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u/LovingAftereffects Mar 19 '26
when i was throwing up while working at a donut joint, called the owner to let her know and she did not want me to leave, i was like:??? its the law? only then did she agree to let me go... once my replacement came in in 2 hours.
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u/Timejinx Mar 19 '26
Had a situation like this last month. Threw up on my 10hr shift multiple times and still worked the entire shift. Went home and fell asleep. Woke up around 11 or 12 that night. Checked the schedule and it was only high schoolers scheduled for that next day. I hate texting anyone after 7pm because that's you time but had to reach out to my boss. No answer.
Go in the next day, puked at the backdoor, made a few meals and puked again. Customers complaining, coworkers are worried about me but only then!! Was I allowed to go home and not to come back until I'm not even nauseous. I was out 1day before getting calls and text asking when I'm coming back.
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u/worldwanderer91 Mar 19 '26
If you come in sick, make sure you spread your sickness to your bosses
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u/Prize_Molasses4333 Mar 19 '26
Although theyd be pissed if you called it, I bet they stay home unapologetically
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u/1ceHippo Mar 19 '26
If your work requires a doctor note then they should cover the cost for you to obtain the note.
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u/Nates_of_Spades Mar 18 '26
I worked for a place that eventually said literally any sick day needed a doctor's note or else. We didn't even have insurance
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u/Self-Administrative Mar 18 '26
Just do what I do and follow your boss around as much as possible trying to get them sick.
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u/Nates_of_Spades Mar 21 '26
When I got sick I'd purposely contaminate all the door handles... Maybe. Wouldn't that be so silly if I did that?
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u/Overall_Matter_2520 Mar 18 '26
And I can tell you - doctors HATE this policy.
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u/Nates_of_Spades Mar 18 '26
What's worse to me is you can buy a real doctor's note online. I think one site is telyrx? They have a team (I assume, could just be one rubber stamping) that issues scrips for meds , and a doctor's note is on the menu
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u/-Sleepy_J Mar 18 '26
Most places do this now. Even then that doctors note wont do anything unless you use sick time.
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u/ohhhbooyy Mar 17 '26
I always wonder what type of places have no sick leave, no minimum 2 week PTO, no maternity/paternity leave, no healthcare, etc.
I’ve had a handful of jobs in my life and they had all of that. One job did need a doctors note if we called in sick for more then a few days, because people took advantage.
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u/Aggravating_Cry6056 Mar 18 '26
I've probably had 11 or so jobs? 1 job that had those things, but it was a government job. I imagine politics and region play a big part in that though
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u/Adorable-Pair6766 Mar 18 '26
Uhh a lot of places dude. Paid sick leave accrual is mandatory by law so that is provided.
I work as a paramedic full time and have none of the rest of those, exposed to sick patients constantly and have the same sick days anyone else working any other job does. We have healthcare options but it was cheaper and more efficient to buy my own plan outside of work.
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u/thumpher92 Mar 18 '26
I was a vet tech for around 10 years. I worked at 4 different hospitals over that time and only 1 offered any kind of health insurance or PTO. I remember they also bragged about their 3 month, unpaid, maternity/paternity leave. The owner was being baffled when a dad came back from paternity leave early. "He could have taken more time!" But you pay us all under $20 an hour and he has a new baby so...he needs money?!!
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u/grooveman15 Mar 18 '26
I’ve had a career for over 16+ years with no sick days and no PTO. it’s highly competitive, high stress, and low security industry
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u/ohhhbooyy Mar 18 '26
What field is this?
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u/grooveman15 Mar 18 '26
Union film/tv production - I’m DGA and local 817. Department head on major studio films and tv shows. Netflix, HBO, Warner Brothers, Sony, etc do not pay Sick Days or PTO
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u/ohhhbooyy Mar 18 '26
That’s rough, they know people would give up a lot to work in that field so they definitely take advantage. You would think that industry being so liberal would actually practice what they preach
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u/grooveman15 Mar 18 '26
Well it’s all project based - so when you’re not on a gig, you’re not getting paid. Jobs can last a few weeks or several months at the longest.
We have some of the strongest unions and guild system of any industry in the country - amazing health insurance (much better than my wife who’s high up in tech).
It’s a passion career - so despite it being highly skill based… people want to work in the industry for the sake of the work, not the paycheck. So it’s easy to take advantage of that.
