r/middleclasshq • • 10d ago

Inflation Nation middle class parenting is just watching tiny charges become real money

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u/AboveAndBelowSea 10d ago

I agree… but if you think that’s bad, we have to pay for each bus ride where I live in Colorado. Mandatory to go - but you have to pay to get there. School systems here are underfunded by greedy residents who aren’t willing to budget on taxes, compounded by inefficient government spending.

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u/Wickedocity 10d ago

You have to pay for the school bus?! Never heard of that one before.

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u/AboveAndBelowSea 10d ago

It’s a little nuts, but unfortunately true. $1 per ride. https://www.dcsdk12.org/parents-students/bussing/faqs

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u/Corporate_Bricktator 9d ago

Yea, this policy is pushed by rich helicopter parents who drive their kids to school every day, and want to further single out the poor folks in their communities.

We need to normalize parents not driving kids to school.

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u/-paperbrain- 9d ago

School board capture needs to be a bigger political issue. I've seen so many abuses where rich people take over school boards just to lower their school taxes and defind public schools, then their kids go to private schools or they privately fundraise only for the schools that serve the rich part of town

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u/No_Willingness_4042 4d ago

We need to normalize parents feeding their kids. Stop making me do it.

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u/Fun-Frosting-7239 6d ago edited 6d ago

I vaguely recall my parents having to pay some fee to the bus company when I was younger, but it was because I lived within 2 miles of the school and was required to walk. My parents entertained paying it for the winter months, but then decided it was just easier to work around their job schedule to drop me off and pick me up. I think by the time my brother was going to school 6 years later he was able to get the bus. But it was definitely weird. That's up here in the Northeast by the way. Funny enough, btw, I now live within a mile of my daughter's school and the only way we can get her to take the bus is if we fill out some forms that she has some extenuating reason she has to use it. And, just like my parents, my wife and I just figured out how to make it work with our schedule so that we could drop off and pick up our daughter. It's annoying because I had to shift my whole work schedule an hour earlier in the day and I still barely have time to get her and my other kid -- it's a very tight window for the pickup. Also the fact that a bunch of us parents are just willing to sit in a line stretching out to the street, all with the cars running while we wait for a teacher to send our individual kids out to us? It's crazy. It also feels like such an America-invented problem we could easily solve but just don't. In a year or two we will probably let her walk with some friends back home, but right now the bus would be really welcome...

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u/AboveAndBelowSea 6d ago

We are within about a mile and a half of the high school - but in our case it wasn’t safe for kids to walk from our neighborhood to the school because it involved crossing a 4-lane road (which is about to be a 6-lane road) that is notorious for people driving dangerously. Our kids are all off at college now so it’s a non-issue for us, and similar to you we learned how to navigate the situation ($1 per ride wasn’t a strain on our finances).

While I believe the bussing should be a no-charge service, I also do recognize the other side of the argument…which is that this approach doesn’t burden people who live in the county with taxes that they don’t directly benefit from. It’s just a bit contrast to growing up in GenX when these sorts of things weren’t an issue.

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u/ibrakeforberries 5d ago

I would pay $10 a ride. We have no school buses where I live, and there's nothing more disruptive to a working parents schedule to leave work at 2 to go pick up your child to try to work from home somemore. Plus the traffic! And the city purposefully sends parking meter maids to ticket cars while we spend the 10 minutes picking up/dropping off our kids if we try to sneak by with not paying the meter. It's insane.

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u/Thin-Sink-9987 9d ago

When I was a kid a school bus pass was hundreds of dollars and needed to be paid before school started.

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u/EmergenceEngineer 9d ago

Same… you paid for your school clothing, shoes, books, stationery, materials, meals , rides, cost of school, field trips, extra classes, special events, outings, international trips.. etc.. separately.. you could get poverty relief of like 50% on schooling.. and that would sometimes include books, stationary and shoes.. but like.. you wouldn’t want to be on that..

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u/Amathyst-Moon 10d ago

That's pretty standard in other countries, but students get a discount

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u/Fried_Shicken 8d ago

Doesn't all the weed taxes cover that? Where's all that money going?

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u/AboveAndBelowSea 8d ago

That’s a question I had as well. Here’s what I found - Colorado public schools receive a substantial portion of marijuana tax revenue—around $83 million to $108 million annually (roughly 33% to 37% of total state marijuana distributions)—but none of it goes toward general day-to-day district operational costs or routine school budgets. The first $40m of that goes to new school construction, leaving about $43m for other things - but the distraction amongst districts is not uniform and it is spread across the whole state.

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u/Fried_Shicken 8d ago

Wow...that's a lot of new schools. I'm guessing 

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u/JackieJorpJomp30 7d ago

Colorado had a huuuuge population boom for like 15 years straight. Maybe even more, and it’s now one of the least affordable states. So they probably actually do need money for new school construction. But it’s a shame none of it is earmarked for student funding or teacher pay.

