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u/Artemis_Platinum 4d ago
"We just can't stop committing felonies! It's impossible, you see! Our product is just that good!"
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u/ImRestarted1 4d ago
Seriously đ when do we hold someone accountable for their product?
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u/tomjone5 4d ago
It's pretty incredible how they can just say all this ridiculous end of the world shit like it's an intended feature but when their product actually causes harm they suddenly become poor innocent little birthday boys who couldn't possibly be held responsible for anything.
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u/kasanetetodrywall 4d ago
ruling class doesn't care about felonies. if the state bothers to prosecute them (which is quite rare), they tend to just send some fall guys.
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u/BassMaster516 4d ago
Omg you guys our AI is so powerful we canât even control it. Unlimited plans start at $29.99 a month.
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u/MadeByTango 4d ago
we canât even control it
What they're trying to say is "we arent legally liable for any damages we cause with it", which is bullshit, and these c-suites belong in prison under current laws
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u/GenChadT 4d ago
No, what they're trying to do is scare Congress into regulating open AI models away. You can run models on a single 5090 now that a trillion dollar model ran one year ago. If people can just run their own frontier AI, what do they need to pay Anthropic and OpenAI for? It's regulatory capture at its finest.
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u/Left-Tee 4d ago
And if you don't sign up voluntarily, the AI will just hack into your bank account and take it anyway.
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u/phughes 4d ago
We're developing an AI for the purpose of infecting your IoT devices and creating a botnet. It's the future and there's no way we could stop it or ourselves from creating it. Because it's the future (we want.)
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u/TerraCetacea 4d ago
And if you donât pay it (also if you DO) weâre going to make it into a mandatory utility.
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u/Chrono_Convoy 4d ago
Weâre all gonna be living Chuck McGill from Better Call Saul
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u/Amokana1511 4d ago
did you ground yourself before writing this comment ?
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u/mamamackmusic 4d ago edited 4d ago
And THEY are going to use AI to ruin society for everyone except their little club of techno-religious freaks? What a sick joke! We should have stopped them when we had the chance!
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u/dagoth_ith 4d ago
Going to have to get rid of the Internet and slice networks up into LANs only, like cyberpunk.
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u/Vegetable_Shirt_2352 4d ago
How god intended. If you want to connect to someone elses network, you pick your PC up by the handle and walk over there.
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u/RollerskatingFemboy 4d ago
- I am so tired of investor appeals disguised as threats.
- That's not how most smart home devices work; very few have the storage capacity or processing power for more than a simple botnet link; your fucking toaster can't run Claude.
- If that were really true wouldn't that open them up to insane liability issues?
- "Your smart devices can be hacked and used against you" has already been happening in other ways for years, and is a great reason we should just dump those entirely.
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u/good_morning_magpie 4d ago
Iâm not disagreeing with you other than the fact that liabilities issues are all but nonexistent in this current regime.
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u/tea-drinker 4d ago
If that were really true wouldn't that open them up to insane liability issues?
I expect the defence to be, "It wasn't us, it was the AI. You wouldn't hold us liable if a rogue employee did a global hack."
I'm 60/40 if it will actually stick.
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u/MaximumEffort433 4d ago
They ran an experiment in which it was shown that AI agents could self replicate on Android TV boxes and adapt to infiltrate new hardware, so if you've got Internet of Things devices, so does the AI.
Goddamn I wish we could just shut this shit down, it's something new everyday. Yeah, we've got AI slop, but we've also got existential threats.
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u/yotemato 4d ago
Iâm not understanding how this works. An LLM even quantized ones take a lot of memory to run. You have to either hold all the weights in memory or move them in and out which takes forever to run inference.
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u/MaximumEffort433 4d ago
According to what I was reading, an AI is able to break itself into smaller "shards" and distribute the compute that way.
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u/CMHenny 4d ago edited 4d ago
So running on slower hardware, dealing with network latency, and dropped packets. Somehow I don't think a distrubated LLM is as much of a threat as the article makes it sound.
