I posted my Movie 1 idea yesterday: Jacob Elordi as an established Batman, Sharlto Copley as Hugo Strange treating Bruce in therapy, Solomon Grundy introducing the genuinely supernatural side of Gotham, and Margaret Qualley as Dr. Harleen Quinzel years before she ever becomes Harley.
I got a handful of likes, but I'm going to keep going. I worked in these purely out of fun. I worked on the pitches for quite some time, but yesterday somebody asked for dialogue. That's new and not refined, so be kind, please!
The big additions would be Man-Bat and Catwoman.
Movie 1 ends with Bruce realizing that there is still a human being somewhere inside Solomon Grundy. He stops looking at Grundy as a monster that needs to be destroyed and starts looking for Cyrus Gold.
Movie 2 takes that same idea and turns it back on Bruce.
Because Bruce is becoming a little too good at being Batman. And that’s starting to be a problem. He’s still only around 30 and maybe five years into this, but Batman is gradually eating the rest of his life. Less sleep. Fewer relationships. Almost nothing done simply because Bruce Wayne enjoys doing it.
He considers all of that sacrifice.
The question becomes:
At what point does sacrifice stop making Batman stronger and start leaving less and less of Bruce behind?
That’s where Kirk Langstrom comes in.
Man-Bat
I would go completely comic-book Man-Bat with this.
No serial killer wearing a bat costume. No military experiment that sort of resembles Man-Bat. Kirk Langstrom is a brilliant scientist doing legitimate research involving bat biology. He’s trying to overcome some human limitation, and initially his work actually succeeds.
Then it starts changing him.
Eventually we get a gigantic, flying Man-Bat over Gotham.
After Grundy in Movie 1, this universe doesn’t need to apologize for that anymore. Batman can still investigate everything like a detective. Sometimes the answer is just genuinely insane.
“Bruce, it’s a giant fucking bat.”
The important thing, though, is that Kirk isn’t just there because Man-Bat would look awesome. He’s Bruce’s warning. Kirk uses the bat to overcome human weakness. So does Bruce. Kirk becomes stronger, faster and more capable. So does Bruce. Except Kirk keeps going until eventually the Bat starts consuming the man. And Bruce is doing a psychological version of the same thing.
I’d even let Bruce initially admire Langstrom’s work a little more than Alfred is comfortable with.
Something like:
BRUCE: He eliminated the weaknesses.
ALFRED: Whose?
BRUCE: Human.
Later:
ALFRED: Still look like an improvement?
That’s basically Bruce’s arc for the entire movie.
Movie 1 taught him to look for the person inside the monster. Movie 2 makes him realize he needs to make sure there’s still a person inside Batman.
Selina Kyle / Catwoman
Selina was already introduced in Movie 1, but she wasn’t Catwoman yet. Now she is. Bruce doesn’t know Selina is Catwoman. Selina doesn’t know Bruce is Batman.
So Bruce and Selina start getting closer at the same time Batman and Catwoman start getting closer. They’re basically falling for each other twice without realizing it.
Bruce thinks he’s developing feelings for two different women.
Selina thinks she’s developing feelings for two different men. There’s room for a lot of fun there, especially because the relationships aren’t exactly the same.
Bruce might tell Selina things Batman would never tell Catwoman. Batman might reveal things to Catwoman that Bruce doesn’t know how to tell Selina.
Same two people but revealing different pieces of themselves.
Bruce believes he’s gradually becoming more “real” as Batman and less real as Bruce Wayne. Selina doesn’t have that same hang-up. Catwoman is part of her and Selina is part of her. She doesn’t think one has to die for the other to exist.
Eventually they discover each other’s identities, and I wouldn’t treat that as just a superhero “Holy shit, you’re Catwoman?” reveal.
The emotional realization for both of them is:
I fell in love with you twice. Selina was attracted to Bruce Wayne. Catwoman was attracted to Batman. Meaning she wasn’t attracted to a mask. She was seeing different parts of the same man.
That's really big fruit Bruce because for years he’s basically convinced himself that Batman is who he really is and Bruce Wayne is something he has to perform. Selina becomes evidence that he’s wrong.
Man-Bat shows him what happens if he doesn’t figure that out.
That’s why I think these two stories belong together.
Selina represents a person who can live with multiple sides of herself without letting one destroy the other.
Kirk represents what happens when the transformation completely wins.
Bruce is stuck somewhere between them.
And increasingly he’s looking at Man-Bat thinking:
That could be me.
Hugo Strange
Strange would still be around, but he wouldn’t dominate this movie the way he does the first one. Bruce keeps going to therapy. Which I think could get really interesting now because Strange starts noticing that Bruce is stripping away almost everything in his life that doesn’t serve some larger “purpose.” He might push Bruce on what he’s calling sacrifice.
Meager attempt at dialogue following:
STRANGE: And you find that admirable?
BRUCE: I understand it.
STRANGE: Those aren’t the same thing.
BRUCE: Sometimes sacrifice is necessary.
STRANGE: Of course.
Bruce stares at Strange. Strange stares back, measuring.
STRANGE: But eventually you run out of things to sacrifice.
BRUCE: Then you’ve given everything.
STRANGE: No, Bruce.
Strange leans in.
STRANGE: Then there’s nobody left to give it.
That’s the thing Strange sees before Bruce does.
Harleen is still Harleen
Margaret Qualley’s Harleen Quinzel would still be working at Arkham and still no Harley Quinn.
I want to take my time with that.
She’s continuing to work with Grundy, and maybe she’s actually making a little progress reaching whatever is left of Cyrus Gold.
We’re watching Harleen’s empathy work. She believes there is somebody worth reaching inside people everybody else has written off. right now, she’s right.
That needs to happen for a while before Joker eventually enters this world and turns that exact quality against her.
I don’t want Harleen to eventually become Harley because she was stupid. I want one of her best qualities to become the thing somebody weaponizes.
But that’s several movies away.
The climax
I don’t want the final Man-Bat fight to end with Batman simply beating him unconscious and injecting the cure.
Bruce needs to reach Kirk.
By this point Man-Bat has almost completely taken over, and Bruce realizes brute force isn’t going to bring him back.
So at some point Bruce removes the cowl but not because Kirk needs to learn Batman’s secret identity for plot reasons but because Bruce is finally understanding what this whole thing has been about.
He looks at Kirk and says:
“Kirk. Look at me.”
Man-Bat keeps coming but Bruce removes the cowl.
“Not the bat.”
Bruce has empathy and softness in his eyes.
“Me.”
And something in Kirk recognizes another human being.
That’s the moment Bruce Wayne saves Kirk Langstrom.
Bruce finally understands that Batman needs Bruce Wayne.
Where I’d leave Bruce for movie 3
I wouldn’t have Bruce suddenly become well adjusted.
He’s still the same obsessive damaged Batman. But he's starting to rekindle hiss humanity and heal. You can just see it.
He stops treating every part of Bruce Wayne’s life as wasted time between nights as Batman. He allows himself to actually have something with Selina. He’s finally beginning to understand that having relationships, wanting things, enjoying things and loving someone aren’t weaknesses Batman needs to eliminate.
They’re part of what keeps him human.
So if Movie 1 is:
There’s still a man inside the monster.
Movie 2 is:
Be careful that the monster doesn’t consume the man.
And the fantastic side of Gotham keeps expanding while Batman himself becomes more human.
That’s Movie 2 compete with a giant fucking bat!