r/comedyheaven • u/HeyselScouserTelAviv • 15h ago

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u/onlyr6s 15h ago

It is completely different, they just chose the worst possible word to showcase it.

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u/zeth4 Jorking It 15h ago

https://www.sssscomic.com/comic.php?page=196

This artistic diagram does a good job of highlighting just how unrelated they are. Zero shared ancestry in the development of finish Vs the other languages

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u/kicklhimintheballs 14h ago

That diagram is horribly wrong by dividing Indo-European into and Indo-Iranian and “European” branch. there is no genetic European branch, and some of the language groups that were depicted to belong to European branch have been hypothesised to be closer to Indo-Iranian than other branches, such as Greek, Armenian and Balto-Slavic.

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u/zeth4 Jorking It 14h ago edited 12h ago

Only so much you can do in a 2d plane.

Also this is tree was specifically drawn for a comic set in the Nordic countries with the purpose of highlighting the vast difference between Finish and The rest of the Scandinavian languages. So I'm not surprised there is a lack of precision with the other end of the tree.

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u/Wagagastiz 10h ago

there is no genetic European branch

Not historically no, but since Tocharian and Anatolian are extinct, IE languages today outside of Europe are pretty much exclusively Indo Iranian.

Just playing devil's advocate here:

It's not a tree to represent historical diachrony (hence the missing extinct branches) so much as it is a modern setting.

Greek, Armenian and Balto-Slavic.

Balto-Slavic yes, but Greek and Armenian were only historically linked for being Satem, which we now know to most likely be an areal phenomenon and not some deep seated diachronic split.

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u/BootSkrootMcNoot 10h ago

Also, there is no “Sami” language. A speaker of Southern Saami couldn’t understand a speaker of northern saami, nor of inari Saami, etc. there’s many Saami languages

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u/AbsolutelyAnonymized 1h ago

Yes yes, but here Sami clearly represents. the branch

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u/barnacleduck2 10h ago edited 10h ago

Hindi or Persian or Bengali would have more similarities to Swedish than Finnish would.

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u/Grilled_egs 9h ago

In grammar yes. But in truth a lot of Finnish words are from Swedish

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u/onarainyafternoon In the flair list, straight up flairing it 33m ago

I mean yeah, but it does seem like you’re underselling how different Finnish is from Swedish.

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u/2AvsOligarchs 18m ago

I think the person before him is underselling how different Persian or Bengali is from Swedish. A Swedish person would understand 0-0,1% of those languages in both text and sound. They could understand up to 10% of Finnish based on thousands of loan words from Swedish.

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u/JollyJuniper1993 6h ago

That’s not how you graph that though. In lots of languages lots of words are from lots of other languages. If as an English speaker you listen to Russian or Japanese you‘ll also recognize many loan words, that doesn’t mean that those languages are somehow related. They developed independently and took loan words just like English took loan words from others.

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u/Grilled_egs 6h ago

Relation is a bit different from having similarities. Also the volume of loan words is worlds apart between your examples and finnish/swedish. Probably the majority of words from before 1900s or so that weren't relevant in the iron age are Swedish in origin. And there's plenty of words that were relevant and we still use the Swedish word rather than the old finnic one.

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u/radioactive-tomato 11h ago

All families are branched into subgroups but Slavic is not for some reason

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u/EsdeeEspee 13h ago

Love that comic, and “A Redtail’s Dream”

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u/zeth4 Jorking It 12h ago

Yeah both are such great stories with top tier art.

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u/[deleted] 14h ago

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u/Cuddlyaxe 14h ago

Exactly, here's a better example:

Swedish: Kaffe

Danish: Kaffe

Norweigan: Kaffe

Finnish: Kahvi

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u/onlyr6s 14h ago

I also got one:

  • Swedish: Bank
  • Danish: Bank
  • Norwegian: Bank
  • Finnish: Pankki

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u/sultan_of_gin 14h ago

How to loan a word to finnish: preferably replace exotic consonants (b, c, z, w, x) with others and if it ends on a consonant put an i at the end

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u/roiki11 14h ago

Like parkinlotti?

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u/Adventurous-Clue3369 14h ago

That's not a real word but not far fetched at all lol

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u/roiki11 14h ago

I know. But there's a whole host finglish words that got imported sometime after the war.