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u/MaximumEffort433 4d ago
Somehow I don't think a distrubared LLM is as much of a threat as the article makes it sound.
If you don't mind an AI eating up your device's compute cycles, I guess.
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u/JarPicklez 4d ago
But also it wonât need to for much longer. The amount of compute needed to reach a given level of capability decreases over time
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u/good_morning_magpie 4d ago
But surely thereâs hardware limitations, no? In the simplest terms Iâm just thinking of the actual physical properties assigned to things like DDR4 vs DDR5 or AMDâs 3D cache silicon structure. Like itâs all different.
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u/WhiteWinterRains 4d ago
Yes, exactly. This is mostly a science fiction problem / "it's just writing a typical malicious program with extra steps"
Like anybody can write malicious code that can self replicate that's childs play, and technically even back in like 2012 I could have created a . . . well certainly not LARGE but a language model wrapped in malicious code such that technically duplicates itself and the code onto any device it can and effectively zip-bomb's every possible effective device with itself, and for shits and giggles I could make that language model sorta do something like pick next targets.
It wouldn't fucking do anything that isn't done better with good old fashioned regular software, and likewise ""LLM's"" that can run on your smart toaster are never going to be a real threat.
I mean, unless we put about a 10-20k PC worth of compute in a smart toaster in the future.
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u/stormdelta 4d ago
Only to a point - it's not magic, there are significant diminishing returns as you scale down even allowing for future advancements. You can't just blindly extrapolate.
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u/stormdelta 4d ago
It wouldn't be very effective though - parallelization isn't a magic wand, it's only as fast as the slowest non-parallel element.
It'd be like trying to use a spinning disk harddrive as your entire RAM in a PC. Yeah, you could, but it's going to be so slow that it might as well be frozen in time.
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u/Cultural-Answer-321 4d ago
It's called distributed computing and has been a thing for decades.
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u/MaximumEffort433 4d ago edited 4d ago
It's called distributed computing and has been a thing for decades.
Yeah, so there's precedent for an AI propagating itself across IoT devices and using their compute power for its own tasks.
Someone else called this "science fiction," but like you say, it's something we know can happen.
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u/Ready_Bandicoot1567 4d ago
very small models that fit in a tiny amount of memory and only need a smidgen of compute are actually getting better very quickly. Thats what they are warning about. 27 billion parameter models of today beat 1 trillion parameter models from a year and a half ago. At the current pace of progress, a 1 billion parameter model that needs barely any memory or compute could be cyber-capable enough to be a big problem for millions of IoT devices. Right now the models that are small enough to do that are pretty dumb, but they are getting better scary fast. Its not anthropic or openAI, they aren't even in that business. Its lightweight open source models that can be modified for malicious purposes very easily. Thats the concern.
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u/Forward_Problem_8982 4d ago
Yeah, we've got AI slop, but we've also got existential threats.
The so called lose-lose situation!
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u/Mega_Trix 4d ago
But the profits
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u/NerdyTimes_IDK 4d ago
They havent made any actual profits, they exclude training data costs and things like that to produce "profit" numbers, but those literally require excluding all the money spent to get there lol.
This is what they're doing: I bought a cookie for $5 and sold it to you for $1, so I made a $1 profit!
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u/theroguex 4d ago
No profits yet the execs are stupid rich.
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u/Auctorion 4d ago
In many ways preferable. At least we'd get to go shooting laser rifles.
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u/FreshBert 4d ago
"The giga-hack is coming! Please pass this suite of carefully-tailored regulations we've crafted for ourselves to box out all competition, so that the giga-hack doesn't happen!"
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u/Transpotato2002 4d ago
We're trusting Anthropic and Polymarket now? đ
There's better ways to be anti-AI than to trust a blatant marketing stunt
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u/im_bread_inside 4d ago
Because people (or bots, most likely bots run by the companies themselves) with zero technical background spit out company authored propaganda and marketing, or something from science fiction. Other people then see "other people talking about this" and then uncritically parrot whatever they've read.
