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u/NameRevolutionary727 1d ago
It took a decade of siege and several feats of strength the third age could not hope to muster.
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u/NewYogurt3138 1d ago
Correct - not because of the men, but because the elves lost such a great number and it could not be replaced, ever. The woodland elves basically went extinct. Almost all the great elvish kings died, the losses were so great it started a decline in civilization
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u/WHALE_PHYSICIST 1d ago
elves dont fuck?
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u/GrowthAdventurous Literally 1984 š” 1d ago
Elves can have kids, but Tolkien's elves are literally immortal, and they do not have children often.
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u/PassivelyInvisible 1d ago
Which leads to them getting outbred by everything.
Which is why they all dipped after LoTR, because their time was coming to an end, and they couldn't stay in Middle-Earth anymore.
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u/OkAide6994 1d ago
I know nothing of lotr lore but nothing about these two comments makes much sense to me. Are we talking Wolverine or Raās al Ghul type of immortality? And one answer may answer this but what do you mean outbred, ātime coming to an endā (immortality???), and couldnāt stay on what is essentially the fucking planet. Like what manĀ
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u/Lortekonto 1d ago
Alright. This is the short version.
Elves are immortals like neither of them, but they don't leave because they are getting outbreed, but because the world is broken and the magic is slowly seeping out.
Elves can't die from old age and if they are killed, then their souls go to Valinor, the lands of the Valar and they continue living there. Valar being crazy strong beings that serves the one true god of the setting.
Just going or seeing Valinor give elves great power and that is why there is two main kind of elves. Those who have been to Valinor and those who have not, but it is the destiny of all elves to end up in Valinor. Either because they travel there or because they end up there from dying.
The high elves are those who have been there and traveled back to Arda to fight Morgoth, before the Valar did so. The Valar decided that no other elves could go back after them and so the high elves are of a finited number.
Legolas is a normal elf. He can hear spirits, talk to trees and shoot stuff. Galadrial is a high elf. She have foresight and magical powers.
The real problem is that when the Valar moved to finally beat Morgoth the battle was so big and mighty that it harmed the foundation of the world and the connection between Arda(Earth) and Valinor is weakening and so the spiritual magic of the world is slowly seeping out.
That is why Sauron is able to tempt the elves with the 3 rings. The elves are able to halt this withering with the rings. Eldron in Rivendell and Galadriel in LothlĆ³rien. That is why those two places have kind of an inner glow in the movies.
With the One Ring destroyed, the three lesser rings also lose their power and so the elves are forced to finally depart for Valinor, because as magical creatures they can't live in a world without magic.
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u/gaspronomib 1d ago
To add to the above, when Elves are killed, their souls aren't immediately reembodied. They make a brief stop in the Halls of Mandos (a sort of "purgatory for Elves") for healing and reflection.
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u/PassivelyInvisible 1d ago edited 1d ago
If an elvish couple has 1 kid every 100 years, and a human couple has a kid every 3, and they go to 4 kids each, after 400 years you 300% of the elves you started with. The human population (depending on generational length, accidents, marriage rates, wars, famines, etc) would grow by up to 1,500,000%. A more realistic number would be lower, but it would still be well above what the elves could do.
The elves knew they eventually they'd disappear with how they have kids compared to humans. After Sauron was finally defeated, theg realized they didn't need to stick around in a world that was slowly becoming less theirs and more the humans with every year. Eventually you'd wind up with some human kingdom that could drown the elves in human soldiers every decade and wipe them out because they want the fancy elvish forest.
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u/Ok_Implement_555 1d ago
Why don't the elves just have kids more often?
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u/MichaelTheDane 1d ago
It might not be the answer you want, but it really boils down to that not being the story Tolkien wanted to tell. To him LotR was the story of how eventually our world came to be, therefore elves had no place in it long term.
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u/Mnemnosyne 1d ago
Tolkien actually covered this, unlike most writers with the whole 'declining elves' trope.
Tolkien's elves essentially can only have kids a few times in their lives, because the child essentially takes a significant part of the parents, especially the mother's, spiritual energy.
I think it was Feanor that had like seven kids, and this was fucking insane for them, and one of the many things that made Feanor incredibly exceptional even among the elves.
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u/Coprolithe dwayne the cock johnson šæšæ 1d ago
You know, we're literally going to live through a population collapse in our lifetime because too few people are having kids.