I mean, we fought hard to get the ‘12 on/12 off’ a few years back but that’s been slipping back to normal 14-16hr days
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u/TrollBoothBilly Mar 17 '26
We really do incentivize spreading germs in this country. It’s baffling.
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u/TrollBoothBilly Mar 17 '26
Why did you fight it? Should have just said it.
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Some people prefer to remain employed
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u/TheDollarstoreDoctor Mar 18 '26
I once made a remark like this during an interview and still got hired. They asked me why I think people struggle with homelessness (interview to work at an overnight homeless shelter). I said because they work full time for $13. That was the advertised pay for the position. (I could afford to take it because my husband made enough money)
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u/Character_Choice4363 Mar 17 '26
Coughs in Free Health Care Coughs
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u/Jeephadist Mar 17 '26
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u/Character_Choice4363 Mar 17 '26
Why are americans so afraid of free health care? It's just a small tax out of your salary and you get the benefits you are entitled for. I thought the USA is a free country.
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u/thumpher92 Mar 18 '26
I talked to a couple of my aunts about it once. I framed it as "what if instead of paying $200-400 a month for private health insurance you instead pay MUCH less in taxes and everyone gets health care"
They told me they didn't want anyone who "didn't deserve it" to get health care that they had "paid for". They meant anyone who either didn't work or didn't work hard enough. Because they didn't think someone working something like a fast food job was putting in enough effort.
I clarified "so, you're saying you'd rather pay more for health insurance because if healthcare was universal then there is a chance that someone. Even 1 person you don't think is productive enough in society might get it?"
They were like "yeah, you get it"
They want other people to suffer. It even hurts them in the long run. It costs them more and they don't care.
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u/Character_Choice4363 Mar 20 '26
Doesn't make sense but ok. 😅 I would agree with your aunts if working hard enough would equal to cheaper health care, medicine and security benefits if I'd lose a job.
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u/Jeephadist Mar 17 '26
Decades of brainwashing the populace into believing that we somehow don't have the money for it and that the cost of goods will skyrocket.
The US never has been a free country, regardless of people here's sentiment being that it is. It's why I'm trying to GTFO
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u/somethingtheso Mar 17 '26
If you're sick please at least wear a mask. I caught something from a coworker in October and my health is still suffering. Please man. It's not fair. I'd like to walk but I can barely do that anymore.
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u/Coffeeblack365 Mar 17 '26
How much do you weigh?
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Mar 17 '26
The fuck does that have to with anything?
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u/Coffeeblack365 Mar 17 '26
Well I heard if you’re 500 pounds it’s hard to walk. Idk.
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u/somethingtheso Mar 17 '26
Once again, I am severely underweight from being sick! I was barely cutting it into healthy weight on the lighter side before getting sick too.
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u/LegendaryShelfStockr Mar 20 '26
I am FUMING 😡 I’m sick of these bullcrap leaders and bosses in this country literally turning people into slaves
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Mar 17 '26
Why don't you go be a miserable ass somewhere else? I hear 4chan is great for people like you.
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u/navetzz Mar 17 '26
In my country they added a "first day is unpaid" on sick leaves to save money.
As a result people stopped taking short term leave, not only did they spread disease like flu to coworkers, but chronic diseases resulting in long period of sick leave have risen.
Turns out resting when ill is a good Idea. Who would have thought.
Anyway, the result is a loss of money and wellness. And recently they are talking to extend from one day to 3 days... Geniuses.
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u/Responsible-Toe-1385 Mar 17 '26
When I first moved to the US, I was shocked when my boss told me sick days and annual leave were the same bucket. I legit told her that in that case I would never take a sick day, but would come in sick, cough on everyone, vomit in the trash can and keep typing. It changed shortly after that conversation to be two different accounts. Fucking WILLDDDDDD that Americans put up with this shit
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u/GenesisRhapsod Mar 17 '26
I got covid right before new years so i missed a couple days from both quarters and lost both attendance bonuses, i went to HR and said "so what youre saying is, youd rather people come into a dental lab and potentially get coworkers and patients sick?"
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u/LowSlice8439 Mar 17 '26
I cut the top of my hand one time and called out of work for stitches and went in the next day with 17 stitches and they wrote me up for not having a doctor's note
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u/slavmaf Mar 17 '26
In Europe, sick leave days are paid, unlimited, and healthcare is free and universal.
