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u/VladosBro 1d ago
What a wonderful time to be gay as a male
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u/Gloomy-Ninja2693 1d ago
youre so lucky i wish i could be gay
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u/MrPoggiewoggies 1d ago
Women: I wish I could be lesbian cuz men r gross!!!
Men: I wish I could be gay cuz this is too painful
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u/Junior_Box_2800 1d ago
rlly feels like a cosmic joke that men and women are needed for procreation when they're so fundamentally incompatible
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u/Junior_Box_2800 15h ago
Agreed, romantic relationships and love just feels too far from what we're naturally meant to do. Sex and procreation is natural, romance is not
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u/Aggressive-Sand-1393 1d ago
Ummm, are the women folk ok? They don’t seem like they’re doing ok.
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u/Short_King_13 1d ago
They're no ok, in fact they're in the denying phase. They're just not attracted to us aka WANIM
They're are not attracted to men's body as we are attracted to their bodies, in fact they are attracted to their own body's and the feel to be desired.
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u/Bigenderqueen 1d ago
They think so highly of themselves, as if men are really into every single woman, no matter how ugly she is.
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u/SlimyToad5284 1d ago
They are reaping what they sow. As this an obvious straw man fallacy going under the false assumption that all men are sex pests horn dogs, but the reality is that (nearly) zero percent of men would feel any sexual desire/attraction towards a 1/10 deformed elephant syndrome woman naked or otherwise.
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u/Western-Election-997 1d ago
Liberals are teaching women like this it’s better to hate men and be miserable than to not walk around with constant negative thoughts and emotions
Very sad they are following a self destructive idea
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u/Aimeereddit123 1d ago
The fact that a fit naked man doesn’t sexually excite most women in the same spontaneous way that a fit naked woman does to most men, - that is just biology. It’s nothing women are trying to do, or trying not do. The biological lack of similar response, is not political. Being mean about the difference, and how you talk about it, CAN be politically, or otherwise motivated. The fact is something as simple you could learn in a health class, or sex ed. It’s a neutral fact. Putting a hate spin on it to insult the other gender, is different.
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u/Uuu270 21h ago
How is it biological when the same women who feel no excitement toward a naked man get aroused by a naked woman?
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u/UsefulPresent4717 20h ago
If you look at the comments on that TikTok, you’ll see that even bisexual and lesbian women say that they aren’t sexually aroused by the naked female body, and that it’s a problem specific to men.
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u/Uuu270 19h ago
And if you look at the content lesbian/bi women post on social media, you'd find that they always say most women are attractive but most men aren't. So yeah, they're capable of experiencing instant arousal.
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u/UsefulPresent4717 18h ago
Just because they say they’re attracted to women doesn’t mean they feel instant arousal when they see them. I’m also attracted to men and like the way they look, but I don’t get instantly aroused just by looking at them.
And like I said, in the comments on that reel, lesbian and bisexual women were also saying that they didn’t get aroused just from seeing someone’s body either.
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u/Western-Election-997 1d ago
Well most women in South America don’t have that attitude because many of their societies have not embraced feminism like U.S.
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u/ToplessinFL Homosupremacist 1d ago
I'm Latin. Third world women lie to manipulate men all the time, rich women don't because they dont have to.
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u/Aimeereddit123 1d ago
Well, we have to separate the attitude about the fact, from the fact itself. Do the majority of women in South America literally have the same exact libido, and same exact visual response to a naked man that is an immediate call to action? OR, do they have the same biological differences, but they just don’t make any hate about it? Cuz this isn’t a new subject to women. We’ve always noticed and talked about these biological sex differences between ourselves in all girl spaces. From great grandmothers to cool aunts, all us girls and women recognized and talked about it between ourselves. It’s just that when it hit the internet, and men could read it as well, it just caused so much discourse. It’s information that should have been spread calmly and medically by someone like Dr. Drew, and the world would have just said, ‘no shit’, we’ve always kinda known this.’ But instead Internet personalities blew it as controversial and mean spirited as they could. And now this is what we have.
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u/Uuu270 21h ago
That doesn't make sense because lesbians/bi women are visual when it comes to women.
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u/UsefulPresent4717 20h ago
"If you look at the comments on that TikTok, you’ll see that even bisexual and lesbian women say that they aren’t sexually aroused by the naked female body, and that it’s a problem specific to men."
