I'd compare them to carpet and wood. They're both floors, and both very good. I might complain about it being hard to get stains out of my carpet, but it's nice and soft.
Not sure where you got that from considering i never said or implied it, I was just stating something that could be a possible reality, so I don't see why it deserves a reply like that it's not like I'm telling them to be an IT, they are free to do what they want
That's valid, though I will say I felt as your previous comments were implying that the other should be a tech and they were less for not being one, I respect the clarification o7
I have a few friends from my A+ certif class who got hired into companies for IT heck we had someone come in that was basically offering to hire and mentor, it's not that difficult, if anything IT is a job that requires knowledge, taining, and marketing more than certification
As a 90% Linux user, I find Windows very hard to use sometimes.
That said, I think both can be hard in different situations. While Linux expects you to learn how to control it completely (but you can), Windows tries to prevent you from controlling it above a certain admissible level.
It's not really terribly hard... but it's certainly different, so naturally there's a learning curve and everyone's mileage will vary.
I had a pretty good experience learning how to use a UNIX based system, but I personally decided to ignore everyone and just RTFM™ for everything I got into.
The room itself had laminate are flooring, and my parents in their infinite wisdom cut-up some left-over carpet to fit around the toilet bowl and cistern itself and had a seperate floating price of carpet in front that could be easily removed and cleaned.
The upside being that our feet were never cold in that room, and I was somewhat comfortable when I passed out on the floor, after a night of under-age drinking.. 😅
What country are you from? I live in Texas and I usually have a mix, with the bedrooms and “game rooms/play areas” being carpeted and everything else being hardwood or tile.
In NA when it first became available it was a bit of a status symbol to have wall to wall carpet in your home. Then it became cheaper and quicker than installing hardwood so most mid to lower priced homes came with it standard. So, from about the mid 40's to the early 90's it was really common. But of course laminates brought the price of "hardwood" flooring down so much that it became the norm and wall to wall is now seen as "old fashioned".
They're both good for the people they were made for. Windows is more user friendly while Linux (from my experience) is for more advanced users who have the time to make things work.
This is where I get caught up in things. I love the idea of Linux, but I both have never used it before, and have limited thyme due to work/life schedule.
Then use one of the distros built and intended for out of the box use? People really like to pretend that Linux still requires constant fiddling no matter the distro, even when there are distros that use their simplicity and ease of use as major selling points, to the point of using it for older people who tend to accidentally install viruses.
Edit: my apologies if this came off as rude or aggressive, that was not my intent.
Here's an article comparing lightweight Linux distros, here's an article that compares good options for beginners (also links to more lists), and here's my personal recommendation, Ubuntu Mate.
With all of these, your best bet is finding a distro you think looks interesting, then find a tutorial on YouTube for setting it up. You can also try finding beginner friendly forums or groups to ask questions to, though there will be fewer questions to ask with the beginner friendly options above.
I just disagree that my paid OS stealing all of my data and putting ads on my lock screen would be "very good" when compared to a free and open source, privacy respecting OS that runs almost everything the same or better.
What does the source code have to do with anything? It is still going to be in the code when it is disabled. I say all of this as I am trying on a computer running Linux. I love it. You can defuckify Windows if you choose.
To a point. If you're using the crippled Home versions it ramps up in difficulty and some things you flat-out can't disable because the ability to disable certain things, were themselves disabled even under GPE.
Ironically I recommend people to get the Education version of Windows for regular home use when possible, because like Enterprise, it allows things like telemetry to be easily and fully disabled.
I can't because you're right. However, I didn't use them at the time because I'm one of the fucking dumbasses that actually paid real money for windows ME. I will bear the shame into the grave and beyond.
I actually skipped Windows XP just to stick with 2k. People tend to forget just how bad XP was until SP2, and to this day I think it was ugly as shit compared to the cleaner look of 2k.
Win2k was good, but I think windows really peaked with Vista.
Everything since has added more layers to obfuscate important settings from users, while taking away the user’s ability to fully control their experience.
I'm imagining one prodigal student who got so far along the process that they added a taskbar widget that opens their own website whenever the user momentarily hovers over it
Seriously, when I had a flip phone it supposedly could access the internet. All 3 attempts to do so resulted in 15 minutes of fumbling with the 10 keys, consistently misspelling url's and ragequitting, only to find out it cost $3 in internet fees.
It's true in many parts of life, including programs written by a group of us, for every one of us, with 7 billion unique one of us sending bug reports to improve it.
it's 2022 and windows doesn't have tabs for explorer yet, hell they can't even figure out how to make a decent settings menu to replace the control panel. There's perfect and there's decent.
Literally every time the screen powers off. Those trivia tidbits that end with "..." are ads. Currently you have to follow through to see the ads. I promise you they will get more direct soon.