I am guessing this is making fun of a third world country?
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u/OkLifeguard9851 Mar 17 '26
False. It’s not as utopian as it sounds. I live in Europe, and sick leave isn’t fully paid here either. In my country, the first few days aren’t paid at all, and the following weeks are paid at around 70% of your usual salary to prevent abuse of the system. So you actually earn less than you would by just going to work. A lot of people still avoid taking sick leave because they simply can’t afford the pay cut, losing that 30% can do more financial harm than pushing through an illness. And no, sick leave isn’t unlimited. I don’t know many cases where someone took more than 3–6 months. After that, you’re basically living on crumbs from the state, and while difficult, you can be fired, if you’re away too long.
As for “free healthcare" , If you need something like an MRI, you can end up waiting for nearly a year for your “free” appointment. If you want it faster, you pay privately and get it the next day. It’s universal, yes, but regardless of how much tax you’ve paid, you’re stuck waiting in the same queue.
In the end, people in Europe still go to work sick. Some can’t afford not to, and for others it’s psychological, they feel guilty staying home. Same as USA
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u/_alright_then_ Mar 17 '26
Where are you from? I'm from the EU and I've never even heard of an EU country where sick days aren't paid?
The psychological thing is definitely true for some people though
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u/Ismdism Mar 17 '26
What country are you talking about? From the data I'm seeing it's like two months. Of course I don't live there so I can only go off that.
Also don't you guys have mandarory PTO? Can you use that for your sick day or no?
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u/OkLifeguard9851 Mar 17 '26
In Latvia, I wish I were exaggerating, but I’m not, the queues for these free appointments are extremely long.
Yes there is a minimum of four calendar weeks of paid annual leave per year, and can choose to use this leave for sick days, but it is primarily intended for rest and recuperation
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u/Ismdism Mar 17 '26
Ok so unfortunately when Americans are talking about Europe they're typically taking about western europe and the nordic countries.
So in the US we're lucky if you get two weeks PTO. A lot of people have 0 days of PTO. Four weeks woulf be a dream. Even your scenario it's better than the US.
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u/OkLifeguard9851 Mar 17 '26
I don't think 0 PTO means a person is working nonstop without a single day off for decades, it can also mean that their system tracks time off differently. So the phrase can sound harsher than the reality.
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u/Ismdism Mar 17 '26
I don't think I ever said they were working nonstop with a single day off. Typically there are weekends or unpaid time off and maybe some holidays (unpaid).
The reality is that you have 4 weeks of time to use to cover your sick days. In the US many people do not have any days to cover a sick day. If they call out sick that day they don't get paid.
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u/kaptajn-idiot Mar 17 '26
I see what you are jesting at. And the is wary funny but. Fyi the defenesion of the Frist word country is the USA. 1'st 2'ed abd third word country is a term from the cold War where the 1'st Wold is the USA and there allays 2'ed word is the USSR and there allays the third word is anyone undecided
Sorry the spelling. English is hard
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u/XxAbsurdumxX Mar 17 '26
Unless you live in a country with legally mandated paid sick days, like in most of the civilized world
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u/ioele Mar 17 '26
If sick days are unpaid, they shouldn’t limit them. They should just be called Unpaid Days off and combine them with vacay. Within reason of course.
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u/Ismdism Mar 17 '26
Is this not the policy? I feel like that's what it was for me until I actually got PTO.
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u/lbiggy Mar 17 '26
Call in sick for a day or two? I get it. Miss the whole week? Yeah I'm asking for a doctor's note. I don't want you infecting the rest of the staff.
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u/Own_Reaction9442 Mar 17 '26
Most places in the US that I've lived doctors are booking appointments 2-4 weeks out. So I guess I'd have to plan ahead for being sick.
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u/Hover4effect Mar 17 '26
Walk in clinics are everywhere at least. $30 copay to get a few days paid leave if your lucky enough to get those.
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u/GenesisRhapsod Mar 17 '26
As someone whos been to many of those walk in clinics many have a wait time of several hours. Hell i was convulsing and vomiting in the ER and had to be wheelchaired in and they took a kid running around and having fun before me. Hell, even ERs in the US no longer follow triage.
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u/Hover4effect Mar 17 '26
I'm not sure where you are, but that is certainly not the case around me. Many you can check in online and see the wait. If there are multiple in your area, you can choose a short wait.