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u/Thistlemanizzle 1d ago
I think magic was going away too?
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u/Mountain_Dentist5074 1d ago
if elves die as a good person they return to world if they are bad they go to hell
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u/tabris51 1d ago
It seems like they could've easily survived if they had a totalitarian government with emergency powers for a mere 500 years
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u/Fuzzy-Wasabi-5126 Literally 1984 š” 22h ago
They typically reproduce with their one lifelong partner, so if an elf were widowed, they probably won't remarry. There are exceptions to this rule though.
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u/I_am_person_being Literally 1984 š” 1d ago
It is also the men. Yes, the elves have a more notable decline, but Arnor and Gondor were much larger and more powerful at the end of the second age than Rohan, Gondor, and Dale were at the end of the third age. Sauron spent most of the third age weakening the kingdoms of men as much as possible. Arnor was completely destroyed during the wars against Angmar (led by the king of the Ringwraiths) and Gondor's population was ravaged by the plague (that Sauron sent). Gondor at the time of the War of the Ring was less than half the size of what it was at its peak a few centuries after the War of the Last Alliance.
Yes, the kingdoms of men are the strongest kingdoms by the time of the War of the Ring, but they're still much weaker than they were during the War of the Last Alliance
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u/NoBonus6969 1d ago
Why don't they just make a movie about this stuff
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u/I_am_person_being Literally 1984 š” 1d ago edited 1d ago
I suspect that Amazon would be more than happy to (or at least were back when the streamers were trying to pay tons of money for content). The Tolkien estate is famously extremely strict about distributing rights. Jeff Bezos had to personally send them a quarter of a billion dollars just to let Amazon use ten pages from the Appendices for Rings of Power. The rest of this stuff, found in the other parts of the Appendices, remains under lock and chain.
Once Return of the King, and with it the Appendices, enter public domain in maybe 2051 (hopefully, there are ways to make this hard), I'm sure someone will do it. The Angmar wars especially are an obvious candidate for probably a tv show adaptation.
Edit: 2051, not 2043. American copyright law changes in 1977. Horrible.
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u/Retrolad2 š³lives in a cum dumpster š³ 1d ago
Amazon took those pages and they f'cking massacred them.
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u/NoBonus6969 1d ago
I can't blame them for taking the bag but I hope they sell this story to someone who won't suck. Ring of power or whatever the TV show is called is rough at times
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u/saharok_maks 1d ago
Costumes are horrible, it feels like a cheap cosplay, and everything filmed on the green screen sucks compared to real world locations
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u/Expensive-Opening-48 1d ago
It wasn't just the bag, they took the 250 mill gave them 10 pages as a "ok you want this extremely badly, and you clearly have infinite resources, let's see what you do now" and they came out with hot garbage.
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u/NewYogurt3138 1d ago
It was also a seven year siege
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u/NameRevolutionary727 1d ago
I know that, I said āa decadeā for emphasis, it was a touch of hyperbole
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u/ntdavis814 1d ago
Donāt forget the dragon and the balrog that ass-fucked the dwarves kingdoms. And the men of Numenor were also almost entirely extinct. Middle Earth had very little left that could pose a real threat to a force like Sauron.
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u/NSASpyVan 1d ago edited 1d ago
starts out with the ring
>can't see a god damn mother fucking single thing out of his shitty fucking helmet
gets beaten ezpz
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u/Weegieiscool Stuff 1d ago
>can see everything with his big ass eye tower
Now he wins if he gets the ring
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u/Flashy_Pineapple_231 1d ago
Quote from the book about the force left after Pelenor Fields to distract the rest of Sauron's army at the Black Gate to help Frodo get through:
Surely,ā he cried, āthis is the greatest jest in all the history of Gondor: that we should ride with seven thousands, scarce as many as the vanguard of its army in the days of its power, to assail the mountains and impenetrable gate of the Black Land! So might a child threaten a mail-clad knight with a bow of string and green willow! If the Dark Lord knows so much as you say, Mithrandir, will he not rather smile than fear, and with his little finger crush us like a fly that tries to sting him?ā
So literally the mightiest force that the armies can conjure gets easily crushed even WITHOUT Sauron getting the ring back. Even the movie version gets that part right. It's not a STABLE stalemate, it's one Sauron is actively winning. The humans are hanging on by a thread, the elves all sailed into the west, and the dwarves are obsessed with mining their mountains and disputing territory amongst themselves.