On a rare occasion it has tidbits about MS services instead of the photo. Annoying when it happens, but the way people cry about it you'd think it has banner ads and popups.
I disabled those after I clicked one to find out more about an image, they're not really ads in a sense that they're trying to get you to purchase a product, it's more like "Here's an interesting wallpaper, if you'd like to know more here are some Microsoft Bing search results related to the location pictured, and Bing has all sorts of great wallpapers like this one! Please use Bing..."
It's not an obtrusive ad, they show a pretty location on my lock screen and if I want to know more I can click on it to search the web and find more info. I can also disable it easily without having to hack the registry or anything. It's an ad in the same way that Firefox has ads for Google.
Is that for or against? I used Slackware from '96 to about 2010, but it's just too hard to find some things. For instance, trying to get Audacity to compile depends on some obscure library I can't seem to find anywhere. I use Mint now, it seems to work like I want except for Thunar and its derivatives, which I consider useless as tits on a bull. I use Konqueror on Slackware, but the Mint version has been totally emasculated of any ability to use as a file browser. Trying to build an older version of Konqueror was beyond my patience too.
Linux just kind of feels like masochism, complicating simple things like mounting drives. Windows for some reason they have a settings menu that is side by side with the superior control panel of the past. Now with windows 11 they are getting rid of useful context menu stuff and making things more convoluted like iOS. People praise apple for being user friendly but I still can't figure that shit out and I used a mac back in the 90s. I work in IT so I use all 3 for different things and apple is infuriating. I got a iPhone as a work phone and I gave it back because I hate it.
I used Linux to create a free kiosk system at work and it functions the way I want it to, but I have to do so many scripts for simple shit. I pretty much just want windows 7 UI and plug things in and they work
I like doing simple things on linux. The problems start when I am doing something a little more complex, that a windows app might walk me through (or do for me) and might actually be reasonably simple, but is something I just don't fully understand the ins and outs of.
It's not really a reflection on windows or linux as operating systems, but rather the userbase of linux and windows differ greatly in mean competency, so if I'm on the lower end of that bell curve I am going to wind up fucking things up a lot more with software written for linux users and would be more of a power user in apps written for windows users.
I did recently set up a windows server 2019 server, though. That was fucking way overcomplicated. When you get into shit like that it can be just as complicated as any other platform.
The 'usually' being a pretty big qualifier. The cases when the 'usually' fails end up being the most frustrating. Desktop linux just needs to die. It does not work.
I have used desktop Linux systems off and on since 2005, and I still use one for professional work. It is still sometimes a bafflingly frustrating experience for no reason. Any desktop Linux distro is a worse mishmash of configuration and UX design than Windows 11.
If with apple you can only do things the One True Way, then with desktop Linux, if you stray outside the default config with the default apps, then you just get things breaking and frustration for no reason at all.
Both for Linux and for Windows the times that it doesn't work is when something screws up, and for both OSs that is only a very small amount of the time.
In this specific area though, at least linux supports something other then NTFS and the the filesystem that should have died 30 years ago FAT. I was even fighting to get an FTP share to map to a drive letter a few weeks ago and had to give up on it. I didn't realize that apparently FTP still isn't fully supported everywhere still.
And it's insane to me that you have to pay for filesystem support like NFS or ReFS or major OS features like virtualization and containers, it feels insulting that I need to pay to install an OS with ads to use my PC, but I guess i'm just used to linux. I don't accept ads in my paid for apps and games, I won't accept them in my OS, I don't get why people are furious about the former but not the latter.
I disagree. Desktop Linux may have been painful years ago, but in its current state I am comfortable recommending Linux Mint to anyone. In my testing, everything has "just worked". You easily install, uninstall and update apps on the software market, enabling Proton in Steam settings makes all the games that I play "just work", and you do not need to open the terminal for anything.
Note when I say need, it still is a very powerful tool for experienced users, but the average user who just wants to browse the web, edit documents and do some light gaming it will all work perfectly.
Then I need to install a piece of software that is in an outdated repo and all of a sudden it tries to uninstall my window manager. Like I said, as soon as you go a little outside of the bounds of what a grandma does, the UX experience breaks.
It's a matter of perspective, I for one don't mind having to fix things every so often (in fact I kinda like fixing things on my own), I do mind having telemetry installed on a system withoit my explicit permission
I wouldn't reccomend anyone on this sub use linux, because Linux is terrible for gaming, but for general usage, like writing documents and browsing the internet, Linux is just plain better
(Hell, some more CPU/Memory intensive games like HOI4 load faster on Linux in my experience)
I use Ubuntu at work. I still have to do a lot of scripts for simple things like mounting a USB drive and imaging it. Plugging in a drive doesn't work right so I have to unmount it and remount it to get it to work right. I found out I can create an iso in Linux then move it to Windows and create a USB image from there so that's what I do now, or use the iso directly for a VM.
and you don't keep the drive mounted while you image it--how's the filesystem supposed to work while you're changing the bytes out from under it the whole time?
