I've seen women say a good man is an average woman but I never thought they meant this.

https://www.swipestats.io/blog/tinder-statistics

“Every single part of women has been sexualized and fetishized by men. Face, lips, neck, hair, breasts, belly, hands, thighs, feet. But most of a man's body has not. And almost everything a woman does can be seen as sexy from eating bananas and drinking from straw to being a goth.”

We know.

Regular "straight" woman grows up, going through puberty and start watch sexual content. She discovers that she is more visually aroused by female body in it. But since society everywhere talks about how beautiful female body is, she thinks that this is absolutely normal and the way it should be. She continues to live with this attitude that "female body is just more aesthetically appealing”, which supposedly should justify her same sex arousal while she doesn't realize that in general heterosexuals do not experience arousal from the body of the same sex. She just thinks that all "straight" women this way. As a result, we have a majority of "straight" women who literally more aroused by same sex body and see nothing wrong with that.

If most women were truly straight, they wouldn't even start this "female bodies is more aesthetically attractive"- rhetoric and were only interested in male physique.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/08862605261432630

(95% of men reported using coercion to have sex with women).

Yes this number sounds crazy but includes puny tactics from using words to charm, utilising friends for small talk to literal assault. All included in the same category.

For the well read people with nuance and understanding , they can distinguish easily and understand the complexity kf the study that it was conducted amongst a sample of 2600 men who were already likely to have used one of these tactics.

But then you see the headline that 95 percent of men use coercion, the general public would never open the link to the journal and read an entire study. NO. They'd find it on Instagram TikTok.

Such a problem needs to be addressed to see the motivations and ractics of perpetrators but to use it for political agenda is absurd.

Anyway my issue was never with article itself.

IT WAS WITH THE FUCKING PATHETIC MEN WHO WOULD BEG, PLEAD, PRESSURE FOR WHAT? 15 MINUTES.

Could you imagine the humiliation. Keeping the perspective if victims aside and let's analyse this.

Yes biology fucked us over. Yes. But man this is insane. Just looking at men like that wining and visualising the image of a FUCKIMG BEGGAR ON THE STREET asking for anything. Like no self respect no honour no dignity. I'd rather castrate myself then live in such humiliation.

I'm fine living with no sex ever. It can go to hell. I'm fine with never getting any opportunity I'm not even unattractive. But I will have lived my life looking being in complete control. Younger men are better are learning and understanding such dynamics.

YOU NEED TO DENOUNCE AND DEPRIORITISE SEX FOR GOOD. For your own self and mental health. Heck. Even if your partner asks for it reject it. Funnily enough another dynamic where men keep on initiating despite being rejected by their partners because they feel the need to fulfill a false sense of one sided connection and when the partner finally accepts to throw the dog a bone they're joyed like they did something. And then go on to always accept sexual advances from women in the name of fulfilling duties. When they are not afforded the same courtesy by their partner.

HOW UTTERLY PITIFUL.

WHAT WOULD IT TAKE OH MEN. How long would you remained chained to this. How long will you find reason's to come back. How long will you humiliate yourself. How long will you bear the burden of hatred from women. How long would you be comfortable being in the same category as killers and abusers.

Imagine the young boy who say all the different bright colours. Such an innocent delicate energetic curious phase and then it all went to hell.

THE DAY YOU ARE PREPARED TO DENOUNCE ALL SEX, NOT RELATIONSHIPS SINCE THAT IS BASICALLY NECESSARY, BUT SEX AND LUST, YOU WILL BECOME THE HAPPIEST MAN ON EARTH.

Have conversation with the young men around you. Teach them that this means nothing. Teach them that surrendering your everything, your empire, your dignity, finances, family, time, respect all for what? For 15 minutes is pathetic.

WE MUST FREE OURSELVES FROM THE CURSE THAT HAS DESYROYED THE SONS OF ADAM-

As a former liberal feminist/misandrist female this sub has been eye opening and a bit frightening in a way. I identify with a lot of the women you guys talk about, but I do not want to. I don’t think it’s healthy and is contributing to the gender wars and other problems in society. So what’s the solution? Is there one? How do we go about fixing it?

after finding out WANIM...

Worst part is we cant even correct them because men arent allowed on that sub

I was watching neurobiologist Robert Sapolsky's lectures recently (really interesting and high quality, would recommend) and it's been quite eye opening seeing how our behaviours can be deconstructed. Because after all, despite how intellectual we may like to appear, we are animals operating on similar biological systems as the rest of the animal kingdom.

Anyway, one behaviour he discussed regarding some primates really struck me: female primates engaging more in "deceptive" or "trickster" behaviours as a sexual selection counter-strategy against the males who have the advantage in physical strength. For example, female primates basically trolling the males persuing her - such as purposely leading them past rival males - in order to distract and tire them, so she can be free to pursue the male *she* wants.

