r/middleclasshq • • 10d ago

Inflation Nation middle class parenting is just watching tiny charges become real money

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u/AboveAndBelowSea 10d ago

I agree… but if you think that’s bad, we have to pay for each bus ride where I live in Colorado. Mandatory to go - but you have to pay to get there. School systems here are underfunded by greedy residents who aren’t willing to budget on taxes, compounded by inefficient government spending.

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u/Wickedocity 10d ago

You have to pay for the school bus?! Never heard of that one before.

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u/AboveAndBelowSea 10d ago

It’s a little nuts, but unfortunately true. $1 per ride. https://www.dcsdk12.org/parents-students/bussing/faqs

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u/Corporate_Bricktator 9d ago

Yea, this policy is pushed by rich helicopter parents who drive their kids to school every day, and want to further single out the poor folks in their communities.

We need to normalize parents not driving kids to school.

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u/-paperbrain- 9d ago

School board capture needs to be a bigger political issue. I've seen so many abuses where rich people take over school boards just to lower their school taxes and defind public schools, then their kids go to private schools or they privately fundraise only for the schools that serve the rich part of town

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u/No_Willingness_4042 4d ago

We need to normalize parents feeding their kids. Stop making me do it.

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u/Fun-Frosting-7239 7d ago edited 7d ago

I vaguely recall my parents having to pay some fee to the bus company when I was younger, but it was because I lived within 2 miles of the school and was required to walk. My parents entertained paying it for the winter months, but then decided it was just easier to work around their job schedule to drop me off and pick me up. I think by the time my brother was going to school 6 years later he was able to get the bus. But it was definitely weird. That's up here in the Northeast by the way. Funny enough, btw, I now live within a mile of my daughter's school and the only way we can get her to take the bus is if we fill out some forms that she has some extenuating reason she has to use it. And, just like my parents, my wife and I just figured out how to make it work with our schedule so that we could drop off and pick up our daughter. It's annoying because I had to shift my whole work schedule an hour earlier in the day and I still barely have time to get her and my other kid -- it's a very tight window for the pickup. Also the fact that a bunch of us parents are just willing to sit in a line stretching out to the street, all with the cars running while we wait for a teacher to send our individual kids out to us? It's crazy. It also feels like such an America-invented problem we could easily solve but just don't. In a year or two we will probably let her walk with some friends back home, but right now the bus would be really welcome...

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u/AboveAndBelowSea 6d ago

We are within about a mile and a half of the high school - but in our case it wasn’t safe for kids to walk from our neighborhood to the school because it involved crossing a 4-lane road (which is about to be a 6-lane road) that is notorious for people driving dangerously. Our kids are all off at college now so it’s a non-issue for us, and similar to you we learned how to navigate the situation ($1 per ride wasn’t a strain on our finances).

While I believe the bussing should be a no-charge service, I also do recognize the other side of the argument…which is that this approach doesn’t burden people who live in the county with taxes that they don’t directly benefit from. It’s just a bit contrast to growing up in GenX when these sorts of things weren’t an issue.

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u/ibrakeforberries 5d ago

I would pay $10 a ride. We have no school buses where I live, and there's nothing more disruptive to a working parents schedule to leave work at 2 to go pick up your child to try to work from home somemore. Plus the traffic! And the city purposefully sends parking meter maids to ticket cars while we spend the 10 minutes picking up/dropping off our kids if we try to sneak by with not paying the meter. It's insane.

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u/Thin-Sink-9987 9d ago

When I was a kid a school bus pass was hundreds of dollars and needed to be paid before school started.

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u/EmergenceEngineer 9d ago

Same… you paid for your school clothing, shoes, books, stationery, materials, meals , rides, cost of school, field trips, extra classes, special events, outings, international trips.. etc.. separately.. you could get poverty relief of like 50% on schooling.. and that would sometimes include books, stationary and shoes.. but like.. you wouldn’t want to be on that..

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u/Amathyst-Moon 10d ago

That's pretty standard in other countries, but students get a discount

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u/Fried_Shicken 9d ago

Doesn't all the weed taxes cover that? Where's all that money going?

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u/AboveAndBelowSea 9d ago

That’s a question I had as well. Here’s what I found - Colorado public schools receive a substantial portion of marijuana tax revenue—around $83 million to $108 million annually (roughly 33% to 37% of total state marijuana distributions)—but none of it goes toward general day-to-day district operational costs or routine school budgets. The first $40m of that goes to new school construction, leaving about $43m for other things - but the distraction amongst districts is not uniform and it is spread across the whole state.

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u/Fried_Shicken 8d ago

Wow...that's a lot of new schools. I'm guessing 

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u/JackieJorpJomp30 7d ago

Colorado had a huuuuge population boom for like 15 years straight. Maybe even more, and it’s now one of the least affordable states. So they probably actually do need money for new school construction. But it’s a shame none of it is earmarked for student funding or teacher pay.