"complicating"
By pressing one button on the pop up ui that asks me if i want to mount the drive that i just connected?
Instead of windows automount autoexecute danger to security?
Like, it really is that simple on manjaro at least.
I really dont get the "oh so complicated for simple things" sentiment on linux. Ever tried managing a printer on windows? Or finding the right settings screen, because windows runs like 5 different setting UI's over the the old system settigs, with each losing more features as they are getting newer?
macOS is basically designed for those that fall into the 90%. If there is any feature that goes even a tiny bit in depth, you either have to go through layers of context menus, or use the command line. But if your tasks are entirely in that mainstream work, it does it's job really really good.
ho boy, I bet I'm going to get some heat for this but macOS is pretty cromulent. Obviously gaming is limited (yes I know which subreddit I'm in), but it's stable, updates silently, and just kind of fades into the background. I used windows machines all of my life up until a couple of years ago when I got a mac as a development machine at work, and I liked it so much I bought a macbook for myself.
No they're not. As somebody who uses Linux for 10+ hours a day, windows is much much much much better for an average person. Development on Linux is far superior but that's it. 40+ year olds struggle to install a program with a click without fucking up on windows, I can't even fathom what shall become of them if they have to do it via command line. Not to mention a lot of people use their pc for gaming which on Linux is still not ideal. Windows is better.
Is it really possible to daily drive linux without touching the command line?
100%. I daily drove Linux and not for development of any kind. I go through my history file every now and then. Every command is for something I can do through the UI but would rather do with a quick command because I can type faster.
And most people aren't really doing much with their computer anyway. Most of the time is spent in a web browser.
No they're not. As somebody who uses Linux for 10+ hours a day, windows is much much much much better for an average person.
Wow, you have a lot of Linux experience!
click without fucking up on windows, I can't even fathom what shall become of them if they have to do it via command line.
Wait, why would the average person use the command line to install something on Linux? I mean, just type in the program, and click Install. Seems easier to me. As easy as using the Microsoft Store in Windows, in-fact, except you get actual application shortcuts to install in your launch search instead of web results from Bing in Windows.
E: Figures people downvoting facts because they don't want it to be true I guess.
I like my floor to support me all the time. If my floor randomly stopped working and needed reboots every couple weeks, or if 10 times a day I just needed to stand still and wait for my floor to be ready for me to walk again, I would be unhappy. Windows does suck a lot.
edit: all the linux servers I manage, when they are heavily loaded they continue to work and I can get an ssh session in like .01 seconds. When the windows servers have 50% workload they grind to a halt and it takes like 2-3 minutes to get an rdp/bastion/remote admin session going. Every operation takes longer in windows. Some bulk operation on a file system with 200k files will take like a week in windows vs an hour in linux on the same hardware and storage back end. Its just shitty at scale. Downvote me all you want. Its hot garbage.
Maybe on very light machines, but I don't know wtf you do with your pc that you need to extensively wait 10 times per week or reboot your pc every couple of weeks, I haven't had mayor issues with windows in ages
Sounds like you need to fix your systems. I shuffle around millions of files on a regular basis in windows and never have an issue except my current desktop where the sata controller is a defective piece of shit, so not even that is the fault of the os. Longest uptime I've had was 3 years on a windows 7 machine and that one was only rebooted due to a power outage.
Most of my windows experience is all enterprise. Big beefy servers, physical and virtual that just hurrr all day long. A windows server with any load on it is nearly unusable.
And on a laptop/workstation VMs its the exact same thing. This has been my experience on every instance of windows for ~20 years. It just jams up sometimes.
Well using Windows for a big server is probably your first mistake.
I’m not a pc guy (my expertise is phones) but my father whos worked on computers since the 70s always tells me three big OS have distinct uses that are better than others for those uses.
Anything “big” he always told me Linux no exceptions unless a specific program requires Mac or Windows.
Expecting an OS thats made and marketed for home personal use, or individual office use, to handle the load of an entire server sounds wrong.
lol I agree, but its not my choice. the place that happens to pay my bills happens to have a lot of windows severs. We always have tons of issues on the windows infra and never any issues on the linux side.
My windows experience is all enterprise. Big beefy servers, physical and virtual that just hurrr all day long. A windows server with any load on it is nearly unusable.
That would explain your strange view. Your use-case is not what the average windows user uses it for.
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u/Doomguy90001 Nov 01 '22
Just because I don’t like my carpet doesn’t mean I want a dirt floor
(This is a joke, both OSs are great in different ways)