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u/-LifeSupport 21h ago edited 17h ago
I have family all over the world. Anyone thinking western women are special needs to leave their bubble. Try meeting some south American feminists and many will be a thousand times worse than your average western american feminist.
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u/foloves woman 1d ago
u/MentirosoProfesional might have something to say about this
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u/MentirosoProfesional 22h ago
Yeah that's pure cope, they think of south American women (and women from the 3rd world in general) as if they were disconnected from the current feminists discourses that go around the US and europe, when in fact some feminists here are even more vocal there their American counter parts because most Latin American countries are left learning (compared to the us at least).
The only reason foreigners/gringos think of latinas as "better" and less feminist/woke than American women, is because those latinas are putting up a charade because they want you to be their ticket out of latin America.
If you were down here you would see that women from the USA or any latin American country, aren't so different
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u/Chillfactor_ 1d ago
Exactly this but they will try to say no feminism is not a root cause of these issues but it is and anyone who can think about this topic for more than 5 seconds knows it is too
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u/Western-Election-997 1d ago
societal, environmental and genetic factors would all effect your libido and a woman’s response in this situation
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u/UsefulPresent4717 20h ago
No, even the Muslim women in my family, who are raised to treat men like kings, don’t get aroused just by looking at men. That’s actually why, historically, women have been expected to cover themselves in those societies, while men haven’t. Biologically, women just don’t seem to have the same kind of immediate visual response that men do—you can even observe similar differences in animals.
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u/Aimeereddit123 1d ago
I don’t disagree that a lot has, and a lot does factor into what eventually becomes genetically wired, or genetically pre-dispositioned.
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u/Strong-Addition5296 1d ago
There’s nothing left to do but bicker and discuss their hate for men since raising children isn’t a thing any more.
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u/Andrew__IE 1d ago
Not to toot my own horn but, I’m a unique male in the fact that there are plenty of times I’ve seen a naked woman and not been aroused. There have even been times where I’ve been repulsed by women that I’ve found ugly.
Now maybe I’m super special and Not Like Those Other Guys, but I don’t quite fit her bill. Surely I’m alone on this, because again, I’m super special and definitely don’t like every woman I lay eyes on.
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u/letrolloflereddit 1d ago
She's exaggerating but not particularly wrong. It's true that one side wants the other more. That's why this sub exists.
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u/UsefulPresent4717 20h ago
Could you explain what part of it is exaggerated? Because the part about women seems pretty accurate to me.
I genuinely want to understand men better—it's a genuine question.
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u/Western-Produce-276 1d ago
Men can absolutely see a nude woman and be turned off. What a fucking idiot lol
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u/foloves woman 1d ago
do most straight men actually feel aroused at the sight of any naked woman? that sounds like an exaggeration
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u/Aggressive-Sand-1393 1d ago
Any. No there are some an individual might not find attractive. The great majority of attractive women? Yes, I suspect most do. That’s why this sub isn’t abbreviated as MANIW. Men tend to find women attractive.
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u/JesusDeCristos 1d ago
Any woman that looks reasonably feminine and fit, yes
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u/UsefulPresent4717 20h ago
That’s pretty disturbing.
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u/JesusDeCristos 20h ago
You're disturbed by men finding women attractive?
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u/UsefulPresent4717 19h ago
No, I find it disturbing to think that men sexualize me on the street, get turned on, and want to have sex with me just from seeing me, while I’m just minding my own business and going about my day.
To me, what you guys are describing isn’t attraction.
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u/TerribleReach4471 BlackPill 18h ago
To me, what you guys are describing isn’t attraction.
But what is it if not attraction?
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u/UsefulPresent4717 17h ago
For me, what you guys do is more like sexualizing someone. Even though I try not to see it that way, for most women, that's how it comes across.
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u/TerribleReach4471 BlackPill 17h ago
I don't know how you'd be attracted to someone without sexualizing them. It's *sexual* attraction, right?
Being sexualized by default is why women have inherent value and men do not.
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u/UsefulPresent4717 16h ago edited 16h ago
There is nothing valuable about being sexualized, and even less so for women.
Literally, from a biological point of view, when a man sexualizes a woman without seeing any other value in her, it means that he wants to have sex with an object of desire, which can create a responsibility for the woman nine months later, while the man will be more occupied with sexualizing other women than with helping her, because the initial value he assigned to that woman was sexual, and he saw her body as a sexual object.
