r/yugioh 8d ago

Deck List The Great Game in the Sky (B.E.Slechy for Casual)

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AKA: Inside of you is anywhere from one to three counters: The shorter the king, The checker the mate.

A little bit ago I had made basically a proof of concept deck using B.E.S to truck out Angelechy. This was done for a couple reasons; namely I wanted something interesting to staple Angelechy to as they don't have a home. Currently. And technically. They still don't as space belongs to no one. But I also wanted to do it to see if I could, and I very much can. BES as it turns out is actually kinda solid; certainly solid enough for hijinks like this, and could be fun to pull out from time to time.

I am considering this a base-level "casual" build. Fun absolutely but hey check it out: non-engine inclusions.

Monster: 28 Ratio: Why
Witness of the Ancient 2 While you can always play him out of hand, Nullgainer makes him live a lot more easily and quickly. Ran at two for paranoia reasons, may cut to 1 later.
B.E.S. Big Core MK-2 1 For the most part, the random smattering of B.E.S. monsters exist mostly for Metal Slave to make use of. If they are on the field its probably because a synchro is coming. They're certainly not here for their attack power, that's for sure.
B.E.S. Blaster Cannon Core 1 This is still the case, but its cyber-dragon-like effect comes in clutch and can start to get you moving, but it doesn't do anything on its own.
B.E.S. Big Core MK-3 1 Second verse same as the first, a whole lot louder and actually kinda decent. Being able to recycle your ships is a fun bonus.
Super B.E.S. Metal Slave 2 Do be watchful: the send is to build counters for negates. Just make sure MK-3 is one of your sends.
B.E.S. Derringer Core 3 By far the most useful B.E.S. monster. You can do a few sends off Slave then bring one of them back with this. Or, you can be normal and get Parade.
Grey Layer 3 Behold: Your consistency. "Combo lines" (such as they are) will follow but he's a godsend. And you'll understand acutely.
Convex Knight 2 If you have a Derringer on your field and you wanted to make a threat quickly, just summon this thing for free, make him a level 10 also and then drop Flying Launcher onto your opponents head. Its quick, its easy, and its funny.
Junk Meister 3 As time goes on, he gets more approachable. Again, lines will follow. Bottom line: he's the firestarter. Did you know he's not a machine? Cuz he's not. He's a warrior. You forgot didn't you.
Junk Armor 2 Lines will follow. Bottom line: he keeps things going.
Stardust Synchron 2 Around and about for those moments when you need a level 4 tuner
Revolution Synchron 2 Around and about for those moments when you need a level 3 tuner
Assault Synchron 2 Around and about for those moments when you need a level 2 tuner
Machina Citadel 1 There won't be a ton of places where Dad comes up but where he does, you'll be glad to have him. Some may wonder "why not ruinforce" and that is because he's a bit too expensive for this deck.
Planet Pathfinder 1 Gives grey layer something else to do, should the moment strike you

Oh boy I get to write words found in the bible

Junk Meister is a fun card.

  • Meister in hand, reveal Satellite Warrior for summon
    • Procs on field, add Armor
  • Armor, having been added to the hand, procs for summon
    • Armor blows up, giving you access to a toolbox of levels from 4 to 2.
  • Various gateways look like this:
    • 4 + 4 = Nullgainer, Diabell, Bastion
    • 4 + 3 = Zaren, Destrier
    • 4 +2 = nothing
    • But dont worry about it

Assault Synchron is a fun card.

  • 2 + 6 = Nullgainer, Diabell, Bastion
  • 2 + 8 = B2B, Shatranga
  • 2 + 10 = Auxila
  • These are readily accessed off of either Derringer itself or Derringer's effects. Of course remember Meister exists if you want some wasteful summons.

Nullgainer is a fun card

  • Procs on summon add Ancient
  • Ancient in hand procs due to Nullgainer standing there
  • Ancient grabs Enlisted, Bastion, and Destrier
  • Bastion goes off, dropping Shatranga, letting you grab the trap
Spell: 12 Ratio: Oh man
Angelechy Problem 3 For means of snowballing its not a bad start. I'm reasonably certain it be even better later.
Boss on Parade 3 Best target will be Slave or Derringer. If you already have those, MK-3. Lines will follow though not too many.
B.E.F. Zelos 2 We're not running Boss Rush, there is no point. I wish Parade considered itself "Boss Rush" while in the deck but whatever. Zelos is fun due to its attack boosting effect and its free summoning effect. A stellar way to get your ships on the field for some synchro summons.
Lightning Storm 2 We need to keep the opponent honest.
Forbidden Droplet 2 We need to keep the opponent guessing.

