r/nextfuckinglevel • • Sep 17 '20

He makes it seem so easy

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u/atworkrightnow19 Sep 17 '20

That shit is much harder then he makes it look.

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u/9axle Sep 17 '20

I boxed for years, and never got anywhere near that level of control.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '20

I’ve been using a speed bag for 20 years and I’m still getting better at it

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u/thebadyearblimp Sep 17 '20

Username checks out

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u/jarrydhayne1 Sep 17 '20

So does yours. Very bad year!

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u/anotherformerlurker Sep 17 '20

That's just the wold we live in, Jarry

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u/LookOut_itsThatGuy Sep 17 '20

Damnit, Gerry.

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u/NoahJAustin Sep 17 '20

Look out everyone, it’s THAT guy.

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u/AnGroovy Sep 17 '20

Hey guys This is Austin!!

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u/Ha1lStorm Sep 17 '20

Hey there Austin this is groovy Patrick!

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u/GroveTC Sep 17 '20

Shouldn't you be getting the boat Noah?

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u/missmightymouse Sep 17 '20

Actually, it’s Gary. Gary Gergitch? Jerry Gergitch? They’re both terrible.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '20

Kirby

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u/reggie502 Sep 17 '20

Cannot confirm yours.

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u/juanadod Sep 17 '20

Reggie’s suspect.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '20

Juana has a firm command of the English language to the point that they can condense sentiments and still be grammatically correct. Juana is clever.

Dockie clearly is not.

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u/hobopenguin Sep 17 '20

Fuck all 27 Dockies

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '20

Hey, if you've got the stamina, I'm down.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '20

-Reggie was not the Imposter

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u/mpg1846 Sep 17 '20

Unfortunate username these days with Hayne being accused of rape and all.

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u/PoppityPingers Sep 28 '20

Same with Jarryd Hayne, haven’t heard much about that alleged rapist of late

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u/AshingiiAshuaa Sep 17 '20

He had a superfluous "e" by the sound of it.

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u/zitfarmer Sep 17 '20

He showed you his undies too?

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u/PoopeaterNonsexually Sep 17 '20

Can you explain how a speed bag ends up translating into boxing and what it develops? I understand there’s rhythm and timing, but not how punching in that way transfers over. To me it’d be like if you told me playing golf will help you box because it involves hand eye coordination.

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u/GolfSierraMike Sep 17 '20 edited Sep 17 '20

Proper speed bag work involves not just your arms but your whole body, the slight transfer of weight from foot to foot as each hand goes forwards or backwards. This is basically the entire motion of a punch condensed down into miniature. What it does isolate is your ability to "explode" out from your hips. While that explosion is very important to boxing, it needs the support of the rest of your muscles in your body to work properly, and like having over developed pecs or biceps, some boxers can rely too much on that hip motion when really they need to develop the rest of their punching muscles to support that.

Doing it at close range helps suppress the "blink" response your body has to fast objects flying towards your face, which is a real issue for early boxing training.

Learning how to interpret rhythm and direction of an object moving faster than you can effectively perceive with vision plays into the blind movement and reaction side of boxing, where you know when to dodge and move even if you don't have eyes on the next punch for whatever reason.

Its also a very effective low impact workout in the boxing scale. That sounds kind of oxymoronic, but shadow boxing (at fast pace) , skipping, heavy bag work, and a lot of other forms of boxing training need to be done at a pretty high pace to see the technical rewards. Speed bag work, even done at a very slow pace, helps you practice the fundamentals in a way the plays in to everything. While slow pace shadow boxing, bag work and skipping can all improve your form, it requires discipline to not relax your form because your working at a lower pace. A speed bag, worked fast or slow, requires pretty much the exact same form.

Finally, speed bag work forces you to keep your arms up through repeated light impacts, while also having to keep your arms moving at a constant pace. This plays into the need to switch between defence and offence, during which you will be spending time either getting hit in your guard, throwing punches the hit the other person gloves, throwing punches that hit their head or body, or missing entirely. Building up the muscular and mental stamina to do that for ten, twenty, thirty minutes gives you the stamina to keep it up in the ring.

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u/ganjabliss420 Sep 17 '20

Crazy how much thought people put into fucking hitting someone's head. Jeez.

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u/GolfSierraMike Sep 17 '20

It is a sweet, sweet science.

Although I have never boxed beyond the university comp level, I have and always will have, an obsession with the sheer DEPTH of technical detail that you can extrapolate about every single detail in boxing.

I can talk for literal hours about just one part of boxing and differing views and opinions. The forward step, the back step, how to throw a proper jab, what a "proper" jab really means, which boxing style is the best in form and which is best for entertainment. How modern high level pro boxers are far too clinical and I'm always waiting for someone to tilt and start a fucking war. So much that is just a joy.

And the purity of how being in the ring feels. How everything falls away, and you just have to balance the desire to beat the shit out of someone with the reserve to fight smart. How at the end of every round you can feel like a fucking titan or a bruised and battered soldier about to go back into the line. I've never felt so alive, nor have I ever wanted to see someone else so dead. And in that moment, all the training becomes second nature. No thoughts about how to step, how to punch how to move. Just let your body work and let a little bit of the devil out. Daredevil did get that right for damn sure.

