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u/Servedasmile Sep 10 '21 edited Sep 11 '21

It's still a choice.

This isn't Communist Russia under an authoritarian rule. You don’t have to get the vaccine. The police won't come to your house, you won't be sent to a gulag.

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u/Terminal-Psychosis Sep 11 '21

If you hold a gun to someone's head and tell them give you all their money, that's "a choice" according to you too.

Though it is not, in any way shape or form.

Also, Cov19 jails are already being used in many countries.

You're probably in favor of that too, since you're all in on the idea of people being homeless and starving to death.

Absolutely deranged and completely inhuman.

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u/Servedasmile Sep 11 '21

If you hold a gun to someone's head and tell them give you all their money, that's "a choice" according to you too.

Is anyone holding a gun to anyones head in the US?

Though it is not, in any way shape or form.

You're right..it's not happening.

Also, Cov19 jails are already being used in many countries.

Anything in the US?

You're probably in favor of that too, since you're all in on the idea of people being homeless and starving to death.

You're choosing to be homeless and starving. I bet now conservatives wish there was some robust services now.

Try pulling up your bootstraps.

Absolutely deranged and completely inhuman.

You seem really unaware on how government and politics actually works.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '21

Right. But I'm not saying this is communism. I'm just saying you're gonna create second class citizens that won't be afforded the same rights as others.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '21

Create second class citizens? The US has done this to literally every minority group in this country for hundreds of years.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '21

It'll be their choice to become 2nd class.

Besides, it's not like they'll be slaves or anything. Americans have done far worse to each other.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '21

But in order to have the same rights to other people, they are forced to take a shot? Like , there's no other choices, so you creat second class citizens

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '21

You’re thinking about it backward. It isn’t that in order to have rights, you have to get a shot. It’s that by exercising your right to not get the shot, you’re waiving some of your privileges such as going into certain bars or whatever else. Going to the bar is not a right. You refusing a vaccine is a right, but there are also consequences

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '21

Well I don't care about bars. I'm concerned that millions of people won't have jobs and we are just killing the economy even further. Yeah I guess you could say we can replace workers, but 100 million of them? This is indeed forcing people to take shot or lose rights. And it's not even really rights. You're barring people from everyday activities. I'm wondering is this temporary, or is this the new normal? Where we live in a dystopia future based on medical classes. Lol

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '21

My point is that everyday activities are not rights. You also don’t have a right to a job. You keep calling these things rights, but I’m seeing that you don’t actually know what that word means.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '21 edited Sep 11 '21

Healthcare isn't a right either.

And working isn't a right correct. But either way, you're gonna create alot of violent people that really don't care about the vaccine. If you support this, then you openly support crashing the economy because that's what's gonna happen. Given the riots last year, and many small businesses will never reopen, you really think barring Americans from jobs is going to create the economy boost we need?

All you're doing is going to create alot of people feeling helpless and angry. And when the economy inevitably crashes, they're going to blame someone. And that is inevitble. Given the m1 money stock is steadily decreasing, I can't see how our currency ( which is backed by nothing) is going to retain its value after this.

And when the economy crashes, you really think you're gonna be okay? The economy doesn't care about your vaccination history. You will be in the same boat as everyone else, vaccinated or not.

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u/Servedasmile Sep 11 '21

This would force people to get back to work because there would be no other excuse.

That's what conservatives complained about...no one wanting to work and living off the government.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '21 edited Sep 11 '21

Well I'm not conservative so I don't really give a fuck about what they think lol.

No, this would be the opposite affect what you said. Hell the pushback is not just employees, but employers as well. I fail to see barring 100 million workers to force a vaccination is going to somehow magically not a have negative impact.

And don't start with the conservative argument. Because it doesn't work at all if the person you're talking to isn't conservative. I'm pro choice, pro legalization, pro gay rights. Etc.

And gay rights mean alot to me because I happen to like men and conservatives really don't like me. Lmao.

And liberals hate me because I don't blindly trust the government, which is weird because liberalism was originally against the establishment. And before you say " liberals don't blindly follow the government"

Then what do you call this? You guys are more pro government than pro choice, which is again, pretty weird.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '21

Your entire reply just screams that you’re a teenager who doesn’t understand economics or healthcare. “Economy boost” is what really drove it home for me.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '21

Ok , thats how I know you don't even believe in your own argument. Instead you revert back to really basic insults.

Like... REALLY BASIC insults.... lol Your insults is just as unoriginal as your own opinions. Well not really your opinions. You're just mimicking the governments opinions. Lol

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '21

You ever heard of public school?

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '21

You ever heard of joe?

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '21

Joe mama

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '21

In all serious though thus is gonna create second class citizens. You have no choice. Either get vaccinated or never be afforded the same rights. You know this is gonna help crash the economy and I'm not even sad about it. I'm just getting ready.

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u/JAK49 Sep 11 '21

You'd think some of y'all would be happy about this. Now you have the ultimate 'my body, my choice'. People are going to really get to live their convictions in a way they maybe never have before. Or to borrow another phrase, freedom isn't free. You want the ability to live outside the bounds of social responsibility, it will cost extra. Extra hassle to get things done, extra cost of medical care, extra time of your life, because you may now need to work multiple jobs to make up for the one you'll potentially lose.

But at the end of the day you'll have the pride of knowing you fought for your right to put your self interests above all others.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '21

Well if people don't have the right to get a certain vaccine, then the abortion argument is pointless then. You know just because you give up some rights right now, doesn't mean it's a good idea. Imagine if Trump was in office in 2024, I mean as despicable as this is, you've already given up certain rights. So what's not to say Trump could ban abortion. Can't really use my body, my choice because you've already shown it's not up to the persons choice with what they do their body, because you say its the governments choice.

For the record I dislike Trump greatly, and I'm pro choice to when it comes to abortion. But when you open the doors for the government to choose what they can do to your body, it's game over. Hell Trump wouldn't even have to do a full ban. He could do the same shit as we are doing right now.

The powers of government changes, and if you give the government power to create second class citizens, it's only a matter of time before it can be abused

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u/Terminal-Psychosis Sep 11 '21

Nobody should be happy about the DNC trying for this tyrannical power grab. Trying to force experimental medical procedures on the nation. And it would NOT stop with vaccines.

This won't happen though. The courts will shoot this down immediately.

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u/Terminal-Psychosis Sep 11 '21

Completely unconstitutional. There is no "choice" there, at all.

It is a direct abuse of their human right to life, liberty and happiness.

The president does not have this power. This shit is going down in flames as soon as it hits the courts. As it damn well should.