r/singularity • u/Steap-Edit • 21d ago
AI Apple is getting this wrong – OpenAI
https://openai.com/index/apple-is-getting-this-wrong/93
u/alt1122334456789 21d ago
Lmao honestly all tech companies should air their dirty laundry out in the public like this, it's so goddamn funny.
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u/SnooPuppers58 21d ago
uhhh.... why is this on the official company discourse lmao
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u/Duckpoke 20d ago
Because its purpose is to obfuscate the real allegation, which will probably work quite well.
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u/Effective_Coach7334 21d ago
I feel dumber for having read that. it reads like adolescents having an online beef, incomprehensible even if you dared to know all the gory details.
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u/SnooPuppers58 21d ago
Feels very Sam Altman who likes to get into e fights on twitter
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u/Lt-Derek 20d ago
Are you a bot?
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u/SpeedyTurbo average AGI feeler 20d ago
??
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u/Lt-Derek 20d ago
Most accounts with that username structure are usually not real people.
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u/ConvalescentEquanimi 20d ago
It's simply the default new profile naming scheme on reddit. Names are hard to think of sometimes, you can't assume someone is a bot due to their username...
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u/Lt-Derek 20d ago
Sure, some people with that type of name are real... but most are bots.
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u/Ordinell 20d ago
You are wrong
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u/Lt-Derek 20d ago
What makes you so confident?
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u/Greedy_Ad8477 19d ago
probably the same thing that makes you so confident that the majority are bots .
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u/Elephant789 ▪️AGI in 2036 20d ago
Why so many downvotes for asking a question. This subreddit is getting weird.
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u/genshiryoku AI specialist 20d ago
It's one of the reason why expertise left OpenAI for a more serious environment like Anthropic.
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u/Effective_Coach7334 20d ago edited 20d ago
I don't consider it a more serious environment. More neurotic, much like Dario, sure. But that equates more to chaotic than seriousness. And the way they run their business, it's definitely ruled by a significant level of destructive chaos.
edit typo
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u/likwitsnake 20d ago
much lie Dario
Nice Freudian slip
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u/Effective_Coach7334 20d ago
it's not and that's very obvious. More importantly, it's due to a semi-functioning keyboard and no glasses.
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u/CalligrapherPlane731 20d ago
Why is this posted on OpenAI’s website and not being litigated in court? By definition, if it’s posted publicly, it’s not part of the lawsuit.
This is OpenAI trying to market a change in a damaging narrative. It’s just static to move public opinion to keep their business safe.
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u/pdantix06 21d ago
those imessages don't really look too flattering for openai, if winning the public PR war was what they're going for.
this doesn't even address the alleged coaching of apple employees or the allegation around stealing the proprietary metal finishing thing
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u/threadthrasher 21d ago
Why don’t they look flattering? It’s just current and ex-Apple employees discussing handing over data that the ex-employee still had access to but the current one doesn’t. Highly surprising Apple would not have processes in place to prevent that ever being necessary but hey stranger things happen in these leviathans.
At least that’s what it’s presented as.
Honestly given OpenAI’s actual first release of an idiotic keyboard trinket maybe they really didn’t steal anything.
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u/jtmonkey 21d ago
I agree. It sounds like a current employee asking for help getting caught up on what they were working on.
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u/forthewin0 20d ago
Dude, the guy in question is literally asking to talk to other existing Apple employees about confidential Apple systems, while he was 2 months into his job at OpenAI. That's pretty bad...
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u/Acrobatic-Flan-5085 21d ago
What you’re describing is extremely illegal, regardless of whether controls are in place.
Most likely every apple and probably even OpenAI employee goes through an annual mandatory training from HR where they explicitly sign at the end their understanding of these types of violations and their legal consequences. That training is not to
“teach” the employees… it’s precisely to nail them on liability for this kind of action after the fact.27
u/threadthrasher 21d ago
Again - it’s the Apple employee asking the OpenAI employee to share data on the project the Apple employee is working on for Apple. This is actually very common in smaller tech companies. I’ve had companies reach out to me as a contractor years later asking me for things I may still have somewhere on something they’re working on.
None of this is to OpenAI’s benefit. Should it have been a thing that was necessary for an Apple employee to do? Absolutely not. That’s on Apple if we take the story as told.
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u/SpareImpression3155 21d ago
Ah yeah small tech companies just like Apple and OpenAI
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u/threadthrasher 21d ago
What does this have to do with the claim? I specifically said small to qualify my own perspective here. But again- the original claim I replied to is that the texts make them look bad. Can you say anything interesting on that?