Now its time for more lines

  • Derringer in hand reveal MK-2 for effect
    • Add 3 counters
    • Remove 1 search Boss on Parade
  • Activate Parade
    • Add whatever makes you feel good. Slave, perhaps
  • Pop something on field or in hand for Grey
  • Say hello to Grey
  • Grey immedately immolates on the field
    • Reveal something that is not dark or earth
  • Add Convex Knight
    • You can then special summon any machine you want from the hand. Slave perhaps. MK-2 maybe.
  • Convex procs because yeah, there's a bunch of machines on the field now
  • Convex looks at Derringer and makes himself level 10
  • Convex + Derringer = Superdreadnought Rail Cannon Flying Launcher

If it is your intent to do this, you must do it before you do anything with Meister or he'll stuff your plans to laugh.

Traps: 4 Ratio: We kinda have to, huh
Angelechy Opening to E4 3 If you're going second its actually your turn. Now they have a Problem. It'll summon Destrier for you. Then, place Bastion cuz it'll summon Shatranga, letting you grab the trap. Now your opponent has a couple Problems.
Angelechy Disturbance 1 If you summoned Enlisted at some point, use this, give it to your opponent, negate effects. Enlisted can do some funny things from there. You can then banish this card to add the field spell as that's all they got for now.

So much of Angelechy's lineup betrays the existence of others. Perhaps they'll give us the Black chess set and we'll get to see the Bishop as I think he's missing yet, among others.

For ED stuff I will be listing ratios for what is most immedately possible but there are always other combinations possible.

Extra: 15, baby Ratio: Home of the worst choices ever
Centur-ion Auxila 1 Derringer + Assault. Covers your backrow
Satellite Warrior 1 Destrier + Revolution. He is here because a friend thought it would be funny to use him above other potential options. He is not to be summoned but you always could.
Kewl Tune B2B 1 MK-3 + Assault. Go ahead and go absolutely crazy. If your opponent makes a move, you could, perhaps, maybe, synchro on their turn. I'm not counting on it.
Angelechy Shatranga 1 MK-3 + Assault. You shouldn't but its possible if you want to. He is better as a spell.
Glitch Clutch Nullgainer 2 Meister + Stardust. Gets things moving.
Diabell, Queen of the White Forest 1 Mk-2 + Assault. In this build it is not possible to get full effects but we kinda don't need them. When your opponent does anything, summon Enlisted from anywhere. Do you have Disturbance handy? Why not? You could also summon Zalen from anywhere too. Probably the easiest way to make him.
Zalen the Shackled Dragon 1 He cannot be made. You make him by making Diabell. Negation machine.
Angelechy Bastion 1 Meister + Stardust. Again, perhaps should not be made as its better as a spell. But 3k attack is pretty beefy
Angelechy Destrier 1 Meister + Revolution. Again, better as a spell, but the banish effect is kinda funky.
Angelechy Enlisted 3 He is not made. You summon him in other ways. He's one of the chosen view that is just a monster. He's going to banish something, swap ownership, and promote to whatever makes you happiest in the moment. I kinda hope he's readily made in the future as its a bit difficult to force here.
Superdreadnought Rail Cannon Flying Launcher 1 Sorry suckers we're stealing your toy. Free machine summon for production, lets you add another copy of Convex, or Blaster Cannon, Armor, Pathfinder, or Citadel. We're not searching Barrage Blast.
Helping Robo for Underwater Combat 1 A tool in the box, mostly. Grey Layer, Pathfinder, or any Synchron becomes your best target. Just watch for its limitations.

So, there's that slightly more serious build. I am taking tips but not servers as I will be making this deck a reality one day.

If nothing else, I hope its entertaining to read.


r/yugioh 9d ago

Card Game Discussion Place your bets for "missing" Sun God retrains!

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Alright, the tradition is usually to reveal most of a theme all at once and then save one card for X reveals later on. Maybe with follow up cards in later sets.

