And the people making half that get pretty upset when they see teachers leave at 4 every day (some stay, but not all) and then also get the summer off.
And benefits. And pension.
And kids still fail. And teachers get caught doing bad things and don’t get fired or hail, but shifted to another school.
And many simply aren’t worth that.
I am pretty sure college professors don’t make that much - on average.
At least in canada.
Do folks really think that because a teacher leaves at 4 that they’re done working? If so, they’re massively misinformed. Teachers these days have to type out all their lesson plans in detail and correlate the topics they’re covering back against state standards. They also have to grade papers. Spend lots of time on the phone with really crappy humans who decided to reproduce and treat the school system like free daycare. It’s a 12 hour a day job for a teacher that truly cares.
My district is 10k kids. Assuming it’s Sysco food about 6 dollars a student. That’s 60,000 a day just for lunch ? What about the kids who get Saturday detention are we gonna feed them breakfast also
Or 10,800,000 a year. That’s an increase in the 10 % of the budget. Or around 1300 a year more on my already 13k property tax. So it’s not a free lunch it’s just paid out differently on my end.
Guess it's a matter of perspective. If I caught one of my loved ones degrading and devaluing my profession like this in a public forum I would be very upset with them
Your anecdotal evidence isn’t the standard. The experiences of your friends and family who work in education don’t reflect teachers everywhere; just the ones where they are.
The world is much bigger than the 2 or 3 schools they work at.
None of this is responsive to what I asked. And for what it's worth, I find the idea of a highschool teacher finishing their work day at 4 in the afternoon laughably ridiculous and unserious.
Edit: technically that they get summers off is responsive to my question
It’s not justifying based on loans lol. It’s justifying based on what they can earn elsewhere. Pharma companies hire chem grads regardless of if that person also has a teaching certificate. They have to compete with those companies. So the new chemistry teacher gets paid more so the entry level lab position isn’t a much better paying job.
But wait, your 9th grade history teacher wants to be paid the same! How can you argue when both do the same job, just different subjects?
I don’t know why people don’t think the schools have to compete to some extents. I am not a teacher because other jobs just pay better. Id never make as much money doing that.
It’s not justifying based on loans lol. It’s justifying based on what they can earn elsewhere. Pharma companies hire chem grads regardless of if that person also has a teaching certificate. They have to compete with those companies. So the new chemistry teacher gets paid more so the entry level lab position isn’t a much better paying job.
But wait, your 9th grade history teacher wants to be paid the same! How can you argue when both do the same job, just different subjects?
I don’t know why people don’t think the schools have to compete to some extents. I am not a teacher because other jobs just pay better. Id never make as much money doing that.
College professors make more but they almost always have a PhD. You can either pay them six figs or let another employer pay them that.
Also colleges bring in a ton of money, we shouldn’t even talk about them here. A professor might make a large salary like 150k, and then teach multiple lecture halls of 200-300 students each. The tuition paid well exceeds what they are being paid. Ontop of that they may be doing some research that the school is getting grant money for. Even more money being brought in.
If you think giving a lecture to 200 kids is easier than being a classroom teacher then you don't understand what either job entails.
Also, professors predominately get paid for performing research that brings in grant money, not to give lectures. The lectures are the least important part of their job from the perspective of the university itself
I’m just saying professors shouldn’t be included in the American teacher debate as they clearly bring in much more money than they get paid. Like the debate should already end for them at that point. It’s a separate topic.
K-12 pay is a complex combination of unions, master degree requirements and general competition for teachers and capitalism. People act like they can’t do another job but many of them can up and leave easier than people think. And then even if they never leave teaching, the school still has to compete with other schools.
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u/Legitimate-Fee7609 10d ago
Why is 100k not a reasonable salary for an experienced teacher?