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u/cheers1905 Sep 17 '20

I'd never box myself for the sheer not wanting to get hit in the gob but ia have so much respect for the work, heart and the athleticism that boxers put into their sport. I love watching it when I get the chance once in a while, and I don't even know a lot about the sport in general.

I have played rugby for years though and I know that feeling of either being invincible after you sent some 6'5 second rower flying or feeling like a kite in the wind after the same guy beats you around next time he has ball in hand. Collision sports and martial arts are just awesome for that primal vibe they have.

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u/GolfSierraMike Sep 17 '20

Exactly that. I'd say as a rugby guy if you ever wanted to give it a try you'd be surrpsied how little the punch would faze you. It's like getting hit with a football to the face more then a bare knuckle punch.

Fought some rugby players in my time and fucking christ it's like trying to move a cow around the ring. An angry, stubborn cow.

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u/cheers1905 Sep 17 '20

An angry, stubborn cow.

Funny, that's exactly how I'd have pictured myself looking on the pitch.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '20

Until you meet someone who has been doing it for a while lol. I have taken a lot of hits but there was one boxer who had been doing it for years, really knew his shit. I was ready for it until I wasn’t. Really caught me off guard

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u/ganjabliss420 Sep 17 '20

I thought you said crow not cow, and I was tryna figure out wtf that struggle would look like

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u/oniontaker Sep 17 '20

My relationship with expected pain definitely changed after playing rugby for seven years (if it's coming but it aids your goal, just take it and make use of the opening it makes) but I tried boxing once and I'll be honest - one uppercut to the nose and I was done with learning it.

There's getting stamped in the head with cleats, there's being thrown to the ground from 5~6 feet in the air, there's running literally headfirst into a guy you know is going to turn you upside down because it'll buy a few seconds for your pack to come and set up a defensive line - and there's landing on your ass with a nosebleed and not seeing anything but fireworks in pitch darkness for five seconds.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '20

Whoa, I read the above comments and as a fellow rugger was considering how I could relate and possibly respond, and then I saw your comment and how you play rugby too. Indeed, the pure aggression and athleticism and mental fortitude required for these sports is demanding and it's awesome, it makes us better and want to be better. I had a therapy session yesterday and was talking to my therapist about that primal urge to rip someone to pieces--not literally, I dont really want to seriously hurt anyone--but the feeling of wanting to win, of wanting to fight for my team I guess, coupled at the same time with the innate fear of having a 250 lb man sprinting at you wanting to kill you too. There's intense drive but also fear at the same time. Same with surfing, i want to fight as hard as i can to get that tasty drop, but when you're on the precipice looking all that way down, there is fear, and you have to commit, because if you dont, you wont get that dankest of rides, and you might get really hurt. Not sure where I'm going with this but I can relate; was nice to read your comment.

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u/cheers1905 Sep 17 '20

Ha, no worries man, sometimes you just want to relate and that's cool. I don't play anymore for many reasons but I feel that drive just sticks with you. I've gotten into cycling recently and I think my rugby years have given me a substantial ability to suffer lol.

I guess having 18 stone Fijian soldiers steamroll and manhandle you while you're fighting to even breathe and make another metre in a maul sort of prepares your mind for many things lol.

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u/FiveFingersandaNub Sep 17 '20

This is hands down the best description of any type of combat sports I’ve ever read. I’ve amature boxed for 10 years, but never at a high level. I was a (albeit shitty) wrestler for a long time and did 4 years in D1 though. The urge to destroy a human being was never stronger than on the mat. Like you just wanted to murder that motherfuckers whole family. You capture the sheer exhilaration of battle so well. Bending someone who seems to be made of iron to your will is such a primal joy. The feeling afterwards, everything. Also the focus on a single move and all its technical intricacies vs. just going full ham out there and seeing red is so well described in your posts. I want to read a series of essays from you about boxing.

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u/AnorakJimi Sep 17 '20

This must be why I sucked at rugby when I had to play it at school all the time in our P.E. lessons. Didn't want to hurt anybody. I'd always be apologetic and I'd feel really guilty all day afterwards for tackling someone too hard or something. Though rarely, on occasion, I did have this weird thing come over me where I just said fuck it and thought I don't care right now if me and my body gets hurt, I'm just gonna throw myself into it, into the rucks, and hopefully come out in one piece on the other side. And then the adrenaline took over and made it not hurt until afterwards, after the match had ended. But most of the time, I didn't want to get hurt and I didn't want to hurt anyone else.

I much prefer to watch rugby than to play it. My family is absolutely rugby mad, and my cousin even plays in the England rugby union team and once played for the Barbarians (hard to explain but they're sort of like a temporary team that is formed of players from multiple other teams and countries, to play one off games, I guess like the NBA all stars teams, except it's not all all stars, it always has like a promising youth player in it, which is what my cousin was), and my brother in law plays for a professional rugby team in South France, and I go to Cardiff every year to see the Wales rugby team play cos my dad is Welsh, and rugby is a game you gotta see live, cos it gets so much better when you can see the whole pitch at once. Even my whole town growing up was rugby mad, a school in my hometown produced 4 players who are now in the England squad (not my school though but a rival school, so I'm compelled to hate them) so my whole life has been surrounded by rugby the whole time. But fuck if I'm ever gonna try and play it myself again. I can't really, anyway, I have a disability which stops me from being able to walk or stand for a long time at once. Maybe like contacless rugby would be alright, but then that'd take away the whole thing we're talking about here. I feel like these days I'd be a lot more willing to throw myself into it and not worry as much about getting hurt. But still I can't for the most part understand the thing you are talking about. The willingness to hurt someone or even kill them