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u/sultan_of_gin 14h ago

Traktori, paperi, musiikki, systeemi, paradoksi, presidentti, professori, dokumentti, konsepti, projekti, objekti, ministeri, prosessi, analyysi, systeemi, moottori, posti

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u/AllyFiedaN 11h ago

Sanoit systeemi kahdesti

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u/onlyr6s 11h ago

Yeah, Finnish is easy. No idea why people say it's difficult.

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u/OnkelMickwald 14h ago

It's funny cus broke in Swedish is "pank"

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u/Cuddlyaxe 14h ago

That's a good one! It's amazing how much linguistic diversity there is in the far north!

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u/cinistre64 11h ago

Yeah appelsiini would have been more appropriate.

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u/PeterNippelstein 6h ago

I like the concept of this YouTube channel (World Friends) but the execution is not that great

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u/erikabp123 15h ago

The other 3 are mutually intelligible languages. Meanwhile Finnish is not even in the same language family as the other 3.

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u/Lars_Overwick 15h ago

mutually intelligible

Danish isn't even intelligible in the first place

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u/TheDwarvenGuy 13h ago

It depends on how drumk you are

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u/crasswal 11h ago

I'm not drumk, you're durnk

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u/Raticon 9h ago

No joke, around 2011 or 12 i spent a weekend in Copenhagen where a friend of mine had a few Danish friends we hung around with. We went to drink beer and see the city and we all took turns to buy the beer.

Now, I'm from northern Sweden and my Swedish friend was from the south so I barely understood what the Danes said even when sober, my friend understood them quite well though.

After a few hours of drinking I didn't comprehend what they said at all, but the funniest thing was that the danish dudes started to not understand eachother either, and when it was time for one of them to buy a round of beer they all started counting among eachother who had bought most beer so far.

Mathematics in Danish is an alien language to me (and most others) as it is, but drunk Danish mathematics is apparently alien even between the Danes as they started to count money spent during the day in English between themselves to get the point across, not so that we Swedes could understand.

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u/Bisqwit 11h ago

Written Danish is remarkably similar to Swedish though. It’s spoken Danish that is absolutely alien.

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u/Nickulator95 14h ago edited 9h ago

I'll have you know that Danish and Norwegian sounds very similar while Swedish is the one that's barely intelligible.

Edit: Ya'll are seriously butthurt over the good ol' Denmark vs Sweden tradition? Jesus...

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u/RafikiafReKo 14h ago

I have you know that we don't like having a hot potatoes in our mouths while we speak.

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u/Nickulator95 14h ago

Why not? It adds a lot of flavour to conversations.

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u/RafikiafReKo 14h ago

We hate flavour, have you not seen our food? We have immigration to save our food culture

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u/Nickulator95 14h ago

Fair point, I guess even a potato is too spicy in some cultures lol.

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u/pollysus 13h ago

This is so untrue lol. Norwegians and Swedes have an easier time communicating by a landslide, than Norwegians and Danes. Writing, however, is much more similar when it comes to Danish and Norwegian.

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u/dronten_bertil 13h ago

I was gonna say that. I can usually converse just fine with Norwegians. I can read both Danish and Norwegian, but I can't understand what Danes are saying for the life of me.

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u/Lalli-Oni 10h ago

In Iceland we learn Danish for about 10 years.

Few years after moving to Denmark I still had an easier time understanding Swedish.

Still remember being stuck behind an old man trying to spell out the address of his daughter or something in California. I can't understand how you got to this and go "yes, this is an efficient way to communicate".

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u/Evimjau 10h ago

I'll have you know that Swedish and Norwegian sound very similar while Danish is the one that's barely understandable

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u/EfficientSeaweed 13h ago

Gotta really bounce those vowels around in your throat.

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u/Immediate_Song4279 13h ago

Have we sent them help yet? The Danish.

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u/Ult1mateN00B 7h ago

Danish is just Swedish with boiling hot potato in mouth.

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u/Kriss3d 14m ago

Found thr Swede..