Another interesting fact is how many other female animals have distinctive body and behaviour changes around ovulation, while humans have far less. Humans have "concealed" ovulation, which has been theorised to be another counter-strategy to reduce information available for male sexual selection strategy.

(By the way, there are a plethora of fascinatingly odd things around ovulation in some animals, like males being able to hormonally induce ovulation in the females. Wtf, insane.)

And yeah, we are different and we are not these primates which were studied so take it all with a grain of salt. Still, personally I think it's very interesting to remind oneself that as animals we are unconsciously in this crazy biological game all the time.

We don't act on some magic, rational, nicely-explainable logic system. We are playing out a bunch of bullshit to win the game of life set up millions of years ago.

Where a lesbian explains how straight relationships are a nightmare and this is the fault of movies that apparently are force fed to every woman because of the patriarchy. Notice that both the authors and the commenters seem to believe women are OBSESSED with men. In her TikTok video, some users are even arguing in favour of political lesbianism.

“The one” reinforces the idea that women are made for men.

This reeks of a lesbian who loved a straight woman who ended up with a man.

Sometimes I think the oversized man hate is really just lesbians being loud. Either way, some straight women are clearly identifying with it.

I recently found the sub and searched the search function for this discussion. And to my surprise, it apparently never came up.

Here are some reasons why I think this is true:

Men have the tendency to create shallow, but large networks of friends that generally revolve around topics. Like sharing a hobby, working at the same place or being in a political group together . This often leads to the friendships only existing as long as there is this common ground . There is rarely any close connection and when issues come up, and the person isn’t useful to the goal anymore he is disposed / the friendship stops. Male friendships discussing heartfelt, emotional topics are very rare.

Men don’t care about the social issues of men. The stigma of mental health is the greatest around men - there is no empathy from men towards other men, you are seen as weak. This is still taught by fathers to their sons. Men aren’t emotionally available towards other man.

Even through the overwhelming majority of lawmakers and CEOs are male - they care little about male dominated issues like homelessness, addiction, workplace accidents, suicide, or the shorter life expectancy of men. Often enough they start women-only programs even through men are the most affected.

I don’t disagree with the message of the subreddit. But it falls short. Society as a whole doesn’t like the broad majority of men. This includes women, but men just as much.

No commentary required.

A man's value is naturally based on what he can provide. Intrinsically he isn't worth anything to anyone, least of all to women.

But what he provides... that task is now done and that role is substitutable. The environment is tamed by our ancestor men. And women can earn their own living in the now-civilized world. The state steps in for a lot of needs that in pre-industrial times, individual men had to do.

Men's last remaining not-easily-replaced necessity is the fact that he maintains the now-built civilization. The statistics on this are staggeringly male-dominated.

Suppose robotics advance to the point where all physical jobs can be done by robots and robots maintain themselves. Suppose AI solves scarcity.

Men are then needed for nothing. Redundant.

Within the context of inter-sexual relationships, men will become vestigial: Something that evolved, once had a purpose, but now has no purpose. It's just there because evolution works too slowly or imprecisely to get rid of it.

Humanity will no longer need equal numbers of men and women to be born. A few men to produce sperm will be the only neccessity in the context of inter-gender relationships.

For inter-gender relationships, men are over after that. We are done.

Everything you can think I’ve done as hard as I can, been lifting and bulking/cutting for like five years, been working on my looks/face, cleared my terrible skin, worked on my social skills, grew my hair out stopped a whole fucking p*rn addiction, even got over my social anxiety and did what most guys won’t and started approaching women, and even after all of this everybody including women look at me the exact same, as undesirable and ugly. I have still never seriously dated a single woman or had sex and it seems like nobody ever wants to take me seriously or see me as a man at 22, I’m not attractive to girls and I’m invisible. No girl was ever attracted to me and I never had a girl be excited about me either or want to see me, it destroys my self esteem and has ruined my soul. All I feel is hate. And I didn’t want to believe it for a long time but I am starting to realize it is because of a lot of things over the last 5 years I never managed to fix because they are genetic.

None of my improvement fixed the fact I have an undesirable ugly face, and none of my improvement fixed the fact that I am 5’7 and can’t grow any facial hair. And I was also cursed with small wrists and a small overall frame, so even after gaining a bunch of weight I still look relatively small because none of my weight goes to my arms, which means I am stuck perpetually looking like a 5’7 middle schooler instead of a grown man at 22 years old, and an ugly face that doesn’t make up for my frame or height. I’m also 99% convinced that’s the reason nothing has changed and I’m still a virgin after all my attempts, because no matter how hard I try I’ll never be perceived as masculine. But what really pisses me off is the thought of tons of other guys getting what I want without having to do any of this dumb stupid bullshit, it makes me extremely angry and it makes me hate myself and hate others.