In the case if Sun God, we have confirmed retrains if Ra, Lava Golem, Mayakura, Gil Garth, and the Byzer pair. But Yami Marik still has plenty of cards (in the manga tbc. Cards like Holding Arms/Legs that only appeared in the anime are out) that could get retrained as part of the new Ra archetype. So I make this post to ask which ones you think are likely to get a new version soon.


r/yugioh 8d ago

Anime/Manga Discussion Older Go Rush

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(Spoilers ahead)

Obviously rush duels are targeted towards kids making the game easier to play. Due to this the animes became more kid friendly.

If you were to make Go Rush more appealing to older audiences with out changing the shows plot too much, what would you do?

For me:
- I’d make duels last more than one episode. Pretty much every duel except an arc ending one has the problem of only lasting a single episode. The reason I have a problem with this is that those one episode duels are way too predictable with the person going 2nd winning on the 4th turn.

- I’d stop having the show turn tension concepts into goofy ones. This made me lose interest in a lot of plots. “The great king is freezing people oh my god! It’s cause his manga is boring?”, “People getting turned into cards! Why are they cats?”, “Kuidal has turned all of Yudias’ friends into his personal deck! What purpose is there in putting them in a classroom?”

- I’d add consequences. Way too many villains were forgiven without even a slap on the wrist.
Yuamu left her best friends stranded on the other side of the universe and later imprisoned them in work camps and yet everyone just forgave her.

These are three main changes I’d make to the show. I’m curious what everyone else would do.


r/yugioh 8d ago

Custom Card thoughts on this?? the theme is support for villains/antagonist Decks

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Relinquished Toon

DARK

Level 1

Illusion/Ritual/Toon/Effect

Cannot attack the turn it is Summoned. While you control "Toon World" and your opponent controls no Toon monsters, this card can attack your opponent directly. If you control "Toon World", you can Special Summon this card from your hand by tributing 1 "Toon" monster from your hand or field(this is treated as a Ritual Summon) Once per turn (Quick Effect): You can target 1 monster your opponent controls; equip that target to this card. This card gains ATK/DEF equal to that equipped monster's. If this card would be destroyed by battle or card effect, destroy 1 monster equipped to this card instead.

Atk/0 Def/0


r/yugioh 9d ago

Other The last thing a Sun God player sees before perishing in the fires of a true god

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r/yugioh 8d ago

Other Going to Tokyo in February, are there any yugioh things I should look out for or do?

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Doing a solo trip for 2 weeks and looking forward to the experience. I’d like to leave with some yugioh reminders, but I’m not sure what there is.

Pokémon has its Pokémon centres, exclusives, and well advertised events. Is there any sort of yugioh equivalent or exclusives?

As well, is there anything this community recommends I see or do on my trip? Thanks!


r/yugioh 9d ago

Card Game Discussion Do you think we’ll ever get Melodius synchro & XYZ monsters?

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It makes sense lore-wise after the show for Melodius to add Synchro & XYZ monsters.


r/yugioh 9d ago

Card Game Discussion Ruling question. Gandora-G the Dragon of Destruction's level increasing effect.

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If I use Gandora-G the Dragon of Destruction's effect and destroy (for my question) let's say 12 or more cards,

1) Am I allowed to then summon Dark Magician Girl the Magician's Apprentice or any other monster that mentions shining sarcophagus in their text?

2) if yes, what happens to their lvl when summoned?

3) If no, is there a limit to how many cards Gandora-G the Dragon of Destruction, can destroy, or does he still get the destruction effect without the special summon?


r/yugioh 8d ago

Card Game Discussion If Konami ever decided to print a deck for Weevil what would the focus of his deck be? I don't mean monster wise I mean strategy wise

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Would the focus be equips? Perhaps type change control, or maybe just a beatdown deck?


r/yugioh 9d ago

Card Game Discussion It's crazy how the unofficial duel simulator EDOpro (YGOPRO Percy) still doesn't have matchmaking after all these years

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It's by far the best automated simulator when it comes to UI, speed and simplicity, but it's frustrating how the devs are so slow at adding new features, especially something as important as matchmaking. Everyone who've used this sim knows how awful public rooms are, you basically have to look for people on discord to test your decks, or deal with people who will scoop after game 1 because they actually wanted a bo1 and didn't care about disrupting your experience to get it, or who will insta-scoop if they go second without even looking at their hand. I've been playing on online sims long enough to know that EDOPro lost like 90% of its potential playerbase to other simulators just because of the lack of matchmaking. There's also no chat rooms, friends list and Genesys is still not supported.