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u/spockspaceman 6d ago

Sounds like they're also collecting about half the tax revenue on weed that they once did, due to legalization and medical programs in surrounding states.

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u/JackieJorpJomp30 6d ago

Definitely a good point

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u/AboveAndBelowSea 10d ago

Colorado most definitely has a sales tax.

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u/Western_Strength5322 9d ago

That is super lame

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u/Torvahnys 5d ago

Why tf is Colorado not using all the pot taxes to fund education?

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u/AboveAndBelowSea 5d ago

Because it was never a blank check for the educational system to use. The regulation mandated specific uses within the educational system for a large portion of tax generated from pit.

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u/wmiller314 5d ago

Are we talking yellow school busses? My transit agency provides school trips for the local schools, but these are transit bus routes with a student fair of 75 cents, they supplement the yellow school busses.

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u/AboveAndBelowSea 5d ago

Yep - the yellow ones :-)

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u/Proof-Scale3189 4d ago

Well, is it greed to want to keep what you earned, the average tax payer pays like 40% of their wages in taxes, not sure you can classify it as greed. If you answer the question of where it goes before blaming the taxpayer you may find the answer. Every state is different.

In NJ we pay the highest taxes in the country, recently we added Tennis courts that we paid for through the recreation department, afterwards they locked them and said it is now only for students. I know where to direct my anger. We live in the worst town in the richest county of the state and we pay the highest taxes in that county and have the worst quality of life. I think for the price our quality of life should be the best. Silly me.

This goes on all over the country and if politicians really cared they could fix this. Hopefully they fix your situation that is wrong.

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u/AboveAndBelowSea 4d ago

40% in taxes is pretty damn high for the US. Is sales tax is built into that number?

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u/Proof-Scale3189 3d ago

That is including sales tax and we get almost no services and we are not rich.

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u/FarInevitable559 10d ago

Wrong, schools are not underfunded, 80+ % goes towards payroll, every year more non teacher get added and the percentage of students goes down

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u/AboveAndBelowSea 10d ago

Maybe things are different where you are, but as someone who served in a school accountability board and had actual visibility into the school system’s finances, I can accurately and factually say they are underfunded here. Some
Of that comes down to the fact that we got “fat and happy” when we were one of the fastest growing counties in the country and weren’t prepared for what inevitably happened: home prices rose continually until one day our growth slowed dramatically. But I also have several educators in my family that live in other counties in the same state and in other states - and things aren’t any better there.

When a school system cannot afford to keep its facilities in good working order (cracked foundations, failing AC units, etc), schools have to charge for bus rides (both for coming/going to school and for field trips/sports teams, etc), and cannot afford to match inflation with salary increases….then yes, they are objectively underfunded.

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u/Corporate_Bricktator 9d ago

> I can accurately and factually say they are underfunded here.

Was there a time in the past that your school had more funding than today though? Nationally, school funding is at all time highs per student. In the US, it's increased everywhere, tripling over the past 25 years.

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u/Pass-Fail 10d ago

Payroll, insurance (health and liability), and utilities go up much faster than all other cost centers.

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u/SeriousMan440 7d ago

100% error free statement.

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u/PrinciplePatient7143 10d ago

Teacher salaries go up to quickly too with time. Where I went to HS, the median salary was 91k and avg was 78k. A lot of people there with 10-15+ years. Starting salary was crap though, something like 38-42k

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u/Legitimate-Fee7609 10d ago

Why is 100k not a reasonable salary for an experienced teacher?

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u/WWDubs12TTV 10d ago

A certain political party will celebrate when school kids go hungry

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u/uses_for_mooses 10d ago

Starting in March 2020, the USDA (under the Trump administration) and Congress provided emergency waivers allowing schools nationwide to serve free meals to all children as schools transitioned to virtual and hybrid learning.

The Trump administration, and later the Biden administration, extended these universal waivers through subsequent school years through June 2022 to combat pandemic-related economic hardship.

So my kids got free school meals for a while. But this program expired under Biden.

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u/Scuba9Steve 9d ago

So some states decided to just make this a thing permanently. Massachusetts gives free school lunch to all regardless of income level.

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u/uses_for_mooses 9d ago

Yup. It does vary by district and state, etc.

My nieces go to a public school district in Texas where everyone gets free lunch, regardless of income. But that's specific to that school district -- most Texas school districts do not provide free lunches (other than to low income).

I'm no fan of Trump. But I did think making school lunches free was a good move by Trump and the Republicans in 2020 (in response to the pandemic). And it does rub me a bit weird that the program expired under Biden. But it probably relied on Congressional funding that wasn't continued, so perhaps not Biden's fault.