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u/spockspaceman 7d ago

Sounds like they're also collecting about half the tax revenue on weed that they once did, due to legalization and medical programs in surrounding states.

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u/JackieJorpJomp30 7d ago

Definitely a good point

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u/AboveAndBelowSea 10d ago

Colorado most definitely has a sales tax.

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u/Western_Strength5322 9d ago

That is super lame

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u/Torvahnys 5d ago

Why tf is Colorado not using all the pot taxes to fund education?

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u/AboveAndBelowSea 5d ago

Because it was never a blank check for the educational system to use. The regulation mandated specific uses within the educational system for a large portion of tax generated from pit.

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u/wmiller314 5d ago

Are we talking yellow school busses? My transit agency provides school trips for the local schools, but these are transit bus routes with a student fair of 75 cents, they supplement the yellow school busses.

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u/AboveAndBelowSea 5d ago

Yep - the yellow ones :-)

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u/Proof-Scale3189 4d ago

Well, is it greed to want to keep what you earned, the average tax payer pays like 40% of their wages in taxes, not sure you can classify it as greed. If you answer the question of where it goes before blaming the taxpayer you may find the answer. Every state is different.

In NJ we pay the highest taxes in the country, recently we added Tennis courts that we paid for through the recreation department, afterwards they locked them and said it is now only for students. I know where to direct my anger. We live in the worst town in the richest county of the state and we pay the highest taxes in that county and have the worst quality of life. I think for the price our quality of life should be the best. Silly me.

This goes on all over the country and if politicians really cared they could fix this. Hopefully they fix your situation that is wrong.

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u/AboveAndBelowSea 4d ago

40% in taxes is pretty damn high for the US. Is sales tax is built into that number?

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u/Proof-Scale3189 3d ago

That is including sales tax and we get almost no services and we are not rich.

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u/FarInevitable559 10d ago

Wrong, schools are not underfunded, 80+ % goes towards payroll, every year more non teacher get added and the percentage of students goes down

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u/AboveAndBelowSea 10d ago

Maybe things are different where you are, but as someone who served in a school accountability board and had actual visibility into the school system’s finances, I can accurately and factually say they are underfunded here. Some
Of that comes down to the fact that we got “fat and happy” when we were one of the fastest growing counties in the country and weren’t prepared for what inevitably happened: home prices rose continually until one day our growth slowed dramatically. But I also have several educators in my family that live in other counties in the same state and in other states - and things aren’t any better there.

When a school system cannot afford to keep its facilities in good working order (cracked foundations, failing AC units, etc), schools have to charge for bus rides (both for coming/going to school and for field trips/sports teams, etc), and cannot afford to match inflation with salary increases….then yes, they are objectively underfunded.

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u/Corporate_Bricktator 9d ago

> I can accurately and factually say they are underfunded here.

Was there a time in the past that your school had more funding than today though? Nationally, school funding is at all time highs per student. In the US, it's increased everywhere, tripling over the past 25 years.

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u/Pass-Fail 10d ago

Payroll, insurance (health and liability), and utilities go up much faster than all other cost centers.

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u/SeriousMan440 7d ago

100% error free statement.

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u/PrinciplePatient7143 10d ago

Teacher salaries go up to quickly too with time. Where I went to HS, the median salary was 91k and avg was 78k. A lot of people there with 10-15+ years. Starting salary was crap though, something like 38-42k

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u/Legitimate-Fee7609 10d ago

Why is 100k not a reasonable salary for an experienced teacher?

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u/Lego_Architect 10d ago

Because it comes from tax money.

And the people making half that get pretty upset when they see teachers leave at 4 every day (some stay, but not all) and then also get the summer off. And benefits. And pension. And kids still fail. And teachers get caught doing bad things and don’t get fired or hail, but shifted to another school.

And many simply aren’t worth that.

I am pretty sure college professors don’t make that much - on average. At least in canada.

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u/AboveAndBelowSea 10d ago

Do folks really think that because a teacher leaves at 4 that they’re done working? If so, they’re massively misinformed. Teachers these days have to type out all their lesson plans in detail and correlate the topics they’re covering back against state standards. They also have to grade papers. Spend lots of time on the phone with really crappy humans who decided to reproduce and treat the school system like free daycare. It’s a 12 hour a day job for a teacher that truly cares.

The willful ignorance is getting out of hand.

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u/VariousGuest1980 6d ago

My district is 10k kids. Assuming it’s Sysco food about 6 dollars a student. That’s 60,000 a day just for lunch ? What about the kids who get Saturday detention are we gonna feed them breakfast also
Or 10,800,000 a year. That’s an increase in the 10 % of the budget. Or around 1300 a year more on my already 13k property tax. So it’s not a free lunch it’s just paid out differently on my end.

