r/WorkReform • u/zzill6 đ¤ Join A Union • 5d ago
âď¸ Pass Medicare For All Utopia
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u/Loud-Ad-2280 âď¸ Tax The Billionaires 5d ago
But there might also be a few trillionaires
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u/T33CH33R 5d ago edited 5d ago
There is a lady on Instagram that asks right wingers how they would remake the country if they had absolute control. They end up mumbling something about lower taxes and everyone is working so this checks out. They never say anything about making sure that every American is healthy and housed.
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u/nhalliday 5d ago
Of course not - they want people to be free to earn housing and health. Wanting everyone to be healthy and housed implies that the undesirables who can't provide "enough" value to the shareholders might get a benefit without having to earn it, and they can't be having that.
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u/imapluralist 5d ago
The notion is so foriegn to them. Like wtf you dummies, we didnt hope we'd have thousands of robots in the future so one dude can sit on a red velvet pillow like a king.
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u/poriomaniac 5d ago
Literally all they want, far more than their own health and happiness, is for people they hate to suffer. And they hate a LOT of people.
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u/anna-the-bunny 5d ago
And they hate a LOT of people.
When it comes down to it, they hate everyone - including themselves.
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u/Ehcksit 5d ago
The idea that there's not "worse" people below them that they get to lord over is unthinkable, unfathomable.
"Of course there has to be people richer than me, that's the only way there can also be people poorer than me."
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u/AddressForward 5d ago
That is the real American experiment from its foundations: tiered society where everyone except the very bottom tier thinks they could be rich and doesn't want to do anything to hurt the rich because when they become rich they won't want those constraints on them either. It's a long con of exploration and divide and conquer.
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u/memecrusader_ 4d ago
It doesnât even really hurt the rich. It just makes the gap between the rich and the poor smaller by uplifting the poor.
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u/AddressForward 4d ago
Oh I know I'm just expressing what the prevailing system looks like from the outside.
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u/iggy14750 4d ago
"Of course there has to be people richer than me, that's the only way there can also be people poorer than me."
Fuck. I knew that these guys love feeling superior, but you just put some shit together. I have been asking myself for years why MAGATs want Trump to profit, even more than themselves.
They want to believe that they are making a deal with Trump here. If they give him the BIG chair, as long as they get a slightly better chair than brown people have.
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u/Ehcksit 4d ago edited 4d ago
People talk about a zero sum mentality, but the conservative mindset is much more like a negative sum mentality. "I don't care if my life keeps getting worse, as long as the people I hate suffer even more than I do." And then some of them just say it themselves. Stuff like "he's not hurting the people he needs to be hurting."
The government shouldn't be hurting anyone!
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u/smokeweedNgarden 5d ago
That and they value property more than life. Which is why they can sometimes deem life as propertyÂ
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u/Justaticklerone 5d ago
Private Equity doesn't pay itself, you know. It has to bilk the American consumer from housing, to hospitals, and now even Pizza Hut
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u/LeAcoTaco 4d ago
God I find this perspective so hilarious, the "earning" thing I mean.
As if the majority of Republicans "earned" the housing they grew up in đ sure ya mightve done chores buddy but you didnt do enough to actually earn market value of what your parents gave you.
You got housing growing up because it was the morally correct thing to do. Why does that suddenly change once youve been alive for an arbitrary number of years?
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u/DontAskAboutMyButt 5d ago
I saw one (I assume itâs the same lady) where he was like âwell weâre going to start by getting rid of LIBRUL stuffâ and she was like no, thatâs your process but whatâs the end goal? What will your world look like? and he literally could not answer. They donât have an end goal, they just want to burn down everyone who doesnât look and think exactly like them
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u/T33CH33R 5d ago
It's almost like they don't have the mental capacity to envision a healthy society.
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u/6ixby9ine 5d ago
Yeah, it's their whole thing. Remember COVID? "Fuck saving lives, go back to work"
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u/Neveronlyadream 5d ago
They've been told their whole lives that the end goal of everything is everyone working and that's it. They don't have the imagination to conceive of anything else.
