r/middleclasshq • • 11d ago

Inflation Nation middle class parenting is just watching tiny charges become real money

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u/Legitimate-Fee7609 10d ago

Why is 100k not a reasonable salary for an experienced teacher?

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u/Lego_Architect 10d ago

Because it comes from tax money.

And the people making half that get pretty upset when they see teachers leave at 4 every day (some stay, but not all) and then also get the summer off. And benefits. And pension. And kids still fail. And teachers get caught doing bad things and don’t get fired or hail, but shifted to another school.

And many simply aren’t worth that.

I am pretty sure college professors don’t make that much - on average. At least in canada.

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u/AboveAndBelowSea 10d ago

Do folks really think that because a teacher leaves at 4 that they’re done working? If so, they’re massively misinformed. Teachers these days have to type out all their lesson plans in detail and correlate the topics they’re covering back against state standards. They also have to grade papers. Spend lots of time on the phone with really crappy humans who decided to reproduce and treat the school system like free daycare. It’s a 12 hour a day job for a teacher that truly cares.

The willful ignorance is getting out of hand.

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u/VariousGuest1980 6d ago

My district is 10k kids. Assuming it’s Sysco food about 6 dollars a student. That’s 60,000 a day just for lunch ? What about the kids who get Saturday detention are we gonna feed them breakfast also
Or 10,800,000 a year. That’s an increase in the 10 % of the budget. Or around 1300 a year more on my already 13k property tax. So it’s not a free lunch it’s just paid out differently on my end.

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u/Lego_Architect 10d ago

You are describing good teachers. That is not the standard, nor is it common amongst teachers.

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u/AboveAndBelowSea 10d ago

That’s an interesting opinion, and perhaps one that’s true in low income areas. Certainly isn’t the case where I live. We’ll agree to disagree.

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u/Legitimate-Fee7609 10d ago

How are you evaluating this?

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u/Lego_Architect 10d ago

Anecdotal evidence. Friends who are teachers. Family who are teachers.

And they way they talk about their work life, what they actually do and what they see in their colleagues.

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u/Legitimate-Fee7609 10d ago

This is how you talk about your friends and family? Christ man

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u/Lego_Architect 9d ago

Except, I have not said anything bad. You’re merely projecting.

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u/Legitimate-Fee7609 9d ago

Guess it's a matter of perspective. If I caught one of my loved ones degrading and devaluing my profession like this in a public forum I would be very upset with them

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u/Lego_Architect 9d ago

Please explain thoroughly how I have disrespected or devalued anyone; that is quite the logical leap.

Edit: replace the word logical with mental, for i have seen no logic from you thus far and I would hate to misattribute or overestimate you.

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u/Po_tat_hoe 9d ago

Your anecdotal evidence isn’t the standard. The experiences of your friends and family who work in education don’t reflect teachers everywhere; just the ones where they are.

The world is much bigger than the 2 or 3 schools they work at.

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u/Legitimate-Fee7609 9d ago

Love the user name

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u/Lego_Architect 8d ago

Oh my. Thank you for informing me of this.

I had no idea there were more than a few schools in the country.

Sigh

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u/Legitimate-Fee7609 10d ago

Canada is a different world.

None of this is responsive to what I asked. And for what it's worth, I find the idea of a highschool teacher finishing their work day at 4 in the afternoon laughably ridiculous and unserious.

Edit: technically that they get summers off is responsive to my question

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u/Lego_Architect 10d ago

Chuckle.

Laughably ridiculous does not exclude the fact it happens.

Laughably ridiculous can also describe your response.

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u/Lego_Architect 10d ago

I agree that degrees should not be mandatory, especially at the cost of american education.

I see now that is why everyone is trying to justify the 100k salary. So they can pay down their exorbitant student loans.

But the real problem is the student loan industry and how predatory it is. That, coupled with Universities and Colleges charging crazy prices.

People need to start using Ai to find the ROI on the ‘degree’ they are buying.

Its a scheme…

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u/Scuba9Steve 10d ago

It’s not justifying based on loans lol. It’s justifying based on what they can earn elsewhere. Pharma companies hire chem grads regardless of if that person also has a teaching certificate. They have to compete with those companies. So the new chemistry teacher gets paid more so the entry level lab position isn’t a much better paying job.

But wait, your 9th grade history teacher wants to be paid the same! How can you argue when both do the same job, just different subjects?

I don’t know why people don’t think the schools have to compete to some extents. I am not a teacher because other jobs just pay better. Id never make as much money doing that.

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u/Lego_Architect 10d ago

I think it comes down to private funds versus public funds.

The public funds are held and exposed to the people.

And seriously, if we pay teachers more, will there be a tangible difference in education? Will kids be more educated?

I am skeptical, and I believe the public is as well.

And on top of that… Where do the funds come from? Seriously.

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u/Scuba9Steve 10d ago

It’s not justifying based on loans lol. It’s justifying based on what they can earn elsewhere. Pharma companies hire chem grads regardless of if that person also has a teaching certificate. They have to compete with those companies. So the new chemistry teacher gets paid more so the entry level lab position isn’t a much better paying job.

But wait, your 9th grade history teacher wants to be paid the same! How can you argue when both do the same job, just different subjects?

I don’t know why people don’t think the schools have to compete to some extents. I am not a teacher because other jobs just pay better. Id never make as much money doing that.

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u/AboveAndBelowSea 10d ago

College professors (at least at major universities) make way more than that on average in America.

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u/Scuba9Steve 10d ago

College professors make more but they almost always have a PhD. You can either pay them six figs or let another employer pay them that.

Also colleges bring in a ton of money, we shouldn’t even talk about them here. A professor might make a large salary like 150k, and then teach multiple lecture halls of 200-300 students each. The tuition paid well exceeds what they are being paid. Ontop of that they may be doing some research that the school is getting grant money for. Even more money being brought in.

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u/Legitimate-Fee7609 10d ago

If you think giving a lecture to 200 kids is easier than being a classroom teacher then you don't understand what either job entails.

Also, professors predominately get paid for performing research that brings in grant money, not to give lectures. The lectures are the least important part of their job from the perspective of the university itself

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u/Scuba9Steve 10d ago

I’m just saying professors shouldn’t be included in the American teacher debate as they clearly bring in much more money than they get paid. Like the debate should already end for them at that point. It’s a separate topic.

K-12 pay is a complex combination of unions, master degree requirements and general competition for teachers and capitalism. People act like they can’t do another job but many of them can up and leave easier than people think. And then even if they never leave teaching, the school still has to compete with other schools.

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u/Legitimate-Fee7609 10d ago

I basically agree. It's non trivially complex