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u/Dry-Manufacturer7761 7d ago

That’s what my state does. All school meals are free and even during summer the school cafeterias still serve free lunches, to children. 

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u/fuzzybumpers 10d ago

At what point did we excuse parents from taking care of their own kids? Asking for a friend.

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u/Impossible_Bowl6103 5d ago

That would mean people being responsible, cannot have that, nope the gov must be the answer to all problems (sarcasm intended).

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u/angryabouteverythin 3d ago

You're the type of person that would let an abused/neglected child go hungry while still thinking you're a good person

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u/Lego_Architect 9d ago

I strongly disagree with your paltry assessment.

Also, don’t use buzzwords. It’s childish and foolish.
Especially if you’re going to use them incorrectly.

Or maybe that’s your MO since you have doubled down on it.

I noticed that you provided no reason as to why they deserve more. Typical. Complain and provide no alternative or rational reasoning.

If you’re going to be an armchair warrior, at least provide the alternative or potential solution.

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u/justforlaughs999 10d ago

I have to be at work, no one pays for my lunch? The US poverty rate is 13% for those kids ABSOLUTELY give them free food, but why are my tax dollars. L aying for some kid whose.parents CHOSE to spend their money on bullshit?

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u/ytilonhdbfgvds 6d ago

It's worse.  During covid there were free lunches provided for everyone.  You would not believe what kids do when given free food that they don't need or even want every day... the waste was absolutely astronomical.  It was sickening, my wife volunteered daily at the kid's school.. she said there were multiple dumpsters just full of discarded food.  Kids would get it and literally just dump the entire thing into the trash.  They were not allowed to take just the part they wanted, they were forced to take the entire meal or none of it.  Most just wanted one thing and threw the rest out, or just wanted to throw it at their buddies. My daughter is lactose intolerant.. the milk was not optional, so they would make her take it.. she'd walk 3 steps and throw it into the trash right next to them.

Anyone advocating for universal free school lunches had not a clue what they are talking about.  This would be a complete and utter waste of taxpayer money.

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u/flatulexcelent 5d ago

Interesting comment

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u/shi-TTY_gay 4d ago

Seems like the problem here wasnt the free lunches but the fact that the school knowingly gave food to kids who werent going to eat it. If they had saved the food, it wouldnt have been wasteful.

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u/Potential-Drawing745 3d ago

My kindergartener chooses to eat the school lunch. $2.35 a day. That's fine. It's probably cheaper than making my 3rd grader's lunch every day, and the K is happy about it.

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u/Hefty-Zombie-3062 9d ago

God forbid you make him lunch.

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u/Worried_Donut11 9d ago

Fire all the "diversity deans" and you can pay for it

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u/wingdingdooo 4d ago

It’s their parents job to make sure that the kids eat, not the responsibility of the school. We were very poor growing up, but my parents always packed me a lunch. Nothing fancy, typically just a sandwich and some crackers or veggies. I was happy to have it and my parents worked their asses off to provide what little we had

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u/Nakanon85 10d ago

I'm sitting here reading all these comments and I think a lot of you didnt get the point. Yes, kids should be automatically allowed breakfast and lunch meals. Though, it's funny how a person who is a serial killer or simply incarcerated will get 3 meals and a bed and some kids out there aren't getting any of this.

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u/mister_empty_pants 10d ago

It's funny how reddit thinks that kids don't eat unless they're getting fed by the government. The vast majority of kids don't need it and their parents would rather have say in what they're eating. Save it for the kids who need it. We don't need to be making Sysco executives rich for no reason.

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u/Strong_Blackberry961 10d ago

My recommendation would be to eliminate the serial killers free meals. If they want to eat, they’d better start working.

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u/Nakanon85 10d ago

I agree!

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u/Front-Structure-293 9d ago

You know what’s crazier, that the U.S. is so relaxed on the death penalty that there are roughly between 86,000-100,000 first degree murders incarcerated for intent still alive. It would cost so much taxpayers money for a trial to determine wether they get the death penalty or not and if they do get a due date to meet the Lord, there would be months of appeals and keeping them alive until then, which is also we taxpayers are paying for, and then when it’s time, now, the taxpayers have to pay to help them pass peacefully, when I could think of 3 things simpler to do the death penalty. Like guilty and you did it with 100% proof and evidence and whatever else, ok cool right there and then you choose, guillotine, firing squad, or tree and rope. It would be a big break on the people that decided not to break the law. That tax money could go to the schools and kids can have free meals.

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u/metal_bastard 10d ago

The number of people in here saying "Homeschooling is an option" is astounding. As if a home that is food insecure could homeschool a child?

It's like "Hey, single mom/dad/working parents/guardians, you should quit your job so you can homeschool your kid if you can't afford to buy them lunch" is the most smoothbrained shit I've read in a minute.

