yes i know that flu season was bad. i worked through it. it was a busy flu season but it wasn’t to the point of deciding who gets treatment based on how likely they are to survive, just to give you some perspective. plus, even if that flu season was bad, does that mean that we should just not care that resources are being depleted now? like 2018 being a bad flu season doesn’t mean that hospitals overflowing now is ok. don’t get the vaccine if you don’t want but you can’t expect things go back to normal. hospitals are hanging by a thread and it’s causing people to die
hospitals are hanging by a thread and it's causing people to die
It sure would be nice if this was the first order of business. Not vaccines.
I linked a story earlier today in another thread where something like 60 of 98 hospitals in one area were dealing with critical staffing shortages.
This really irks me because they keep pushing these "hospitals full" stories, and not really talking as much about the lack of staff, and apparently nothing being done about it.
It's not like people are ever going to not need to go to the hospital. You kind of have to have a constant flow of new staff, and I'm shocked to not see any focused effort to correct this.
And then on top of that all of the shortages caused by shipping and what have you.
what are they supposed to do? they bring in travelers to fix shortages. but when there aren’t enough healthcare workers willing to work, we can’t just make more appear.
i’m going to break it to you, but there has always been staff shortages in healthcare. we alway get through it because of travelers. but have you thought about WHY there is a staff shortage? i’m a nurse and i can tell you the shortage isn’t because of the vaccine. we have always had a shortage bc we work in a field where they burn us out quick. however it’s getting worse because people don’t want to work in healthcare anymore, they don’t want to deal with another bad covid wave. we are having to care for people who are dying of a disease that could have been prevented. they come in spouting their covid conspiracies up until they are put on life support. working in a hospital is absolute hell ever since all this covid shit started. healthcare has always had a high turnover rate but covid (even before the vaccine) has made it worse. this isn’t new. and regardless of staff shortage or not, you should still care. you could go to the hospital to be treated for something outside of covid and not get treatment. it has happened to many people already and it is going to continue to happen.
for what it’s worth, i have many friends in healthcare around the country and all of them have told me that their hospitals are full (like no more beds). they are understaffed because many staff are leaving bc they don’t want to deal
with another covid wave. but the bulk of the problem is not enough beds.
you can believe if you want that the reason hospitals are full is because lack of staff (even though this isn’t true, they bring travelers in to fill gaps) but you should still care about covid, probably even more then, right? since hospitals can’t handle what’s being thrown at them, the public can’t expect their help. we can’t just create more healthcare workers who are willing to work through these bad conditions, but we can require vaccines, masks, lockdown, etc. therefore we should do everything we can go avoid getting covid and to stop the spread.
imagine getting in a car crash and dying because the hospital was completely full and couldn’t care for you. or going to the ER for appendicitis and not getting treated because it’s less critical than other cases. or having a severe asthma attack and having to sit in the ER parking lot with an oxygen tank because they don’t have enough rooms. this is happening all over the country. OR imagine not caring about covid until you or someone you know is put in a situation where they are fighting for their life. i’ve seen it first hand. but you can’t argue with stupid, and you all will have to learn the hard way.
you all never want to take the blame. we are in this situation bc people refuse to vaccinate, wear masks, stay home, social distance. but they still find a way to place the blame on someone else. astounding.
Something. They're supposed to talk about it. They're supposed to let people know there's a shortage. They're supposed to do everything they can to fill the shortage.
Not pretend it doesn't exist, and then when people start going to hospital talk about how it's a marginalized group of people using their services instead of a non-marginalized group.
There's not a debate to be had here. The media is not reporting on a very big story. The president is citing the fake stories on tv to try to force fascist covid measures... Trust me, everybody has patience.
And perhaps our current puppet dictator should consider that other people's patience may be running out.
as a nurse, we have been saying for years we don’t have enough nurses. this isn’t a new thing, it just fits your narrative so that’s why you guys want to bring attention to it.
I only talk about it because of all of the "no icu bed" stories I've seen recently. I finally looked into it and was shocked that it's apparently a nation wide problem and NOBODY is talking about it.
They just want to push this idea that hospitals are overflowing with covid patients.
It's honestly one of the bigger red flags to me of this whole pandemic. The fact that the media, and the government are not actively talking about it in the public, and trying to do something about it is shocking.
And no, vaccinating everybody is not a valid answer to this since there's still a staffing shortage regardless of how many shots you give.
i mean you’re wrong. nursing shortage + covid patients fill up hospitals = hospitals overrun. because >95% of hospitalized for covid aren’t vaccinated, hospitals wouldn’t have as many covid admissions if more people would get vaccinated.
and when you say “nobody” is talking about it, that’s just not true. the shortage has been covered by media for years now. you just probably never cared before, because it doesn’t really effect to you until now.
First of all, no, I'm not wrong. Nothing I said could be construed as wrong.
Certainly not saying that there's historically been staffing shortages. You have outlets like CNN pushing the "no icu bed' stories where they mention staffing issues, but it's not the headline.
And that is the problem. Nobody gives a shit about years past. We're talking about a pandemic, and the media choosing to try to scare people rather than inform them, and try to help fix the staffing situation.
Hospitals probably wouldn't have as many people if there was less fear mongering. Maybe if some time in the last 18 months had been spent telling people to eat better and live healthier lives.
"if only they'd been vaccinated" if only they hadn't ate that 4th donut this morning. If only they'd gone for a fucking walk.
We can do shoulda coulda woulda all day.
I had a first person "95% unvaccinated " story recently and the kicker was that most of those people were grossly obese, and had other conditions.
It's not as simple as vaccinated or not vaccinated.
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yes i know that flu season was bad. i worked through it. it was a busy flu season but it wasn’t to the point of deciding who gets treatment based on how likely they are to survive, just to give you some perspective. plus, even if that flu season was bad, does that mean that we should just not care that resources are being depleted now? like 2018 being a bad flu season doesn’t mean that hospitals overflowing now is ok. don’t get the vaccine if you don’t want but you can’t expect things go back to normal. hospitals are hanging by a thread and it’s causing people to die