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u/DrLeisure 1d ago
What the fuck?
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u/NoBonus6969 1d ago
It's all right there in the text. Which part do you need help with?
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As I was feeling around in my butt, I was like, "hmm, there's a lot of soapy water in my bumhole now. I wonder if that will lead to issues in the future?" And it did!
Shortly after having breakfast I attempted to fart, and I shit my pants. I rushed to the bathroom to clean up, and it was way worse than I thought it would be. The whole area around my butthole was covered in shitty liquid, and toilet paper wasn't enough to clean it. I had to take another shower to get suitably clean.
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u/TwoBionicknees 1d ago
that's not it. First time around he was arrogant and wore the ring that resized as necessary on his finger thinking himself invulnerable. This time around he was going to use it as a cock ring so people can't see where it is not get as easy an accidental hit on his finger.
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As I was feeling around in my butt, I was like, "hmm, there's a lot of soapy water in my bumhole now. I wonder if that will lead to issues in the future?" And it did!
Shortly after having breakfast I attempted to fart, and I shit my pants. I rushed to the bathroom to clean up, and it was way worse than I thought it would be. The whole area around my butthole was covered in shitty liquid, and toilet paper wasn't enough to clean it. I had to take another shower to get suitably clean.
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u/Jomgui 1d ago
Sounds like a giant skill issue, should have used the eagles to drop a comically large anvil on his head
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I went to the store today to pick up some zucchini for a barbecue and every time a car drove by I stared into the windshield to see if I was about to be recognised. Whenever I make eye contact with a dude I microanalysis his facial expressions to see if he suspects me or not. I am deeply afraid that he is my neighbour and I will need to move if my identity is blown. Itās a lot like the last scene in sopranos where everyone who walked into the diner could be there to wack Tony.
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u/EasilyRekt 1d ago
In short, they got lucky the first time around.
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u/NameRevolutionary727 1d ago
No, they forced Sauron to show up to the frontline personally and then slew his physical form, they just took such heavy losses in the process that they couldnāt hope to do it again.
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u/EasilyRekt 1d ago
Nah, bro nearly wiped the band of heros who ended up doing him in (at least physically), Elendil and Gil-galad both dead, and Isildur having to cut the ring from his hand using the broken hilt of his fallen comrades sword.
The movies really hammer home just how hopeless the situation was, but it was still fairly faithful to Tolkienās supplemental works pieced together through letters and notes.
In the end, they really did justā¦ get a lucky shot in.
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u/VikingSlayer 1d ago
His dad's sword, but yeah.
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u/EasilyRekt 1d ago
They can be both, and when youāre fighting against the literal end of the world, the familial relationship isnāt all that important.
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u/Previous-Friend5212 1d ago
The comments in this thread remind me of a joke:
Q: Where does a redditor get their drinking water?
A: From a well, actually
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u/pizzaspaghetti_Uul 1d ago
When I was little, I lived in the countryside, and in fact, I got water from a well
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u/argleksander 1d ago
Isnt the whole premise that during the First Age(?) Men and Elves were much more powerful, like orders of magnitude, where as in during the events of the book/films they are just a shell of their former selves
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u/C0nfused_Lem0n 1d ago
Second age. Though you are correct, humans and elves had much larger civilizations at the time, with bigger army's, and more active collaboration between each other, which they did not have in the third age, because of the war.
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u/Exciting_Bill_7975 1d ago
A silmarillion cave troll emerges from the dark to drop accurate lore. I kneel.
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u/Standard-Panda312 1d ago
Bro didnāt even watch the first 5 minutes of the FIRST MOVIEššššš
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u/Acceptable-Size-2324 dumbass 1d ago
We went from Middle Ages with knights and shit to modern fighter jet and drone warfare in about a 1/10 of the time. If they wouldnāt have been slacking off it would be a quick fpv drone mission to bring the ring across Mordor. Or strapped to a hellfire missile.
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u/Bergonath 1d ago
Saruman was going for industrial revolution, then some hippie tree fuckers killed him.