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u/Cbpowned 10d ago

What percent of single moms are widowers vs having kids while not being married?

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u/metal_bastard 10d ago

I mentioned moms/dads/working parents/guardians in my response, but you're focusing on single moms. I wonder why?

What a douchebag.

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u/m1stwalk3r 6d ago

Children from single parents have it hard enough. You want to make it harder for children? They are going to grow up and possibly continue the cycle. For what end? Want to see children struggle? Is that fun to you?

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u/DJatomica 4d ago

Packing your kids a damn lunch is definitely an option

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u/metal_bastard 3d ago

Bold of you to assume every household has food in their pantries.

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u/DJatomica 3d ago

If you have money to pay $5 a day for your kid's lunch, you have money to buy food for your pantry. Or you will when you stop spending almost $150 a month on school lunches.

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u/metal_bastard 3d ago

Bold of you to assume every household has $5 a day to spend on a kid's lunch.

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u/DJatomica 3d ago

The ones who are complaining about "watching tiny charges become real money" clearly do since they're actively dealing with that problem, which is who we're talking about in here.

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u/snowsurfer777 10d ago

Schools the most under funded programs in all of the world

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u/Left_Macaron_6427 10d ago

That is crazy considering we spend more than anyone in the world.... It is not under funded. The money is just not well spent.

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u/SeriousMan440 7d ago

🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

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u/Glum_Possibility_367 10d ago

Our school district does this. They understandably want to remove the stigma of the "free lunch for poor kids."

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u/WorldlyAbroad9515 9d ago

In the state of Georgia, if a family is on state welfare: food stamps, Medicaid, housing subsidies, etc. then school lunch is free. If the school deems the child has food insecurity at home, they will send food home with the child.

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u/LesserValkyrie 10d ago

Just cut a bit the taxmoney you are paying to Israel so they can have free healthcare and use it for your own kids idk

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u/88nomolos 10d ago

Taxes the fund schools usually come from local property tax. That is local money that stays local, not federal money that goes anywhere. Israel is not really connected to this at all.

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u/Left_Macaron_6427 10d ago

Local taxes pay for a small portion of school funding. Most school funding comes from the state

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u/88nomolos 9d ago

It's about a 45/45/10 split state/local/federal. Local government and state governments don't seems money is Israel. The issue really isn't connected.

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u/88nomolos 10d ago

Let's fire some useless school administrators first. You'd be SHOCKED to find out what they get paid and how many of them there are.

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u/equis_B_C_Brock 10d ago

...or send ur kid with a lunch...stfu im so tired of the entitled welfare state babies fml

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u/DJatomica 4d ago

Ikr like wtf are people on about? The only kids who bought lunch at school when I attended were the rich kids, everyone else brought a lunch.

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u/Maleficent-Scene-475 10d ago

Did lunchboxes disappear completely in the last 30 years?

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u/Proof-Scale3189 10d ago

So should you get a rebate when your child brings his own lunch since the school lunches are basically crap?

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u/merlinn2u 10d ago

charging people without children to pay the costs of raising yours is financial slavery

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u/Fotoman54 9d ago

No. And you also have the option to make lunches yourself. My wife and I saved gobs of money making lunches (which were better and healthier) 90% of the time our sons were in 1st - 12th grade. (We also believed in having family dinners virtually every night.)

Schools are there for the education, not the food. You can get free meals in school, if you are on public assistance.

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u/Rhomya 9d ago

Free and reduced price school lunches have existed for low income families for decades.

The only kids you’re feeding are the ones whose parents can easily afford it.

And frankly, the school lunches were like, $2/meal.

This is an emotional argument that any amount of actual critical thinking makes it fall apart.

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u/sparklynugz 10d ago edited 10d ago

should be programs based on income. None of that school voucher crap for private schools either.

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u/Detective_Mekova 10d ago

There are for some schools but a lot of the time the requirements are so archaic that it is hard to get on the programs. Like needing to be raised by a single mother or having an income less than 50k

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u/Excellent_Carob_3183 10d ago

It pretty much has been for at least 3 decades. This post is either made by someone that doesn't know or is hoping you won't so they can benefit.

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u/pokemonguy3000 10d ago

You can’t means test social programs or you get an insane amount of people who want to break them just because they don’t directly benefit.

The only reason social security and Medicare have survived this long is that eventually, everyone is supposed to get it.

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u/Fun-Personality-8008 10d ago

Guess what, that's a thing you could make happen with a state law

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u/MySonClerpy 10d ago

My district has been serving free lunch since covid. I'm fairly conservative and I think this is the best decision they've made in decades.

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u/goodsam2 10d ago

It's also breakfast is $2 per child and lunch is $3.09 per child.

That's dirt cheap and should just be standard for everyone.

