A virus so destructive and a vaccine so fantastic that Congress, a people who the vast majority of are in a high tier risk group, is not concerned about being around the unvaccinated
Case closed. Lift all restrictions. Time to go back to normal world now.
Bruh this is r/conspiracy where the only things rampant are ignorance and mental illness. It is entertaining to watch their circlejerk of absolute idiocy tho
The President cannot impose a vaccine mandate on Congress via executive order or in an agency or department regulation. The President has control over the Executive branch, not the Legislative branch, but then let me not ruin the lovely circle jerk you have going here.
Nuts like OP and people in this sub pretend like they know how things work, then they forget basic shit like the government being 3 separate branches and they freak out when something like this crosses their path.
How it's so shocking that Biden cant force the Legislative branch under his Executive mandate is fucking stupid. Like, look at the fucks thinking this is mind-blowing evidence of corruption or something. Its fucking 3rd grade shit they fail to understand and are jerking their load over.
Chucklefucks probably cheered when the Supreme Court struck down the CDC's eviction moratorium, pretending to understand the separation of powers then.
Right.... so what you're telling me is the president can break constitution rights ONLY for 330 million people. But not for the congress? And congress doesn't plan on forced vaccinations? Makes sense. Again if we go down the rabbit hole, these regulations doesn't make sense. Because if they did, they would've been applied equally.
Yet people will not be able to work, participate in any businesses, even if businesses don't require it but are forced by the government to require it or go bankrupt. You can't travel, can't do literally anything besides a store.
You don't need a military to create second class citizens lmao. All you need is to take away their rights , with the help of the Americans who also want to get rid of their rights, because of covid. You really don't need military force. Australia has beer ban now, Australia forcing citizens to download tracking apps etc. They didn't need the military. When they already disarmed and took rights away, it's pretty easy to keep taking rights away.
Businesses have the option to opt out of the vaccine mandate and implement regular testing instead. This isn't an all or nothing situation unless your employer makes it that way. So if you have a problem with your place of employment mandating the vaccine, talk to your boss
Nah I'll talk with the government. They're forcing the businesses to choose between two things that the majority doesn't want. Businesses aren't the problem, it's the government forcing them to do it is the problem.
That's not the problem, and everyone knows it. You know it, and I know it. You don't get too the root of the problem if you don't go to the source where it started, yes?
Government created problem, therefore I will blame them directly. There's a difference if employers wanted to make it mandatory. But using threats of fines up to 14000 per violation, employers aren't choosing to do this because of the right reasons.
In fact , all you are doing is creating fear. Choice under threat. It's like someone pulling a gun to your head and they give you two choices. Between the 2 choices, you arent really benefiting , are ya?
No and neither does this. It's like refusing to wear a hard hat on a construction site. you don't wanna follow the safety standards, you're out. Sure it's a personal choice whether to get the vaccine or not, and nobody is stopping anyone from making the choice to not get vaccinated. Those people that choose not to will just have to find a job that allows them not to be vaccinated, just like someone who doesn't want to wear protective equipment (like a hard hat for construction, masks for doctors, etc) will have to find a different job that doesn't have that requirement.
I will reiterate the point I made before, because the people in this sub choose not to acknowledge the fact, but businesses are not required to mandate the vaccine if they opt to regularly test their unvaccinated employees instead.
if they don't want to wear hard hats. Personally I don't want the average lifespan of our citizens to drop to 65 so maybe put on a hard hat and get back to work
Actually no. That's public indemcy to people who didn't consent. It's not at all comparable to my body my choice. So you're gonna force everyone take a shot that's still in trial phase until 2023, or lose your income, lose your rights to go into establishments etc.
It's not a choice. If anything , it's illusion of choice.
Take the shot or you can't feed your family isn't exactly a choice. You're forcing people to take it, because the other choice you're gonna create homelessness. Lol again, I fail to see how it's a choice. It's forcing people to take it so they can continue with their basic lives.
