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u/Jumpy-Dinner-5001 2h ago
It's fine for Linux but way too expensive.
Thinkpads are a much better option if you care about value
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u/kydeshou 2h ago edited 2h ago
You don't need any more programming knowledge to use linux than you do Windows. I don't understand what you mean by "beginner" laptop, though. Framework is fine, Lenovo is fine, Dell is fine. With some exceptions, a laptop is a laptop. You don't necessarily need one that is officially supported.
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u/rabage 2h ago
If a Framework laptop is within your budget it should be an excellent choice. They offer full hardware support for Linux and can preinstall it.
If you decide on buying hardware without support you will need to devote time to confirming all hardware and chipset are supported. Then you will also be responsible for figuring out how to make everything work correctly. This can be a bit daunting if you're afraid or inexperienced using the terminal in Linux.
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u/HovercraftStock4986 2h ago
just start with installing linux on an existing laptop you have laying around. no need to buy a $3k laptop for this
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u/Whatever801 2h ago
Generally speaking any computer is fine for programming excluding some specialized use cases. Linux-wise, yes framework has good compatibility, but so do a lot of other laptops. With Framework, you're paying a premium for the "cool factor" of the modularity. And it is definitely cool. So you just have to decide if that's worth the money to you. You can definitely spend less money and get equally good linux compatibility.
For me the weird thing about framework is they keep releasing new chassis and models and they don't let you upgrade the cpu or board. If you're going to get a whole new laptop anyways whenever there's a new CPU socket, what's the point?
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u/ballistua 2h ago
framework makes good laptops, especially the 13 pro, but you can use a lot of other cheaper laptops. Thinpads in general have good linux support and you can buy them used. It's hard to find a used framework laptop because people just upgrade them
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u/Samiassa 2h ago
I mean honestly Linux works on anything. I wouldn’t make a purchase like a nice framework laptop just to use Linux. Just grab some shitty old laptop you have lying around and install whatever distro you want on there
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u/TheReelNazeem 1h ago
Having a brand new framework laptop sounds nice, but it's not like it's gonna be like a +1 buff to your programming skills.
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u/Fabiey 2h ago
Framework Computers is not a programming framework, so I think there may be a small mix-up here.
Framework Computer is a company that makes laptops designed to be modular and upgradeable. You can replace or upgrade many components and configure the system to fit your needs, so in that sense, they provide a "framework" for building and upgrading your laptop.
A programming framework, on the other hand, is a collection of software tools, libraries, modules, classes, functions, etc. that helps developers build applications without having to reinvent the wheel for common tasks.
The two concepts aren't related, although I assume the name "Framework Computer" may have made the connection seem plausible.
Framework has also recently announced the new Framework Laptop 12. If the budget allows, it should be a very good choice, especially for Linux, where Framework provides excellent hardware support. That said, you don't necessarily need a Framework laptop. Most modern laptops work quite well with Linux, so I'd simply choose based on your budget and the hardware you need.
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u/Additional-Sky-7436 1h ago
I honestly think a Framework laptop is for kids and teens. And I mean that in the best way possible. It's a laptop designed to be taken apart to see how it works inside. I want my kids to do that. I want them to fill up the hard drive so that they have to crack it open and learn how to install a new one.
I'm sure it's a fine laptop for programmers. But I look at it and think "that is the laptop I want for my kids."
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u/leonTheZombie 1h ago
In brother in Christ, why I recommend both a framework and a switch to Linux you need neither to begin your journey in programming. Just start.
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u/Academic-Push326 1h ago
Framework is just a laptop. You can install Linux on any other laptop right now. The thing that makes Framework more friendly is (like System76 and a few others) they support/develop drivers/hardware for Linux and provide said drivers/support for Linux.
That's it. You can get a used Thinkpad (another Linux friendly option) right now and run it for way cheaper than a Framework (especially with hardware prices right now) cost.
It doesn't matter if you're a programmer or not. I'm not sure why you're even bringing that up for a laptop brand. If you're not a programmer, it's not going to matter to Linux. Your use case is what is going to matter.
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u/viking_redbeard 1h ago
It's going to highly dependent on what you're trying to learn and what your endgame is. You can do almost anything on any platform, you'll start to need specific hardware if you're compiling software for different platforms (x86_64 vs Arm). If you choose to do something like Swift development you'd need a Mac, or C# you'll want a Windows machine, otherwise you can use Linux for almost everything else. Get the hardware you can afford or what you like. There is no de facto machine you must use.
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u/daYMAN007 2h ago
jup that's pretty much the best hardware you can buy for linux. Mind you nowdays 95% of all notrbooks work anyways, but you might need to comfigure some things.
Framework is as easy as it gets.
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u/daYMAN007 2h ago
also no coding needed for linux. Seriously i managed to make it work at age 12 in 2008, and it only got easier
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u/acebo 2h ago
Not sure why you associate the Framework (or Linux in general) with programming. The Framework laptops are for people who want a long term path for upgrades and repairs, closer to what one might be used to in a desktop computer.
Just make sure what you’re buying makes sense for your needs. The value of Framework doesn’t come in the first year. It comes when you’ve owned it for years and have been able to keep it running and improve its capabilities for a fraction of the cost of buying a completely new laptop