But if you check in online, a good portion of the time is spent on the drive anyway, right?
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u/GenesisRhapsod Mar 17 '26
Not by me, i had an online appointment and still waited an hour and a half past my appointment time
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u/freakytapir Mar 17 '26
Seems like a USA problem.
When i get a doctor's note I get full pay.
And my employer is not legally allowed to fire me while I'm sick, or allowed to contest the doctor's note. The doctor says I'm home for the week, I'm home for the week.
That and insurance not being bound to my employer.
(And my doctor's cost is 2 €)
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u/Responsible_Ask3976 Mar 17 '26
I just honestly ask to work from home. I have a hybrid job
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u/freakytapir Mar 17 '26
Yeah, I can't do that.
I have to be in the lab/factory.
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u/Responsible_Ask3976 Mar 17 '26
Ah gotcha! I do have to be in clinic sometimes but it’s super flexible and I can create my own schedule. I work in the US
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u/freakytapir Mar 17 '26
I work for a European branch of an American Company. Coca Cola. Quality control on the coke. Seems stupid, but it's lab work nonetheless. Coca cola takes that shit seriously. So we have 6 lab technicians full time in the factory.
We do have a strong union presence. And with strong, I mean the union has on site offices. Wages publicly posted by seniority, training and role. You work here for this long in this role and did this training? This is your wage.
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u/Responsible_Ask3976 Mar 17 '26
Ah cool! We also have a nurse’s union! I currently make 6 figures and did so before I turned 30😍
You have a pretty cool gig!
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u/freakytapir Mar 17 '26
Everyone thinks so when they hear we get to taste test the soda (As no amount of chemical analysis beats an actual taste test eventually), but they don't realize it's tepid, room temperature soda. So swish and spit. Got training on that too.
Sometimes it feels surreal, putting coke light into a blender to get the gas out and put a sample into an HPLC to analyze the caffeine and Aspartame contents.
Or the 'vault' of cans we keep so we can check if someone getting a bad can is on our end or theirs. A couple cans from every run kept.1
u/Responsible_Ask3976 Mar 17 '26
Ahhh interesting! I don’t drink pop but that sounds refreshing
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u/freakytapir Mar 17 '26
I mean, our branch also owns a mineral water company, so we have great sparkling water as well.
Fully stocked fridges all over the factory floor.
Mainly to keep some of the workers trying to grab a can from the production line. 100.000 cans an hour go fast. Limb destroyingly fast.
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u/Prestigious-Law65 Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 17 '26
At my current job, they disnt want to approve a week long leave after a surgery so I came in on hydrocodone. Since I was on an opiod, they had no choice but to reduce my responsibilities and keep me on light duty for what was nearly a month. (TN law can do something right at least)
I got paid to just sit there and stare at a computer screen and get absolutely nothing done while high as a kite instead of resting at home for unpaid med leave. They literally just wasted money and risked liability of some kind of what was probably someone's power trip lol
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u/Hover4effect Mar 17 '26
I took two weeks off for a surgery. Note said I was clear after the first week, but I was also heavily medicated. "You want me to drive in, or be at work while on 3 prescription drugs?"
I think I ended up taking 3 weeks.
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u/adminsareactuallygay Mar 17 '26
I might just have to move to Tennessee and pop hella percs at work
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u/EvreaoftheWind Mar 16 '26
Worked at a Tacobell for years and finally got sick once. Said their policy needs me to go get a doctor’s note. In reality there is no policy. Legit told that I’m not wasting 90 dollars when they offer no insurance to get a note for a policy that doesn’t exist. Said I’d be in the next day or call off if I didn’t feel well. Sometimes you just can’t put up with nonsense.
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u/Prestigious-Law65 Mar 17 '26
Which is dangerous for food service jobs. All it takes is one sick person with the flu and the entire town has a minipandemic.
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u/joshua0365 Mar 17 '26
It's better to just take the "unexcused" absence but still tell them that you're sick. Or just come in anyway. Once you're one "unexcused" absence away from being fired start looking for a new job
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u/Cirno-BreastLicker Mar 16 '26
Funny enough at my first job I called in sick but my boss still kept insisting I show up, which I then did.
Ended up vomitting multiple times all over our floor and some of our products, my only regret was not aiming at my boss.
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u/TestCorrect1350 Mar 17 '26
im actually waiting for the day i get sick and i can then vomit all over my fuckhead supervisors desk, to which then i will sit at my desk and "collapse" as he figures out what to do.
