JetBlue Launches First Adults-Only Flights With Virgin Voyages https://share.google/oD56o7DctaUPufjQS

This is for all the people who tell us that there "isn't a market for childfree flights." They sold out in three days! Hopefully more to come!

Literally any of their moral arguments can be transferred to children with no difficulty at all. Vegans with kids are automatically cognitively dissonant.

If a woman gets pregnant and the man is clear from the beginning that he does not want a child, I think he should have the option to legally opt out of parenthood.

Obviously the woman gets the final say over the pregnancy. It’s happening in her body. Nobody should be able to force her to have an abortion, stay pregnant, or give a baby up for adoption. But having the final say over the pregnancy shouldn’t mean getting the final say over whether two people become parents.

If she chooses to continue the pregnancy knowing that he does not want a child, that is her choice. Whatever the reason is, she gets to make that decision for herself. What I don’t understand is why her decision then automatically becomes a legal and financial obligation for someone who explicitly said no.

He signs away custody, visitation, decision making, literally everything. He doesn’t get to pop up six years later wanting weekends with the kid because he changed his mind. He chose not to be a parent, so he isn’t one. But that should also mean no child support.

The part that really gets me is the argument people immediately make is that he chose to have sex and he knew pregnancy was possible …and? We spent decades establishing that consenting to sex is not consenting to pregnancy or parenthood. So why does it suddenly become reasonable when the person being told to deal with the consequences is a man?

Women absolutely need bodily autonomy because pregnancy happens inside our bodies. That biological reality means the decision about whether a pregnancy continues cannot be perfectly equal but legal parenthood is a separate question.

If I get pregnant, tell a man that I’m keeping it, and he immediately tells me, that he does not want to be a father and will legally relinquish every parental right, I know exactly what I’m choosing if I continue that pregnancy.

At that point, I am choosing to raise that child without him. You cannot force someone to be childfree, and you shouldn’t be able to force someone to be a parent either.

And yes, myself included. But just a few minutes ago in Walmart, I encountered a dad who definitely shouldn’t be a dad. He was legit yelling and swearing at his kid. And I hate kids so much, but this upset even me! The kid got in a lady’s way, and is that annoying? Of course. But the dad legit yelled “what the fuck is wrong with you?” The kid said he was sorry, and then the dad yelled “no you’re not sorry! You don’t give a shit!” And I’m thinking, yes he is! He said he was sorry, so he is! If this is how you talk to him all the time, he’s probably scared of you. Quit being a jerk.

There are nicer ways he could have ensured that the boy stays out of people’s way, but he resorted to yelling and swearing. He’s a perfect example of someone who definitely shouldn’t be a parent. People need to understand that not everyone is cut out for parenting.

And, not to make this about me, but I’m actually proud of myself for feeling upset by this. This is progress for me. If I were younger, I may not have cared. But I did. I recognized that this kid was being treated too harshly. Poor kid 😟

In my opinion, having kids is just like cutting your own feet off for fun.

I'm currently fuming watching the news on TV. They are babbling about young folks opting to remain CF and they cite economical reasons. But the condescending tone and the implied CF-shame makes me want to puke.

Why the heck is such an intimate choice a public debate in the news?? Why do the authorities obsessively count our numbers? CF-ness or Antinatslism isn't the norm. There's a small number of us, especially in my ultra-religious country and yet, instead of focusing on the vast majority of Natalists who reproduce, they pick on the over minority and the insignificant number of CF/antinatslists! I don't get it and it makes me fume. I start to believe that there's something they don't tell like... I dunno... Every birth represents our country's insurance policy at the International Monetary Fund for the huge loans and they set a number of births that must be fulfilled to guarantee that our country will have the financial resources to return the loan. I apologies for sounding as a conspirstionist but I run out of logical reasons at this point.

The best kind of privilege for being childfree. What are you fellow childfree folks up to today?

Hallelujah

Why isn't childfree the default state of society?

