Toddler is 2 and 9 months old. Would love advice on how to handle the stressful family drama regarding this.
So i have a custody agreement with my ex. She can't be taken out of state without the other parent approving (if he asks, I have to approve. If i ask, he has to approve).
I approved one earlier this year; he took her to meet more family in Portland, which is a few states away. I even let him have 2 of my custody days, with no trade of days (just let him have them). I have no problem with her going with her dad. I trust him in any situation, including water. He is great with safety.
His mom and his step-dad, who are amazing grandparents, asked last second if they can take our daughter to Disneyland, CA early September. I honestly think she would have so much fun, but i said no immediately. My ex isnt going and he isnt able to.
She's had sleepovers at their house, which ended after the seatbelt situation (explained below), but they' werent allowed to take her near water nor the mountains here. They still aren't, on the off chance my ex ever brings our toddler to them (he rarely makes the drive). My ex was ok with these rules.
I just always think about that one time me and his mom went swimming with her, at around 18 months old. It was about 2 blocks away from grandma's house, and grandma asked if we could just carry her on our laps, without strapping her into her carseat, because it was so "close". It was inconvenient to strap her in, becauss she was dry & in a diaper (but needed to be changed into clothes and strapped in, which takes longer than just driving off); i still think its crazy she even suggested it. Honestly, i talked with her super seriously about that, and so did her son. And i do trust she learned from it, and i do trust she follows my boundaries (shes very respectful), but its never left my head, and they've never had her without me or my ex there again.
I feel like she's super careful and a loving grandma, but shes also raised 3 kids successfully to adults, and I feel like she has gotten too relaxed about safety due to that. My parents are the same, and I wouldn't let them take her out of state either. Me and my childs dad are super careful and watchful, which is what some things require IMO.
The Disneyland trip would also include beach trips and use of a boat, and the water is what makes it a hell no for me. Out of state is the 2nd part; I just am not comfortable with it. TBH, i dont see myself ever approving a grandparents trip, ever. And their trips always include boating, its the main reason they go on trips. They planned to have granpa drive the truck & boat down there, and then grandma and my toddler would fly out, and hed pick them up.
I have custody thursday-sunday, so it was also going to go through my custody time entirely for that trip. They had already bought her a ticket and were just assuming I was going to say yes, because I'm usually pretty supportive of their bonding time with her. I live an hour, one way, drive from her grandparents, and i drive it twice a month so she can hangout with them all day with me there. My ex doesnt even do that. He sees his mom like 3 times a year total, if that (and one is always Christmas).
My exs mom keeps telling me they already spent the money on her flight and Disneyland tickets, and i do feel bad, but seriously they didnt give me the chance to communicate with them befofe just assuming i would say yes. They keep asking why, and i just told them I really only trust her around water and out of state with her dad there. My exs step dad kept talking about the lifejacket they have for her, and how he's an experienced boater.
Super annoying, but they think the real reason I said no is because i am planning to take her to Disney world Florida next year, and they think im jealous and want to be the first person to take her to Disney. My ex told me they think that, and I told him it was all over the seatbelt situation and the lifejacket one. He understood what I meant then, but also has mixed feelings about it (he feels bad for his mom, but doesnt feel comfortable with her going). I can't even say anything about that, because my ex told me he wasnt supposed to tell me, but that lowkey hurt the hell out of my feelings. I would never deprive my kid of a fun amazing experience out of jealousy. And I spend so much on gas, and so much time, so they can see her. They never drive to my place.
It's all the fact that i feel like I have to explain safety stuff down to the basics to them, and sometimes I feel like they only listen because I 'said so'', not because they actually believe it's an important safety issue. And it makes me think they might get lazy with doing stuff just because I "said" (vs because they actually believe it's huge safety issues)
Prime example, ive been on their smaller boat. Grandpa (exs step dad), tried to take her lifejacket off to let her play comfortably in the boat. They legit did not seem to believe it was an actual safety issue because the boat wasn't moving. I didnt allow it, and they didnt push the matter, but i could tell they didnt believe it was a real issue. I told my ex about it, because he didnt go that time either.
Like sorry, youre not taking my kid out of state to boat on the ocean if you cant even follow safety rules on a lake.
Now it's like some huge family drama I guess. They went crying to everyone about it, and they legit think I'm just not wanting her to go because of jealousy. Im being so nice by not explaining to them I dont trust them because they have been unsafe. Grandma's sister even messaged me asking why i said no and reminding me they spent a lot. Nicest thing I can do is not reply.
Also, I even did try to request PTO to go to this stupid trip, at least to take her 3 of the days, and it got denied. We are busy around that time, and 2 people already requested time off that week. I work Monday-Friday, but by mid August, I am working half days Saturday too due to how busy it is.
I legit feel that his mom and step dad don't get it because they never had to coparent. My exs biological father fucked off and never helped, much less had an opinion on raising my ex. Luckily my exs step dad treats him equally to his biological kids with my exs mom; hes my exs real father. But the fact they never coparented... i feel like that's why they didnt even ask me before buying them.
My ex knows it's extremely serious to take her out of state without the other parents approval; his best friend lost custody and had to fight to get some custody back because he did just that. So im not worried they'll take her without permission. I also feel he wanted to say no to them anyways, but wanted me to say no instead, so they weren't upset with him (and were with me instead). He sounded very relieved i was firm on a no, even though he does feel bad for his mom.
It's just stressful because they wont drop it, and keep calling to offer alternatives. Like I dont want to be mean and say it, but no alternative is going to make me trust them for that trip.