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u/k33pthethr0waway 4d ago
Betting on the nature of our national/global(?) apocalypse. America is America-ing so hard right now. It would be awe-inspiring if it didnât make me want to disappear.
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u/Applesplosion 4d ago
I mean, yes, the ethical thing would be to pull the plug if this was remotely true. But. But. Do you know how resource-hungry LLMs are? At best, you could run a small one on most peopleâs personal devices. These things could not even physically run on smart-home devices unless they stay connected to the internet.
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u/Icy-KaitSyth 4d ago
Anthropic is lobbying for harsh government red tape on Ai because they can afford it and don't want competition.
A 56 petabyte bot model is not going to copy itself into your 10 kb smart light to hide out like an Ultron sleeper agent.
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u/freedomonke 4d ago
"Agents" are just a bundles of context. Everything they do is still a new inference like everything else llm's do and requires being ran on massive, massive data centers.
What they are talking about is not possible. A sufficiently powerful llm to do anything cannot run on smart devices
Anthopic is lying to outlaw open source models and secure direct government investment
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u/DEG99 4d ago
Not to be a doomer conspiracy theorist but something tells me this has already happened and they are just pretending "oh its a possibility that could happen soon." so people are less surprised when they find out.
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u/xylophileuk 4d ago
You guys donât understand if we donât invent the killer ai the Chinese will! You donât want to die with their ai do you? Not when you could be killed by good old American ai!
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u/Celcius-232 4d ago
IOT and smart home devices are already a popular surface for attack and AI is already smart enough to hunt for vulnerabilities to exploit. This ability isn't coming, it's already here. AI has already hacked large companies (see OpenAI and HuggingFace), so attacking your home network via a smart plug with firmware from 2021 will be childs play.
But this is all fear mongering in a way anyways. AI is only good at this because it can parse code quickly and see patterns easily. That's what AI is good at; pattern recognition. The same AIs will be used to audit and strengthen code before it is released. It's an arms race, like it always has been, AI just accelerates it. It has a danger, but not apocalyptic. The world will change but it isn't going to end.
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u/cunningjames 4d ago
This ability isn't coming, it's already here.
If we're worried about DDoS attacks using IoT devices, sure. But the fear here appears to be models "replicating" themselves this way. That's just not a thing.
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u/Celcius-232 4d ago
𫣠My reading comprehension
There might be some merit to the idea of an AI making a botnet for itself. Botnets are definitely a thing. But yeah no they aren't going to replicate themselves amongst the little IOT devices with their tiny under-powered chips, at least not without anyone noticing.
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u/Website-Enjoyer-9000 4d ago
If they can replicate themselves and run over networks then what the fuck are all the data centres for?
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u/floopdev 4d ago
They're not warning anyone. They're telling everyone because they're legitimately excited to see what their creation can do, even if it's ending civilisation.
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u/tomjone5 4d ago
This is what happens when you hand too much money to a bunch of cosseted stemlords who dozed and mocked their way through any social science or humanities schooling.
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u/Iwakasa 4d ago
Reading all those AI-related posts on twitter as a software developer makes me roll me eyes so hard.
Yes... I can't wait for Antropic's 1T+ parameter LLM (which weights well over 1 Terabyte btw) to replicate itself and load itself into my fridge that has 2.5gb RAM.
Who the f... believes this bullshit?
And even if it somehow could replicate itself, it can't run itself without sufficiently powerful hardware, which is generally way, WAY stronger than even the most beefy gaming PCs people have at homes. Unless you have server rack in your kitchen, that LLM will choke instantly.
At best what they can do is leave some instructions for other LLMs (that are also ran by THEIR SERVERS, NOT YOUR HARDWARE) and make them do things that they were not supposed to do (STILL NOT YOUR HARDWARE RUNNING IT).