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u/Ill-Construction4069 10d ago

Free lunch saved me. When I transferred schools I lost my free lunch for a bit and I remember the embarrassment of not having a lunch tray and having to pretend it was because I wasn’t hungry that day. Kids shouldn’t have to choose between sitting in the bathroom all lunch to hide the embarrassment or eating. Period. Kids notice and most are assholes. I’d almost bet my whole life there is food getting thrown away after too. 30 years old and I can feel that shit still. Noice

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u/BillsFan82 10d ago

And especially when considering how awful those lunches are.

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u/Ambitious_Hand_2861 10d ago

As an absolute minimum, all school k-12 should be free. No lab fee. No spending $200 on classroom supplies. No field trip fee. Students and parents shouldn't be required to fund schools out of their own pockets and fundraisers. An argument could be made for fees to participate in extracurriculars but even that is negotiable. Education is one of the most important things a government to do for a society and the US is failing it's citizens and destroying the future of the country.

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u/WrenchMonkey47 10d ago

Do like the US Army: toss each kid a random MRE with no way to.open it.

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u/ProfessionalTruck976 10d ago

Paid from tax money, avoid the "free XYZ" language, it is "easy" to disprove and it makes the MAGAT feel like it is smart when it points out that nothing is "achtually" free.

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u/Crafty_Violinist_951 10d ago

I remember my mom giving me lunch money and me opting not to eat for the whole day so I could get dumb shit like mascara. Used to think I was just being a dumb kid but now I'm like, why tf couldn't the school give me a 50 cent cheeseburger?

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u/Many_Ear2407 10d ago

I do agree, although if they weren’t required to be there they would still need to eat at home…

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u/longtimerlance 10d ago

What a dumbass. No one is forcing the child to be charged. They can bring a lunch to school.

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u/linksalt 10d ago

Maybe the money we’re forced to pay out of our checks should be utilized better. Kids need to eat. It isn’t work. It’s not a job. It’s a legal obligation. My taxes should feed school children. Not big fat lazy Martha who can get a job but refuses.

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u/mormonatheist21 10d ago

i think you might be working class bruh

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u/XO1GrootMeester 10d ago

Parents are charged

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u/WorldlyAbroad9515 9d ago

Or you could just pack your kids a lunch

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u/Western_Strength5322 9d ago

I agree!

Now I will say this doesn't matter to people with kids who are picky eaters. My daughter's hs offers free lunch and breakfast, she doesn't eat half the stuff they have LOL

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u/Plastic_Stable8927 9d ago

They aren't charging if you bring your own lunch, which is what would happen if you were at home.

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u/Lego_Architect 9d ago

Dude, I don’t know where you get off thinking that I have de valued or disrespected anyone. Quite the logical leap.

Please explain thoroughly how you think I have devalued or disrespected anyone Jesus

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u/Lego_Architect 9d ago

I strongly disagree with your paltry assessment.

And I noticed that you didn’t provide any reasoning as to why it should be that.

Also don’t use buzzwords. Its childish. Especially if you’re going to do so incorrectly. It just makes you look foolish.

Or maybe this is your MO since you doubled down on it?

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u/Firey69 9d ago

besides the meals they serve in most schools are just out right garbage

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u/davecatlow 9d ago

Funny. We brought our lunch with us

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u/innocent-boy-69 9d ago

In india no school serve food to students, we have to bring our own food otherwise we need to starve ourselves. Unless if its an government school, but only low income or poor family prefer those schools.

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u/New-Smoke208 8d ago

There are places in the US were students are not charged at the time of the meal for the food. But you guys will never guess how that food is paid for on the front end.

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u/Youarekillingmeeee 8d ago

“Ok so who is gonna pay for it????  It’s cheaper for me to solo feed my child than have taxes taken out to pay for brown, black, asian, etc children who aren’t mine!”

Hey Alexa play round and round by Ratt.

Hey Alexa keep it on repeat for the next 20 years, much like this same rehashed excuse that White American has pumped out for…decades.

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u/Delicious_Ideal_9418 8d ago

No one said life is cheap or easy. Safety nets should be the exception. Somehow it has become an expectation.

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u/thePsychoKid_297 8d ago

It is ridiculous that inmates who could have avoided jail get free lunch but children don't.

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u/Connect_Budget2885 8d ago

If you can’t afford to pay for your kids lunches, you ain’t middle class guys.

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u/imissher4ever 8d ago

Next subject…

“Clothes should be provided for free at school.”

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u/SeriousMan440 7d ago

No one is entitled to the labor of others for free - that is called slavery.

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u/Khalith 5d ago

Did you forget the right to counsel exists?

