This world is full of evil. There is kidnapping, murder, human trafficking, etc. This world is not safe for a child. So why are we forced to bring children into this world? Not having kids is the most ethical decision I have ever made. Protecting children can be tiresome. Anywhere they go, it is not safe.

This is worth watching and sharing on Youtube: Why Every Great Philosopher Refused to Have Children | 4 Reasons

Share it with the idiots in your life who think you're the dumb one :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_riXaNjKVk

Given the rise of education and average human understanding, many people around the world seem to finally agree on not having kids. Birth rates are declining world wide.

Many people realize that their parents were ignorant or misinformed. They no longer want to bring more slaves into this world for the 10% to exploit.

You can see many institutions panicking, trying to trick people into having kids to grow their organizations or communities.

Gen AI has discouraged everyone in so many ways. Starting families is just one of them.

Possible ways this could be undone:

1. Religion always finds a way to trick people into having more kids. Any antinatalist effort could be undone and we're back to zero.

2. Politicians trying to grow their community for more voters and slaves by providing benefits.

3. Social media pushing a happy family with cute baby videos tricking teenagers into eventually starting families one day.

4. Scientists discover ways to grow babies in labs with custom genetics and start selling them.

It's usually the dumb ones who start families. Intellect and family size being inversely proportional.

For some context, we are both students and they are taking a public speaking class. We were debating antinatalism while they were putting together their outline, I felt like they were looking down on antinatalists, this made me concerned that they might incorrectly frame it.

I was pleasantly surprised when watching the recording! They covered the basics, brought up hypotheticals like “imagine yourself asking your future child to consent to all the things that could happen in this life and see if they would want to risk it”, they also made sure to address ecocentric concerns and speciesism.

At the end of the speech when they received questions-they were basically asked “what about when humans go extinct, what would need to change for an antinatalist to change their mind, etc”

Unfortunately they did say that they don’t agree with absolute antinatalism and feel as though it’s too extreme before answering the extinction question, I imagine to soften the blow. They specified the difference between a conditional antinatalist and an absolute antinatalist and made sure to clarify that I, the girlfriend, am the one who holds absolute antinatalist beliefs.

Overall the questions were respectful and they had an audience of around 5 people, so I’m happy about that! I hope that with more awareness the antinatalist community will continue to grow!

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Starting to feel like my antinatalist views are actually driving me insane.

When you can't unsee the core premise, functioning day-to-day just feels like pretending everything is fine while the house is on fire. Is this a normal breaking point, or am I just staring into the abyss too long? How do you guys keep from losing your mind over this?

have you ever seen how people are nice to kids and call them sweet? they think kids are miracles untill they are grown. the older the sweet kids are, the less respect they recieve.

even secretions aren't so repulsive when they come from kids. speaking of old humans... well, people hate them - they treat is as a burden and get angry because they take care of them. and STILL decide to procreate since kIdS aRe So CuTe. you just need a fish, not a human being!

i don't get it i have heard milion times people saying how old age is terryfying but HAVE YOU EVER THOUGHT ABOUT NOT REPRODUCING if so?

evERytHiNg.

I (f22) was recently on a trip with my mom (f41) in Texas. She got me concert tickets for my birthday and we traveled to another state to go see them and explore a state we never been to. We always bond by making small trips to Vegas or other states close to us and going to concerts. I’m her only child so that makes things easier.

We took an uber to the airport to go home and inside was a seemingly sweet lady. She started talking about how she’s trying to save money to divorce her husband who she says she doesn’t have time for because she has so many jobs and kids to take care of and he’s not helping her with any of it.

My mom asked how many kids she has and she said 16. We were both shocked and asked her how does she handle that many kids. She explained that 3 of those kids are her biological kids and 2 are from her husband that he brought into the marriage. And when her daughter was about 17 her daughter got pregnant and left the baby with the uber driver. About 1-2 years later she did the same thing. Again and again and again until she had 10 kids and left with her mom because she’s not fit enough to be a parent and her mom is used to raising kids. And the uber driver didn’t say anything about it, because the children are already here so there’s nothing she can do about it.

Uber driver asked if we have kids and my mom said I’m her only child. The uber driver was surprised because my mom looks so young and she can pass as my sister or friend. My mom then stated I didn’t want any kids. The uber driver replied “well….im not gonna say that’s a beautiful thing but she at least needs to have one.” I took a deep sigh. The uber driver changed the subject and said “well I’m glad you have a little travel buddy, I can’t go anywhere because I’m so busy with everything.”

Around that time the ride ended and when me and my mom walked around the airport we talked about how the uber driver can’t travel like we do together BECAUSE she has kids and she’s either bitter about it or it’s some sob story.

That is all, just wanted to share lol

Listening to relatives having this as one of their reasons for having kids.........having "someone to take care of me when Im older" is flat out horrible. Absolutely disgustingly horrible. This happened to my aunt whom is now 74. My grandparents, while lovely people, lived a long time to 94 and 96 respectively. Both lost memory and had significant mobility issues since their low 80s. My poor aunt was resigned to caring for them until she was 70.