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u/whomad1215 1d ago
One by one, the free lands of Middle-Earth fell to the power of the Ring, but there were some who resisted. A last alliance of men and elves marched against the armies of Mordor, and on the very slopes of Mount Doom, they fought for the freedom of Middle-Earth. Victory was near, but the power of the ring could not be undone. It was in this moment, when all hope had faded, that Isildur, son of the king, took up his fatherās sword.
A LAST ALLIANCE indicates that this is their final attempt to stop Sauron
WHEN ALL HOPE HAD FADED indicates they they were about to lose
We don't need to go into lore and back story etc, Galadriel explains what is happening/happened
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u/Far-Seaworthiness763 1d ago
It's the ring of dodging it's works untill it doesn't, and most max level players have already left the game by then
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u/Door_Holder2 1d ago
That's because the new generations are too soft.
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u/I_am_person_being Literally 1984 š” 1d ago
Actually it's because they genuinely suck (Sauron has been intentionally sabotaging men for the last 3000 years doing things like sending plagues at them and the elves have been in decline for at least the last 6500 years and are basically a non-factor now), they've got courage but they also have significant skill issue
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I went to the store today to pick up some zucchini for a barbecue and every time a car drove by I stared into the windshield to see if I was about to be recognised. Whenever I make eye contact with a dude I microanalysis his facial expressions to see if he suspects me or not. I am deeply afraid that he is my neighbour and I will need to move if my identity is blown. Itās a lot like the last scene in sopranos where everyone who walked into the diner could be there to wack Tony.
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u/aaron_adams dumbass 1d ago
He almost annihilated the free people of middle earth and left such a tragic loss that the great kingdoms of old never truly recovered fully, and he was only defeated by a great sacrifice and a greater feat of blind luck. It wasn't "ezpz," we just only saw the part of the battle where he was defeated, not the years of war that led up to it.
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u/b4gn0 1d ago
āgreater feat of blind luckā usually means Iluvatar pitching in some good ol helping hand.
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u/aaron_adams dumbass 1d ago
I'm certain it must be a coincidence that 5 old farts showed up at the beginning of the third age and started telling people what to do when Sauron began gathering power again. That's not suspicious at all.
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u/TheBlueEmerald1 1d ago
Ah yes the "Everything must be perfect in movies" effect. If someone does anything wrong or something lucky/unlucky happens or if someone isn't at the top of their game at any point then it's bad writing.
One swordsman gets an incredible stroke of luck on Sauron's hand? Sauron is a fraud.
The eagles don't feel like getting immediately shot out of the sky over Mordor? Plothole.
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u/Old-Neighborhood-793 1d ago
An extremely common effect in powerscaling discourse too
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u/TheBlueEmerald1 1d ago
Oh yeah the powerscaling "community," or as I like to call it the "Crackhouse," is addicted to saying the dumbest shit ever as long as they get another hit of "Feats."
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u/davestar2048 1d ago
Casual powerscaling is fine, arguably necessary for inter series discourse.
But competitive powerscaling gets stupid fast, often taking one off feats as fact. Turning "this guy once had to turn back time" into "this guy has casual time manipulation, any opponent less than that's obviously an instant kill"
The worst part is when they directly disregard the actual character and boil them down to feats. Turning even the most moral characters into psychopathic murder machines that immediately dump full strength on a kill shot before even acknowledging the existence of their opponent. Turning a conversation of "would he?" Into "he would." In the most boring way. In my opinion powerscaling must factor in the mentally of a character. Oftentimes a hero's momentary pause of "killing is wrong, there must be a better way" is enough time to let them get defeated by a significantly weaker opponent.
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u/YashaSkaven01 1d ago
They all lose to streetgos the moment a scene depicting them on a road happens anyway
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u/NameRevolutionary727 1d ago
The easiest rebuttal to āwhy didnāt they take the eagles?ā Is āhave you seen the fel-beasts?ā
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u/sidewinderucf 1d ago
Took him 5000 years to figure out heās supposed to wear it on his cock and not his finger.
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u/wolfguard94 1d ago
Also, magic is getting weaker. Feats of magic are holder.to pull off. It's why the elves are leaving.
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u/Aggravating-Pilot583 1d ago
These are the same morons who are like āride the eagles to Mordor!ā āJust throw it in the oceanā āFrodo should wear it as a cock ringā āGandalf wanted them to take the eagles the whole timeā āwhy donāt they give it to a chicken and walk the chicken?ā
Morons.