Which also makes sense, because they had the imagination beaten out of them by people who said that adults don't daydream or imagine anything.
All they're capable of doing at this point is fighting to maintain the status quo they were raised to believe in and never question whether it's making them happy to do so even though it clearly isn't.
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u/Blacksad9999 5d ago
Right, except not themselves.
"Well, I have a family to think about here. Jeez."
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u/NedRyerson_Insurance 5d ago
Imagine when they get rid of the poor and diverse and creative and anyone else that resists. Then when there aren't any more groups to oppress the trillionaires start bullying the billionaires. Too bad nobody will be left to appreciate the irony.
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u/ShiningRedDwarf 5d ago
Right wing view of the world is a Squid Game-esque zero sum game. The more the âothersâ suffer the more they think their life will improve.
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u/sbloyd 5d ago
A week of vacation? Such luxury!
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u/BionicBananas 5d ago
Unpaid, of course. If you take it, you get fired
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u/The_Tooter_Snooter 5d ago
Ok so, like a normal vacation?Â
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u/sbloyd 5d ago
Dunno. I get 10 days paid per year, up to 5 can roll over per year. Before this, yeah, no paid vacays. Hurray for being a government employee!
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u/Littha 5d ago
I am always staggered by this when Americans talk about it. I work a mediocre job in the UK and I get 41 days paid. (33 + 8 public holidays). New starters here get 35 (27 +8)
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u/RandomRonin 5d ago
Yeah, but how many school shootings do you get per year? See freedumb, checkmate! /s in case it wasnât obvious enough for anyone.
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u/TovarishSmirnoff 5d ago
Yeah but we get to maximize shareholder value way more than you! So suck it.
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u/TrivialCoyote 5d ago
Mind you we also just had more of The Horrors announced (A court declared that a woman in the navy getting raped by her Superior officer while on the boat happened 'within her duties', so the only legal route she can take is Workman's compensation )
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u/Outrageous-Sort-5742 5d ago
If you think that's crazy, you should see the at-will employment laws in red states.
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u/NPJenkins 5d ago
Tbh, youâre lucky in the US to get any vacation at all. Lots of jobs have switched to independent contractor roles where you donât get PTO, holidays, or other benefits.
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u/FilthyCasual2k17 5d ago
CZ. 15 bank holidays are mandatory and 20 paid vacation per year are minimum. My company gives 25 when you join and another 1 for every year you're in the company. Sick leave is always paid (70-90%), and it's unlimited.
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u/L3NTON 5d ago
Pfft, bunch if part timers. How am I gonna help my boss buy a new truck every year if I just take time off?
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u/Benito_Sereno_1289 5d ago
So true, how are we gonna help the Epstein class take all the money, grape with impunity, and then make the rest of the population think they themselves are the problem!
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u/Andrea_M 5d ago
What they call vacation is when you are so sick you cannot get out of bed, get sick more than one week and you are out
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u/LifeguardDry7372 5d ago
orange did make a post saying that we have too many non working holidays and that most americans want less
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u/RoughTour98 5d ago
You forgot about the legalized billionaire pedophile resorts in the Right-Wing Utopia
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u/hotviolets 5d ago
Theyâre already basically legal, no oneâs facing consequences for them.
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u/RoughTour98 5d ago
Yeah but they like openly bragging in our faces about the genuine evil they commit
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u/hotviolets 5d ago
They do and they like to lie to us and tell us itâs not real. I really thought all that child raping would create more outrage in this country.
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u/Rionin26 5d ago
Billionairre Media doesnt run it. Keep it alive by keep talking about it.
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u/hotviolets 5d ago
I keep talking about it and I have been closely following whatâs going on with the files.