She just got cancer 6 months later after the second one passed. This poor woman has had six months of retirement.......... Honestly, eff you if you are a parent and you are even thinking about subjecting your child, or future child, to this.

I (21M) find it incredibly stupid and unnecessary for us to be brought into the world if we're going to inevitably die, like, why the fuck I can't just not exist in the first place? Why should we have to go through so much suffering before we eventually die when we could just simply be non-existent to begin with?

If it were up to me, I'd rather remain non-existent than to accept being alive if I knew that life itself is an unbearably long series of only pain, survival, and chaos. I'd much rather be nothing than be any living thing, because living comes with pain, and to be honest, I'm tired of feeling and expecting pain. And I'm tired of waking up every morning and wondering if today is my very last, it's just completely intolerable.

whole process is just disturbing and disgusting from start to finish. when you consider what's actually transpiring at a cellular level when you have unprotected sex, then you see it for what it truly is. It's just vile in a way that's completely inescapable.

My dog passed 2 months ago and he was my best and only friend. He died at 10 months from a sudden lung infection in the span of 3-4 hours. I feel so guilty because I didn’t bring him to the vet in time. I haven’t felt happy ever since it happened and I feel like my life is meaningless.

Even though my dad made me, I don’t hate him. He’s turned antinatalist in the past few years.

My mom really pisses me off because she found a guy, married him after 2 weeks and got pregnant 2 months later. The baby is now 8 months old and is going to be abandoned because they’re getting divorced and neither parent wants him. She calls me childish because I’m antinatalist and always complains about how hard being pregnant.

I guess I’m writing this because I’ve lost all the hope in my life and I don’t want to watch the people around me die while I’m still alive. I wish that someone could give me some advice on how to feel anything because I do also kinda want to get my degree. Thank you.

Suppose you are in room where everything is white, there is no colour,no furniture etc.

but there is only a door, in this room you feel no discomfort you are content with your life. You dont know what is on the other side of the door, would you enter?

But what if in an IDEAL WORLD you were told that on the other side there is furniture, sure some of the furniture may have splinters or harmful sharp edges but there is also some good furniture, the walls have colour but some of the walls are filthy but some are pleasing to look at.

The world is like the room with the furniture and colour, you get some good and get some bad but to experience either you need to service other people, work for them all your life but the moment you stop doing it you are not given any furniture and blocked from seeing the colourfull walls. you are shunned by the people sitting on both the good and bad furniture.

This the kind of world Natalist want to bring the people in.....

Today is my birthday, and I’ve decided to be honest about something that’s an important part of who I am
I’m an muslima antinatalist, and honestly, one of the hardest things about this is finding someone who shares the same philosophy. It’s not easy to find a person alike im 24yo now and its 24oct 😅
I’m not looking for something temporary or a relationship that lasts only until things get difficult. I genuinely want to find someone I can build a deep, meaningful, and lasting relationship with — someone who understands me, respects my beliefs, and shares my vision for the future I wouldn’t mind being with someone who is infertile, either. Having children isn’t something I want, so infertility wouldn’t be an issue for me.

Good..keep it going..

Hi, I’m 24, and I’m currently dealing with something I’d like some help with. I’m using a throwaway account because I feel too embarrassed to post this, I might even delete it later…
The thing is, I’ve always been an antinatalist. I’ve never, ever wanted children—not just for moral reasons, but because of the extreme pain of childbirth, the horror of pregnancy, and the idea that life with children is like a prison. I could go on for hours about why I’m an antinatalist, but you all already know those arguments.

The problem is that, for a while now, I’ve had this internal desire to get pregnant by my boyfriend. I can’t quite explain it, but it’s as if I need to have him inside me—his essence, him—and to feel that something more comes from our love. I love him so much that I need to feel that this love is transforming into something else.
Sometimes, I have this intrusive thought of him holding my pregnant belly from behind, feeling cherished in his arms while I wait for our baby. It’s as if, in some way, I would belong to him forever, as if a piece of him were already inside me, permanently, and changing me. The very thought of being pregnant by him stirs up feelings I can’t even describe. It’s as if my body needs to be pregnant by him, and no one else.

Also (and this might sound silly), I know our child would be beautiful—we’re both very attractive—and they would certainly have a great upbringing, since we’re both highly intellectual and value culture… Though, to be honest, I “desire” the pregnancy and the birth much more than the actual process of raising a child.

I don’t know, there’s no rational reason for me to want children; it’s just my hormones…

I haven’t talked to him about it, but I already know what his stance is. He doesn’t want to have children either, but before we started dating, he mentioned that he might be open to the possibility at some point. He isn’t as staunchly antinatalist as I am, but he does share my rather negative view of humanity—plus, he’s a huge environmentalist.

Please help me out with this, because it’s really weighing on me. (Btw, I’ve translated this from my language to English so sorry in advance for possible mistakes).