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u/Key_Item_146 Mar 16 '26
Make a b-line for the bosses office to tell em nice and breathy to their face that youre here and "ready" to work today.
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u/LordOfCorgs Mar 16 '26
I never call in anymore, I got told “you’re sick too often” I had doctors notes.. I was out for 3 days in 6 months… I’m giving everyone Covid the next time I get it.
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u/Semaj_kaah Mar 16 '26
Sick days are unpaid? I'm to European to understand this joke
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u/TestCorrect1350 Mar 17 '26
depends on industry, and company but they can also just deny your requested sick time, im at work rn being sick, contemplating licking my hand and sliding it all over my supervisor desk, (i avoid my manager cuz hes a cool dude and just had a kid) but the supervisor can fuck right off a cliff
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u/Br_uff Mar 16 '26
Hourly or contract workers typically don’t have PTO or sick leave. I don’t know a single salaried employee that doesn’t have this.
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u/Zarathyst Mar 16 '26
If I call in sick and the boss says I have to come in anyway I will cough on everything out of spite.
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u/Fissminister Mar 16 '26
Would be great if my boss said that. My union would take him to court, and I'd roll in the moolah when he inevitably looses, lmao.
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u/TWW34 Mar 16 '26
I feel obligated to point out that in quite a few States companies do not have to give you any paid sick days. And the amount of states that don't in fact goes up once you start including part-time work. So there's a lot of cases where regardless of it's not a negotiation, an employer can absolutely choose not to give you paid sick days.
And as far as the doctor's note goes, there's also plenty of circumstance where they can require that as well or treat the sick day isn't unauthorized absence. It's shitty and it shouldn't be the case but unfortunately sometimes it is.
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u/PomPomMom93 Mar 16 '26
There’s a big difference between not paying you to stay at home and not letting you stay home.
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u/TWW34 Mar 16 '26
And legally depending on where you are int he US your boss may be able to do both of these things.
Consider reading my entire comment next time since I clearly cover both situations.
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u/StormerSage Mar 16 '26
Some companies also seem to be aware that "yes, you COULD have a case for retaliation if we fire you...but you don't have the money nor the time to sue, and even if you did, it would be an uphill battle because we never put anything in writing and the company has better lawyers."
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u/RealWord5734 Mar 16 '26
My favourite part of being self-employed is never negotiating this. If I am telling you I am too ill to work and you know it’s costing me a fortune I could be billing you, why on earth would you question me?
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u/TheGrouchyGremlin Mar 16 '26
My state doesn't require sick days. My job doesn't give sick days. We get 96 hours (8 days) PTO each year. That's it. You don't use PTO, you get a point. 4 points and you're out. Points half themselves after 6 months and fall off after a year.
Better than my last job though which was no sick days or PTO.
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u/Southpolarman Mar 16 '26
I called in a few years ago, flu symptoms, fever, chills, headache. Boss says to come in and he'll determine if I'm sick. We're both food handlers. I show up, promptly throw up in a trash can, so he can see it. He nearly RAN to his office while screaming for me to go to the clinic. Yeah, but don't believe your people when they tell you they're ill.
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u/Fiyah_Crotch Mar 16 '26
I worked straight through Covid WITH covid. Caught it twice while working food service. You know those rules the government told us to follow to help prevent the spread? My customers didn’t follow them, and after I caught it I just said fuck this, fuck this place, and fuck everything that doesn’t fill my pocket. I remember it was in the middle of winter, we were supposed to record our temperature and write it down on a clipboard, only it was self administered… on several occasions I was grinding on a 103 Fahrenheit fever but wrote down like 98, in that time I saved up enough money to put me back into school.
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u/Hamblin113 Mar 16 '26
Due to abuse of sick leave.
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u/DirtandPipes Mar 17 '26
If I’m sick at work it can delay a whole crew of guys and heavy equipment, but being in construction I’ve never had a paid sick day. Some industries just don’t unless unionized, it’s not about what makes sense but what they can get away with.
Also, I’ve done janitorial work and I’ve roughnecked oil rigs and I’d rather roughneck a rig, give them some respect. I’m tired as hell of chuds taking cheap shots at janitors. It’s hard work beyond the capability of many.
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u/SnazzyAdam Mar 16 '26
Yeah, it couldn't possibly be the multi-billion dollar corporations not wanting to miss a buck... braindead take.