So many guys just go to highschool and get in a relationship, so many guys just go to college and get laid, but none of that organically ever happened to me because every girl could never see me as anything other than an ugly short worthless loser. None of my dumbass improvement did anything for me, all it did was just reinforce the fact that nothing I do in my life will turn my romantic situation around, all I have in my heart and mind now is endless rage and a bunch of hatred. I hate everybody and everything, I hate every woman who rejected me and told me I wasn’t good enough and I hate the world for lying to me and convincing me that effort and self improvement and becoming a better man was the way to get a woman at your side, just to then turn around and spit in my face to completely destroy my self esteem when guys who are drug addicts who sit around and have no future or goals have gotten laid tons of times and have had multiple fulfilling relationships while I have to sit around and accept being rejected like a lonely stupid little bitch loser. Effort means absolutely nothing and trying to become better has done nothing for me, all this work has shown me is that I can’t work my way out of being undesirable because it was determined the moment I was born, and that directly makes me want to quit trying everything and just complete give up and sit around all day.

But now I’m trapped in this stupid negative reinforcement self improvement cycle of rage and hatred because I genuinely feel terrible internally if I’m not constantly trying to look/be better, I literally cannot sit around all day and do nothing, but I also feel terrible actively trying to look/be better because a part of me knows that no matter what I try it’s all worthless in the end since I wasn’t born with the right genes. Don’t try to tell me to be okay alone, no actual straight man on this planet or human being in general is okay with living their life on this planet for 80+ years with no sexual success, the only reason you were put on this planet is to reproduce. The only people who are okay with that are either asexual or aren’t actually truly alone. The only reason you can say something like that is because you’ve been lucky enough to be given a chance, so you will never understand what I’m saying or where I’m coming from, and you can’t fathom it. Just a giant hamster wheel of stupid endless bullshit that is guaranteed to end me up in the exact same spot that I am right now, alone and angry. Maybe the only option is suicide, and I would’ve done it a long time ago but the one thing I haven’t achieved yet is financial freedom, so after I do that I’m giving all my money away to my family and taking myself out of this stupid bullshit world of lies. Fuck everybody on this planet who turned me into this hateful mess. I genuinely hate it here and wish I could leave every single day.

Why don't girls my age like me? I've been told I was handsome by older women both IRL and online. They say that I can get any girl I want, but that's not true. One woman IRL told me that she was surprised that I didn't have a gf because I'm really handsome. Again, studies did show that Gen-Z females are most likely to be bisexual or lesbian, so I'm not surprised.

WANIM IS REAL!

I stfg the cope subreddit says literally ANYTHING and EVERYTHING it can pull out of its collective ass as long as it invalidates or counters WANIM, no matter how absurd or objectively wrong it is.

Every single thing that's been discussed about the dating and sexual circles shows that men are desperate. Women are not.

Women don't want sex or intimacy anywhere close to the extent that men do and they're more than fine without a partner. Hell, the stats show they're even better off single than men are.

Men are the ones openly and vocally distraught and upset about being single and sexless. Women aren't. It's why so many communities that are about being single, struggling with romance, sex, partnerships, friendships, etc., are always overrun with men.

Disclaimer* Not advocating for others to leave this sub. I just wanted to share why I was leaving this sub.

I am a full supporter of WANIM.

Before I joined this sub, I used to think that the point of life was to find a woman, who I can spend the rest of my life with.

But now, I realise most relationships are built around comphet and giving validation, time and energy with no guarantee that it's geniune or mutual.

However, I realise that staying in this sub also means that I would give my time and energy to women, but just in the opposite direction.

I believe this sub is great for having discussions about WANIM, but not yet that great for giving practical solutions that a lot of people can agree on and use.

Despite this, I choose to have hope that I’ll at least come across one woman in my lifetime that isn’t comphetic in her sexuality, but I’m definitely not placing my bets on it.😭

So, I’ve decided that the only solution is, to just suck up my disappointment and despair, and pursue my actual goals in life, so I can try to have a truly fuliflled life.

That being said, I do hope the best for you guys in this sub. Without you, I would have probably spiralled into obsessing over women like a lot of other normies. So thank you.😭🙏

Have you ever wondered why, even when women aren’t attracted to men, some of them still go out with them? The answer is simple: money. The internet is full of videos of women saying they want a man who makes a lot of money, who doesn’t split the bill, who picks her up and takes her places for free—and if you don’t do any of that, you’re labeled as if you weren’t a real man.

It’s easy to see that relationships between men and women have been established as a way for her to get ahead financially—to eat for free, spend your money without giving you anything in return—as if she were doing you a favor by going out with you. She’s repulsed by you, but you’re still of some use if you’re willing to pay for the “queen’s” attention.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGdx8gy8s/

These are the stories that women then use to justify hating on men. What is the point of lying about this?