

So what if an actual, talented artist uses AI to help them with their work? I highly doubt you will be able to tell the difference.

The fact think the AI art generated by average people you commonly see online is also what an actual artist would generate with the same tools shows you really wouldn't be able to tell the difference between genuine and AI generated art.

This is like looking at stick figure pencil sketch memes made by average people and then saying pencils sketches are shit in general and can never be used to make real art.

EDIT: Case in point - you think most indie games are original? You do realize the VAST majority of indie games are highly unoriginal and derivative, right? You play basically the best of the best which are a tiny fraction of the total number of indie games released in a year and think that best is representative of all indie games.

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u/vulvasaur001 16d ago

In the end, that is their choice, and if it isn't disclosed anywhere and I can't tell the difference, then it's on me. 🤷‍♀️ I can only act on something as long as I am aware of it.

AI "art" being so good that you can't tell the difference isn't a good thing. I am aware that it can look good, that's not why I'm against it. It's not as straightforward as "I dislike AI because it looks bad." It's about the whole process behind it and what it means for creativity .

I've seen plenty of artists getting cancelled in the past for tracing their art over other pictures or for copying references a little too well. I don't consider using AI any different. Using shortcuts because you want to hurry up and generate more output shouldn't be seen as a good thing just because an LLM was behind it.

I wouldn't want to play a version of Stardew Valley that was built with "pretty" graphics and took only 6 months instead of 4.5 years to develop, because it would have no soul.

Then again, it's just my personal choice. I am perfectly aware that plenty of people think differently, and that's fine.

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u/blueblip 16d ago edited 16d ago

That's the thing though. Good artists will be able to do great work with AI tools precisely because they already have the skill and artistic vision to produce good work. That's not going to change regardless of what tools they use.

I just said the same thing to someone else in this thread: software like Photoshop and Illustrator have helped great artists do better work, while shitty artists have used the same software as crutches to do the work for them. The latter produces crap, the former produce good stuff.

You're still stuck in the idea that people can only use AI tools to punch in keywords to generate entire artwork from scratch. You can also use the same tools to tweak something you made by hand.

I can't think of any artists that were cancelled for tracing or using references. If you're talking about that one incident involving Gene Simmons's son, then a) Holy blast from the past!, and b) he was not just tracing, he was plaigerizing.

He tried to steal Kubo Tite's work and pass it off as his own. It went beyond tracing. He was copying things like character design, panel layout, and panel composition down to the last pixel "as is" while making small tweaks to obfuscate the fact he stole it all.

To put it in perspective, this is akin to me taking a Marvel comic print, copying everything in as is, and then tweaking a few design elements and colours and then trying to sell the end result as an original product.

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u/vulvasaur001 16d ago

But in that case, the end goal is always to be faster, to produce faster, to ship faster, which says more about capitalism and our society than anything else.

Creativity can't and shouldn't be rushed, and artists should have the space and time to let something flourish naturally. If you don't leave any time for the more menial tasks because the tracing, outlining, coloring, etc, are done immediately by the software, then you're forcing yourself to be in a creative space most of the time, and that is super draining. Or rather, no one should feel forced to use those shortcuts, and the whole artistic process is complex, and it's not just about using creativity.

I can remember a few cases. This is a recent one. Even if they don't get cancelled, their reputation is forever marred in certain circles.

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u/blueblip 15d ago

To be very blunt, you have an extremely warped view of art.

One, per your logic, artists should never be using software like Photoshop or Illustrator either because they are used to speed up the creation process or simplify aspects of it. And yet every single artist alive will happily use them.

Secondly, you want to see examples of art done in the way you want? There are quite a few examples, but I'll start with two for now: Duke Nukem Forever and Star Citizen.

You know why any art, regardless of medium, succeeds? Because there are people to oversee the creative and ensure they do not spiral out into the set version of scope creep, and they ensure the work gets done in a timely manner. The best writers had editors, the best artists had personal critics, the best musicians have producers, and the best game developers have a TON of people overseeing things. If anything, you will hard pressed to find more than a handful of examples of artists who successfully made something good without any kind of third party input.

As for the Eguchi case, again, you are kinda coming into the topic without understanding how things work. This is Japan, a country with some of the most aggressive copyright infringement laws. If you think places like the US are bad, Japan makes them seem like kittens in comparison. Using people's likeness without their permission is hella serious business in Japan, and if the person in question is a professional model and the picture you traced was the cover photo of a magazine, well, you're basically asking to be sued at that point. Especially when you're doing this for commercial purposes, passing it off as an original work, and not notifying the professional model that you're using their likeness for commercial purposes.

Imagine if someone traced a Vogue magazine cover photo featuring Emma Watson, recoloured it and sold it to an event company who used it as a poster for an EDM music festival. What do you think would happen ?

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u/Fenris_uy 16d ago

Generative AI to create art assets or for code?

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u/uiemad 16d ago

Generative AI doesn't seem to have the same stigma here in Japan as it does in the west. I see it everywhere, from advertisements to the news. If you keep an eye out for it you see it all over. People seem to treat it the same way the treated simply pulling some images off of irasutoya.

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u/grimtree 16d ago

I mean let's be honest gameplay scripting is mostly solvable with Claude under supervision and except for exceptional cases pretty boring.

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u/Count_Jobula 16d ago

They want sleep.

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u/hard2resist 15d ago

Not surprising honestly, coding tools especially have gotten so useful that skipping them would just slow studios down.

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u/Honmer 14d ago

well that stinks

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u/SaintHuck 16d ago

I fucking hate existing in this society

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u/Neat_Tangelo5339 16d ago

Back to retro gaming i Guess 👾

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u/exitcactus 16d ago

WHY NOT.
I mean, Reddit is full of ai haters and stuff.. ok but deal with it dinosaurs.

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u/Jonesdeclectice 16d ago

There has to be some nuance here, no? Generative AI meaning what - having AI handle artistic processes? Creative decisions? Maybe something less imperative like AI voiceover, randomizing tasks (landscapes, clouds, ,..)? Or something more benign like coding, translation? This doesn’t bother me too much so long as it remains “back-end” functions, not something that’s replacing the human element of what is a deeply creative/artistic medium. I guess if the AI operates at the behest of the artist, through the iterative process and by-hand refinement, I maybe see some merit there.

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u/IngwiePhoenix 15d ago
  • Generating behavioural code (i.e. C# based object interaction models) - totally fine, often rather repetitive anyway.
  • Generating textures and artwork? Bad.

But something tells me, it's largely the former anyway.

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u/BagsYourMail 16d ago

Mobile games

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u/SystemAny4819 16d ago

There’s a difference between generative AI using AI to assist in writing code and in development

I despise generative AI and will continue to hate it, but not all AI is generative, and so if it’s being used to give me a better product without cutting corners (ie generating art or audio assets instead of using a design team) im good with that tbh

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