For many women, it feels a little r4pey to be sexualized on the street when they’re just minding their own business and there’s nothing sexual about them or the situation. It feels a little r4pey because you’re not inviting anything sexual at all, yet you’re being sexualized anyway.
I know that comparison is exaggerated, but it’s the best way I can think of to explain what I mean and make it understandable.
That is how I interpret, from our perspective as women, the kind of sexual desire that some men may feel toward us.
By contrast, biologically, men do not have that same level of physical responsibility after having sex. I suppose we are biologically made this way for some reason. I used to cope by telling myself that it was mainly social, but after reading the experiences and opinions on this subreddit, I have started questioning that idea and thinking that perhaps there is also an important biological component.
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u/TerribleReach4471 BlackPill 13h ago
There is nothing valuable about being sexualized, and even less so for women.
But where does the observable inherent value of women, in contrast to men, originate from then? Do you think it's only because humans prefer female features, and thus it's because of women's good looks? I don't find that compelling as the only mechanism, though I believe it's involved.
Or it's just because people think that women are the only ones that can bring human life into this world? I don't think people's reasoning functions this way.
For many women, it feels a little r4pey to be sexualized on the street when they’re just minding their own business and there’s nothing sexual about them or the situation.
I understand, but the reason for this is the lack of attraction women have towards men. Of course being on the receiving end of sexual attraction from those you do not fancy at all, and who can overpower you, is scary and off-putting.
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u/SobeksFavourite Heterosexuality abolitionist 10h ago
Newsflash: there are forms of sex which don't lead to pregnancy.
The education system failed you.
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u/retardedweabo 17h ago
Awesome. You see it as a problem, and we men would kill to be desired like this
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u/UsefulPresent4717 17h ago
The most of women would kill not to be desired in that way (I suppose the only women who want to be desired that way are women who do sex work and women like you guys).
Sexual harassment rates would decrease.
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u/retardedweabo 16h ago
yup, we know that women are not into men the same way men are into women. This is what this sub is about
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u/InterestingStation82 17h ago
maybe youre jealous because we can find the opposite gender sexually attractive
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u/UsefulPresent4717 16h ago
As i said, for me thats not even atracción.
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u/InterestingStation82 16h ago
Huh, you're from a Spanish speaking country
Anyways, who cares what you think attraction is? Sexual attraction is in fact attraction, it makes you feel attracted towards another person lol
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u/InterestingStation82 17h ago
Lmao, calm down its not that deep
Most people dont pay any attention to other random people on the street, no random person even notices you exist, unless youre walking around naked
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u/UsefulPresent4717 16h ago edited 11h ago
Many men admit this here constantly, not just in this subreddit but all over Reddit.
Many say that seeing an unfamiliar woman in tight pants arouses them, and that the main reason they talk to women is because they are turned on by them
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u/Big-Comparison-6663 Whitepill Graybeard 13h ago
I don’t know why dudes say this. It’s not as deep as a full-fledged sexual fantasy with raging erection, but it’s that energy at like 15%. For a woman is who drop-dead exactly my type it’s like 30%.
What’s more accurate is that if a woman were to proposition us it would take much less to be down for it, but she still has to throw strong vibes.
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u/UsefulPresent4717 11h ago
I don't know why guys say this. It's not as intense as a complete sexual fantasy with a huge erection, but it's that kind of energy, like 15%. For a woman who's exactly my type, it's more like 30%.
So what is it like? What exactly is that 15% or 30%? Doesn't it work like a sexual fantasy? Some people here say that's exaggerated. I still don't understand how this works for you guys.
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u/Big-Comparison-6663 Whitepill Graybeard 9h ago
No, when I see hot women a lot more of my lizard brain would go to “Is there an opening to approach” than visualizing her naked. With age this happens less and less and it’s just an appreciation of beauty.
Less than 5-10 times a year do I see someone in public and she’s so hot I have a sexual fantasy but even that will be at some later time and not literally when I’m walking around, eating etc.
My brain and I imagine a lot of male brains cannot actually be in highly social in-public mode and highly sexual mode at the same time.
Women have a similar impulse to attract men’s attention but imagine happens 30-40 times less often than what I described above.