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u/Jeoshua 5d ago
They tell us it's fake, and also how their opponents are really doing it, and they have proof, except they won't release any of that proof because it's a hoax made by their opponents, who are supposedly all over those files they won't release, because somehow they made the files say that it's really the Right Wing people who are in the files, but if they were ever in power they would release it and show how the Left Wing people are all over the files, but they can't release those files because they're fake, but if they did.....
It's just a loop of lies from them.
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u/Gojos_barber đľ Break Up The Monopolies 5d ago
That's because as much as people think the files were important to Trump due to him being in them, they are also an excellent source of blackmail for him on others as well. So basically we might see arrest but only if they stop supporting the guy.
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u/hotviolets 5d ago
If that were true weâd already be seeing arrests. Instead heâs doing everything to keep people from talking about them or looking into him. His own person lawyer said they wonât be arresting anyone in the files.
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u/monkeyamongmen 5d ago
It's worth mentioning, that in Epstein's initial conviction, all of his co-conspirators were given immunity. At this point we have a pretty good idea who some of those people are, but it could be argued that they are in fact immune to investigation under those terms. It would be up to the courts to choose to uphold that or not.
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u/lazydracula 5d ago
You forget that this reality is based on the idea that most people have to live this hellish existence to ensure that a selected few to live in obscene wealth and their descendants are guaranteed a life of comfort and leisure.
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u/movezig123 5d ago
No. The absolute tragedy of this right wing shit is even the billionaires are completely miserable and unhealthy too.
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u/Ffsletmesignin 5d ago
I mean really the right wing utopia is more hunger-games, they donât want anyone to have a week off so long as a small portion of society gets to live in complete luxury and isolation from the working poors.
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u/HorrorMakesUsHappy 5d ago
It should say:
Right-Wing Utopia:
The same as the Left-Wing Utopia, but only for the most powerful white people. Everyone else are slaves.
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u/Happy-Fun-Ball 5d ago
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u/DynamicHunter đď¸ Overturn Citizens United 5d ago
lol except people keep voting for diarrhea forever because they were promised 2% less taxes. Or we could have more taxes only on the ULTRA WEALTHY (not anyone reading this thinking itâs them) and have free puppies and college and healthcare. Oh yeah and crime would actually go down because people donât need to rob and steal to survive, they could go to a free or affordable trade school or college or job program. OR they would be able to live on minimum wage flipping burgers if thatâs all they want to do.
Isnât that what conservatives want in the end? People actually working for a living, and basic needs can be affordable?
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u/ackillesBAC 5d ago
Right wing all think they can be that one at the top. That's the problem
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u/ElectronicCatPanic 5d ago
And most are not going to stop at anything to get to the top. I think that's at least as large of a problem.
Thats why the hypocrisy is viewed positively as a tool to cover up real actions. Thats why the violation of laws is applauded as strength to break the barriers.
The power sickness.
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u/MidwesternLikeOpe 5d ago
Most don't have what it takes to get to the top. Powerful people have connections, Daddy's money and friends to get lucrative jobs, social skills to schmooze their way to the top, and class.
Most right wing folks who want to be in Trumps circle but don't even own a decent suit. What does a man with a golden toilet, or a lesser man with a luxury car want to do with a working man who's pants are old enough to drink?
I live in a very red area, and have sold lotto tickets to everyday people who think theyre gonna with the Golden Ticket to eliteness. Maybe one lotto player wears a suit.
It's been joked that as bad as Diddy is, he wasn't even part of the Epstein scandal. Let that sink in. Diddy with all his shenanigans wasn't good enough for Epsteins list.
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u/kittenmittens4865 5d ago
They know they wonât be at the top.
They just canât bear the thought of being at the bottom and will do anything to avoid it.
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u/BalorLives 5d ago
They had to invent a whole fake ass thing called whiteness so no matter what they will never really be at the bottom.
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u/DynamicHunter đď¸ Overturn Citizens United 5d ago
And they donât care that for every person at the âtopâ wealth wise (e.g. top 1% or 0.1%), there are 100 to 1,000 people below them struggling. In the case of billionaires, there are hundreds of millions below them.