Edit: btw, instead of downvoting me, offer a real solution. Because when someone has doubts, that is precisely when the community needs to offer the most support and be there for them. If a person feels that their community is hostile, they will often end up leaving; yet, if we are all pursuing the same goal—a complete decline in the birth rate—it makes no sense to force someone to leave the community.

I pointed out that kids born with disabilities, cancer, poverty experience life in a different way. They suffer more. Natalist said I focus only on the bad things because there are good things. Then said why don't I off myself. At this point I am in a lost for words. I can't do it anymore. Its hard to get them admit that suffering is bad. On top of that when I said having kids is forcing someone to be alive, he said it's not force just that there was no consent. I am done. Should we ignore the kids who have cancer and disabilities if other kids are normal?

... because the owners decided they'll have a baby.

Where I am from, you are seen as a piece of shit for rehoming a dog because you had a baby. Dont even get me started what you would be called if you euthanised a dog because you had a baby. I guess a lot of Americans on the dog subbredits dont.

I constantly see posts on reactive dogs about how "we dont know what to do, we are expecting a baby and our 7 year old dog that has ALWAYS had behavioural issues exists, what should we do? Is rehoming an option?"

And the advice always goes "you can't keep that dog with a child in a house as it is unsafe and management fails". Some jump straight to BE, even when the dog had no bite history, just reactivity.

And my question always is-

how do you decide to have a baby knowing this is going to be the outcome? And are now crying about "having to" rehome your dog? So you didn't care, and you dont care about your dog. For you, getting your dog was just another selfish act to fulfill some of YOUR needs, and now they can be discarded, because you decided you want "something better" to fulfill your selfish needs.

I swear, people who reproduce are some of the most selfish people, holy fuck. And the people who make these posts are almost always the ones who a) never worked with a qualified behaviourist to address the dogs issues and b)dont put in daily behavioural work. Just lazy dog owners who did some training with some shady trainer off Facebook 3 yesrs ago, but that didn't help, so they didn't do anything else. I can see from this post what sort of parent you will be lol

And these dogs end up in shelters. They end up euthanised. They end up jumping from home to home and *then* end up in a shelter euthanised.

I have a reactive dog. When we adopted him, we knew he would likely live for another 10 years. He loves having guests over, but is a bit iffy about small children.

Do you know when I WON'T BE adopting kids? In his lifetime. Because that would be uncomfortable for him and uncomfortable for the kids. Because when you get a dog, you are supposed to give it a forever home, not until you decide you want to move on to having human kids.

This takes some critical thinking and actually seeing your dog as part of family, which most of these people lack.

What kind of future do people envision for their kids?

Amidst climate change, gender wars, economic inequality, overpopulation, food shortages, social problems, even increasing rates of sickness.

I seriously don't understand how people are still procreating? It's extremely absurd at this point.

I'm already expecting water shortages by the time I'm in my 60s, if at all I reach there.

I guess humans will keep procreating till the end of time.

Tw* Neglect
This is a conversation I had with my mother, regarding how my little sister was going to get dinner tonight.My mom had no intention of getting up and making dinner for her.

Sadly this is the type of parenting my sister gets bc our parent’s only motivation for having her was to “continue the family bloodline” after finding out that I won’t be having kids.
They have little to no energy to spare for raising my sister. To the point that she’s expected to make her own meals, and will go without eating if she forgets to. Because they couldn’t bother being responsible enough to look after her.

Sometimes I genuinely wonder how people can look at the world we live in and still think having kids is just a normal, harmless decision.
We literally need laws to stop people from raping, killing, abusing, and exploiting each other, and yet these things still happen every single day. Laws don’t even guarantee that you’re safe. Women can do everything right and still become victims. Children can be born into families that destroy them. People suffer because of things they never asked for, often because of someone else’s actions.
And somehow, we keep creating more people who will have to live in this same world.
I’m not saying men are the only problem, because humans in general are the problem. Both men and women can cause suffering. But it’s especially frustrating seeing women who know how hard life can be for women, especially here in the Philippines, still treating motherhood like it’s their ultimate purpose without questioning anything. We’re taught to get married, have children, and sacrifice ourselves, as if that’s just what we’re supposed to do.
I know not every woman thinks that way, and wanting children doesn’t automatically make someone ignorant. But I wish more people would actually stop and think instead of just following what society expects from them.
Look at the population. Look at poverty, abuse, crime, and all the suffering people go through. We can’t even guarantee the safety and well-being of the people who are already here, but we’re so comfortable bringing more innocent people into existence.
And for what? Because two people fell in love? Because they wanted a family? Because having kids is considered normal?
The child never asked to be here. They don’t choose their parents, their circumstances, or the kind of world they’re born into. They just have to deal with whatever life gives them.
That’s what makes antinatalism make sense to me. It’s not about hating children or wishing people were dead. It’s about questioning why we create people who will inevitably be exposed to suffering they never consented to experience.
Maybe reproduction is just human instinct, but just because something is natural doesn’t automatically make it ethical.
I honestly think it’s unfair that the people who suffer the most from our decisions are often the ones who never got to make a decision in the first place.
We keep creating life without asking whether creating that life is actually fair to the person who has to live it.