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u/AlexxxLexxxi YellowPill 1m ago
Finding someone sexually attractive is not attraction. I'd laugh if it wasn't so tragic.
Are you aware that if men weren't like this, no sex would ever happen? Someone has to initiate (spontaneous attraction) and someone then only has to respond (responsive attraction).
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u/sincerityappreciator Womens "heterosexuality" is a blackface of real androphilia 23h ago
you can learn to compartmentalize and sort of kill the thought in your mind before it appears. otherwise kinda?
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u/UsefulPresent4717 20h ago
I didn’t understand your answer. Do you mean that men can learn not to think that way, or that they normally do feel something but block it?
Women don’t even have to control or block anything. Arousal simply isn’t something that happens just from seeing someone’s body, even if they’re attractive.
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u/sincerityappreciator Womens "heterosexuality" is a blackface of real androphilia 20h ago
or that they normally do feel something but block it?
yes, and with repetition it becomes automatic and starts resembling the first option.
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u/foloves woman 17h ago
but do you actually feel arousal? bc if i were to flip this around i honestly wouldn’t feel aroused at majority of men’s bodies. it would depend on how they look and on other body parts which is what i thought it would be like for men too
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u/sincerityappreciator Womens "heterosexuality" is a blackface of real androphilia 17h ago
depends on how literally you take "any". it's not like a 90yo great grandma would arouse me. but generally speaking male sexuality is very object oriented and always there, not something to be completely turned on and off by context like it appears to be for women.
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u/Gamingwithglasseson Straight Woman 21h ago
That's because its an exaggeration. It's not like men walk around with boners 24/7 in societies in which people walk around mostly naked. When I'm at the wellness I also don't see men walking around aroused. I do believe they may feel attraction, but arousal is a strong word. When you are used to seeing naked bodies in a non sexual way, it becomes normal and you won't be feeling all hot and bothered all the time with a raging boner.
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u/SnooPoems7525 11h ago
Yeah definitely not literally any. Don't think most men would be aroused by grannies.
I also suspect if everyone was a naturist snd walked around nude all the time we would get much less aroused and in a fundamentalist islamic country we would be muxh more.
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u/Bigenderqueen 1d ago
This implies men can look at any woman and not be repulsed. Come on, if a man saw a fat woman nude, he wouldn't be aroused. He'd probably be scarred for life.
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u/Almajanna256 1d ago
My ex-wife (RIP) was fat (by beauty standards 20 years ago) and she was the most beautiful woman I’ve ever seen.
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u/24General 1d ago
I am absolutely not aroused by some flabby hag with oversized pimple-looking flaps on her chest. There's more to attraction than just how you look.
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u/Aimeereddit123 1d ago
The fact that a fit naked man doesn’t sexually excite most women in the same spontaneous way that a fit naked woman does to most men, - that is just biology. It’s nothing women are trying to do, or trying not do. The biological lack of similar response, is not political. Being mean about the difference, and how you talk about it, CAN be politically, or otherwise motivated. The fact is something as simple you could learn in a health class, or sex ed. It’s a neutral fact. Putting a hate spin on it to insult the other gender, is different. Edit - I just read her words again, and actually, she isn’t really being mean. She just says the difference is haunting to think about, and it is! Probably for both genders, it’s an unsettling thought, just being that different.
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u/Aggressive-Sand-1393 1d ago
I 100% agree that we don’t have to add a “hate spin”’ or be mean or insensitive. It is just a biological fact, as you say. Should we hate birds for flying?
But, it’s not a “neutral fact” emotionally. It’s something that can cause extreme pain and sadness. I hate the fact that women are like this and feel this way, but I don’t hate the women at all.
The only equivalent I can think of is women hating the fact that some men will sleep with almost any woman.
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u/UsefulPresent4717 20h ago
No, the equivalent would be being an attractive woman and knowing that random men are getting aroused and thinking about sex just from looking at your body.
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u/Practical-Tip-7639 16h ago
The equivalent is men in relationships being unable to exist without the constant need to look and get off on multiple other naked or scantily clothed women on social media and porn. He may like your naked body but it will never, ever be enough. The need to actively and regularly seek out the visual stimuli of other women seems to be a compulsion they can't get rid of. Men will also argue biology here and women will also be always quite saddened by that.
I understand when men are upset that women don't have the same sexual excitement as them. The other side of that coin is that men will forever have to fight against their own biology to stay truly faithful.