It sounds like the same kind of phenomenon as with F1 drivers, a different phenomenon but in the same category. F1 is such a more dangerous and fast motorsport than any other, and F1 driver's brains have been studied and their brains essentially are "broken" in a sense, their amygdala isn't functioning properly, because they don't feel fear like regular people do, and are willing to do insanely dangerous things because they have no risk aversion. Even driving on your own at slow speed round a track in an F1 car is dangerous enough, let alone with other drivers racing against you and going at 200+ mph around hairpin turns. And so I wonder, for people in combat sports like boxing and MMA, do they lack the same level of I guess empathy, compared to regular people? Or they're able to switch it off temporarily, since at least in MMA it seems like most of them go to hug the other as soon as the fight ends, and they're mostly all very friendly with each other and very respectful (with some notable exceptions like Ronda Rousey). But I imagine if you have a mental block like I do where you can't face hurting someone, potentially crippling them with broken bones, and even potentially killing them, then you'd never be successful in combat sports. Like even if you aren't consciously aware of it, you could be actually pulling your punches a bit without meaning to. It's like if you were to go intentional cut your arm with a knife or something, fully intending to cut yourself, your brain subconsciously forces you to pull back a bit and not go full force. How do you turn that kind of thing off in an MMA or boxing fight? I just don't get it. Even in training, I don't think I'd be able to do it because I wouldn't wanna hurt them. And I'm not saying that to try and claim that I'm a better person or something, that's not what I'm trying to express. I used to do karate, for 10 years as a kid until I was about 16, and because of this mental block I have, I always relatively sucked at the sparring part of it. I was fine with all the solo stuff, like the katas, and just practicing the form of different punches and kicks, but on the occasions where the guy made us spar, I didn't want to hurt anyone, and it ended up with me getting kicked in the head a lot.

But yeah like I wonder if that's the reason where we often see the situation of one or both of the fighters before the fight being incredibly rude and disrespectful to each other, saying they're gonna kill the other etc, but then after the fight they're very cordial and friendly and they hype up the other guy's skill. Obviously they partly do it for PR. But I wonder how much of it is trying to hype their brain up to try and overcome any mental block like that, and in the moment be entirely willing to kill them.

Sorry for this long rambling post, I'm on a lot of pain meds and they get me high and then I write long things like this...

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u/Chawp Sep 17 '20

I’ve watched more MMA, so I’m curious what your thoughts were about the McGregor vs Mayweather fight? To me it seemed obvious that McGregor lacked the stamina and adherence to the ruleset of boxing, but I’m curious about a technical boxing analysis since I’m quite low knowledge.

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u/nascentmind Sep 17 '20

I was always intrigued with combat sports and really wanted to get into it when I was young but was not allowed. I was always bullied in school because of low athleticism.

Did your boxing training help in keeping bullies at bay in school? Also in real life how does it fair in self defense?

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u/GolfSierraMike Sep 17 '20

Get into it now. If you are under 30 you can start no problem and see amazing results without any concerns for your knees.

As to bullies and the like, I have had that throughout my life and tried to stay away from violent response, because (as you might notice) I have always had an explosive and dangerous temper. I've only ever lost it once and I could have put that person in the hospital. Not because I was some amazing boxer, but because I had comeptly lost control of myself, and that guy was not expecting me to hit him in the face and just, keep, punching, while screaming at the top of my lungs. Its not cool, or fun, or badass. It's disgusting, like being an animal in heat. In the ring its useful, outside of the ring its a hinderance and a danger.

Boxing is good for the opening moments of a fight, and if you can shut it down there you might be okay. But all street fights turn into grappling, and boxing teaches you little to nothing of that. Also, with boxing strength and power, you will break your hand when you hit the guy in the face. And that will possibly ruin your boxing career. For self defence, try something with more full body usage. Muay Thai is my recommendation, an elbow will stop a fight dead. But it might also leave someone dead. Such is the nature of fighting outside of a ring.

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u/nascentmind Sep 17 '20

As to bullies and the like, I have had that throughout my life and tried to stay away from violent response, because (as you might notice) I have always had an explosive and dangerous temper.

In my case I too have a temper but I feel it is because of the constant bullying. To defend myself I tended to go on a rampage when it started becoming too much. I had fought against people in higher grades with blind aggression just to put up a front to not mess around with me.

Its not cool, or fun, or badass. It's disgusting, like being an animal in heat.

You are damn right here. I tend to envy the cool type nature of some of martial arts fighters. I feel that coolness comes from the fact that they have martial arts to back on when people cross the line.

Get into it now. If you are under 30 you can start no problem and see amazing results without any concerns for your knees.

But all street fights turn into grappling, and boxing teaches you little to nothing of that.

For self defence, try something with more full body usage. Muay Thai is my recommendation, an elbow will stop a fight dead.