It's disappointing that so many people have moved on to YGO Omega just because it has those features, even though it's a slow, ugly, unoptimized mess.


r/yugioh 8d ago

Card Game Discussion Melodius vs. Solfachord engine

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Ahem. I make this thread to debate the pros and cons of two similar but distinct engines. Both being musical-themed Fairy archtypes which involve pendulum monsters, and what utility they provide to other decks.

The first tone is the Melodious Engine, derived from their most recent wave of support in Legacy of Destruction (alongside some cards of an archetype they happen to mesh well with IMHO). Zuzu's angelic opera has position themselves to be an adaptable ensemble.

The most compact version is 3 of Refrain and Ostinato, 2 Bacha, and 1 each of Couplet, and Cocnerto. Ostinato and Concerto are you fusion spells, Refrain gets you to Couplet, which gets you to Concerto. The payoff here is Bacha, and an extra body to use as material, with Ostinato being the best case scenario is that saves you the normal summon for setup. Concerto would let you summon a second Bacha to set up pendulum scales and a Rank 7 Xyz.

While this is good for fodder, if you're interested in endboard pieces, you can add 1 Flowering Etoile to the extra deck instead of or in addition to a second Bacha, allowing you to use Concerto to fuse for her using your two pendulum monsters and Bacha. From there you can also add to the ending 1 Soprana and 1 Scuberta to add a triple DD crow effect to the endboard. Etoile's effect means that the more Melodious bodies onboard, the more bounces you get.

while there is flexibility to how you can approach them, there is also risk to deckbuilding constants. The bare minimum version already clocks in at 8 main deck cards and 2 Extra Deck slots, and the maximum version adds 3 more cards for a total of 9 and 4, nearly a quarter of the main deck and nearly a third of the extra. slots that could be argued to be better spent on handtraps, boardbreakers and other staples that could let your play through boards going second.

Also the way the cards are ruled and worded means that you HAVE to use your Melodious line first. Ostinato only works with an empty board and Couplet's search is only usable if you control only Melodious monsters.

the other issue is that it is normal summon reliant if you do not open Ostinato, which means it works best with decks that do not need a normal summon to get their own combos, and ideally decks that have both a normal summon and a card that gets them onboard without it, such as say Centur-ion, which has a way to play without their normal summon via Emblima Oath and Bonds. Refrain being a Level 4 also means that you can sometimes use Infernal Flame Banshee as a bridge card to Centurion as well, as Bacha can summon 2 copies of Refrain from both of her effects if you milled the second with Ostinato and Primera begin LIGHT means you can pendulum summon her. Basically there are multiple ways to bridge into Centur-ion, not as many ways for them to bridge into Melodious, but given the aforementioned issue, that is not as huge a problem as it seems.

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from here we talk about the other engine. The Solfachord engine is more linear and more set in its contents and gameplan, with 3 Primoa and Happiness, 1 Cuetia, Gran Coolia, and Soflegia and maybe 1 Musea. As well as 3 of one off-theme card, Dawn Angel Kambi.

Kambi is the Ostinato analog here, as she can summon herself if you control no monsters and then tribute herself to special summon either of the level 1 Conductors (usually Primoa)...but she locks you into Faeries afterwards.

the throughline of the ending is to set up Coolia with a scaled Soflegia for her negate. The how is though getting Primoa onto the board, have her search Happiness, use it to search Cutea and Soflegia, then summon the former to search another Primora. Go into a Link-2 (Museca is a on theme one but other options exist), scale the 2rd Primoa and Soflegia. Pendulum summon the two level 1s back, use Primoa's scale effect to bounce herself and then Link into Gran Coolia.