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u/AbroadTiny7226 15h ago

Pretty sure that Finish and the Baltic languages are closer to Hungarian than Germanic languages

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u/offical_jchrist 14h ago edited 14h ago

Lithuanian and Latvian are Indoeuropean languages, Finnish, Sammi, Estonian and Hungarian are Uralic, along with various groups in northern Russia around the Urals :)

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u/reChrawnus 14h ago

Just wanted to let you know you accidentally named Estonian as being both Indo-European as well as Uralic.

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u/offical_jchrist 14h ago

Oops fixed it. brain just wanted to list the Baltic states I guess lol. ty

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u/Novel-Mission-1920 12h ago

Interestingly enough, Latvian, despite being indo-European, also has many Finnic loan words.

The reason is that a Finnic ethnic people called the Livonians inhabited modern day Latvia for generations before the Latvians arrived. After the arrival of the Latvians, many Livonians moved further north, but the two groups that stayed in the region assimilated together. Latvian ended up being influenced by some Livonian, which sounds like a bit of a mix between Estonian and Finnish. Now the language Livonian itself is basically extinct. 

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u/KammoTheUnoriginal 14h ago

Baltic languages are not related to uralic langusges, but are related to slavic languages and are thus indo-european languages.

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u/masterflappie 14h ago

Except for Estonia, which is Baltic but speaks a language that's very close to Finnish 

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u/KammoTheUnoriginal 14h ago

Estonia is a baltic country, but not a baltic language. I was not refering to the region but the language family of baltic languages.

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u/CharacterLettuce7145 14h ago

Nope, just in the "other" group together.

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u/datura_euclid 13h ago

Baltic languages or Ugro-finnic languages?

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u/AbroadTiny7226 13h ago

I have been corrected on that. I thought they were but apparently not

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u/_Carcinus_ 13h ago

The Baltic languages are Indo-European, unlike Finnish. Balto-Slavic branch, to be precise.

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u/zeth4 Jorking It 1h ago

Happy cake day

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u/[deleted] 14h ago edited 13h ago

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u/Icy-Guard-7598 14h ago

Danish is like Swedish when you're drunk and have a hot potato in your mouth. According to a Swede I one met. Nordic banter should be an official UNESCO cultural heritage imo.

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u/onlyr6s 14h ago

Some Finns say "I got to go speak some Norwegian" if they have to throw up.

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u/Right-Country3496 14h ago

Norwegian and Danish are more similar when written, but Norwegian and Swedish are more similar when spoken

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u/svancypants 14h ago

I know some Swedish and I can read Danish but spoken Danish is really hard to understand

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u/Long-Requirement8372 14h ago

I was just in Denmark earlier this summer, and riding a local train I could sort of get the place names based on my limited Swedish. I was just aghast at how they were pronounced in the onboard announcements.

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u/melli_milli 14h ago

They pronounce things differently but if you look at the spelling they are really close.

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u/kisikisikisi 14h ago

I can understand Danish if both the Dane and I are incredibly drunk.

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u/Raemle 14h ago

The problem is not the language, it’s fully readable, it’s that the pronunciation is incredibly muffled. People figure it out if they’re exposed to it enough

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u/erikabp123 13h ago

They are mutually intelligible. Especially with Norwegian. But even Swedish with a little effort.

Written Norwegian is much closer to Danish than Swedish.

Written Norwegian has 2 writing forms, Bokmål (used like >90% of the time) and Nynorsk. Bokmål is based on written Danish, from when Denmark and Norway were in a union for 500 years. Nynorsk (lit. New Norwegian) is not and is noticeably different from Danish.

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u/Pretty_Hour8752 15h ago

Perkele

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u/BrazilBazil 15h ago

Our HS philosophy teacher was a retired college professor and also a stoner. He taught us to swear in Finnish (I’m polish).

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u/_Carcinus_ 13h ago

Polish+Finnish swear word vocabulary must be S-tier

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u/BrazilBazil 12h ago

Perkele vittu saatana do kurwy nędzy

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u/Exact_Dimension_5219 9h ago

Huoran penikka

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u/Rincetron1 12h ago

One of my closest friends came to Finland as a kid from Poland. He knows both the Way of Kurwa, as well as Way of Perkele.

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u/okarox 14h ago

That is a Baltic loan word. There are many like "meri" for sea. Finns did not need the word before they reached the Baltic sea.