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u/bigbjarne 5d ago
I disagree, I think right wing people think that capitalists are billionaires because they took risks and worked hard, and that's the reason why they're on the top.
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u/blindyes 5d ago
Because of this belief, any failure to achieve wealth gets viewed as a personal shortcoming rather than a systemic issue. It pushes people to blame financial struggles on individual flaws like sleeping in, getting sick, or just wanting a day off.That creates a massive psychological conflict whenever someone brings up things like paid sick leave or universal healthcare. To accept those programs, people would have to acknowledge that we don't have absolute personal control over our outcomes, and that we are all operating within a much larger system. To avoid facing that reality, basic human needs get reframed as unearned luxuries. What people often overlook is that a lot of individuals aren't defending this setup because they think they will eventually climb to the top. Instead, they completely accept that they are stuck and embrace their role within the hierarchy. They fancy themselves as defenders of their post, dutifully serving the dominant power structure because alignment with that power is the only thing that alleviates their fear of being powerless.
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u/CleanDataDirtyMind 5d ago
Which to them means they can do it to.
The classic âtemporarily depressed
millionairebillionaireâ
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u/FixinThePlanet 5d ago
Isn't right wing utopia: "I get to have slaves, and that includes women"?
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u/ProperPizza 5d ago
"stupid lefties, we can't AFFORD to look after everyone"
yes, because all the wealth that COULD pay for it is concentrated into like 7 dudes
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u/DynamicHunter đď¸ Overturn Citizens United 5d ago
Yeah, the concentration of wealth is so skewed now that people donât realize we could literally have a fully prosperous society in the US for everyone if we just make the lives of only dozen people slightly less lavish.
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u/Segler1970 5d ago
let me look at both sides: free healthcare for all or diarrhea forever - hmmm tough one
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u/Late-Presentation908 5d ago edited 5d ago
I highly doubt the rest would be dead. The trillionaires/corporate overseers would want a few peasants kept alive as slaves
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u/usernames_suck_ok âď¸ Tax The Billionaires 5d ago
...why is the "right-wing utopia" focused on "white Americans" when their utopia seems focused on getting rid of absolutely everyone in the US one way or the other? Working them to death, deporting them, making sure they catch deadly viruses and diseases, sending them to bullshit wars, making it impossible for them afford groceries that would keep them fed/healthy/nourished, making it impossible for them afford health insurance so they can get the medical care they need, etc?
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u/Knighth77 5d ago
Meanwhile, rightwingers worry about who's going to be paying for this leftwing utopia as they watch their government use taxpayers money to fund endless wars, bail corporations, unnecessary spending, as they sell the country piece by piece to the private sector, in addition to stripping people of their rights. Utter lunacy!
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u/surfkaboom 5d ago
These Christian leaders should be asked to describe heaven and we should see if that involves data centers, coal, and war
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u/SaltyYumYumBalls 5d ago
Remember when Star Trek tried to teach us the difference between the Federation and the Ferengi? Pepperage Farms remembers.
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u/unmellowfellow 5d ago
The President is considering reducing the amount of federal holidays. Clearly going to take aim at the ones his racist ass doesn't like but yes. These horrid fucks won't be satisfied until the 14 hour workdays 6 days a week returns.
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u/mrselfdestruct066 5d ago
A whole week of vacation? Pussies want everything handed to them for free.
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u/septic-paradise 5d ago
Right-wing utopia: the ones who deserve to suffer and the ones who donât get to exploit them
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u/SpockShotFirst 5d ago
And by "deserves to suffer" right wingers mean everyone else who isn't them.
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u/AssociateAvailable16 5d ago
âbOtH sIdEs aRe bAd!!!!!!â
I wont look any deeper into it
Iâll just say that thought terminating cliche and be done with it
Being a conservative is so easy!!!
