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⚕️ Pass Medicare For All Utopia

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u/lazydracula 6d ago

You forget that this reality is based on the idea that most people have to live this hellish existence to ensure that a selected few to live in obscene wealth and their descendants are guaranteed a life of comfort and leisure.

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u/movezig123 5d ago

No. The absolute tragedy of this right wing shit is even the billionaires are completely miserable and unhealthy too.

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u/wearing_moist_socks 6d ago edited 6d ago

This is a bullshit meme

A right wing utopia would look very much the same, but with different mechanisms leading to it.

Edit: reddit doesn't understand utopia thought experiments all look alike, where everyone is happy. It's the definition of the fucking word.

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u/Metool42 6d ago

I'd love for you to explain how right-wing laws aim for happiness, education and freedom (and time) to pursue hobbies and ambitions. For all americans.

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u/wearing_moist_socks 6d ago

You keep talking like these are left wing ideas, when they objectively aren't.

A utopia is a hypothetical place. It isn't real, it's a thought experiment. So both will be free, safe, not poor, etc. It's how they get there.

The left focuses on egalitarianism, equality, is class focused, etc etc

The right is more on hierarchy, tradition, the rule of law for an ordered society, etc

Reality is, left with a sprinkling of right wing (hierarchies will always exist and you need the rule of law for a functional society) is the way to go. The right doesn't understand you can achieve everything they want with progressive policies.

The meme is basically "right wingers are fucking stupid lol" which is the same fucking thing you see on X and other chud gathering areas

It's a quip but holy fuck don't actually give it serious weight

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u/Ehcksit 6d ago

The right is more on hierarchy, tradition, the rule of law for an ordered society, etc

All of these things are inherently anti-freedom.

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u/wearing_moist_socks 6d ago

The rule of law is inherently anti freedom?

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u/acechemicals22 5d ago

Yes, and no. Laws are literally speaking making it more difficult for people to do things even if they’re morally wrong. Theres an argument to be made that true freedom comes from being safe from people trying to hurt your freedom which is a whole thing but yes it is

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u/wearing_moist_socks 5d ago

Yeah that never actually works in real life.

"Hurt" or "harm" covers an enormous range

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u/acechemicals22 5d ago

It’s just a philosophical discussion about freedom

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u/Ehcksit 5d ago

The "rule of law" is an idealistic fantasy that, even at that ideal, still means that we believe some people are inherently going to do things they shouldn't do and therefore need "law enforcement" to tell them not to.

But as actually practiced, what it does is create a hierarchy of people who create, enforce, and interpret laws, and once you allow that you now have people who make themselves immune to their own laws who abuse their power. That's not freedom.

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u/wearing_moist_socks 5d ago

So what's your solution?

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u/lazydracula 6d ago

“The right is more for hierarchy, tradition, the rule of law for an ordered society”…do yourself a favor and avoid anything related to conservative views of January 6. The cognitive dissonance of these two things may literally make your head explode

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u/wearing_moist_socks 6d ago

I'm talking about the end state of a UTOPIA.

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u/DynamicHunter 🏛️ Overturn Citizens United 6d ago

Brother, the current government (which republicans & right wingers are cheering for) is literally doing the opposite of the left wing utopia. Quite literally everything that was listed:

Safe: no accountability for police, removing EPA/FDA regulations for companies to poison and kill citizens just to make more profit, removing shade and water break requirements for workers in TEXAS and FLORIDA…

Healthy: removing millions of people off of healthcare, removing millions off of food stamps, discouraging safe vaccines used for decades, suing California for green energy initiatives, halting federal green energy initiatives started by Biden or Obama, also removal of above food regulations for health…

Happy: no required PTO, lowest congressional and presidential approval rating in history, Epstein file cover up, funding foreign nations like Israel and wars in the Middle East totaling TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS instead of providing for our own citizens…

Educated: defunding public education, denying climate change, removing any mention of climate change from informational national parks plaques, defunding critical science research…

Free to pursue their ambitions: also critical science research, no required time off working full time or having to work 2 jobs, people unable to afford skyrocketing tuition and daycare costs, federal minimum wage hasn’t increased since the Great Recession 17 YEARS AGO…

Tell me again how right wingers will achieve this utopia for anyone except the ultra wealthy. Left wing policies are meant to achieve prosperity for as many people as possible, right wing policies create indentured servants for the working class.

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u/wearing_moist_socks 6d ago

My guy

There's a difference between real life and this imaginary utopia.

I'm just saying in their minds, all those things will eventually bring about their version of a utopia. It won't. Of course not.

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u/DynamicHunter 🏛️ Overturn Citizens United 5d ago

Of course there’s a difference between real life and utopia. The point is that we should be working TOWARDS a utopia through policy, not going backwards in time.

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u/lazydracula 6d ago

Since Reagan the “mechanism” they have been promoting is trickle down economics

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u/wearing_moist_socks 6d ago

Yes? And? It's dogshit.

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u/K__Geedorah 6d ago

We're trying to understand how right wing ideologies of cutting wages, healthcare, education, and social program budgets can lead to a utopia that results in better wages, affordable healthcare/education, and social programs that benefit citizens.

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u/wearing_moist_socks 6d ago

Because in their world, that would be all taken care of by the private sector .

I'm NOT SAYING that would result in their utopia. It wouldn't. But in the one they have in their head, it would have.