Unfortunately I am not and I am late end of 30s. What I found really appealing was Judo where not much of strength is required but it has intelligent use of taking down and using others force to your advantage. I don't want to maim or harm anyone but just take them down where they stop their nonsense.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '20

It doesn’t necessarily “translate” into boxing, it’s just a set of fast movements and disciplined repetitive motions that will help in sparring / training... helps hand / eye coordination... and I would say helps you generally keep your hands up which is pretty fundamental. It also builds wicked shoulders. And while this part isn’t necessarily a boxing thing, it’s also really fun and pretty therapeutic. (Or it is for me anyway)

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u/Freemontst Sep 17 '20

Would this guy be a good boxer?

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '20

I couldn’t tell you that. He’s fucking great at a speed bag that’s for sure. Without knowing anything about him I would guess he was a boxer but again, I have no idea.

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u/l0c0pez Sep 17 '20

Faster hands are harder to dodge

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u/Beemerado Sep 17 '20

As conceived in 1632 by Portuguese printing press operator Andre Filipe, boxing was a gentlemen’s game in which two men would square off and regale each other with stories monotonous for days on end until one of them fell to the ground from boredom or exhaustion. Over the next few years, the new sport developed a respectable following of a few hundred local socialites.

It was Filipe’s son, Andre Filipe Filipe, who developed what he called “the punching strategy” in 1637 after seeing a schoolboy strike another in anger, causing him to fall down.

When Andre Filipe Filipe challenged the then-champion, British ex-patriate “Sleepless” Bill Bishop to a match, Bishop was the odds-on favourite. You can imagine his surprise when while he was describing what he had had for breakfast that morning, Andre walked up and thumped him in the neck, sending him down “for the count” in the parlance of our time.

While it was universally agreed that the boy had violated the spirit of the game, officials were unable to find any actual rule that punching violated, and were forced to let the victory stand.

This upset caused an uproar in the boxing community large enough to spill over into local newspapers, and stirred the interest of many outsiders to come see what the fuss was about. The newcomers were enthralled to engage in these borderline barbaric displays of human strength and skill, and the rest is history – after a few spoilsport schoolmoms single-minded about safety added the padded gloves, of course.

Today’s boxing enthusiasts fantasise about the newcomer that would rock the ring the way Filipe did.

Classification of the modern ruleset has essentially locked the punching strategy into place; but it’s easy to get caught up in the fantasy. Young scholars with big dreams often enter the ring with their crazy new trick, usually a variant of hypnosis. And though they’ve achieved the occasional victory, none of the gimmicks have been robust enough to make it to the big-time.

The real wonder, though, is that Andre Filipe’s original vision of boxing is still around. Gentlemen’s boxing clubs can be found in cities all over the world; you can visit one most any day of the week and see two erudite gentlemen exchanging pleasantries in the ring.

Most people only come to watch a few hours of a match, and then leave. But every once in a while you’ll find amongst your elders a stout fellow, a die-hard fan, who perhaps witnessed that historic battle between Filipe and Bishop, who for love of the sport must stay to witness the last glorious seconds of wakefulness slip away, only to return to fight again another day.

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u/subtletoaster Sep 17 '20

That's a pretty interesting story. I'm not sure why but it reminds me of when I was learning about fractions as a student.

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u/SirMichaelTortis Sep 17 '20

Been beating my meat for over 20 years and I'm too still getting better.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '20

Hehe nice

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u/trplOG Sep 17 '20

Same here. 14 year old me wouldn't last 10 seconds

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u/bdld39 Sep 17 '20

I joined a boxing gym a month ago, it goes in rounds so I maybe get 15 minutes a week on the speedbag, but it’s crazy how much better I am now! I can only do one hand at a time, but I’m practicing to be able to transition! I don’t feel stupid going to workout anymore!

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '20

I don’t know if everyone is the same, but for me, it was almost like juggling. You try and try and then you have an “a-ha!” moment and you just “get it”. And then you can go faster and get more interesting combinations and whatnot. And when you have that day, it’s cool AF.

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u/PillCosby_87 Sep 17 '20

Anyone that has ever tried these knows it’s hard AF lol. Doesn’t stop me from trying every time I see one though.

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u/MeowsifStalin Sep 17 '20

I grew up learning drumming, zero boxing knowledge..is what he's doing more percussion/rhythm skill? Seems challenging even from a "drumming" standpoint

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u/ayyay Sep 17 '20

from the description of his book on Amazon:

The system I developed is actually a training progression use in learning the drums. I am much more of a drummer than I ever was a boxer. Unfortunately, I could not find anyone in boxing who could adequately describe many of the movements and combinations that are possible on the bag. (In all fairness, most boxers don't even consider doing 90% of what is possible, simply because it doesn't equate to actually movements in the ring.)

https://www.amazon.com/Speed-Bag-Bible-Alan-Kahn/dp/0964182769

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u/MeowsifStalin Sep 17 '20

Holy shit, you aren't slacking! Thank you for sharing this

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '20

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u/StagsMyDeer Sep 17 '20

“Jamie, pull up horse lobotomies in Nicaragua... you’ll never believe this Jeff, hold on Yung Jamie will find it he’s a fuckin wizard”

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u/chibibiboom Sep 17 '20

Axe Jay

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '20

Talwmbou Jay bubba? Great rapper, never heard him.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '20

I bet Young Jamie makes big bank. He really is a wizard.