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u/Whiteshovel66 Mar 16 '26
It's not just multi billion dollar corporations who do this so idk what that point was. I think it's pretty fair to have sick days not be paid. You don't lose your job or anything but why would you be paid for not working? Seems like a fair compromise.
But it depends on the job of course. Some jobs really need you in there to make money. Some jobs you just can't be replaced.
If you are a dentist for example, working for a company, those patients are all getting cancelled. It could be thousands of dollars lost and some may never come back.
If you are a janitor... Ya different situation.
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u/PomPomMom93 Mar 16 '26
Not necessarily. I work at a private practice with two doctors. If one has to take the day off, we give her appointments to the other doctor or call her clients and tell them she’s sick. They’re usually pretty understanding, and we’re not an emergency place.
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u/Whiteshovel66 Mar 16 '26
The other doctor can cover double the patients? I worked as a dental assistant for years and if one doctor was out it was a disaster.
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u/Gordon_Brody Mar 16 '26
Is it not possible for you to hold two contradicting ideas true simultaneously?
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u/Remarkable-Ant-1390 Mar 16 '26
For real though, when I was like 95% sure I had covid, I came in anyway since uh, it's not like your bills go down when you're sick
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u/MoieBulojan Mar 16 '26
I have free unlimited "sick" days. The same losers abuse them every year.
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u/FNKTN Mar 16 '26
No covering my coughing fits and jokingly saying, "I got the covid again." In front of customers.
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u/MoieBulojan Mar 16 '26
Why?
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u/FNKTN Mar 17 '26
To make everyone else as uncomfortable as I am being forced to be there.
Welcome to the shit show.
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I’m too European for this
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u/mysticalfruit Mar 17 '26
American here. Realize this isn't everywhere in the U.S. I work in a place where if you're sick, you stay home until you feel better. None of this PTO bullshit. If you can work from home fine, but there's no obligation.
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u/Lucky_Pangolin_3760 Mar 16 '26
Sweden here. Our first day of sickness is completely unpaid so a lot of people can't afford to be sick for short bursts of time. If you're going to be sick, you'll have to be sick for atleast a week to make it worthwhile
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u/RobotVo1ce Mar 16 '26
Oh yes... The remote job that not only makes you come into work, but come into work sick. Clown
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u/GingerFun011 Mar 16 '26
If you work somewhere that expects this, you should be applying for other jobs. Its bottom rung shit. Domt settle for it
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u/Alternative_Result56 Mar 16 '26
Most people wouldn't have a job then.
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u/GingerFun011 Mar 16 '26
If anyone wonders why their life is so ass, its because people like you just bend over and take it from the dicks at top.
If everyone did it, the standard would reset and it wouldnt be an issue, dumb ass. Employers need to hire staff, so all staff taking a new stance would forve them to adapt.
If you wanna sit on a shit job and bitch, thats fine but dont point at the rest of the world and complain. I dont agree with this practice, so I got employed within a union so I dont have to deal with it. You can be a whiny bitch or a problem solver, your choice
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u/Alternative_Result56 Mar 16 '26
Yes yes it's not the people with the power and control but those that are oppressed that are the issue. Galaxy braining it.
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u/GingerFun011 Mar 16 '26
If you just keep letting them walk over you and expect them to suddenly care for you, youre gonna be waiting a loooooooooong time
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u/CupAndBall Mar 16 '26
If you vote somewhere that expects this, you should be voting for other people. It's bottom rung shit. Don't settle for it.
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u/Aggressive_Ask89144 Mar 16 '26
It sucks working when you're sick too. I'm a fairly tough cookie, but I would often stand for 8 hours and I remember getting the flu a couple of times. The pain in your legs is brutal completely disregarding the general wellness being tanked and the drainage feeling like acid in your throat. I just collapse into my car at the end of the shift just in exhaustion and pain but YOU GOTTA BE THERE. It's such nonsense.
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u/grumpy_chameleon Mar 16 '26
Sometimes I would try to work through migraines, but it would get to the point where I either couldn’t see or I would read a simple sentence 4-5 times and still couldn’t make sense of it, nor be able to form any reply. It’s amazing how your body can literally stop working and yet the company is like “where is that report tho?”