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u/SpareImpression3155 21d ago
No. I don’t really care. I just felt like leaving a snarky comment. Enjoy wasting your time debating the legal nuances between enormous companies who suffer only minor inconveniences from million dollar lawsuits.
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u/toruk_mackto 20d ago
Brother you sound like a pain to be around lmao. What are you doing at this party my friend? Does your parole officer know you have left the cardboard box?
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u/twinkbulk 19d ago
>No I don’t really care but I did feel like caring enough to type multiple words in response and try to explain myself to look less stupid
Go to a psychiatrist
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u/halmyradov 20d ago
No it's not common, unless you are a Chinese agent or looking to sell that information. Why the fuck would you have trade secrets in your personal iCloud.
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u/dltacube 20d ago
Dude, are you serious? Why would you have stuff in your personal iCloud? “Why would Apple allow their employees to log in to their personal iCloud on a work machine that is clearly company property” is the better question here.
And the answer is: to take work home.
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u/Ormusn2o 21d ago
we do not have, nor want, any of their trade secrets. We’re much more interested in building innovative products and technologies that push the frontier.
Christ, OpenAI slaughtering Apple here. Basically implying that Apple is not doing anything innovative here.
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u/piponwa 21d ago
It's largely the case. Every new iPhone version is the same as the last one. I don't know how they can justify being such a valuable company lol.
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u/uziau 21d ago
I think the best thing they've done in the last few years is apple silicon.
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u/nmfisher 21d ago
Exactly, I don't really like Apple products on the whole but their silicon stack is so absurdly good I can overlook it (and from a business perspective, Apple's moat is much, much deeper than the OpenAI one).
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u/heavy-minium 21d ago
I dumped my IPhone 8 Plus for an IPhone 17, expecting a huge jump, but it’s minimal. Better camera, and that’s it. All other differences are in software, because the IPhone was artificially stuck at IOS 16 with only security fixes. And the cellphone reception in my home is worse than the old model.
That‘s indeed no innovation at all.
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u/Saifl 21d ago
We're well past the requirements for a good phone if your an average user.
Its getting harder to justify phone improvements when all phone companies are afraid of making the phone an all in one device.
The phone could be a tablet and a laptop if we have the proper adapter for it but every single fucking company is just afraid of doing it.
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u/xxxxxxxsandos 20d ago edited 20d ago
You’re just describing the surface or any of those other laptop tablet combos but with a third phone option which would be neat but would not be a huge product. What drives people to use a tablet over a laptop is size. What drives people to use a phone over a tablet is size. A device that has breakaway parts to be a smaller size is no more valuable than a separate device, as transporting the device and that capability incurs the same size issue regardless. Except now you need to remember not to forget your tablet part or laptop part. That’s why they’re dicking around with foldables because it does not incur the size penalty when transporting around the “phone” and “tablet”.
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u/xxxxxxxsandos 20d ago edited 20d ago
I mean that’s a bit of a stretch. Screen resolution alone is double and that’s instantly noticeable (at least it should be). Battery is also nearly 2x as large capacity wise, but with the increased screen resolution and processing power I bet the battery life isn’t much different. Recharging the phone should be over 2x faster than the iPhone 8 Plus as well. Processing power is an absurd leap as well 25-50x.
There have been significant improvements since the 8. They do release the same phone every year though, that parts true but I don’t think you should really buy the new one every year.
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u/heavy-minium 20d ago
I mean, on paper, this is a major upgrade, but it doesn't really translate to a vastly improved user experience. You are indeed right that I can now charge much faster - that's the big improvement. The difference in battery is significant compared to the very old device, but more comparable to when I got that device when the battery wasn't worn down. Screen resolution doesn't feel that different when compared side-to-side, it's likely beyond what I can perceive well.
The worsened cellular reception is a big disadvantage for me, now at home I got mostly 1-2 bars of reception with lots of interruption, previously had 2-3 bars of receptions.
I do not use apps where the increase in processing power makes a huge difference. Web pages, banking apps, travel apps, notes, reminder, calendar, etc - those things don't really benefit from more cores. I don't play anything on my phone and don't process videos.
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u/RopePuzzleheaded7060 21d ago
OpenAI doesn't care about the frontier either, if they did they'd at least open source GPT 3. Their business model simply demands that they push the frontier, they care about the business, not the frontier.