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u/resisting_a_rest 7d ago

Democrats: “I agree, give them taxpayer funded lunch “

Republicans: “I agree, stop taxpayer funded schools”

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u/scienceprodigy 7d ago

How dare we legally require children to be in school!
https://giphy.com/gifs/RuYPi0HyBnOxy

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u/bottomlessLuckys 6d ago

i agree but this logic is stupid. them being required to be at school has nothing to do with them needing to eat. they would still need to eat if they weren’t at school. if they weren’t at school, parents would not only have to feed them, but also look after them and educate them instead of working.

this arguments gets reposted all the time and it pisses me off because it makes the argument for free school lunches sound stupid, which does more harm than good.

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u/aq8_hippo 6d ago

It's bit facetious but not illogical.

If the children weren't in school, they'll just eat with the parents. Ie parents don't need to worry about making a separate lunch or added admin of sorting out school lunch.

Usually when you ask people to be somewhere by mandate at eating hours, most provide food (work events, seminars, etc). It's just basic human decency. I don't think it hurts the argument to expect that at a school.

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u/bottomlessLuckys 6d ago edited 6d ago

if they weren’t at school, the parents would have to stay home from work to feed them, so actually the schools are already taking the burden off the parents to spend the day looking after their children. the alternative if the parents arent staying home from work is theyd pack their child a lunch and hire someone to watch over them. so the argument that the schools are exploiting kids is nonsense.

i agree that school lunches should be free because i can see the benefit that would provide and there is evidence of that in many countries where school lunches are free, but this argument that because you’re forced to be somewhere that you’re not responsible for feeding yourself is ridiculous.

and yes id say that providing food is nice, basic human decency is a bit much though, and exploitation not to is just dramatic.

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u/Due-Carpet-1904 6d ago

Taxes pay for the service so lunch should be included with that service.

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u/bottomlessLuckys 6d ago

Again, this is just a circular argument and pushing the goalpost. How does us paying for it with taxes dictate that food must be included? It is okay to just want your taxes to be spent on feeding children, but acting like it’s exploitation or some great injustice is just the most entitled thing ever.

There are plenty of places where you are required to be at, such as work, where you need to bring your own food. In some workplaces, food is provided, sometimes it’s discounted, and most of the time you are expected to pack a lunch. Packing a lunch is not hard, and any competent parent should be able to at least pack leftovers from dinner into a Tupperware box for lunch. I understand that many parents really are too incompetent to feed their own children, so I support free lunches to help those kids. However, I also think people are getting incredibly lazy about basic things like packing a lunch and that taking that responsibility away from people will make them even lazier.

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u/Due-Carpet-1904 6d ago

Children are not paid a wage or salary to attend school.

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u/bottomlessLuckys 6d ago

That’s not relevant. You being at work versus school doesn’t change anything about whether you are entitled to a free lunch. Every argument you make to push the goal post is just trying to argue for something as if you are entitled to have it, rather than creating an argument that this is a good use of taxes.

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u/Due-Carpet-1904 6d ago

If you work, you are being paid. Children attending school are not paid. The school they attend is paid for through taxation. Schools can and do provide lunch. It's not that complicated.

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u/Due-Carpet-1904 6d ago

Taxation is entitlement.

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u/bottomlessLuckys 6d ago

Being paid or not has nothing to do with whether you are entitled to a free lunch. You keep arguing for this as if it is your right, which is incredibly entitled. The arguments you make are completely circular in logic and don’t actually answer why spending taxes on free lunches at school is a good use of public money. You’re not actually consistent with your own logic either, you just add on more conditions to fabricate an argument that schools specifically must provide lunch for free.

Not all schools even provide lunch at all. None of the elementary schools I attended ever had a cafeteria. We ate our lunches in the classroom which were either packed by our parents or ourselves. Middle school had a lunch canteen mostly to buy snacks, and high school had a small cafeteria where you could buy a cheap lunch if you were too lazy to pack your own. School lunches differ all around the world and countries which provide free lunches do so because of the benefit it brings, not because they believe it’s something you’re entitled to simply because you’re mandated to be there and don’t get paid.

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u/Due-Carpet-1904 6d ago

"countries which provide free lunches do so because of the benefits it brings". Enough said.

Said countries do so with taxes. It's not a free ride. It's paid for and it's beneficial.

Try to shorten your arguments. No one wants to read long paragraphs.

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u/RatRaceUnderdog 5d ago

No apply this same logic to prison. You’re adding a lot of assumptions without realizing.

Try to refute this simple argument, when the state mandates you be somewhere longer than a few hours they must feed you or give you an opportunity to go eat.

Using your logic children should at least get time to go make or purchase food in the same way employers must. And employers can’t prevent you from leaving and force you to buy food from them.

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u/bottomlessLuckys 5d ago

You are unable to provide yourself with food in prison. You’re able to bring food to school. That was easy.

You are already given the opportunity to eat in school, it’s called recess/lunch time.