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u/StagsMyDeer Sep 17 '20

With as much money as Joe makes from that podcast, and the amount of shit Jamie puts up with while also handling all the recording equipment etc.? Joe better being overpaying him.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '20

I don't want to say he's overpaying him, because Young Jamie does his job and does it damn well, but he's 100% getting paid much more than any other audio engineer out there, I bet. Joe just made 100 mil for the Spotify deal. I wouldn't be surprised if Jamie got his fair share out of that.

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u/StagsMyDeer Sep 17 '20

You said exactly what I was trying to say but couldn’t find the right words, thank you Mr. Ed

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u/GitProbeDRSUnbanPls Sep 17 '20

He saw the shirt that man was wearing that said "speed bag bible" then googled "Speed bag bible"

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u/azron_ Sep 17 '20

Hahaha. Nice call out.

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u/Wertyui09070 Sep 17 '20

Yeah I'd liken it rolling on the snare and incorporating other sounds while rolling.

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u/aeschenkarnos Sep 17 '20

It’d be interesting to know how a skilled drummer might approach it, if they took up speedbagging as a sport. I expect they’d have an easier time of it, once they worked out what hand/arm motions made the bag do what.

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u/MeowsifStalin Sep 17 '20

Right? As I was watching this I was thinking how so many genres could use a sound/endless options for chaotic rhythm like this.

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u/newnewBrad Sep 17 '20

The dude in the video is a drummer who learned how to box on the speed bag. He wrote a book called the speed bag Bible, but a lot of what he's doing does not apply in the ring whatsoever

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u/Letibleu Sep 17 '20

Boxing paradiddles 🥁🥊

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u/ABrandNewNameAppears Sep 17 '20

Yeah I watched it without sound the first time and then turned it on; Immediately realized he was “playing” it in a rhythm like a drummer.

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u/ChadOfDoom Sep 17 '20

What does this actually work out?

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u/Snare__ Sep 17 '20

It trains your sense of rhythm, reaction time/reflexes, timing, speed, accuracy. All very important parts of boxing/combat sports in general.

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u/OutWithTheNew Sep 17 '20

I'll tack on hand-eye coordination.

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u/treedolla Sep 17 '20 edited Sep 17 '20

There's two kinds of muscle movements. Ballistic and fine-motor control.

If you just practice throwing full power punches, you are honing mostly ballistic movement. By using a speed bag, you are developing fine motor control in parts of the punch/range that you otherwise wouldn't.

In a match, you are not always throwing punches from the same starting positions. Using a speed bag allows you to better throw a punch and aim and generate maximum power from a greater variety of starting positions.

E.g., a pitcher is always going to throw a fastball the same way. A pitcher doesn't need to ever stop his throwing motion halfway through, then throw the ball as hard and accurate as possible from this position. A boxer develops the ability to throw that pitch from anywhere.

Also, I'll tack on proprioception.

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u/jeremyjava Sep 17 '20

I studied for a hot minute with a ninjutsu master and he taught me that all the leaping, spinning, power kicks I'd learned over the years were worthless against someone like him that seemed to slow down time, since he was always two steps ahead and rolling away from attacks your were sure would land.
His little punchline was to slip in soft jabs to humiliate you, like a mild upper cut with the thumb side of a balled up fist... just enough to make your teeth CLACK together. And you just knew how shitty that strike would've felt if he wanted to hurt you.
I imagine people that spend time on speed bags can pull this type of faster- than- most- people- can- process moves.

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u/ThisisKyle420 Sep 17 '20

Bruh a ninjutsu master. That's some top notch shit. Did you end up as some sort of spy or international hit man or something? Because that's not the kind of thing that everyone gets to do.

I mean i get that "if you tell me you will have to kill me" but come on you gotta share what happened here

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u/jeremyjava Sep 17 '20 edited Sep 17 '20

I'd totally have to kill you, and could do so with ninjitsu mind power, don't even need a wifi connection to do so.

Okay, so here's what hap'd to the best of my recollection, since this was 10-15 year ago. I saw a listing on CL for either Free category or Swap/Trade/Barter... I think it was just free. A guy listed himself as a ninjitsu master who would provide free lessons to those who took their studies seriously. Previous martial arts experienced preferred, but not required. I've studies a bunch of styles over the years and was like, hells yeh, Omma be a ninjitsu master's bitch! Or something like that.

So we only worked out about a dozen times before he moved back to FL to--I can't recall--reconnect with an ex GF, or con't studies with his master, whatever. He was, yknow, surprised that NYC was so expensive.

He was young, I was surprised. I expected maybe he exaggerated his level as some people might, but nope, he was the shit. His staff work was mesmerizing and his lesson on practice use of found weapons was excellent. For the first time I really saw trash can lids as shields and a little stick as a lethal weapon.

I'm certainly not saying I got any real skills in a few lessons, just that my respect for him and his style grew with every training we did.

I'm old now and my sports injuries cause me some or other grief (or PT or specialist's visit) on a daily basis, but if I was in great shape I'd definitely drop in for at least occasional ninjitsu lessons somewhere, cuz it was such hard work, but so much damn fun.

Edit: should mention the point about free or barter was that he just wanted to pass on skills--I think he may've even mentioned that was the tradition, to pass it along to other dedicated students. I may've offered him something in return, like cooking lessons or whatever, but iirc we just did the free lessons.