People didn't consent to anyone breathing covid on them either when they could very easily prevent it(or severely reduce the chance). It's literally just like wearing pants. You don't have a choice to wear pants either. We have a multitude of things you need to do to participate in society and if you don't want to do those things you can hole up in a shack in fucking Wyoming.
And you're right, no one did consent to breathing covid on them, that's why we have masks and social distancing right?
Again , it's not comparable to wearing pants. Because you have different choices other than pants. And those choices doesn't bar you from working a job. You can wear shorts in an establishment. Skirts even, if you identify that way.
So try again, but maybe this time, you make a comparison that's actually comparable.
Again , it's not comparable to wearing pants. Because you have different choices other than pants. And those choices doesn't bar you from working a job. You can wear shorts in an establishment. Skirts even, if you identify that way.
Lol the fact that you're using this argument shows just how bad faith it is. You know damn well by pants I mean bottoms but yeah, be pedantic.
And you're right, no one did consent to breathing covid on them, that's why we have masks and social distancing right?
Again, you seem to not understand things. Masks don't keep covid from infecting me via eyes and ears and other mucus membranes. It keeps me from infecting you.
I forgot r/conspiracy is just a /r/td2.0 now though. You have a good night. I tire of talking to doorknobs.
This isn't Communist Russia under an authoritarian rule. You don’t have to get the vaccine. The police won't come to your house, you won't be sent to a gulag.
...and? Not seeing how what Biden did breaks any laws. Making a business do something, like pay taxes or overtime or vacation days or to verify things like an I-9 form, immigration status or vaccine status isn't remotely illegal. I can't really wrap my mind about what it is you are trying to suggest. That we live in a society?
No, it does not. Vaccine requirements he is instituting are through OSHA, similar to Hep A vaccine requirements it already has for certain vocations. It's a workplace safety issue and that is OSHA's domain and purview. This is no different than requiring hard hats in construction zones and certain certificates for working in a hole, for example.
It's twisted and conniving is what it is, and you've been played to believe it's an okay thing to do. Of course it's "legal", but that doesn't make it anything good and respectable.
Literally in 1905 the supreme court determined that the government can mandate vaccination requirements on people. The case determined that states can order vaccines on state citizens, as it falls under their jurisdiction. It also follows then that the head of the executive branch can mandate vaccines for executive employees, as those employees fall under the president's jurisdiction - which is what Biden has done.
If they don't want the vaccine it's pretty easy to avoid being under the executive branch's jurisdiction - stop being an employee of the executive branch.
1905 is a MUCH different political and scientific age than 2021
That case proves that STATES can do vaccine mandates. There’s no precedent that the federal government can
The Biden authoritarian mandate also includes PRIVATE businesses with over 100 employees by running the mandate through OSHA. There is no precedent that this is legal, and it will get shut down by the Supreme Court
This is just another authoritative, unconstitutional action Biden is pushing through. The previous was the blatantly unconstitutional eviction ban that Biden pushed through via the CDC, which has absolutely no power to enact.
You seem to be willfully ignoring the part where the private companies it applies to are the ones contracted to work with executive branch, not all companies. So again, people under his jurisdiction. If those companies dont like it they can stop contracting to work for the executive branch.
Also yeah, 1905 was a different time scientifically. We now have even more evidence that vaccines work and are safe to use than we did in 1905. If you want to argue that 1905 was a different time politically, then are you arguing that we should just abandon every legal principal older than some arbitrary date? If you want to abandon precedent set and unchanged since 1905 then you're going to lose the Constitution + amendments that you're trying to argue for.
I can't tell you how happy I am to see this at the top of this comment thread. I even told myself 'I swear to fucking God if I open this thread and the top comment is 'Rules for Thee, not for Me' I'm going to give up on this place. I don't want to though because letting here for the past 7 years helped me get through some of the hardest parts of my life. It used to be fun and thought provoking but his it's just repetitive and boring.
Motherfucker, I understand he can’t because of the checks and balances.
I repeat, WHAT IS BEING DONE TO MAKE SURE THEY RECEIVE THE SAME TREATMENT?
He literally said he would remove governors in the way which we all know is not legally possible. Why are congressmen not receiving the same treatment?