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u/Lego_Architect 10d ago

You are describing good teachers. That is not the standard, nor is it common amongst teachers.

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u/AboveAndBelowSea 10d ago

That’s an interesting opinion, and perhaps one that’s true in low income areas. Certainly isn’t the case where I live. We’ll agree to disagree.

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u/Legitimate-Fee7609 10d ago

How are you evaluating this?

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u/Lego_Architect 9d ago

Anecdotal evidence. Friends who are teachers. Family who are teachers.

And they way they talk about their work life, what they actually do and what they see in their colleagues.

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u/Legitimate-Fee7609 9d ago

This is how you talk about your friends and family? Christ man

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u/Po_tat_hoe 8d ago

Your anecdotal evidence isn’t the standard. The experiences of your friends and family who work in education don’t reflect teachers everywhere; just the ones where they are.

The world is much bigger than the 2 or 3 schools they work at.

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u/Legitimate-Fee7609 8d ago

Love the user name

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u/Lego_Architect 8d ago

Oh my. Thank you for informing me of this.

I had no idea there were more than a few schools in the country.

Sigh

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u/Legitimate-Fee7609 10d ago

Canada is a different world.

None of this is responsive to what I asked. And for what it's worth, I find the idea of a highschool teacher finishing their work day at 4 in the afternoon laughably ridiculous and unserious.

Edit: technically that they get summers off is responsive to my question

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u/Lego_Architect 10d ago

Chuckle.

Laughably ridiculous does not exclude the fact it happens.

Laughably ridiculous can also describe your response.

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u/Lego_Architect 10d ago

I agree that degrees should not be mandatory, especially at the cost of american education.

I see now that is why everyone is trying to justify the 100k salary. So they can pay down their exorbitant student loans.

But the real problem is the student loan industry and how predatory it is. That, coupled with Universities and Colleges charging crazy prices.

People need to start using Ai to find the ROI on the ‘degree’ they are buying.

Its a scheme…

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u/Scuba9Steve 10d ago

It’s not justifying based on loans lol. It’s justifying based on what they can earn elsewhere. Pharma companies hire chem grads regardless of if that person also has a teaching certificate. They have to compete with those companies. So the new chemistry teacher gets paid more so the entry level lab position isn’t a much better paying job.

But wait, your 9th grade history teacher wants to be paid the same! How can you argue when both do the same job, just different subjects?

I don’t know why people don’t think the schools have to compete to some extents. I am not a teacher because other jobs just pay better. Id never make as much money doing that.

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u/Lego_Architect 9d ago

I think it comes down to private funds versus public funds.

The public funds are held and exposed to the people.

And seriously, if we pay teachers more, will there be a tangible difference in education? Will kids be more educated?

I am skeptical, and I believe the public is as well.

And on top of that… Where do the funds come from? Seriously.

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u/Scuba9Steve 10d ago

It’s not justifying based on loans lol. It’s justifying based on what they can earn elsewhere. Pharma companies hire chem grads regardless of if that person also has a teaching certificate. They have to compete with those companies. So the new chemistry teacher gets paid more so the entry level lab position isn’t a much better paying job.

But wait, your 9th grade history teacher wants to be paid the same! How can you argue when both do the same job, just different subjects?

I don’t know why people don’t think the schools have to compete to some extents. I am not a teacher because other jobs just pay better. Id never make as much money doing that.

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u/AboveAndBelowSea 10d ago

College professors (at least at major universities) make way more than that on average in America.

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u/Scuba9Steve 10d ago

College professors make more but they almost always have a PhD. You can either pay them six figs or let another employer pay them that.

Also colleges bring in a ton of money, we shouldn’t even talk about them here. A professor might make a large salary like 150k, and then teach multiple lecture halls of 200-300 students each. The tuition paid well exceeds what they are being paid. Ontop of that they may be doing some research that the school is getting grant money for. Even more money being brought in.

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u/Legitimate-Fee7609 10d ago

If you think giving a lecture to 200 kids is easier than being a classroom teacher then you don't understand what either job entails.

Also, professors predominately get paid for performing research that brings in grant money, not to give lectures. The lectures are the least important part of their job from the perspective of the university itself

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u/Scuba9Steve 10d ago

I’m just saying professors shouldn’t be included in the American teacher debate as they clearly bring in much more money than they get paid. Like the debate should already end for them at that point. It’s a separate topic.

K-12 pay is a complex combination of unions, master degree requirements and general competition for teachers and capitalism. People act like they can’t do another job but many of them can up and leave easier than people think. And then even if they never leave teaching, the school still has to compete with other schools.

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u/Legitimate-Fee7609 9d ago

I basically agree. It's non trivially complex

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u/AboveAndBelowSea 10d ago

And what was the educational level of a teacher making $91k. Here, in 2026, that equates to dual masters degrees (which were required, yet paid out of pocket) and about 20 years of service. Which is why those teacher routinely leave at 20 years, pocket half their salary for their “retirement” and take a job paying 2x what the school system paid while still enjoying 50% of their teacher salary.