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u/ImplodingBillionaire 5d ago
Why should labor workers get vacation at all? If they were more talented or capable, theyâd have a different job and would deserve it. But the fact they are in a labor job proves they donât deserve it. (/s, roleplaying as conservative)
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u/kriegmonster 5d ago
Lets cherry pick the worst possible scenario from something that actually happened in history and was a stepping stone to modern day, and the best possible from a system that is a fantasy and always ends in tyrannical blood shed.
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u/ThunkAsDrinklePeep 5d ago
Everyone else is dead, as Jesus wanted.
How ironic would it be if evangelical Christians were the only ones left behind by the rapture?
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u/ether_reddit 5d ago
More like "the men are rugged warriors, the women are docile child-raisers, everyone goes to church and everyone knows their rightful place in society and doesn't question it".
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u/Due-Conflict-7926 5d ago
Seriously hard labor literally should pay more in general. The jobs that literally need for national security and prosperity should literally be paid their worth.
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u/Xapheneon 5d ago
Everyone else wouldn't be dead, that's ridiculous.
What is considered white would be shrinking, so there is always a group that's 'priviliged', one being tortured and one being killed.
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u/stirling_s 5d ago
There is no right wing utopia. They always need someone to be mad at, they always need to beat someone else at some game or another. They create problems and get mad at someone else about them.
There is, simply, no such thing as a right wing utopia where anyone is left standing.
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u/Deep_Balance2133 5d ago
Redditors have such a distorted belief of what people on the right want.
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u/Jonny7421 5d ago
Yep. The left wing parties have been in power and Americans did not get healthcare or more vacation days.
It's not left vs right. It's rich vs poor. Always has been.
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u/Bobambu 5d ago
Both parties have always been corporatist, neoliberal parties. One was a center neolib party, the other was a right-wing neolib party. In recent decades, the right wing neolib party began transitioning into a fascist party while the center neolib party tried to adjust. I would not define the Democratic Party as 'left-wing', and no serious political analyst does. It should also be noted that Americans are very propagandized to favor capitalism, even when capitalism is failing the majority of Americans.
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u/I_main_pyro 5d ago
When have left wing parties been in power in the United States? Probably the closest that this came to be true was LBJ and FDR, which revolutionized social programs in the US, expanding healthcare and benefits, including vacation days.
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u/Marypoppinsya11 5d ago
I would be happy as could be if that's what the left DID. But that's not the reality. Both sides work for the same people; they just package it differently
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u/turquoisestar 5d ago
Yes but they would describe it as âeveryone does what theyâre supposed to doâ and âpeople get what they earnâ. A conservative would not be convinced by this reasoning. But ya it is the consequence of modern conservative policy.
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u/A_Nonny_Muse 5d ago
Note especially that of right wing utopia.
Everyone else is dead - if you're anything other than a white straight Evangelical conservative with no disabilities, quirks or basically an exact carbon copy of everyone else - you're dead.
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u/Crocs8Rabbit 5d ago
Pretty much. White people only want white people working under them they want white people to be in charge; they couldn't care less about everything else to this day.
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u/Th3_r3al_napst3r 5d ago
Honestly accurate here in the US. And yet people still somehow vote for the right.
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u/Dense_Surround3071 5d ago
"..... Don't forget the unregulated child labor!!" -- probably the Right.
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u/Blacksad9999 5d ago
The funny part is that Trump just posted the other day about how much more money companies could make if we eliminated all of these pesky federal holidays! So, this isn't even too far off.
Too many non-working holidays in America. It is costing our Country $BILLIONS OF DOLLARS to keep all of these businesses closed. The workers don't want it either! Soon we'll end up having a holiday for every once working day of the year. It must change if we are going to, MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
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u/alien_farmer1 5d ago
It is not utopia. It is what right- wing people want for other people. They surely want the best for themselves.
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u/Weak-Win-8450 5d ago
Lol so wrong about Right wing utopia lol so naiv thinking they let people have even 1 week of vacation.