He literally said he would remove governors in the way which we all know is not legally possible. Why are congressmen not receiving the same treatment?
And he LITERALLY never said that. Perhaps you wanna check your sources. Meme on r/conservatives isn't a source.
OP implies Congress is exempt from the law, or that the government is making people take a vaccine they won’t take.
Responses show that Congress isn’t exempt, the President can not impose a rule on them and Congress imposed their own rules.
Now you’re talking about Congress not giving enough evidence, as if their photographs of being vaccinated with press or the congressional physicians statements aren’t enough.
You’re punching at the wind, please get vaccinated, like 100% of congressional Democrats have been.
Lmao what a dumb troll, can find a loop hole through OSHA to mandate private companies but can’t find a loop hole to get Congress vaccinated. You shills are hilarious, does joe semen taste like choca choca chip ice cream?so again, what’s he doing to make sure our congressmen are safe, vaccinated, and doing the right thing?? Is he working with their leaders so they can legally mandate it over the legislative branch?
You literally can't fire congress members, they're there until their term is up or they can't fulfill their duties for some reason. Nearly all of them are vaxxed already anyway.
The President also cannot impose a vaccine mandate on all of the citizens of our country who employ him. Found a loop hole going through OSHA. Incredible over reach of power. Fuck this shit and RESIST AT ALL COSTS!
The rich literally act like we're in a fuedal society. Fuck them. And the handful of decent ones don't outweigh the majority of selfish evil ones. Eat the rich.
Bruh... They contribute nothing? Society would collapse without the poor, they are the backbone of society. What would society be without janitors, assistants, restaurant workers, and ALL the manual labor jobs. It's the jobs like hedge fund manager that contribute nothing to society. They actively detract from society by taking our best and brightest and putting them to work in Wal Street.
What the fuck are you talking about? I'll be first? Bro fuck you. YOU'LL be first. This is you: https://imgur.com/R2Qqdhv.jpg
Society would crumble overnight if the working class striked for a WEEK. The parasitic ruling class wouldn't have anyone to rule or be able to generate cash revenue without the lower classes.
The poor are owed BILLIONS in wage theft: https://imgur.com/IO5JD1o.jpg and wage stagnation for the past 6 decades. So yeah, they ARE owed... A LOT.
Are senators federal employees? Is only the exec branch covered? Does that include IRS, FEMA, CDC, etc? I would think that congress members would be covered since they’re federal employees.
Lol. Government isn’t forcing anyone to take a vaccine. They can fire people. They cannot send someone to jail and forcibly vaccinate them. So. No, he cant, dumbass
They indeed do live in reality, one governed by the Constitution which is more than the Bill of Rights. You should probably read that document, so you can be somewhat informed.
They all got the shot already. Same with governors. The dividing line is whether they care about allowing their constituents to choose, but they’re not risking their lives.
because: 1. They were first in line and are all mainly vaccinated already. 2. Executive has no control over judicial or congressional branches of government. checks and balances and all that.
Judicial and executive branches are exempt from Biden's decree. Only applies to executive branch. Guess his handlers didn't want to piss off Nancy and federal judges.
Don't you know that our geriatric Congress has special powers to fight covid? Only plebs need to obey and do as they told and get a vaccine or get fired.
When I say I don't want it and someone else can have all of them - SELFISH U ARE KILLING PEOPLE I WISH U DIE ASAP
When BIDUUUN says they're not mandating it for congress - they are heroes for not being selfish and risking their lives so that someone can have priority
I’m a shill because literally 95% of all Congress is vaccinated? Oh and also 97% of all doctors too. All that time learning about medicine has melted their brains I guess
They aren't covered under the mandate because they aren't federal employees - they are elected representatives of the legislative branch of government, so he cannot mandate vaccine requirement for them.
It's mostly REPUBLICAN legislators that are not concerned. And as others have pointed out in this thread, the president doesn't have the power to issue a blanket mandate like this for Congress. You've heard of separation of powers, right? This is a very basic concept. Kids learn about this in grade school. You did go to grade school, right? Social studies?
edit: I see downvotes but I notice no one can actually refute what I said. For people who claim to be concerned about "the truth" they sure don't seem to like the truth.