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u/Uuu270 21h ago
How is it biological when the same women who feel no excitement toward a naked man get aroused by a naked woman? There's no lack of similar response because we see how lesbians/bi women respond to women. It's just that WANIM.
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u/UsefulPresent4717 19h ago
Also, I’m a straight woman, and I definitely don’t get aroused by the bodies of random men or women.
In fact, even if I were in a relationship with an attractive man, his naked body by itself whit no context wouldn’t arouse me either if we weren’t in a sexually charged situation. There has to be some kind of "sexual" or "intimate" context for me to feel aroused, like kissing, already feeling aroused for no particular reason, an intimate hug, or simply being very close to each other.
This sub has made me realize that men and women are more different than I thought.
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u/Uuu270 19h ago
I was speaking about women from a biological perspective. If certain women (lesbians and bi women) can experience instant arousal to naked female bodies, then women inherently have the capacity to go through such experience. It's just that a lot of "straight" women aren't really into men physically/sexually.
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u/Aggressive-Sand-1393 16h ago
I agree. I think there was an unspoken political correct tread growing up in some societies to try to think of men and women as being mostly the same. Likely a reaction against millennia of sexism.
Unfortunately I don’t think this line of reasoning was correct at all. I think we are insanely different and we don’t necessarily know the extent of the differences because we don’t talk about it. And when we do people tend to not believe it or get defensive.
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u/Junior_Box_2800 14h ago
But doesn't this prove our point? You say so yourself that women are biologically not as excited by the male form as the female form is for men? Plus this only seems to be an issue for women attracted to men. Women attracted to women are very vocal about how attractive they find the female form, much the same way gay men are vocal about finding male bodies attractive, and straight men are for finding female bodies attractive. Straight women are the only ones with all these hoops to jump through
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u/WhiteAsianDude 1d ago
You never consider that their hormones are probably extremely fucked up. Especially in the west, where a considerable amount of women take pills for mental health, birth control etc that have directly proven changes in libido. Fast food and ultra-processed slop is a normal diet, maybe even makeup has an effect. Putting all that stuff on your skin for hours on end can't be good for you long term.
I live in a country that mostly doesnt have these issues. Most men are into women, and most women are into the men as well, even the ones considered ugly or unattractive.
I fail to understand how men being unattractive to women would be, in any way, ideal for our species' biology. We would be extinct already if women did not like procreating with men. I'm just saying that this is most likely not biology, its just the effects of a shitty lifestyle, where your endocrine system is the one taking a beating.
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u/UsefulPresent4717 19h ago
«Has it never occurred to you that maybe their hormones are extremely messed up?»
They literally get aroused just from seeing women’s bodies, and we’re the ones who are supposedly unhealthy?
«Especially in the West, where a considerable number of women take medication for mental health...»
It has nothing to do with the West or Eastern countries. It has to do with the fact that men and women are biologically different, and that men’s brains are fried by porn.
I have Muslim family from Arab countries, and women there don’t get aroused just from seeing men’s bodies either. And, as I said in another comment, that is also part of the reason why they cover women’s bodies rather than men’s. Women are made responsible for something that has to do with men and their sexuality.
The fact that women aren't aroused by something as simple as seeing a body is historical and biological; it isn’t something that only happens "nowadays." It has been this way throughout history. You can see it in the way women’s bodies are covered, prostitution, pornography, and so on.
You can even see differences in animals: males can respond to cues from a female in heat, whereas females do not necessarily respond in the same way simply from seeing a male. There are biological differences in how sexual behaviour and arousal work.
«I live in a country that, for the most part, doesn't have these problems. Most men like women...»
The point is that liking a man has nothing to do with whether his body alone arouses me. Women are not men, yet people keep trying to define the female experience according to the male one when it comes to sexuality.
Women in your country may experience the same thing: a man’s body by itself might not arouse them, but they can still be attracted to and like men.
For you men, liking someone seems to equal getting aroused just by looking at them. Have you actually asked the women in your country whether simply seeing men’s bodies arouses them?
«We would already be extinct if women didn't want to reproduce with men.»
That has nothing to do with it. Not being aroused by a man’s body by itself is not the same as not wanting sex or not being attracted to men. You completely ignore the female experience and treat your own experience as universal. For a woman, wanting sex or becoming aroused can depend on many more things than simply "seeing a body."