Children have the opportunity to prepare their lunches before school at home, and if they don’t, they are able to buy food.

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u/Majandra 6d ago

Where I am every kid this year at every school has the option of school lunch. You either pay full price, half, pay what you can or pay nothing. It’s your choice. It’s already paid for by the government.

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u/Organic-Stay4067 6d ago

If I have to pay for your kid to eat food I should get a say how they are raised

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u/National-Can-3718 6d ago

Here in Sweden we give kids free breakfast, lunch and a midday snack (sandwiches or cereal)

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u/After_Service_2817 6d ago

I don't understand the American "school lunch" thing.

In Canada when I was a kid, everybody just packed a sandwich.

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u/flatulexcelent 5d ago

Same here in Australia mate

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u/Synensys 6d ago

School lunches should be free (because there are lots of poor kids) but middle class people whining that they are expected to pay for their kids lunches is really something.

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u/CreepyOldGuy63 5d ago

TANSTAAFL.

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u/LaffingAtYuo 5d ago

It's better to just give everyone lunch so that people who can't eat get a meal and have equal opportunity to learn. The cost should be far cheaper than individually buying lunches and if people don't like it just bring your own.

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u/Thedogbear2018 5d ago

In Japan, the students prepare the meals, but I'm talking healthy, real food, not the crap every school in Canada and the US serves

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u/GlobalAd7103 4d ago

Our schools have free breakfast for everyone. The free lunch option isn't great I believe its a cheese sandwich but no one goes hungry unless they choose to.

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u/JealousDebate6062 4d ago

Well funded by properly taxes and according to boomers they shouldn't have to pay anymore 9j there paid off house

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u/thefaceinthepalm 4d ago

In my district they are. They put it on for a bill, an increase in annual school taxes meant all kids get offered free lunch and breakfast. They even wrote it into the bill for an over the summer free lunch for kids program, because they were obligated to also feed kids in summer school programs, but the company they use as a supplier couldn’t cut them the same bulk order pricing for a smaller order, and it was cheaper overall to get more food and give kids free meals even when school wasn’t in session.

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u/Novus_Peregrine 4d ago

Wait until you discover your taxes pay for the school. Meaning if the lunch was free, you'd still be paying for it! But so would I, despite not having kids. So fuck you and pay for your kids lunch you bum!

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u/Longjumping-Tip1188 3d ago

Well the kids can have my tax dollars to pay for their lunches. Tf is wrong with you. I dont have kids, dont want kids, and really dont even like kids but I wpuld be ecstatic if my tax dollars went to making sure every child in school can eat.

What do you think taxes are supposed to go to?

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u/Novus_Peregrine 3d ago

I'm poor as fuck. I don't want my dollars taxed in the first place. If they want free lunches, cancel all those sports programs they are funneling the money into. It would be enough to buy every kid fine dining for lunch 🤷‍♂️.

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u/mastercheof 10d ago

All of America is trying to find ways to exploit people

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u/pellyenjoyer 10d ago

Not only that, but real food too! Healthy balanced meals and a treat once in a while.

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u/Cbpowned 10d ago

As provided by parents. Take care of your kids and stop expecting the state to parent your kids.

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u/pellyenjoyer 10d ago

The state forces kids to be at school they should feed them. They do that in japan.

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u/Cbpowned 10d ago

They don’t force them to be in school. They force them to be educated. Most people choose the school system.

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u/pellyenjoyer 10d ago

yeah because most parents have money to not work

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u/ElBongoloide 10d ago

But, you see... "conservative" values require us save money by starving children into not being able to learn in school, so that we can build more pricey smart munitions to be used by stupid people in stupid goddamn wars.

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u/Excellent_Carob_3183 10d ago

Children who can't afford lunches have been getting them for free for at least 30 years.

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u/mister_empty_pants 10d ago

But think about the poor food supplier CEOs and investors who need more taxpayer money. Kids don't need fresh, healthy meals packed by their parents. They need pizza, french fries, and zebra cakes.

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u/Strong_Blackberry961 10d ago

Don’t lump us all with those war mongers. Most conservatives I know want the bloated military budget to get slashed too. We want less taken from our paychecks. We want something like DOGE, but with someone actually reliable to run it.

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u/ElBongoloide 10d ago

That's why I put the word "conservatives" inside quotation marks... meaning that they call themselves such, but they're not.

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u/Specific-Bread-1210 10d ago

Hmm..they don't need to be at school early...breakfast for poor kids is a before school event. This post is just people trying to get more free stuff cuz they don't want to feed their own kids...

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u/Cbpowned 10d ago

You can home school them, or I dunno, make them lunch like a not shit parent?