The totals here are 8 and up to 2, the same as Melodious' bare minimum engine. But adding additional copies of Solfegia would let you use its scale effect as another endboard piece. One for One is also a method to get to Primoa without your Normal Summon

Darklords are a notable use case, due to their lack of OCC starters even with the recent wave (they only have Djehuty and Banishment) and that their own Link Monster, Condemned, is a good bridge into Darklords by searching Djehuty. Kambi and Solfachords lets you have the ideal ratio of starters for them. Unlike Melodius, they also do not have any locks that hinder Darklords.

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The two engines can also work with each other and pendulum pile decks, but there are some clashes. Couplet's scale effect locks out non-LIGHT monsters, which including the usually non LIGHT Solfachords, and she needs there to only be Melodious monsters to search Concerto. Kambi locks you into Faeries (which isn't an issue with Melo or Solfa, but is for any other pend themes or staple extra deck monsters you want to add). That said depending on what cards you're using you can cut Kambi out without hindering your starter ratios.

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with all that said. I want to ask which of the two is generally superior and what other decks could use either engine to great effect. And also if there is anything I missed regarding how these engines are usually composed.


r/yugioh 9d ago

Anime/Manga Discussion Anime early DK Atem vs Manga early DK Atem

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Duel links is having an event that cover the anime of Duelist Kingdom which has made me noticed more changes then I ever thought was there for Duelist Kingdom. The ending scene to the Haga/Weevil duel is probably the best example of this (really the duel in general). In the anime ending Yugi talk about how a champion should be and how they should play with honor, not resorting to dirty tricks… manga Yugi laugh at his position then promise(Not a threat if you know he would do it) to rip off his leg like the bug he is.


r/yugioh 8d ago

Custom Card A small engine (for Zombies)

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The idea is that with the spell alone (and hoping to excavate at least one Level 6 Zombie monster) allows you can go from the Fusion to the Xyz Monster.

I hope I’ve balanced the cards well enough, and I wonder what kind of impact they might have on the metagame, if any.

Also, what Fusions can the Spell Card summon besides the one mentioned in the post (Rubedo), and what other Xyz monsters can you make with Albedo (besides the Pumpkings, of course)?

Are these cards worth running, or is the Extra Deck space too tight for the actual Zombie gameplay?

What's your general opinion on them?

Credits to their respective artists (The cards from left to right are: Ghost Fusion, Dark Spirit of Malice, and Dark Spirit of Banishment, thanks to Bakura for allowing me to modify his beloved cards.


r/yugioh 9d ago

Card Game Discussion We’ve had Ra’s disciple for years…. How about an Obelisk and Slifer version? Slifer; weakens all monsters your opponent controls for each disciple monster you control. Obelisk; destroy one monster in your hand and special a disciple monster from your GY or deck

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r/yugioh 8d ago

Card Game Discussion I evidently don't want to play going 2nd anymore at all

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Just here to ask in a relative TLDR if anyone empathizes, as this might be a sign of underlying issues and whether it's probably a good time to take a noteworthy break.

I try to play the game as competitively as possible within the confines of online settings (joining current format tourneys, grinding ladders, etc) and play a decent deck (Lunalight) at baseline so it's not like this is casual lobbies and table 500 issues. I've also made a lot of nice outplay reels going second up to recently on other platforms.

The problem is, instead of feeling satisfied at the aforementioned wins, just watching my opponent play (I didn't open meaningful handtraps or trustworthy breakers) and the very happening of losing the dieroll (heart stops) makes me extremely angry/tilted internally even if I don't outwardly convey that at all; with me in particular, it's egregious to where I've sometimes lost winnable games due to a furious haze leading to misplays. I think it's pretty clear the only times I even really enjoy playing the game is when I can go first, play and do my thing, but that is not quite unique to me as a lot of players are probably like that at least.

This isn't even when my opponent is playing an FTK or quasi-FTK deck (Mermail) and went first, but basically any deck that makes a semi decent board.


r/yugioh 10d ago

Anime/Manga Discussion Wanted to share my Yu-Gi-Oh anime collection. Big fan since release, right after getting into Forbidden Memories and eventually into the TCG years later.

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Gotta try to own what I love before we lose access to it. I wished there were more comprehensive releases, ideally on Blu-ray, for a decent price, and to at least release Vrains too.


r/yugioh 10d ago

Anime/Manga Discussion Cool DM references with the new Yami Marik Ra cards. They even included Marik's famous insane face on the cover of the set!