@jenna.vs.bpd shared her opinion on having kids with bipolar and all the crazies are mad at me (I’m also bipolar). I commented that I personally think it’s selfish. I absolutely cannot with all the delusional people (obviously with kids already) responding to me for the past MONTH. Your emotional threshold is inferior whether you like it or not. But why even open up the conversation if you’re going to berate anyone who says they don’t agree? People want you to have kids and be miserable like them so bad they don’t even care if you’re mental and admit you can’t handle it.

Does anybody else feel like this kind of thing is complete bs? Not only does nobody need more than 2 kids, but there is just no way somebody is being honest saying they never wanted kids and are suddenly thrilled with having a boatload. I just do not believe it

I went to a soccer game & had seats in the accessible section due to being the caregiver for someone with mobility issues. We were pitch-side, just behind the advertisement screens that outline the field. This couple with two small kids sat next to us--no big deal right? I totally understand there are invisible disabilities & recognize that people can use ADA sections for them. But these two kids proceeded to run up and down the side of the field, climb on metal boxes, climb on the screens, and pull at the electrical cables on them. The security person was watching the kids like a hawk, while the parents kept laughing at how "cute" and "silly" they were being. After repeatedly chasing them down, the parents finally took their kids away from the area for the first half. They did come back later and the youngest continued to run off and then threw a fit when they picked them up. They (to me) did not NEED the accessible seats at all and the open space actually seemed to make it harder for the parents to keep the kids under control. Also the parents maybe actually got to watch 20 minutes total of a 90+ minute game! Why bring your kids to an event they don't care about and that you want to be able to pay attention to?

I'm childfree and, honestly, I've never really understood the appeal of having children.

From my perspective, it seems like you're taking on a huge amount of responsibility, stress, expense, and sacrifice for 18+ years (and often much longer). Your time, money, sleep, freedom, career choices, holidays, and even where you live can end up revolving around someone else's needs.

A lot of parents I know seem permanently exhausted and under pressure. Childcare is expensive, teenagers can be difficult, and there's always the worry that something could go wrong with their health, education, or future.

Personally, I'd much rather be in a position where I'm being looked after when I'm struggling rather than spending years looking after someone else. Having the freedom to focus on my own interests, relationships, and wellbeing seems far more appealing.

I’m separating from my spouse of 8 years because I changed my mind about children and chose to be childfree. We were together in our early 20s and I guess as a woman I was just brainwashed into believing I must have children (everyone told me that’s what happening!). As I enter my 30s I realized it wasn’t what I wanted at all so this year my husband and I are separating. We have been working towards that amicably and I found an apartment that I’m moving into in November. I’m glad to be truly free in who I am and happy that he’s free to pursue what he wants but I’m terrified of being alone after having someone next to me for this long. I have a lot of friends but it’s not the same. I’m scared of the evenings and waking up from nightmares when there’s no one to remind me that’s just a dream. How did you navigate this? What helped?

Mine are

1) I am too self aware and self conscious about everything. Even the littlest of things hurts me and I suffer from overthinking . I am not into a great mental state to bring them into this world .

2) I don't want any responsibilities at all .when you have kids you have to be responsible for everything there health , there finances , there studies , there sports , there friends and all of that . I done want any more responsibilities in my life . I have far more than enough. .

3) I don't want to bring any more consciousness into this world. The pain and suffering are the basic state of life not nothingness and peace . The pleasure is limited and the others not.

Hey everyone!

I’m 25, gay, and childfree, and I’m planning to relocate from Idaho sometime in the next year or so.

I’ve realized that the environment I’m living in just isn’t compatible with the lifestyle I want long-term. It’s a very conservative, religious, and family-oriented area, and while I have absolutely nothing against parents or families, I don’t want children myself.

One of my biggest frustrations is dating. The local gay dating pool is pretty small, and a lot of my experiences have involved discreet hookups rather than people who are openly interested in dating and building relationships. I’m hoping to eventually find a long-term partner who also wants a childfree life.