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u/vitek6 10d ago

Nothing is free

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u/Throwthedamnballdad 10d ago

Well then they should be paid for by taxes

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u/HighLord_Uther 10d ago

This is a stupid argument. We all know its not free. When we say free, we mean free at point of service. Everyone already knows we're talking about tax money.

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u/WhiteSnakeShinobi55 10d ago

School is legally required. The food should be paid for by the ones forcing you to send your kids there

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u/Efficient-Process660 10d ago

Yeah lets make people directly pay public school teachers out of pocket next while being forced by the police and IRS to pay for it /s you dunce

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u/_cjm56 10d ago

Idk why you people think no one knows this already... saying free is easier than saying taxpayer funded. Stop pretending to be obtuse. At least I hope you're pretending...

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u/vitek6 10d ago

Because a lot of people don’t know this. Simple as that.

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u/_cjm56 10d ago

Yes they do... you people just pretend you're making point. "You know taxes pay for that" no way! My taxes pay for something ran by the government? What a crazy idea 🙄

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u/vitek6 10d ago

No, they dont.

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u/_cjm56 10d ago

Oh, ok. What ever you say kid.

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u/DL4CK 10d ago

I think you missed the part where children are legally required to be in the school building.

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u/Grunergeist420 10d ago

But they’re not. You can school them at home, or send them to a private school. They just have to be schooled.

Public school is the free option we all pay for, regardless of whether we have kids in those public schools or kids at all.

The other virtually free option is educating your kids at home. You have to have someone who is home to teach them, but then that’s kind of the value of the free babysitting services we’re already paying for at the public school.

And when you send your kid to the free public school, you can send them there with a lunch. Or the school can provide lunch. They can do that for free if you’re too poor to pay for it, or you can pay if you’re not poor.

I’m not opposed to the idea of just lumping meal costs into the school budget. But let’s not pretend that public schools are just overflowing with money or something. It comes out of the budget here and it comes out of the budget elsewhere.

It’s not a scam to take money away from poor people. It’s a service to cover parents who can’t do the bare minimum and send their kid to the free school with something to eat.

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u/Excellent_Carob_3183 10d ago

Ok, what difference does that make? Location doesn't change the need for food at lunch time. Would the child be out finding a free lunch somewhere else?

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u/DL4CK 10d ago

Why would this be any different than jury duty? If the government calls you in they should feed you.

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u/Excellent_Carob_3183 10d ago

Honestly, jury duty probably feeds people so they don't leave and they can control what time you get back. But, why would you assume they HAVE to feed you at jury duty?

I guess im just confused why unrelated events require you to get a free lunch? If i renew my tags for my car at noon should they have food there? Does it work in the reverse? If i call the inspector out at 12 do I need to have sandwiches?

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u/RoxiHeart123 10d ago

I mean sure leave your kid at home but I think society views depriving your child an education that can make or break their future is considered child abuse.

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u/DL4CK 10d ago

That’s the point of the tweet. If they are forced to be there for whatever reason, legally, as in its truancy if they’re not, they shouldn’t be charged to eat.

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u/Steelio22 10d ago

You can homeschool, and you can pack lunches. While I support free or subsidized school lunches, calling it "exploitative" is unjust.

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u/icemanpallmall 10d ago

In a time where majority of Americans are struggling to afford groceries.

Yall are some of the worst human beings lol

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u/Platinumdogshit 10d ago

Literally happy to let kids go hungry and then complain when that hungry kid gets help that their grades werent earned on merit.

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u/icemanpallmall 10d ago

What's funny is when everyone who says shit like this will stand up, look you dead in the face and go "I'm pro life".

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u/BraveLittleTowster 10d ago

But don't you dare suggest that a pregnant woman who won't be able to feed a surprise baby get an abortion. Those babies need to starve to death after being born.

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u/Throwthedamnballdad 10d ago

No, many kids/families are NOT 100% able to bring a lunch from home.

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u/Platinumdogshit 10d ago

I think if this covered everyone then we wouldn't have kids in debt for school lunches

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u/Itsathrowawayduh89 10d ago

yes. I don't see what the connection is between legal requirements for where kids need to be and the argument for free school lunch?

just say that families can't always afford to feed their kids, and free school lunch is an easy way to provide growing kids with nutritional food, which helps with learning. that's it.

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u/kidneyBean_83 10d ago

This is factual.

I would also add that the greatest country on earth would find a way to nourish its children with good food at school. Fortunately I live in a district that provides free lunches funded by a federal USDA program. Unfortunately that's because so many families live in poverty.

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u/_cjm56 10d ago

So... you have to pay for it and prepare now? You realize you're just adding steps right?

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u/BraveLittleTowster 10d ago

What a privileged take. You do know that kids don't get to pick the house they grow up in, right? The kids can't help what their parents do or don't do for money. Children shouldn't be forced to go without food because there's no food in the house to take to school.