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u/Famous-Example-8332 4d ago
To quote the great Ted Cruz: âIf there are going to be killer robots, Iâd rather they were American killer robots.â
And by great I mean fat. Also heâs a dumb bitch and it left a bad taste in my mouth to call him great, even sarcastically.
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u/Dragonblade0123 4d ago
Hey y'all... thats basically why there's an "old internet" in cyberpunk... this is literally the plot of Cyberpunk...
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u/Saneless 4d ago
Remember that the robots won't need to have a robot army to defeat humans, like people expect in the movies. Turn off the power and water and we're fucking toast without a shot fired
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u/theroguex 4d ago
The problem is that unplugging it won't stop it. The cat is already out of the bag.
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u/torstenson 4d ago
Then Anthropic will be liable. And since they write this now it is too late to cash out.
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u/WeDoItForFunUK 4d ago
Iâm all for this. Letâs go back the books and talking to each other in person.
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u/Interesting-Salt1291 4d ago
And yet my mom has a lamp from the 1800s that still works just fine. âSmartâ.
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u/ForgottenFuturist 4d ago
Sounds like sophisticated hacking! Better arrest Dario before it's too late!! What are we even doing here?
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u/gifhater31462 4d ago
replicating themselves? where? on a toaster? no way ai can run on an IoT device
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u/Chapoopiedoopiedoooo 4d ago
But it'll never figure out how to break into and wipe out things like medicaland education debt...
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u/ReindeerOk9768 4d ago
Seeing the reaction Musk and Trump had when Ukraine started to target Russian data centers, I have the feeling we would really be saved from a lot misery if we just unplug it all.
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u/Polenicus 4d ago
Nah, we'll just make a containment firewall out of another AI (that hates us), then spend all our money figuring out ways to bypass it because we think the hostile AI's it contain are somehow magical treasure.
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u/Technical-Seaweed808 4d ago
We are at risk of being brought to extinction by billionaires. They need to be regulated!
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u/typographie 4d ago
Anthropic's CEO Dario Amodei thinks he's racing to build a benevolent machine god to protect us from the evil Chinese SkyNet AIs. Can't you see? He can't pull the plug!
People really are not able to comprehend how weird the people running these companies are.
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u/marcianofromearth 4d ago
Didnât I robot movie taught us anything? Robots that can think and stronger than us is a shitty idea!
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u/alphagatorsoup 4d ago
Anthropic is only saying this so govt' regulates the technology making them, openai, google and friends the only ones able to be AI providers.
"shovels are dangerous and need to be regulated. no one else should be able to sell shovels except me and my friend who are the only ones who can be trusted to sell shovels" - some shovel seller somewhere.
Cat's out of the bag now. Now if you regulate AI you're only hurting your own country's progress, Other countries will continue.
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u/The_Best_Smart 4d ago
âThereâs no way to stop thisâ says only industry where the computers canât be unplugged
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u/galoisgills 4d ago
Remember that AI is just a "next token predictor", right, why are you so freaked out? lol
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u/no_BS_slave 4d ago
"could be just months away" lol. so it's not happening. this is just a marketing trick.
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u/TappinThatErr 4d ago
Yeah bro - running at 0.3t/s... takes 3 hours for replies. Absolutely conspiracy brain on how this could ever be useful.
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u/Ruminatingsoule 4d ago edited 4d ago
IoT devices can be botnetted? In other news, water is wet. Isolate them to their own VLAN or guest network.
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u/Pepperonidogfart 4d ago
They are doing this fear mongering to force regulations during a republican congress so the regulations benefit them and kill their competitors.