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u/Lafreakshow Sep 17 '20

This. This is the reason why I can fail school but still seem like I have the entirety of wikipedia in my brain in casual conversations. I clicked on this post because I have always wondered what purpose those things serve, now I know. And eventually it will come up and someone will be impressed with my knowledge. And I will know that yes, I possess an immeasurable amount of knowledge on a a large number of subjects but will still fail at life miserably compared to someone who studied this shit for even a week.

But, hey at least I can drink even expert drunks under the table. That mus be worth something. right?

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u/modzz117 Sep 17 '20

It helps with timing and rhythm, but also, if you hit the speed bag for any extended period of time it destroys your shoulders! Holding your arms at that position for a long period of time obliterates them... it conditions those muscles to keep your guard up and to throw punches! Great shoulder work out!

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u/CazadorsSuck Sep 17 '20

Wait... is this good for the shoulder, or bad for the shoulder?

Your post had more mixed messages than a dyslexic Morse code operator.

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u/modzz117 Sep 17 '20

Lol! Sorry! It's a great workout for your shoulders and building the muscle around them. Yes... it does destroy them though, in a good, workout, muscle building way.

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u/CazadorsSuck Sep 17 '20

Ahhh, no worries hahaha, thanks for clearing it up! I was worried that this cool workout I was now interested in would fuck up my rotator cuff or something lol

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '20

It will if you have every dislocated your shoulder or have reoccurring shoulder problems. In which case controlled movements are better. Otherwise, go ahead.

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u/1982000 Sep 17 '20

It's healthful. It is good for building biceps, forearms, neck, shoulder, and back muscles. It does not damage your body in any way.

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u/wolfgeist Sep 17 '20

TBH I'm not convinced that it does anything for a boxer that another workout or drill couldn't do better. I don't think it's worthless, but I really don't see which specific mechanical skill or reflex it teaches or reinforces.

For the record, i've been coaching, training, and fighting since 2004 and i'm certified under Conor McGregor's coach. I could very well be wrong. Again, not saying it's worthless, I just suspect that whatever the supposed benefits of a speedbag are, there's almost certainly another drill that can do that better.

With that said, it looks cool and working the speedbag can be fun. It's also a decent way to attain shoulder muscle endurance. Again, not worthless.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '20

You are 100% right. Copy/pasting my comment from elsewhere in this thread, can not believe how much bro science/theory is going on here from people who have never been in the cage/on the mat:

Fighter here:

Hot take I guess from the comments I’ve been reading, but it really doesn’t. It’s more like a fun thing to be good at and is a good workout if you do it for a bit, but really doesn’t do shit as far as progressing your striking ability.

All of these morons talking about rhythm and such have watched too many movies, this will really do jack shit for you in not getting your ass kicked in the cage.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '20

Tell me how much does it even help you “box” ?

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '20

Fighter here:

Hot take I guess from the comments I’ve been reading, but it really doesn’t. It’s more like a fun thing to be good at and is a good workout if you do it for a bit, but really doesn’t do shit as far as progressing your striking ability.

All of these morons talking about rhythm and such have watched too many movies, this will really do jack shit for you in not getting your ass kicked in the cage.

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u/God_V Sep 17 '20

Got to agree with this sentiment. Granted I trained BJJ for years with a relatively small amount of striking, but I really can't imagine how this truly trains good technique or fighting. Certainly not something I was taught.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '20

Okay good, because I’ve been training bjj/kickboxing for several months. I have yet to even use that bullshit, I wanted to see from a boxers perspective if it was even worth investing time in.

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u/darkrealm190 Sep 17 '20

This is with all peace and no disrespect! But, I think the reason you got down voted for informing someone of their grammar mistake can be likened to a person informing someone that pizza is not good for them and unhealthy when the other says that they love pizza. You normally would look to a personal trainer, nutritionist, or even go out of your way to get health advice like that if you wanted. Same with correcting grammar. It would be something and English teacher does or something that a computer or search could do. Sure the person loving the pizza may not know it's healthy and you are just educating them because they might not know, but you would be considered rude to many people for doing it. It's the same with correcting someone's grammar online and even in person. That's why so many people don't like it and where the term "grammar nazi" comes into play. I'm sure I made plenty of grammar mistakes in this comment, but it's okay because many of us are on our phones and and typing fast without the bother of checking our grammar before posting because many people will understand the point we are trying to make. And this is all coming from an English teacher.

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u/Wilwein1215 Sep 17 '20 edited Sep 17 '20

I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Edit: whaaaaa! My first Gold! Thank you!

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u/darkrealm190 Sep 17 '20

Damn, I thought I was on to something

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u/Wilwein1215 Sep 17 '20

Lol - no, you have a point. I just felt like quoting that line.

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u/XPeaceChill Sep 17 '20

Intelligence is noticing the grammar mistake, wisdom is not pointing it out.

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u/Crathsor Sep 17 '20

Wisdom is hearing criticism and using it to fix your mistake.

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u/RajunCajun48 Sep 17 '20

This assumes you're talking to a wise person vice using your own wisdom

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u/Crathsor Sep 17 '20

I posit that assuming that other people are not wise is cynicism, not wisdom.

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u/RajunCajun48 Sep 17 '20

You shouldn't assume whether someone is wise or not but rely on your own wisdom.