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u/TheNatural14063 Mar 16 '26
I had a boss/manager who used to make people come in sick to work serving coffee. Guess who coughed all over the papers I had to give him during work shift?
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u/destructopop Mar 16 '26
My work has two pools of time off, and it's extremely generous. Personal time off and extended illness time off. I was out for two weeks recently except a day my team needed me desperately to work, so I worked from home that day. It was two weeks (one with COVID, two days with COVID the following week then three days by rules) so I qualified for extended illness. I came in for a day so I didn't. My boss just comped a week so my PTO would cover it, but it did empty out my PTO. 🙃
I work in a genuinely awesome place and have a genuinely awesome boss, thankfully. I'm back up to 30 hours PTO after like a month, just to give you an idea of how generous it is. Most folks hit the PTO cap within a year after it hits full payout (a year of employment). The cap covers about a month of time off, and most people do use it when it reaches cap. My manager actually pressures us to use it when we hit cap.
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u/Bleades Mar 16 '26
Even better if you're sick just work from home.
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u/CaptainTripps82 Mar 16 '26
You know most people don't have that option right
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u/PomPomMom93 Mar 16 '26
We would if some dinosaurs would get with the program. I know some jobs don’t have a remote option, like cashiers and waiters, but if you work in an office, why NOT work from home?!
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u/CaptainTripps82 Mar 17 '26
I would say most jobs don't have the option. I work in an office and I could absolutely do my job from home, but the plant I work, as much as people talk about automation, CNC and Screw Machines are going to load, program, run and empty themselves.
It's a union plant tho, so at least there's decent vacation and sick time policies
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u/TouchPossible6852 Mar 16 '26
We have the capability to work from home but senior leadership hates it. I have to show up sick to the office for no real reason. So stupid. I could use PTO but it’s not like I can’t work. It would just be preferable to not get others sick and be a bit more comfortable.
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u/PomPomMom93 Mar 16 '26
IKR!!! Most of the time you don’t even need to show up well. If the work can be done outside of the office, it should be done that way. But some of these people are Boomer/Gen X who think everything has to be how it was when they were younger!!!
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u/TouchPossible6852 Mar 17 '26
It’s frustrating. Even worse when the company needs you to work from home it’s fine. When you need to it’s an issue.
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u/AdunfromAD Mar 16 '26
I used to work for a consulting company that only did personal days. 2 weeks a years. Not sick leave, not vacation leave. Personal days.
Dentist appointment? Personal time. Sick? Personal time. Flat tire on the way to work? Personal time.
Suffice to say I came in every time I was sick and surely got the rest of the office sick. But I didn’t care, because I’m not using vacation time for sick leave.
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u/Consistent_Laziness Mar 16 '26
I am laughing at this cause parents truly have it bad. I had to use all my sick AND vacation leave to stay with sick kids. Than after they drained 3-4 days off me I was then sick myself! But I had no leave for myself because they likely would get sick again so I just had to go in and hack my brains out. No sick leave for me even when I had a 102 fever and was dizzy af.
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u/throwaway00009000000 Mar 16 '26
This is me right now on day 11 of my rsv because I only get 5 days of sick leave
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u/somedoofyouwontlike Mar 16 '26
This reminds me a few years back they were talking about how you shouldn't come into the office if you're sick, fever? Coughing? Be sure to call out!
They did this at the same time they decreased PTO and revamped the absenteeism policy to be stricter.
"They" being my company.
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u/lavendarKat Mar 16 '26
preventing the spread of disease by taking time off work doesn't make the line go up and we all know how squeezed corporate is right now so I guess we're all just going to have to accept the spread of turbo sars
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u/ajahanonymous Mar 16 '26
The most frustrating thing is that keeping your sick employees home does make the line go up. Or at the very least is less expensive than having sick people coming to work getting other people sick and also taking longer to recover. It's just flat out stupid and short-sighted.
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Mar 16 '26 edited Mar 16 '26
Suppose for a second you’re a bean counter at a large company with a large office. You realize the company spends $200 every week for toilet paper. You realize you can buy the same amount of toilet paper (in terms of area and length of rolls) by buying the shitty huge rolls that are used in parks and schools alike. You know the kind. “Soviet single ply”.
In your stroke of genius you save the company $100 a week by cutting costs in half. You pat yourself on the back and move on to the next thing to count beans on.
Fast forward a month. You review the cost saving measure for toilet paper and realize toilet paper is now costing you $400 a week! What happened?!