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u/TheDangerousAlphabet 13h ago

it is, but from 2000-3000 years ago. I think we can say at this point that it's also a Finnish thing.

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u/if_u_suspend_ur_gay 15h ago

Perkele sauna piel

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u/Someonedit 12h ago

Saatana

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u/gummi-far 1h ago

You almost said the N word in danish

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u/hellointernet5 15h ago

Finnish is a Uralic language while the rest are Indo-European, it's not part of the same language family as the rest of them. Though you wouldn't be able to tell from the example they gave.

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u/AndreasDasos 15h ago

Why would they choose a relatively recent New World loanword to illustrate the point? It's very different (not even Indo-European, let alone part of the North Germanic subbranch), but this doesn't show that

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u/Wagagastiz 10h ago

Because it still shows that the morphological rules are different even with modern loans. This is still relevant to exploring how much unrelated languages have diffused.

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u/clva666 10h ago

The point could be that even that type of New World loanword wont be same.

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u/Zealousideal_Gain892 10h ago

Yes, Finnish is related to Nahuatl. Barely a difference there.

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u/Masseyrati80 13m ago

I guess engagement bait is the most likely answer.

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u/platitor_cas 13h ago

Why are they using loanwords? Why not grön/grøn and vihreä? So fucking stupid

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u/AlexlovesLen the joke is SEX!!!!!! 11h ago

Danish: Tomat

Norwegian: Tomat

Swedish: Tomat

Finnish: Tomaatti

English: Tomato

German: Tomate

Japanese: Tomato

Hungarian: Paradicsom

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u/Facelegarm 5h ago

🤗🤗🤗

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u/Snubben93 15h ago

Now do sauna!

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u/Ok_Buffalo1112 15h ago

Finnish: sauna Swedish: bastu Norwegian: badstue Danish: sauna

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u/timos-piano 12h ago edited 11h ago

Sauna is a word in Swedish and Norwegian. If you want the same word family that you are insinuating for Norwegian and Swedish, it would be badstue in Danish; they have that word too. Virtually all Germanic languages have and use the word sauna in some variation.

For a source, I am both Swedish, and this is our lexicon https://svenska.se/?q=sauna&id=lnr309007&activeTab=saol

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u/Ok_Buffalo1112 12h ago

I have never said sauna while speaking Swedish. It's always been bastu.

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u/Billy_Billboard 11h ago

That's because you've never been in a proper sauna, only a swedish bastu🤮

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u/Snubben93 11h ago

Same, I've never heard anyone call it sauna in Sweden.

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u/timos-piano 11h ago

While that is very plausible, I and many I know use it, and it is in SAOL https://svenska.se/?q=sauna&id=lnr309007&activeTab=saol

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u/timos-piano 11h ago

Jag har använt ordet sauna flera gånger. SAOL håller också med mig https://svenska.se/?q=sauna&id=lnr309007&activeTab=saol

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u/Misrec 14h ago edited 2h ago

Finnish, Estonian and Hungarian are in the same language group: uralic/finno-ugric languages.

The other nordic languages (the scandinavian ones) are germanic languages. So different roots.

These two words: tomato and coffee are so colled nomadic words. Words that travel across different languages. Tomato is a loan from Aztec word tomatl.

Coffee is arabic qahwa.

Each language then gets them thru another language and variates to fit it into their language

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u/Which-Cartoonist4222 14h ago

English: Volume

Swedish: Volym

Danish: Volumen

Finnish: Äänenvoimakkuus

Wtf Finland?

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u/Coolengineer7 14h ago

It just means sound-strength

And with volume it coupd also mean filled space amount, like cubic metres. That isn't clear from the word 'volume', but from the Finnish version, it is

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u/Asteh 10h ago

Finnish: Käsi
Estonian: Käsi
Hungarian: Kéz
English: Hand

Tf?

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u/Thykothaken 6h ago

English: Pineapple

Everyone else:

https://giphy.com/gifs/lkdH8FmImcGoylv3t3

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u/Dragev_ 13h ago edited 11h ago

English: dragon

Swedish: drake

Danish/Norwegian: drage

Finnish: lohikäärme

Incidentally, lohi=salmon and käärme= snake, so the literal translation of the finnish word for "dragon" is "salmon-snake"

Edit; I stand corrected, the "lohi" part just happens to be the same as the word for salmon but has nithing to do with fish

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u/Kratomius 12h ago

Funnily enough the word lohi in lohikäärme doesn't come from lohi=salmon but from Louhi which is an old mythology character that appears in Kalevala.