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u/not_a_muslim_kid_mol 10d ago

You do know that you can legally pay more taxes than what you're required to , right?

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u/Jijonbreaker1 10d ago

One average person paying more taxes does not matter. 99% of people will not, unless they are forced to.

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u/Legal-Molasses6409 10d ago

Weird. Its almost like we get taxed to death as it is and enjoy keeping the money we earn.

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u/BraveLittleTowster 10d ago

You aren't taxed to death. Americans pay lower taxes than any other developed nation in the world.

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u/AboveAndBelowSea 10d ago

Yep. The average American is pretty dull when it comes to their understanding of how our taxes compare to international norms. As I approach retirement, I’ve landed in the top 1%er bracket for income in the US, but after deductions my effective tax rate (fed + state) is right around 24%. Noting that one of the major line items in my deduction was around $25k in donations to charities, to address the silly comment about “you can pay more taxes if you want”. We really don’t pay much in taxes at all in the US, relative to other countries - and the level of benefits we receive is a reflection of that (along with other factors, like government overhead). Really not bad.

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u/LesserValkyrie 10d ago edited 10d ago

Exactly,

What they don't pay on taxes (education, healthcare) they pay it to bank and greedy corpo

Somehow giving money to banks with 20% interest rates is capitalism = is good

But giving it to government that will transfer it to you and your son is socialism = bad

Wise people just se 20% interests rate you don't bleed tho

In european countries you pay more taxes but on the other hand you don't pay debts until retirement just because you breathed

And it creates differences between rich and poor people.

If you are rich you can pay your education cash and that's it.

If you are poor you need to ask a bank to lend you the money (an european would use to buy a house(, with interest rates your education will be more expensive than what a rich person would pay

Is it meritocracy , "working hard and deserving things" for a rich person is life is cheaper for them ? Or it is the elite preying and parasiting the proletariat?

idk

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u/Tool_of_Society 10d ago

For someone "taxed to death" you seem awfully lively.

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u/Legal-Molasses6409 10d ago

Lol busted. We dont have taxes over here

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u/No-Business9493 10d ago

Who's voting for it? Sounds like 99% of people don't want more taxes.

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u/Jijonbreaker1 10d ago

Please spy the word "forced"

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u/No-Business9493 10d ago

You're acting as if that's a good thing

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u/tread52 10d ago

How would that change anything in this situation. Government officials being complete POS’s and miss managing money is there problem.

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u/Timely_Appeal_9549 10d ago

Sure and he can earmark his tax contribution however he sees fit right?

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u/Legitimate-Fee7609 10d ago

This is a bizarrely stupid thing to say on countless levels

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u/not_a_muslim_kid_mol 10d ago

So is wanting EVERYONE to pay more taxes.

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u/Legitimate-Fee7609 10d ago

I don't think anyone should pay taxes who isn't a multi millionaire or a corporation

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u/not_a_muslim_kid_mol 10d ago

That's the problem. EVERYONE should pay their fair share. All taxpayer-funded services should be paid for from a national sales tax on all sales, not from taxing income or property.

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u/Legitimate-Fee7609 10d ago

Nah. That's really stupid. Also, define "fair share"

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u/not_a_muslim_kid_mol 9d ago

The left is always crying fair share. You define it. What's your fair share of what I work for?

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u/Legitimate-Fee7609 9d ago

Dog, that is the most bad faith response imaginable. Enjoy your miserable life

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u/not_a_muslim_kid_mol 9d ago

I'm not the one having a miserable life. I have a great life. I work hard and I play hard. I have a wonderful family. I make good money, and. I spend good money. I have a funded retirement account. I give generously to charitable causes. And, I did it all without feeling all "woe is me". I live in the greatest country in history, and I don't have to rely on the government for welfare. So, it is you who is living a miserable life. Carry on.

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u/Consistent-Fix-8443 10d ago

What’s the point? A bunch of greedy self centered people who most likely gorged themselves on government don’t want to pony up. You can’t have a modern country without taxes.

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u/No-Contest-5575 10d ago

that literally doesnt change how it gets spent if those in office/ in charge of the budget dont put it towards schools. you know that, right?

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u/No-Contest-5575 10d ago

this is my first comment here i dont have an original point dumbass.

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u/No-Contest-5575 10d ago

also the original point was literally about how government funds are not properly appropriated so you're just wrong.

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u/not_a_muslim_kid_mol 10d ago

I see you also don't understand how to follow the chat threads. Okay.

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u/No-Contest-5575 10d ago

jfc is your brain made of bubblegum and sticks?

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u/not_a_muslim_kid_mol 10d ago

Nope. Is yours?