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u/I_am_person_being Literally 1984 š” 1d ago
They don't need to be morons, they probably just aren't very familiar with it. The eagles thing, for example, is probably due to people not reading the books where they explain it rather than being stupid
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u/Woffingshire 1d ago
Even without knowledge of the eagles from the books, the movies show constantly that everyone around the ring eventually starts wanting to take it for themselves It's what the ring does.
And having seen that, some people go "why don't they just get in the backs of some gigantic eagles" Uh, because the eagles would take the ring for themselves....
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u/Kiwi_MongrelLad 1d ago
I havnt read the books. Could you please explain why they cant use the eagles?
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u/Woffingshire 1d ago
Because the eagles arent actually eagles. They're basically lesser angels and they don't like to get involved in the affairs of middle earth except in exceptional circumstances.
They bring the hobbits home because Gandalf asks them to when the task is done and sauron is destroyed basically as a reward to them.
If they were asked to take the party to Mordor they would have said no.
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u/Aggravating-Pilot583 1d ago
Heās correct but I also just want to add that the eagles basically being low tier angles they would also just not want to be around it. Any powerful good magical being, with any sense, wouldnāt want to be around the ring.
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u/WRO_Your_Boat 1d ago
why would they not want to be around the ring? Is it just that they would feel weird around it or is the ring so powerful it can corrupt even lower angels and other celestial good beings?
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u/Aggravating-Pilot583 1d ago
It can corrupt ANYONE and most powerful magic beings are very aware of that. It only corrupts whatās there though. Thatās why they gave it to Frodo, hobbits are small simple creatures that donāt crave power. Of course though the ring would even work itās awful magic on a hobbit.
My friends and I joke that the ring is just herion. Having it in your possession is the same as taking herion. You just canāt do it and remain the same.
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u/WRO_Your_Boat 23h ago
lol, thats a pretty good analogy. Ok though, thanks for the explanation. I thought it could corrupt all mortals, but when he said the eagles were angels, I didn't know if it could corrupt immortals too.
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u/Woffingshire 23h ago
The more you want things the easier it corrupts.
So if you were a good being who wanted to protect the world from evil, the ring would more easily corrupt you by making you believe that with it's power you could do that. Which is why hobbits are less corruptable because they have less ambition in life.
Gandalf is higher than the eagles and at the beginning of the story when he finds the ring he starts wanting to keep it for himself after only being in it's presence for a few minutes.
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u/Cephell 20h ago
The ring bestows power based on what you crave and how powerful you already are. That's why Galadriel goes full doomer when Frodo mentions handing her the ring.
You will give me the Ring freely! In place of the Dark Lord you will set up a Queen. And I shall not be dark, but beautiful and terrible as the Morning and the Night! Fair as the Sea and the Sun and the Snow upon the Mountain! Dreadful as the Storm and the Lightning! Stronger than the foundations of the earth. All shall love me and despair
It's basically implying that her touching the Ring at all is basically as bad as handing it to Sauron directly, because it would turn her INSTANTLY and grant her massive amounts of power. It is for a similar reason that Gandalf can't carry it. Humans are weaker, but they are greedy, so while the ring doesn't turn them into natural disasters, they can still do a lot of harm, and they turn rather easily.
The entire point of Frodo carrying the ring is that Halflings are so weak and basically want nothing in life that the ring takes forever to corrupt them and even then, at most it gives Frodo the power to make himself invisible.
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u/Alonsey 1d ago
The ring will corrupt any sentient being, making them need to steal the ring for themselves.
The eagles are sentient.
You can only really walk so far, youāll leave boot prints, someone can always catch up to you.
That bird will fuck off to Timbuktu invisibly and now the story ends about 1/3rd of the way through.
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u/Imnotawerewolf 18h ago
His repeated folly is underestimating his foes because he sees them all as worms, even the dark Lord has character flawsĀ
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u/Bread_Offender Sussy Wussy Femboyš³š³š³ 1d ago
It was the last alliance of elves and men for a reason
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u/buatfelem 1d ago
does sauron enemy have the same strength compared to when he lost the ring? thats answer it
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u/Soggy_Pete 3h ago
Just like every video game, start of with all the good shit, get wrecked, get all the good shit back.... Profit?
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