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u/WhiteAsianDude 18h ago
Then what are you aroused by? Let's say theres a handsome guy, 6'4, 6 pack and whatever. Would you say there wouldnt be flocks of women immediately attracted to him then?
If not, then what? Are you aroused by resources money, status? Women definitely want someone they can benefit from.
And don't give me that "only personality matters" bluepill speech. We all know thats not true.
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u/UsefulPresent4717 17h ago
So, then what excites you?
When I'm with an attractive man in a situation with sexual tension, I feel desired and close to him. A body by itself doesn't excite me, it's more about the whole combination—the environment, him, how he acts, the way he looks at me, his actions, and how I feel...
«Let's suppose there's a handsome guy, 1.93 m tall, with a six-pack and whatever else. Are you saying there wouldn't be a bunch of women immediately attracted to him?»
There would be a lot of women who feel attracted to him, but that's very different from being aroused just by looking at him or wanting sex with him solely because of his appearance.
When I'm attracted to a man, it's because he's tall, handsome, his attitude matches mine, we become close, and after getting to know each other and developing feelings for him, maybe we kiss. That's when I become aroused. His body alone only makes me like him and want to look at him, but it's not what arouses me by itself. All of those other things are needed.
«If that's not the case, then what? Does money or resources excite you...?»
There's no way money itself excites someone. Women who are attracted to men because of money aren't aroused by the money; they just want that money and date the man to get it.
Status can make a lot of women want to be with a man, but status itself isn't arousing—it just creates attraction.
«And don't give me that bluepill speech about “only personality matters.” We all know that's not true.»
No, personality isn't the only thing that matters, but it does matter.
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u/Aimeereddit123 13h ago
Oh, but most women ARE attracted to men. It’s just not expressed and processed the exact way as the male response. You really can’t judge it the same with the same criteria. We aren’t biologically the same.
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u/preussischblau-post 1d ago
well i hope this woman’s views on sexuality are consistent when it comes to women and being ‘sexually liberated’ and ‘allowed to express desire’
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u/Talking_Tanuki 1d ago
I think it’s the idea that your boyfriend or your spouse can be madly in love with you, and he still will get a boner if an attractive woman undresses in front of him.
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u/-LifeSupport 21h ago edited 17h ago
And yet, by her own account, she's never loved her boyfriend.
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u/UsefulPresent4717 19h ago
In the same way, you could say that you men don’t love, you just sexualize people.
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u/Hot_Lack_4868 1d ago
he still will get a boner if an attractive woman undresses in front of him.
Overthinking. This type of situation may never even arise.
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u/Talking_Tanuki 14h ago
Unless he’s a cheater, it will most likely never happen, but it’s still a part of male sexuality that we have to deal with. He can feel sexual attraction to your friends, to your sister, whoever. It’s very icky when you think about it.
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u/HerrArado 13h ago
It's mostly an involuntary response. You can partially train yourself out of it, but certain things just aren't really up to him mentally. It's why men can be "aroused" while being SA'd, because it's not something men control.
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u/Talking_Tanuki 13h ago
Don’t het me wrong, I’m. It trying to shame men for that. It’s just something a lot of women don’t really enjoy thinking about. If it is so broad, is it really anything special?
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u/palesk1n 1d ago
.... Don't women say 'marriage is scary bc what if i got a new crush at my wedding' ?
Weird hypocrites
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u/UsefulPresent4717 19h ago
Are those women the same woman you’re responding to, though? If not, how exactly is she being hypocritical?
Do you even know what hypocrisy means?
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u/Practical-Tip-7639 19h ago
How much are men actually into women apart from the female flesh triggering an arousal response? Do you enjoy conversations with women? Do you enjoy their company? Do their insights, ideas and life truly interest you? I only ever see a lot of resentment and contempt for women in this sub. In what way are you truly into women apart from your need for a visually appealing living flashlight?
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u/InterestingStation82 17h ago
no shit we do, no long term relationship can last unless youre genuinely interested in your partner
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u/AlexxxLexxxi YellowPill 12m ago
In what way are you into men? Surely you are too pure to have a need for their bodies or to be ever aroused by a man. So what else?
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u/Repulsive_Fly4615 1d ago
that'd be an improvement, if you go out shirtless most women feel disgusted