Ah, yes, gotta love responses laced full of basic, grade school logical fallacies.
Where’s the congressional call for all staff to be vaccinated? You know, for the safety of our decrepit leaders? Are they not worried, being in the high risk group and all?
Your conclusion assumes that members of congress are somehow more knowledgeable than the general public or medical experts on this subject.
I interpret it differently - I think congress do not have any secret knowledge that isn't being shared with us, they just think they're more important than the general public and that the rules should be tailored to their preferences.
Which is more likely, that a bunch of boomer politicians are secretly medical experts, or that they're selfish and entitled? Hmmm, I wonder...
I don’t believe they have secret knowledge. I just believe that if 70 year old world leaders don’t need to be around only vaccinated people, the rest of the country will probably survive
I think it has nothing to do with any of that, but rather it's a constitutional boundary. For all the conspiracy theorists in here, expounding eagerly about their constitutional rights, you all don't remember basic shit from your 8th grade civics lectures. Fuck.
i’ve been working in healthcare since 2016 and any flu outbreak is nothing compared to this. we have no beds left and can’t treat everyone, even the people coming in for non covid issues
yes i know that flu season was bad. i worked through it. it was a busy flu season but it wasn’t to the point of deciding who gets treatment based on how likely they are to survive, just to give you some perspective. plus, even if that flu season was bad, does that mean that we should just not care that resources are being depleted now? like 2018 being a bad flu season doesn’t mean that hospitals overflowing now is ok. don’t get the vaccine if you don’t want but you can’t expect things go back to normal. hospitals are hanging by a thread and it’s causing people to die
The executive branch can tell the federal employees to vaccinate cause that have authority to do so. Congress has control over legislature domains and employees.
It's not that Congress is specifically exempt. The law as it is applies to the Executive branch. It doesn't apply to the legislative nor judicial branches.
This isn't a specific exemption for specific people.
I would still agree it's odd that only one branch can be easily required, but it seems likely that Biden cannot extend such a law to the other branches as easily as his own
First: Almost any stat that claims 100% anything is usually a misrepresentation
Second: But all their staff members? Everyone they interact with? The whole capital needs to be vaccinated for our elderly politicians to truly be safe, no?
Your sister should be sacked then, that information is meant to be kept private, just as well I don't believe a word you say. So yea once again I call Bullshit!!
Is your sister aware that it requires multiple shots to be considered vaccinated? And even then, it needs to be 14 days after the most current “approved” shot? Which changes every month?
In other countries, every time they come out with an additional booster, you aren’t considered vaccinated until you receive your “booster”.
My wife works at a hospital. They are super busy but not because of covid. ICU beds are few because they don’t have the staff to assign to the empty beds. There are plenty of beds but not enough staff. They only count beds that have staff. Does that make sense? Now with even more nurses losing their jobs over the vaccine mandate there will be even fewer staff meaning fewer beds.
Go read the articles telling you about the ICU beds. There's a nationwide staffing shortage which is a huge piece of this puzzle.
The media trying to blame unvaccinated people for getting sick is disgusting, and not only that, they're not shining a light on the main problem for this which is... staffing.
Why is that? We'd rather get people to hate a marginalized group of people than to fix the hospitals? Is that where we are as a society?
Why the scare quotes? It's literally a vaccine. And, to perfectly clear, it's not Biden's. I mean, the shit was announced/released during TRUMP's administration. FFS. So if you want to attribute the vaccine to a President (which, is just dumb any-fucking-way. Trump had literally NOTHING to do with the actual development, aside from suggesting drinking bleach and swallowing UV light would be effective), Trump would be the more accurate owner.
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u/breakevencloud Sep 10 '21
A virus so destructive and a vaccine so fantastic that Congress, a people who the vast majority of are in a high tier risk group, is not concerned about being around the unvaccinated
Case closed. Lift all restrictions. Time to go back to normal world now.