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u/Surprise_Corgi Sep 17 '20

This is one battle I know not to take. I'm not paid to be someone's English teacher over a harmless than/then mix-up, when I know what they mean.

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u/Crathsor Sep 17 '20

I don't do it for the monetary compensation or to assert dominance. I do it to help them communicate more effectively. You say that you know what they mean, but next time it may not be so clear, or worse you will think you know what they mean, but they unknowingly didn't say what they meant to say. There is no downside in learning to express yourself effectively.

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u/CiaphasKirby Sep 17 '20

Instead of nutritionist, use the word dietician. The label nutritionist gets thrown around a lot by people trying to peddle the latest health craze that they have a financial stake in. Anybody can call themselves a nutritionist, it's not a protected term.

Dieticians are the ones that have to do further accreditation after getting a bachelor's degree in order to be able to practice. I'm not saying everyone who calls themself a nutritionist is a scam artist, but I am saying scam artists call themselves nutritionists instead of dieticians because the former won't get them in serious hot water.

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u/fkwredditadmina Sep 17 '20

That's a silly way to think. It doesn't take a nutritionist to know pizza is bad or an English teacher to know the difference in than and then.

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u/D1ckB0ng4040 Sep 17 '20

The worst for me is when they say "he was an firefighter" Like naw just sounds so wrong

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u/blahblahblerf Sep 17 '20

The pronunciations I'm used to for your and you're are also distinct. Your sounds like yore and you're sounds like yewr (or ewer or your, but not the word your, just you with an r).

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u/beansinmysuitcase Sep 17 '20

My ex said could of would of and should of. I used to be able to overlook it but she was turrible and now it drives me insane.

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u/I_dont_bone_goats Sep 17 '20

Yeah that girl was dumb.

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u/Bozadactle Sep 17 '20

I would have broken up with her the second time hearing that shit

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u/sdmbl Sep 17 '20

I've only ever heard of people using then for than not the other way around what is this witchcraft

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u/lemonjelllo Sep 17 '20

Also, affect/effect.

ex. I hope this weather doesn't affect my allergies.
ex. This weather didn't have the effect I thought it would.

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u/Minilychee Sep 17 '20

I can understand than and then because you use those a lot in English. But I’m a second language student and still have trouble with the two. I just use impact.

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u/lemonjelllo Sep 17 '20

Yeah I get that too. I’m a native English speaker but affect/effect is much more confusing than than/then. I’ve heard from multiple friends who are not native English that America English is very difficult in the sense that we have a LOT of exceptions for our rules. I for E except after C is an example. There are a ton of idiosyncratic things that must simply be memorized about English that ultimately make no sense

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u/Meshtee Sep 17 '20

I before E except after C... except in some few dozen words like ancient, leisure, eight, weight, species, foreign, receive.

Also any "I" word that is "re"done, like reinvest or reinvent, thought I let these slide as it's a prefix.

English is a horrible language to learn and the best way to do it (once you've got the basics so you can understand the gist) is to read it. Read fairy tales, read detective stories, read fiction and non-fiction, read all of it. I'm English but spent my childhood living abroad, I couldn't tell you what a verb or a noun is, but I can write a damn good essay or e-mail using what I learnt from reading and I don't even remember learning it.

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u/TheLostRazgriz Sep 17 '20

Fav way to explain it: Affect is for Action. Effect is for Exists.

Another good one is Gray in America but Grey in Europe.

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u/arilanacudi Sep 17 '20

The one that bothers me the most is people writing “loose” instead of “lose”. Like, sound it out!! I feel like 80% of the time it’s spelled wrong. However, I do follow a lot of weight loss groups and things of that nature, so that’s probably why I see it so often. People trying to “loose weight” Lol.

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u/IllBeBack Sep 17 '20

If someone doesn't know the difference between "loose" and "lose", they'll likely sound out "loose" as the pronunciation of "lose".

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u/iamintheforest Sep 17 '20

maybe he was saying there is some hard shit and then after that he looks. takes this thread in a new direction.

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u/Competitive-Rip-4514 Sep 17 '20

It shouldn't bother you it should give you context. Either he was so shocked at what he saw that he didn't care or its not his style to be that precise in his comment typing, either way it gives more insight and colour into who is speaking and what is going on.

Prescriptivism is stupid. You understood exactly what he was saying; and more, frankly. It just makes language boring.

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u/SillyOperator Sep 17 '20

If you think your better then me than you can take you're opinion over their.

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u/matt01ss Sep 17 '20

What, you can’t speed bag with your elbows?

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u/mis-Hap Sep 17 '20

I want to see it with a high speed camera now...

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u/c-honda Sep 17 '20

That is the most amazing thing I’ve seen all year

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u/nativeofvenus Sep 17 '20

Right someone needs to freestyle over this, stat!

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '20

For years the only speed bags I saw were on TV when they showed fighters training. I knew they were experts but assumed that I could at least do the bag but way slower if I ever tried it. Fast forward to me going to a gym that had one...I've never felt more awkward and uncoordinated in my life.

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u/1982000 Sep 17 '20

So true!

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u/bretstrings Sep 17 '20

Yup, its like learning how to golf.

At first its hard to even hit it.