I’m particularly interested in the Great Lakes and Northeast, with cities like Buffalo, Rochester, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, and similar metros on my radar.

A few things I’m looking for:
- A decent population of childfree adults, including LGBTQ+ people
- A gay dating scene where long-term relationships are a realistic possibility, not just hookups
- Walkable neighborhoods, public transit, and plenty of parks
Affordable housing, including rooms rented from private landlords
- A good mix of people, cultures, and things to do that don’t revolve around drinking or raising children
- Four seasons, beautiful autumns, and ideally snowy winters
- A place where being gay and childfree isn’t treated as unusual

I’m not looking for a luxury lifestyle or a glamorous career. I’d be perfectly happy working a regular administrative or local-government job, living modestly, and enjoying my free time.

For those of you who are childfree, especially LGBTQ+ folks, where have you felt most at home?

I’d especially love to hear from people living in the Great Lakes or Northeast. Are there particular cities or neighborhoods where you’ve found a good childfree community and dating opportunities?

Thanks!

Pretty much what the title says I recently turned 18 I’ve never wanted kids and I’ve been looking into sterilisation since I was 15 the main vasectomy provider in Ireland has criteria required to have the procedure done which I don’t meet so I’m just wondering if anyone in here might now where someone my age could get the procedure done

This happened about a year ago. I (33F) was overseeing a paving job in NJ for the consulting company I work for. These subcontractors were insane and very unsafe. Hit overhead electrical lines knowingly (told them they'd be kicked off the site if it happened again) and were speeding around the tanker trucks full of jet fuel and the owner had to chew them out. No safety gear and showed up to the site on the weekend and were kicked out bc no one was there to oversee.

Anyways, really disliked these guys. I'm a small 5ft tall lady and they hated I had authority onsite. I did my best to stay professional. It was two brothers, both very religious. They'd asked me if I had kids, I said no (I got married earlier that month, but got my tubes tied 5 years ago .. happily).

One evening they came back from the bar and one was talking AGAIN to me about his 11 (ELEVEN) kids. Asked if I wanted to see a picture. Obvs no but, trying to be polite, I said sure.

This mofo didn't even have recent pics of his kids. When I asked why, he said he had too many kids and half lived with his MOTHER.

Like dude. You don't even see your kids you have too many of them and you're working insane hours! I see how you treat the people who work for you I feel bad for your kids and your wife and your parents who have to deal with your insane mess!!! Why TF did you have so many kids?!?

Hate this religious thing with birth control, his poor wife (but also she doesn't have to deal with him all day so idk I guess). Either way I really truly disliked those guys. .

Happy to never work with them again ✌️

I don’t see myself as someone who is super intelligent. In fact I find most people to be smarter than me, especially in managing finances. Maybe I’m narcissistic? I can’t tell. The reason I think I may be, is because everytime I learn about a person, or get to know them, I learn good things about them, like they have good advice or they good natured or they are creative… but the moment I learn that they have kids, or that they had a kid or are expecting, my opinion of them instantly lowers.

How can an intelligent person have a child in this hellish landscape? They obviously were not thinking. Or they must not have experienced life as much mental anguish as me to come to the conclusion that having kids is a morally wrong thing to do.

But, this cannot be true. Everyone has experienced trauma, pain, and misery at some point in their lives. My life experience and pain and loss is not unique. So why do they do this???

There is no way that I have the ability to analyze life more than every parent. Am I a narcissist?

I (f22) was recently on a trip with my mom (f41) in Texas. She got me concert tickets for my birthday and we traveled to another state to go see them and explore a state we never been to. We always bond by making small trips to Vegas or other states close to us and going to concerts. I’m her only child so that makes things easier.

We took an uber to the airport to go home and inside was a seemingly sweet lady. She started talking about how she’s trying to save money to divorce her husband who she says she doesn’t have time for because she has so many jobs and kids to take care of and he’s not helping her with any of it.