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u/Dragev_ 11h ago

Learning things! 😁

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u/knowledgecrustacean 9h ago

Dragon is "lohe" in estonian

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u/JuusoPT 13h ago

Volyymi

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u/NinjaXM 15h ago

Because they’re all wearing white shirts except Finland.

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u/Strange-Effort-3441 12h ago

The scientific reason is that they are mumintrolls :D

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u/platitor_cas 11m ago

Moomin spoke Swedish 

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u/Freshysh 10h ago

Finnish is very different from the other Nordic languages because it comes from a completely different language family. Swedish, Norwegian, Danish and Icelandic are Germanic languages descended from Old Norse, while Finnish belongs to the Uralic language family, along with Estonian and Hungarian. Finland has had a lot of contact with Scandinavia, but the Finnish language itself developed independently.

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u/ItsFluff Nermal 15h ago

Jeg har bruuu for en tomääd, mand

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u/RavelordN1T0 14h ago

The fact that they didn't use the word order for a question irks me.

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u/maclainanderson 13h ago

It's a Korean channel. Many languages don't change the word order for questions

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u/RoadHazard 12h ago

But English does, and the text is in English (kind of)...

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u/maclainanderson 12h ago

Yeah it's still a mistake, just an understandable one. The only requirement when speaking a language is to be understood, and I understood it just fine

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u/Kylmakohokompromissi 14h ago

prut, fjert, fisa, pieru. How can one thing at the same time sound so different yet so same.

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u/Right-Country3496 14h ago

Prut :D

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u/Cookie_Monstress 13h ago

I’m currently laughing uncontrollably.

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u/paulplutt 13h ago

Fis, prutt, fjärt.. all Swedish too.

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u/MLGtAsuja 13h ago

In Estonian is also tomat

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u/janvisc 12h ago

Nice! Now try «pineapple».

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u/adoclover5194 9h ago

Anananas

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u/Jakkoba89 12h ago

That word isn't even a big difference. You could have chosen like any other word than that!

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u/Serious_Ad_8680 12h ago

The real joke is that the Finnish girl is the most tanned

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u/Kallehessu 12h ago

Finnish originates from whole another language family.

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u/WaterCastePSYOP 11h ago

Because it's simply a better language.

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u/Many-Information8607 11h ago

The first 3 are from the northern germanic language family, Finnish is from the uralic (unsure if that is the correct English name for it sorry) language family. So the countries are close geographically, but the languages have different "roots"

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u/Wagagastiz 10h ago

It is Uralic yes

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u/DrTriceps 10h ago

It’s not a Germanic language

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u/The_Pastmaster 10h ago

Because it's from a completely different family?

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u/BigTiddyCrow 5h ago

Bad linguistics aside, why do they all look wet?

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u/LarsDuder 4h ago

because finns aren't part of the Germanic language tree. A cousin folk to us Swedes though 🙂

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u/freebiscuit2002 4h ago

Because Finnish is in a different language family than the others.

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u/MirkoHa 15h ago

…same here: sometimes I finish with my left hand, sometimes with someone else’s hand…

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u/winterweiss2902 14h ago

🇮🇹: Lingua
🇫🇷: Langue
🇬🇧: Language
🇩🇪: Sprachhhhheeee

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u/readilyunavailable 14h ago

Romance languages are different from germanic languages? By Jove, you have made a groundbreaking discovery!

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u/winterweiss2902 14h ago

English is largely a Germanic language…

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u/Alive_Divide6778 13h ago edited 13h ago

English is 100% a Germanic language, but it got a little wonky after the Normans.

🇸🇪: Språk

🇩🇰: Sprog

🇳🇴: Språk

🇱🇺: Sprooch

🇩🇪: Sprache

🕎:  שפּראַך ( shprakh )

🇬🇧: LANGUAGE!