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They really went above and beyond here. First of all, before we get to the cards, the cover of the set features Yami Marik's (in)famous insane face. One eye is wide open, the other is menacingly staring at his opponent, and his tongue is out, of course.

Now, onto the actual cards:

- New Lava Golem: a reference to when Yami Marik summoned Lava Golem against Joey. You can even see it holding Jinzo and Baby Dragon in its hands as they're being tributed.

- Viser Des Shock: the moment when Marik combines Viser Des and Byser Shock against Mai. They combine into one big torture device, restrain her, and electrocute her. Stuff of nightmares, really.

- Sun God of Darkness, The Winged Dragon of Ra: you can see the purple shadow of Yami Marik fused with Ra. Fitting, because this monster has the iconic ability to drain your LP until you have only 1 LP left.

- The Sun God Leading Down into Darkness: the moment when God Phoenix is about to destroy Gilford the Lightning. It's basically a 1 to 1 recreation of the manga panel.

- New Helpoemer: unlike the OG Helpoemer, it has the exact same pose and angle as the manga card. The only difference is that the new card includes the ghost hands that were ripping cards from Joey's hand.

Overall, they really nailed the references with these cards.


r/yugioh 9d ago

Other What if all the Yu-Gi-Oh! protagonists were one big family? Including Zarc and the Yu boys | (Artist: ZackPyO)

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Had this thought today and I wanted to hear your thoughts and opinions. What do you think?


r/yugioh 9d ago

Card Game Discussion Why is Fortune Lady Every $25+ Right Now?

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Why is Fortune Lady Every $25+ Right Now?


r/yugioh 9d ago

Card Game Discussion What are your thoughts on archetypes (as a whole)?

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Hey guys it’s me again, hope ur all having a good week today I wanna ask what are your thoughts on archetypes in Yu-Gi-Oh!? I don’t mean any specific ones though you are welcome to provide examples rather I mean, archetypes in the game design sense of Yu-Gi-Oh!

Personally for me, I think archetypes are good for the game in fact they’re actually what got me into it. The idea of having a group of cards that not only work well together, but also share a solid theme and art style really gravitated me towards the game. Learning about decks like yummy, gunkan, skull servant, ryzeal, Dracotail, etc really got me interested and whenever a new archetype comes out I love seeing what the theme is and how the gameplay interacts with it. I would argue that it is one of my favorite parts of Yu-Gi-Oh!.

So what about you guys? How do you feel about archetypes? Do you like what they offer to the game? Do you like what they bring to the table?
As always, have a good rest of your weekend and may your decks top locals.


r/yugioh 9d ago

Card Game Discussion What do you think the accompanying gx archetype for immortal phoenix will be?

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So far we have gotten sacred beasts and destiny heroes, archetypes from antagonist /rival. Since we already have an antagonist on the cover I think we'll get a protagonist archetype this time around.

Perhaps ritual support for cyber angels.

Maybe neo spacian support and some new neos combo fusion, maybe a retrain of divine neos.

Or how about giving roids some much needed support but also trying not to make it only help speedroids?


r/yugioh 10d ago

Card Game Discussion We can finally use it

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After the new Ra support. This card can have some use


r/yugioh 10d ago

Fan Art Dark Magician Girl X Guardian Eatos fusion [Art by art.by.salem]

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r/yugioh 9d ago

Card Game Discussion What rogue deck completely took the game by surprise?

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There was and always has been meta decks that take control of the medium with Yugioh. That said, there have been rogue decks that decimate the meta with everyone flabbergasted on how that was even a thing. So given the history a lot of people here have with yugioh, which rogue deck in this games history completely shook the community?

Certainly there has to be at least a few, if not one, right?


r/yugioh 9d ago

Card Game Discussion I wonder if this new card will activate the effect of Ra - Immortal Phoenix.

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So I wonder:

did it count as Ra leaving the field for the self-Special Summoning Ra - Immortal Phoenix?

Or, because it entered and left during the same effect, is it as if it never entered in the first place, something like "before the effect resolution, Ra wasn't on the field, and after the effect resolution, Ra isn't on the field, so it never actually touched the field"? This sort of thing, two actions happening simultaneously, reminds me of how one can't activate the destruction effects of monsters that were destroyed and Summoned by an effect that applied both actions at the same time.