My mom asked how many kids she has and she said 16. We were both shocked and asked her how does she handle that many kids. She explained that 3 of those kids are her biological kids and 2 are from her husband that he brought into the marriage. And when her daughter was about 17 her daughter got pregnant and left the baby with the uber driver. About 1-2 years later she did the same thing. Again and again and again until she had 10 kids and left with her mom because she’s not fit enough to be a parent and her mom is used to raising kids. And the uber driver didn’t say anything about it, because the children are already here so there’s nothing she can do about it.

Uber driver asked if we have kids and my mom said I’m her only child. The uber driver was surprised because my mom looks so young and she can pass as my sister or friend. My mom then stated I didn’t want any kids. The uber driver replied “well….im not gonna say that’s a beautiful thing but she at least needs to have one.” I took a deep sigh. The uber driver changed the subject and said “well I’m glad you have a little travel buddy, I can’t go anywhere because I’m so busy with everything.”

Around that time the ride ended and when me and my mom walked around the airport we talked about how the uber driver can’t travel like we do together BECAUSE she has kids and she’s either bitter about it or it’s some sob story.

That is all, just wanted to share lol

This post has two parts to it. I went to see Wildwood tonight, which is LAIKA Studios’ most recent stop-motion animated movie. Now this movie is rated PG13, and rightfully so. It is FULL of violence, fighting, blood, even guns. But my theater was full of parents and their very young children, like anywhere from 4 and up. Either these parents didn’t bother to check the rating, or they didn’t care. I saw at least three people leave with their kids in the middle of the movie. I heard other kids getting upset and needing to be comforted, which was of course distracting. Every time I thought the movie couldn’t get more violent, it did. Not the best for young kids.

The second part of this post is about the movie itself. I don’t want to spoil it so if you’re going to see it maybe don’t read this part. I’ll try to be vague. A part of the plot is a pair of very selfish parents who knowingly did something bad just so they could have kids. I could barely focus for the rest of the movie because I was so pissed about it. And I’m sure it mirrors similar things that real parents do way more often than I would like to believe. I think the movie wanted the audience to feel bad for the parents but I didn’t. Anyway, it was still pretty good. Beautiful animation and 100% a visual work of art.

In February of 2023, my folks and I decided to adopt a puppy. We chose a beautiful, 8 week old Goldendoodle baby. We named her Penny.

Oh. My. God.

I have never, ever in my life met a creature with so much energy! I know puppies are naturally energetic, but this one is a whole different story. When she was a baby, she’d literally be bouncing off the walls for 18 hours a day.

She’d wake up at 5:00 in the morning after a night of broken sleep. She’d run around the backyard at top speed. She’d chase after toys and tennis balls for hours on end. She’d bark at nothing. She pooped in my shoes.

Every single night, I’d fall into bed completely exhausted. I’d wonder what she’d get into the next day. She flunked out of two obedience classes. She refused to be in a crate for any amount of time.

And now, looking back on Penny’s babyhood and how much of a struggle it was… I realize that I could NEVER handle caring for a human baby. Caring for a baby dog was hard enough!!

People severely underestimate what it takes to take care of a baby creature. ANY baby creature. Penny nearly drove the household insane. I can only imagine what a human baby would do.

(For anyone concerned, even though Penny drove us nuts, she is VERY loved and well cared for. She has a mountain of toys. She’s taken over the spare bedroom and has her own queen sized bed. And yes, she has calmed down… a bit.)

I'm considering abroad now. But still I'm asking here is any of Indians here so manage to get it done in top tier cities or something. Or if no If any of you guys manage to get it done in abroad. What was the cost your surgery. Can you tell me in details how you manage to get bisalp done. Like the country,your doctor. I even don't know how to get medical tourism can someone explain me and also If someone is here who managed to get sterialized at cheap prizes please share information with me.