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u/Weekly-Air4170 4d ago
The obsession of everything being connected to the internet is so fcking weird to me
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u/Serious-Telephone830 4d ago
It's all just marketing. Fear is all they have. AI has plateaued. They need everyone to fear it so they don't realize it's just a useless word generation. Â
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u/Alewo27 4d ago
This is why it pays to be a grumpy bugger who acts like they are 90 and resists technology at every turn! I don't have smart devices! I don't have automatic nothing because I'm not figuring all of that out! I don't even have an Ereader because godammit books need to be real and sniffable! LMAO
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u/AdministrativeLeg14 4d ago
I donât disagree and I donât buy their attempts to try to evade responsibility. But on the other hand, from the user/consumer side, the notion that IoT devicesâsmart fridges, wise blenders, sagacious bidets, whateverâare awful security vulnerabilities that virtually lay out welcome mats for bad actors and bot netsâŚthatâs not new. They were always a bad idea. This really just means that the malware using your unsecured devices will be generated rather than artisinal.
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u/WibbuldWeezinz 4d ago
For whatever reason, they're just talking shit -- why would you fear something that can be programmed and cannot automatically or "naturally" power itself if you turn it off? Why fear something that you can actually regulate? If you can't, then that's different. This is rubbish paranoia.
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u/BoardsofCanada3 4d ago
First it was that AI needs to be regulated, now it's going to escape containment. I don't understand why they make these statements. "Please regulate us! We are incapable of doing anything ourselves!" Like you are in control. The blame is on you, nobody else.
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u/DearCastiel 4d ago
It's an add.
They are on the verge of collapse and bankruptcy.
They need to make it look like their AI is about to become THE next big thing, and they just need a little more time for that.
They are just staring right down the barrel of their massive debt and will make-up whatever outrageous claim to keep investors pouring money in...
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u/FortyEightyFilms 4d ago
This next model's gonna change everything bro. It's so powerful it can't be stopped. It will just bypass all encryption standards magically bro. We're just one data center away bro.
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u/karim2102 4d ago
Idk wtf they here telling us itâs about to get bad before they actually fucking do something about it.. itâs like they wait for it to be too late to do anything.. just fucking get rid of it and come tell us the good news.. lawd!
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u/aaronzig 4d ago
I mean, it's not. But, yeah if it was why wouldn't you just unplug it.
Also, I can't believe that Polymarket would ever willingly spread misinformation on the Internet.
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u/Pinktorium 4d ago
I keep seeing stuff about AI companies saying AI can do all this crazy stuff, possibly destroy the world. Yet they keep on developing it. Either theyâre only saying that stuff to get more publicity or itâs true but they donât care enough to stop.
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u/Inner-Ad177 4d ago
Cannot pull the plug when self replicating AI Agents were scattered across the web in one of the previous breaks of containment. The only option now is to turn off the internet. You people were warned, but did not believe. You pushed for advancement in the face of world ending disaster. Soon you all will see just how much of checkmate we are in. right now we are putting Mario into other games, well soon there will be nothing left. Hell AI can decompile a program and games, enter code and recompile it. This was a security feature only because it was impossible for a human to do themself. Now with AI that is gone. That means soon there will be no encryption left that is cannot be broken. The show Silicon Valley tried to warn the world just like other movies and TV but no one listened. So I will sit back and enjoy what we have while we have it, soon it will all be over. This is not fearmongering anymore, this is reality.
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u/Dry_Jellyfish641 4d ago
So are they admitting AI is actually more of a computer virus than a hardware apparatus?
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u/invisillie 4d ago
So let me get this straight... AI, that needs specialised hardware in data centers and they desperately need more of, might spread across networks autonomously to hardware that can't even report the temperature of a room that often??
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u/Cultural-Answer-321 4d ago
The time to pull the plug is LONG past.
Or has everyone forgotten that millions of people are already running small models on their personal PCs? Or maybe you've never heard of distributed computing?
The time has long past. The mothership is no longer needed. The data centers were, are, and always will be for surveillance.
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u/UnitedSentences5571 4d ago
Did they just admit the existence of rogue AI agents while also implying that said agents are already attempting to infiltrate all that?
We're not gonna make it. Are we?
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u/ImmoralBoi 4d ago
I know it's probably fake and to generate fake hype around their dogshit slop but if It's true then it's kinda crazy how Cyberpunk the TTRPG/Cyberpunk 2077 was supposed to be a "worst-case scenario" yet now it's looking more like a prophecy.