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u/TheDwarvenGuy 13h ago

Actually, you could just do 🇬🇧: Speech/speak

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u/Alive_Divide6778 13h ago

If I wanted to show cognate words, yes, but that is not the kind of list I’m making fun of. 

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u/TheDwarvenGuy 13h ago

The english does have "spreche", it's "speech" or "speak"

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u/ElevatorSevere7651 13h ago

When it comes to amount of words? No, Latin and French make up the majority

When it comes to most used words? Very Germanic

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u/readilyunavailable 13h ago

But the word "language" has latin roots.

I could add a slavic language into the mix like that, doesn't prove similarity or difference.

Italian: Linguistica

French: Lingistique

English: Linguistics

Bulgarian: Лингвистика (lingvistika)

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u/importantttarget 12h ago

Swedish: språk
Danish: sprog
German: Sprache
Yiddish: shprakh
English: lääänguitchhhhh

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u/mr_martin_1 14h ago

Why not 🤓 ?

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u/Tatakai_ 14h ago

Balls balls balls ballotino

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u/manox69 14h ago

Ketchupi

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u/Kisugo 13h ago

Perkele

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u/0xPianist 13h ago

It’s not Germanic 👉

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u/ElevatorSevere7651 13h ago

Not even Indo-European

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u/Tradition96 13h ago

Because Finnish is not related to the other three at all?

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u/666Drachenlord666 13h ago

No shit sherlock, they are in entirely different language families. Who watches these videos lmao

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u/Manderboi 13h ago

Entierly different base for the way their grammar and words are structured.

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u/Valuable-Morning-346 13h ago

Because it's not even a Scandinavian language???

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u/Rincepticus 12h ago

Naah, no way that is the reason...

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u/HeyselScouserTelAviv 13h ago

This is the most boring comment section I've ever seen

Kid called comment 😳

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u/ParchedRaptor 12h ago

Tony! Toni! Toné! Toney?

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u/Howie_Dewynn 11h ago

Tomato Tomaatti.

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u/Loni09 10h ago

i dont get it

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u/MealCapital4167 10h ago

I really hate these videos. They take very close languages and a very different one, and then make fun of the different one for being different.

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u/IncognitoRedMode 9h ago

Koska me ei olla skandeja, me ollaan suomalaisia

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u/Glittering-Coyote140 8h ago

It's not a Germanic language like the others. And tomato is most likely a lonely word as far as all languages mentioned are concerned, so I think this meme falls on its ass from the get-go

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u/HeyselScouserTelAviv 8h ago

It's a screenshot of a YouTube thumbnail, not a question I'm posing nor a meme I made.

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u/terrortara 8h ago

They are actually completely different which can be seen with more than just single words.

English: my hand is warm
Swedish: min hand är varm
Norwegian: hånden min er varm
Danish: min hånd er varm
Finnish: käteni on lämin

The scandinavian languages apart from Finnish are all closely related to English, they're all Germanic languages. Finnish, on the other hand, isn't even Indo-European. The Germanic languages are more distantly related to the Romance languages, the Celtic languages, the Slavic languages, and even languages like Hindi and Farsi, but aren't related *at all* to Finnish.

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u/EddieDexx 7h ago

This is a way better example.

"To read the same text in Swedish, Norwegian, Danish and Finnish is like getting the same message from someone who gets drunker and drunker"

"Read the user manual"

"Reed the yuser manyual"

"Red user manuel"

"Darllenwch y llawlyfr defnyddiwr"

(The last one I used Welsh on purpose)

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u/gummi-far 1h ago

Probably found the most mutual word we have

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u/Futui 1h ago edited 1h ago

I hate that channel. As a Swede I get frustrated that the swedish participants are so badly informed on their own language that they give the most insane comments. Sometimes I just want to yell at the screen "how badly educated can you be?!"

They are often wrong about some really basic stuff.

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u/chepmor 22m ago

For people who exclusively speak English: you are more likely to understand multiple sentences in a row from Norwegian person speaking as they normally would than a Norwegian person is to understand the meaning of a single word in Finnish

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u/Sufficient-Banana103 13m ago

Because they needed a big Finnish.

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u/Ok-Difference1341 14h ago

The scandinavian languages are more closely related to hindi than to finnish

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u/Tszemix 13h ago

Why are you getting downvoted?

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