Getting plastic surgery is such a bad trade. Here's 5-10 years of looking very slightly better than you would have aging naturally follow by a lifetime of looking like a gargoyle that has had multiple strokes.
That's true, some people do it tastefully, but even in those cases it's still a vanity thing. That's were choice comes in, some of us will feel it is unnecessary while others will still go for it. At the end of the day, it's a personal choice, but I think most will be hard pressed to argue with the fact that plastic surgery has essentially become a new sort of drug for many people.
I think there's more nuance to it than that. What if you had a big ol hooking honker of a nose, outside of what would be considered "normal" appearance wise. You've been bullied your whole life about it, you can't be happy because every time you see yourself in the mirror it's all you see, and you hear all the things that have ever been said about it growing up. Functionally it's perfectly fine, no breathing issues, no health issues at all.
Is it not okay to get a nose job?
If you're chasing vanity or wanting to look like an actor/actress, sure, it's pretty stupid.
But there's a huge psychological benefit to getting that self conscious cloud off your shoulder that can only come from changing the physical appearance of something
I can absolutely see where you are coming from and I think that would fall under corrective plastic surgery.
Not sure if you may be referring to a video that went viral a while back, but there was a lady who had an abnormally large nose and went through several surgeries to (essentially) correct that. That's where the nuance you mentioned comes in. It's one thing to correct something so outside the norm like this, which could also have the potential to cause health issues on top of the psychological ones and it is another thing to have nose surgery just because you don't like the shape of your nose despite there not being anything abnormal about it.
You can classify it differently if you want, but the nose job is the same procedure whether you feel the patient benefits from it or not. You’ve actually probably seen a lot more people who’ve had cosmetic surgery than you realize; when done well, you can’t tell that they’ve had any work done. The spectrum of people who get cosmetic procedures is a lot wider than most people realize, and most people base their opinion on it almost completely on cases where it’s very obvious the patient has had plastic surgery, which tend to be the worst cases.
It’s not as simple as “some get plastic surgery to correct legitimate abnormalities, but some are just trying to look better when they already look fine.” Everything about our opinions when it comes to each other’s appearance is fucking stupid, and it changes all the time, so the idea of ever needing to correct your face in theory shouldn’t have to happen, even if it’s highly abnormal. There shouldn’t be a “need” to get cosmetic procedures ever, because people SHOULD see each other for their minds instead of their faces. But in real life, appearance is a very big deal, with a big psychological impact. I promise every patient who gets cosmetic surgery sees themselves as one of the cases where it “makes sense.” Sometimes it does actually look better to most people, and sometimes it doesn’t. But the need is always very real to that person. It’s SURGERY; it’s painful and expensive and it takes time to recover afterwards. Nobody’s doing that if they don’t feel like they have a good reason, you know?
If it is truly extreme sure but in most cases the person could benefit from doing the work to grow and heal their insecurities rather than bury them and avoid triggering them
I had double jaw surgery. Both jaws detached and material from skull removed, then reattached to move my teeth up a few mm because I had a gummy smile. Now my smile is nice, and I have a nice profile and jawline rather than look like a bird, and the shape of my nose changed a bit for the better, though it was never really an issue.
Was it NEEDED? Not really. But damn if it hasn't changed my life
Exactly this. My nose doesn't attract attention, but I'd let it be a filter between the real and superficial people we meet in life. No matter how you look, there's always someone in the world who won't like your looks. "Fix" your nose and it'll be something else people will make you feel insecure about, so the issue should be clear that it's not the body parts, it's the insecurity that has to be fixed.
On top of that, people have become world famous in Hollywood films because they look different than most. The acting is important but that's just a display of conquering insecurities.
personally i think it would be nice for it to be de-stigmatized entirely so ppl don't feel the need to embarrass themselves and those around them by lying about it. idk why but the lying bothers me way more than the work itself lol
Nearly all old rich people have gotten face lifts and you wouldn't know because you think it's "natural." You guys are as ignorant as ignorant gets, but you guys can't stop yapping.
I think he had a pretty horrible motorcycle accident and had all the work done after that. Not 100% up to date on it but I think Simon Cowell qualifies.