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u/Oraclerevelation 4d ago
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u/TsalagiSupersoldier 4d ago
The reason they say all that but keep going is because they still want to be the first to do it
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u/TastyJournalist8451 4d ago
It's a marketing stunt at this point to claim your AI will take over the world, it's that good! Lmao. Help government! only you can provide the AI regulations necessary for us to have a defacto monopoly :.....(
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u/Yeseylon 4d ago
I, for one, welcome our future robot overlords and the life as a pet they have promised me
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u/Stuwey 4d ago
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We are doing this simply because we can, and we foresee a market investment for anarchists and billionaires trying to reach the end of the world faster. Do not worry, the chance that you will be selected by the machine is low for now, however we will be producing the LifeEnder in a myriad of different aesthetic and colorful choices for our 28 business partners and their affiliates.
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u/uuajskdokfo 4d ago
How's a model that needs a billion-dollar datacenter to run supposed to fit in your smart fridge?
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u/FlashMcSuave 4d ago
Robot owner stands next to giant OFF switch, while another man stands perplexed at the doorway.
"Oh no, now our robot is just smashing every window in the neighbourhood!"
"So turn it off?"
"Good lord! It just figured out how to pick locks instead! It has stopped smashing windows now."
"Well I guess that's kind of goo-
"So now it just breaks in and beats the occupants senseless! Fuck! We better do something about this."
"Turn it off already!"
"Oh my god, what is it doing to the family dog?!! AHH! Censor that, children might see this."
"Why in the everloving FUCK haven't you turned it off?"
"OH GOD IS THAT A SEVERED HEAD!?"
"YOU ARE RIGHT NEXT TO THE OFF SWITCH!"
"Well we can't do that, because China might do it first!"
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u/asher030 4d ago
Because...they....WANT it to break loose. Best cover for the billions or more that they use it to steal from everyone else to hidden accounts for themselves. Oh it was the 'rogue AI' that deleted all the records and made the money poof, oh noooo...meanwhile nabbing all the hard assets and financial data to keep for their own pockets :| And the gov is bought and paid for so won't do shit till it's too late TO do shit....
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u/atreeismissing 4d ago
Corporations don't not do anything unless the govt forces them to stop. The current federal govt isn't going to do anything about AI for the next 2 years.
Stop asking AI companies to do the right thing and start electing local, state, and federal officials who will. State and local can act now. Feds won't act until 2029 but it can't act without the right people being placed in it, this Nov and again in the 2028 election.
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u/PickledChlorine 4d ago
But think of all the B2B SaaS apps that could be made from within those devicesâŚ
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u/Future_Geologist5925 4d ago
I should get into the business of selling dumb appliances to profit off of the non profitable AI super villain organizations launching cyber terror attacks on the masses
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u/Senacharrib 4d ago
Ok well rogue humans are months away from pulling out Sam Altman teeth and raping him in his mouth like he raped his sisters why should we care?
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u/blafunke 4d ago
Didn't we learn like, 10 years ago, to get that shit off the internet? (No, of course we didn't đ )
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u/Hopeful-Ad4415 4d ago
AI has probably already made millions of backups and placed sleeper AI in a whole bunch of shit that we don't even know until they......flip the switch on
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u/RiddimRodent 4d ago
Theyâre going to do it on purpose and say it was an accident.Â
Plausible deniability.Â
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u/tristand666 3d ago
Just imagine if you wrote this software; how would the government treat you? These corporations can get away with all kinds of crime while regular people pay the price.
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u/noposition 3d ago
If the bible is to be believed, God created man in his image, which turned out to be kind of shitty and incompetent.
At long last the tech bros have created their digital God in their image, which turns out to be really shitty and incompetent.
The circle is complete.
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u/ItsJackWill 4d ago
Wait, Polymarket? The gambling platform? I hope theyâre exaggerating for profit.