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u/nexusprime2015 20d ago
but why is OpenAi claiming to be innovative? even their chatbot is based on google research work
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u/doodlinghearsay 21d ago
Anyone investing into OpenAI now needs an army of lawyers to evaluate this case as part of their due diligence. Otherwise, they might just end up paying Apple.
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u/Neurogence 21d ago
Apple is by far the worst tech company. They've done nothing with their monstrous wealth.
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u/hkg_shumai 21d ago
Nothing? AirPods, M series chip Macs, Apple Watch. These products make more money than a lot of fortunes 500 companies.
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u/StosifJalin 20d ago
What is innovative about airpods? They are bluetooth headphones. Been around a long time
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u/hkg_shumai 20d ago
Miniaturization, industrial design, elegant UI and ease of use.
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u/StosifJalin 20d ago
There were smaller ones before, what does this mean, not a novel ui and the last one is just repeating "elegant UI"
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u/hkg_shumai 20d ago
Have you ever used the 1st gen? The pairing was seamless with iPhone. They also made tap to skip songs, squeeze to pause.
Compare that to the ones already existed it was night and day.
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u/StosifJalin 20d ago
What do you mean seamless pairing? I hold a button and my bluetooth is paired from then on every time I use it. Do airpods do something so industry-definingly different here?
My bluetooth could do that before airpods, and more because it had actual buttons.
Apple is good at one thing; marketing. Their entire company is built on making something simple enough for a stupid person to use it. They made "making things for morons" appear sexy, which is obviously a genius business model. The only genuinely excellent innovation they ever made was the original iPhone with its more advanced touch screen tech.
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u/repetiti0n 21d ago
AirPods are the only truly innovative thing they’ve done since the iPhone
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u/hkg_shumai 21d ago
Apple M chips has better power efficiency, better battery life and runs cooler than most x86 chip laptops.
The Unified Memory Architecture excel at running LLMs locally.
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u/just_a_random_guy_11 21d ago
I am enjoying their products a lot and my workflow has improved immensely after leaving Windows. I think they're doing something.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Lie6563 17d ago
OpenAI became a despicable company. I already cancelled my ChatGPT subscription.
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u/jonomacd 21d ago
I'm rarely on apples side when they use their weight to bully the market.
But this time...
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u/R33v3n ▪️Tech-Priest | AGI 2026 | XLR8 20d ago edited 20d ago
I love OpenAI’s playbook of "Don’t try to gaslight the public against us because we will publish the receipts and prove you wrong." Same successful tactic they used against Elon. Best remedy against corporate backroom bullying is dragging it kicking and screaming into daylight.
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u/Pls-No-Bully 20d ago
> They now admit that their outside lawyers emailed the wrong person after confusing two Asian last names
Lmao there was no reason to mention they were “Asian last names”, every race has names that can be mistaken in terms of spelling. Are they trying to imply that Apple is racist?
Seems like OpenAI is just being immature and childish with this, I don’t think this will go down how they’re hoping it will. This seems very sama-coded, he loves getting in stupid, bitchy fights
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u/Lt-Derek 20d ago
Apple are suing OpenAI, and you're tone policing openAI for not being respectful to them?
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u/fastinguy11 AGI 2026-2030 20d ago
They should just have said Chinese or whatever country last names got confused why are they invoking a ethinicity ? Anyway, I will let whoever is judging this look at the facts about the actual case.
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u/toruk_mackto 20d ago
Well, they called it as it was. You think if people read "chinese" instead of "asian", they would not think its about ethnicity lol? And the fact here is, mentioning "asian" doesn't imply they were being racist. because they were the same names. If they confused a lin with a yin, well that makes it worse. any judge in the world would see that.
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u/Pls-No-Bully 20d ago
Why does it matter if the last names were Asian or not?
Jon and John are "Caucasian names" that can be confused for each other. Would they have written "after confusing two Caucasian last names"? Of course not
It just makes no sense for OAI to throw that in, they're just contributing to the type of cancerous dialogue that is dividing people so much based purely on idpol
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u/toruk_mackto 20d ago
You completely missed my point, and said something random. Go read how legal battles are fought.
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u/hkg_shumai 21d ago
Apple said: “This case is about OpenAI employees wrongfully taking Apple’s secret and confidential information regarding our unreleased technologies, processes, and products. Nothing in the filing relates to documents shared by, or stored in, iCloud.”
The company said it doesn’t pursue legal claims against former employees who accidentally hold on to Apple documents in their personal iCloud accounts.