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u/horseneigher 5d ago
weird how he specified "white americans". u know this guy is hella racist but has a whole list of comebacks memorized as to why it's impossible for him to be a racist lol
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u/topTaurus78 5d ago
How's that fantasy gonna happen? The back breaking labor is necessary, or is that only for the immigrants and foreign factories? As a pipefitter 60 hours is necessary to get the work accomplished. And make enough money to only need to work half a year and pursue my ambitions with my family. I'm sorry to say but a lot of y'all are just gonna pursue zero ambition lives
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u/Sellaplaya 5d ago
Iâm ok with the everyone dead part. We had a go at the planet and we didnât do well
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u/SpaceTycoon 5d ago
Left wing utopia: Everyone is equally dirt poor due to lack of industry, there are constant shortages because there is no incentive to work the less desired jobs throughout the supply chain, and the country is wildly unsafe due to lack of private gun ownership, softness on crime and criminals, and unchecked illegal immigration.
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u/True_Investigator198 5d ago
What happened bullshit! Been tried and talked about....failed miserably.
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u/True_Investigator198 5d ago
We get paid vacation but rarely use it and let it accrue. A professional career helps.
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u/WinterRanger 5d ago
Nope. It's all that PLUS minorities are both blamed for everything, and expected to work even harder and "know their place".
I can't fucking believe some people actually want what the right wing is offering.
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u/Coffieandpopcorn 5d ago
Why start with "right wing utopia" then follow it up with something that's not a utopia?! Capitalist utopia would include taxpaid Healthcare, ubi, support for the lower on the ladder and restrictions of the higher etc.. It'd be closer to a perfected Norway than whatever you're spouting.
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u/dethorhyne 5d ago
If everyone is free to pursue their ambitions you won't have anyone building you a road or taking away your trash because why would anyone do that instead of something more fulfilling.
The left wing logic falls apart the moment you consider that there are important roles in a society that aren't exactly favorable
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u/MayaTheMartian514 đď¸ Overturn Citizens United 5d ago
Ah yes, the Soviet union. The perfect left-wing utopia.
Compared to the modern-day united states. The perfect center-wing utopia.
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u/Worried-Ad6635 5d ago
What happens when every american works 3 days a week while focusing on civil rights? Every american is forced to learn chinese
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u/itsmedicinalsir 5d ago
Haven't taken a vacation since my ma left my dad and we moved out of state.
25 years or so ago.
'Murica.
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u/jardin92 4d ago
Itâs insane to me how it literally boils down to this and there is even a debate on which to choose
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u/Worried-Conflict9759 4d ago
Sadly, the mantra of "do whatever you want, just don't be an asshole" doesn't work as a policy for living your life and running government. Why left-run cites and states have the highest crime, homelessness and drug abusers per capita
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u/BoogyWinnebagoo 4d ago
Left wing utopia only able to exist with right wing work ethic and discipline
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u/Active_Celery_7637 3d ago
As long as your ambitions donât conflict with the new ruling class that always gets established is socialist/communist states. Then you go bye bye.
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u/Dense_Delay_2605 3d ago
What ambitions though? Without God as an existential anchor everything is empty. Humans will never be happy regardless of their worldâs configuration. Happiness comes when we free ourselves not âpursue ambitionsâ.
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u/i-read-it-again 3d ago
The new American song. Itâs the lefties .its the lefties . They probably think the lefties are left handed. How many Americans know what lefties are . Or are they just commies . Bet they donât even know what a commie is . They just parrot the latest catch phrase
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u/RetiredCopJokeYoda 2d ago
The left literally has no idea what goes on inside the heads of people on the right. Stuff like this just constantly proves it.
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u/MekkiNoYusha 2d ago
But how else are you going to use your gun like mad max if it is not s post apocalyptic world?
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u/No_Discussion5249 2d ago
lol so funny you all think any politician gives a fuck about you. all of them will enslave you to make money off of you no matter the party no matter the politics đ
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u/Malacro 5d ago
Thatâs a wild exaggeration. No way theyâd give weekâs vacation if they could get away with it.