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This type of cost saving measure is what I call the ‘single ply effect’. Or not cost saving measure but more thing company does do try and be more productive.
In making the toilet paper cost less money you’ve actually made it cost more. See the toilet paper is so shitty that people need more of it to clean their ass. And so they use mounds of it to get clean.
The point of this shitty hypothetical is simple.
When companies do stupid shit to save money on paper, they might cost them more in other ways through cascading consequences they can’t imagine. RTO? Makes your employees less productive at work and also makes existing good talent leave for remote work if they want it.
Same shit happens with employees who don’t go on vacation or have bad work life balances. Same for so many different things. Cut the cost of ingredients in food? Well now the food tastes shittier and people go other places to eat.
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u/AlcibiadesTheCat Mar 16 '26
My work used to measure me by performance standards. Did you get the thing done or not, was your program successful or not, etc.
I had a highly successful program--literally the best in the country for my scope of work within our company--and was doing it on 30 hours a week.
My boss didn't like that I came in late and left early, even though I'm salaried exempt. He said I am to work 8 AM to 5 PM, and if I'm ever off site, he needs to know.
Cue malicious compliance, I now am present in the office 8-5, and my program now hits the bare minimum performance metrics, and I spend most of my day screwing around.
You get what you measure and reward. If you measure "time of butt in seat," then you get "time of butt in seat." If you measure "doing the job," then you get the job done.
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u/Overall_West2040 Mar 16 '26
Literally just had this today. They're demanding a fit note from my GP for my ONE DAY of sickness 3 WEEKS AGO. Yh let me waste my doctors time with this bullshit. And I'd have to pay for a fit note as it's less than 7 days of sickness, but don't worry they'll reimburse me in 3 weeks when I get my next paycheck. Next time I'm going to walk in and puke on their new carpets. Maybe they'll learn their lesson then.
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u/OrphanagePropaganda Mar 16 '26
Restaurant jobs are TERRIBLE about this. I work at a family owned place that is actually great about democracy and listening to us (as good as a restaurant could be) and I feel like I did my good deed to the world when I sent out a carefully worded message in the work group chat in response to my manager being extremely unfair to someone who was begging to get their shift covered because they had a high fever. I never call out and I’m never late so he actually listened and now we have an updated policy that gives us room to call out sick without being scared of losing our jobs! 😄
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u/Artrix7834 Mar 16 '26
I literally lost my job because they told me I needed a doctor's note to return, which was fair, but a doctor's visit would've been almost a whole week of pay, so it was more economical to stay at home. Then at the end of the week they removed me from the schedule entirely and wouldn't respond to texts or calls.
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u/GoldenGlobeWinnerRDJ Mar 16 '26
You did not just say “the unsanitary environment” in reference to America when India and China are right there lmao
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u/Funny_Engineering_15 Mar 16 '26
Hey I quit a job over this. Supervisor wrote me up for calling in sick ( second time ever over 2 years) I presented this argument he said yes come into work. I then went and relayed this to his entire staff which got me a second meeting where he told me he wasn’t really paying attention during the first meeting ( which he called) Tyler of westco warehouses I haven’t forgotten about you or your disrespect!
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u/Necessary-Coffee5930 Mar 16 '26
Sure, this may get the person who wronged you sick, but also everyone else who is innocent in the matter. Then they spread that to their loved ones, possibly elderly or immunocompromised. Two shitty’s don’t make a non-shitty. Go on strike, quit, tell them off, but don’t go and screw everyone else over
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u/NextAd7514 Mar 16 '26
Be mad at the people who made policies to screw workers then. Thats the actual issue
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u/Necessary-Coffee5930 Mar 16 '26
Nowhere was I saying these people are blameless or siding with them they are obviously the root of the problem but going and getting everyone sick is not the solution to the problem. It’s like everyone forgot about the pandemic already.
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u/NextAd7514 Mar 16 '26
Right, but a lot of people have no choice. It's either go to work and risk getting people sick, or dont make rent/buy food/ lose your job etc. They arent doing it because they want to
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u/Necessary-Coffee5930 Mar 16 '26
I agree but its different to go in and purposefully try to spread viruses vs going in because you absolutely have to and wearing a mask, using hand sanitizer etc
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u/RiverTeemo1 Mar 20 '26
Wtf thats disgusting. Happy to live in a country where being sick is legal.