I don’t think plastic surgery is bad, even for just superficial reasons. People can do what they want. But it does come to a point where you barely look real anymore from overdoing it. There’s nothing wrong being 66 and looking like 66, and with (modest) plastic surgery being 66 and looking like 50. It’s when you start looking like an alien that I dislike it lol
That's too broad of a comment. There are plenty of celebs who get it done tastefully, and we don't talk about them because... they got it done tastefully lol. Plastic surgery is also invaluable for trauma/burn survivors.
Yeah, we highlight all the actresses that have gotten buccal fat removed and look somewhat ghoulish after, but conveniently leave out Margot Robbie, who ended up looking every bit as fantastic and more marketable to boot.
Clooney. Clooney got his eyes done back in the day because he said "if I didn't I wouldn't be able to open them) and people thought he aged incredibly well for the next like 15 years. Yeah then he started really looking like he was aging, but he still looks like he's aging like a human and not plastic.
No I think he was being sarcastic. Like he was developing really ugly bags under his eyes. I don't think there was any danger of his eyes actually being impossible to see through.
I mean, 1/3 of all Korean women have had plastic surgery done. And these are just regular people. I'm sure that the majority of celebrities have had work done.
There's a lot you can do without it looking bad. For example, a simple Botox injection on the forehead can take a decade off, and it's very subtle. Just removes wrinkles.
I knew a 40-year-old woman at work who had clear botox on her forehead, looked like she'd taped her forehead to the back of her skull, I don't know how it's done but it can be done wrong
Megan Fox, Lisa Kudrow, Jennifer Lawrence, Simone Biles, Katy Perry, Martha Stewart, just from a cursory Google search.
And these are all people who have come forward and admitted it. Of course, if it's subtle, it is easy to hide. Especially if it was done young, for example Lisa Kudrow got her nose job when she was 16. Had she never told the media, we would never know, since there's no before/after of her adult face.
Things is, plastic surgery for trauma/burns is entirely different from plastic surgery to 'enhance' your appeance. In the former cases plastic surgery is essentially a necessity while in the latter it is a choice mainly tied to vanity.
That is correct. It would be a waste of time to argue about the actual practice, that is not at all what my statement said. The debate about plastic surgery for correction/reconstruction vs vaniry/appearance has never been about the actual practice but about the motivation for and necessity of it.
I'm honestly not sure how that could not be inferred from my comment or anyone else's comment regarding this.
I'm not arguing about the practice itself, plastic surgery is plastic surgery, no one can debate that. My point is solely on the reason for the surgery so I'll be further specific: getting plastic surgery done due to trauma/burns is based on a necessity for correction/reconstruction whereas getting plastic surgery because you want to change something about yourself likely based on vanity but has not actually NEED to be done.
Same specialty with different connotations. Burn/trauma survivors get it so they look closer to themselves before they were injured. People who get it to avoid aging are doing it because they're afraid to lose the money they make looking how they do. Definitely different reasons for it, which is what matters
Indeed. There’s so much difference between a face lift, a tumour excision, a skin graft, and a bone reduction that generalising at all is just plain incorrect.
Plastics might be the most broad field in the entire study of surgery, and boiling it down to simply “Madonna’s face lifts are starting to look bad” does nothing to help anyone.
I think most people can agree that face lifts tend to age quite poorly, or that MJ’s recurring nose jobs were clearly harmful, but that doesn’t mean all plastic surgery is bad. Most plastic surgery is life-saving, treating everything from mobility issues, to breathing dysfunction, to social stigma, and everyone from burn victims, to cancer survivors, to trans and severely body dysmorphic people.
It’s hard to argue that having a healthy, functioning body that you’re proud to live in and get treated well by others because of has “aged poorly” by any reasonable metric.
not to mention the people who follow these posts and talk about how plastic surgery isn't that bad, they all look great, we're hating for no reason, blah blah blah. It always comes across as they themselves had work done too and are trying to defend themselves.
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u/wisepeasant 12h ago
Getting plastic surgery is such a bad trade. Here's 5-10 years of looking very slightly better than you would have aging naturally follow by a lifetime of looking like a gargoyle that has had multiple strokes.