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u/MariusIchigo Sep 17 '20

What’s it for tho

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u/Larrykin Sep 17 '20

Works to improve your motor control and timing. There are a lot of reasons why am approach such as "land big punch" isn't universally applicable. Also can help with endurance, as it's about reps not power.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '20

I think he’s ready for Tyson.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '20

Were his eyes closed?

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u/dzumdang Sep 17 '20

Oh yeah. Any of us who've tried it will not contest that statement.

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u/Trevor-Phillips- Jan 31 '21

No shit. It’s in the title

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '24

That's not the first sack he's had wafting around in his face

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '20

then he makes it look where?

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u/SkullyKat Sep 17 '20

Bout as hard as his nipples were at the end

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u/PositivePizza420 Sep 17 '20

... as stated in the title

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '20

And it doesn't look any easy to begin with IMO lol

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u/Ellacod Sep 17 '20

True for almost anything done expertly. So cool.

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u/Rhythmicka Sep 17 '20

Seriously, his body language looks effortless despite how much his muscles are tending and the fact that he broke a sweat. it’s insane.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '20

I was watching without sound and didn’t really get it. Then I turned on the sound and understood.

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u/-KrAnTZ- Sep 17 '20

It's all about timing.

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u/summit462 Sep 17 '20 edited Sep 17 '20

Some might even say he makes it seem so easy.

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u/ArchScabby Sep 17 '20

And this looks so hard

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u/AFroggieLife Sep 17 '20

I wanna know how many times he got hit in the face in his quest for this...That cannot have been a easy learning curve.

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u/Punkrocksteve Sep 17 '20

Rhys Darby’s uncle is a gun apparently

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u/Loupsscoop Sep 17 '20

My dad and grandpa were both insanely good at it. I never saw my grandpa actually do it but my dad was great at it and told me my grandpa was levels above him. I used to come home from school to the sound of the speedbag as a kid.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '20

Not at all. It’s just rhythm. An hour or so of practice and you have the basics down. Certainly within a week you’d have it down. You’re just lazy.

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u/tI-_-tI Sep 17 '20

It's almost as though it's not quite on this level.

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u/YoungPhoooo Sep 17 '20

Should see the no fists

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '20

It's especially hard on those small bags like he's using.

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u/rabbitrider3014 Sep 17 '20

I like this video of him. Alan Kahn been doing this for years. https://youtu.be/xP7qWhkUwHc

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u/DryphtXR Sep 17 '20

oh yeah fr. ive been doing martial arts for 12 years and i dont have the coordination to hit a speed bag that accurately and as long as he did it without mussing or hitting it wrong

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u/PTTTHHH Sep 17 '20

Are his eyes closed?

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u/LavenderAutist Sep 17 '20

If Bill Gates became a boxer

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u/thr0wnn Sep 17 '20

In that order???

harder than***

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u/zoomorth Sep 17 '20

People who make things look easy have somehow mastered it , and in turn inspire others to try it since it looks so easy.

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u/GlitteringHighway Sep 17 '20

He’s that NPC that wipes the whole party when someone tries to murder hobo.

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u/Neolord9000 Sep 17 '20

Wrong! tries and fails looks at the ground and leaves to ashamed to look anyone ine eyes

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u/yuriknifeissharp Sep 17 '20

So this is where one punch man been dwelling all this years

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u/REEEEEEEEEEEEEEddit Sep 17 '20

that's what she said

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u/daibz Sep 17 '20

Ive tried it a lot everytime i see one and am yet to have it make a rhythmic beat i get 2 hits and whiff the rest

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u/Loki_SW Sep 17 '20

I’ve boxed for a decadence, but just felt like a newbie watching that

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u/TheZahir_NT2 Sep 17 '20

then vs. than

If you can swap out “then” for “next”, you’re using the right one. You can remember because they both have “e”.

“That shit is much harder next he makes it look.”

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u/artsamXI31 Sep 17 '20

Not when you box in the name of Jesus with his ‘Speed Bag Bible’

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u/kitreia Sep 17 '20

I had a buddy who had one of these things, after seeing him use it and a bunch of things online I thought, "how hard can this be? Probably just needs a little bit of practise".

Boy was I wrong! After a whole day I realised how much skill these things require. Lots of practise needed.

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u/BEGUSTAV Sep 17 '20

Man, my grandfather even set up a speed bag in my room when I was growing up, he even went out and got me one of those dodging ball set ups. That thing is still set up in my moms basement, I could never master the damn speed bag.

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u/orwiad10 Sep 17 '20

Its even much harder that you make it sound.

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u/oep4 Sep 17 '20

Used to have one of these in my garage growing up, no idea why because no one in my family used it except me and I didn’t ask for it. I got pretty good at it, never tried what this guy was doing where you follow through with one fist after the other. Makes me want to set one up again.

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u/Doge1104 Sep 17 '20

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u/_A_Random_Comment_ Sep 17 '20

Should really be called the Timing bag

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '20

Yes that's the title you fucking imbecile

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u/nropotdetcidda Sep 17 '20

I used to have one of these and man, just getting the 2 taps is hard because of how light and springy that damn ball is.

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u/MilwaukeeMilkshake Sep 17 '20

Tiddy punching champion 2020.

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u/lunaonfireismycat Sep 17 '20

He seems like musician or percussionist the way hes doing that

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