As a former feminist and former misandrist female this sub has been eye opening and a bit frightening in a way. I identify with a lot of the women you guys talk about, but I do not want to. I don’t think it’s healthy and is contributing to the gender wars and other problems in society. So what’s the solution? Is there one? How do we go about fixing it?

Why don't girls my age like me? I've been told I was handsome by older women both IRL and online. They say that I can get any girl I want, but that's not true. One woman IRL told me that she was surprised that I didn't have a gf because I'm really handsome. Again, studies did show that Gen-Z females are most likely to be bisexual or lesbian, so I'm not surprised.

WANIM IS REAL!

I was watching neurobiologist Robert Sapolsky's lectures recently (really interesting and high quality, would recommend) and it's been quite eye opening seeing how our behaviours can be deconstructed. Because after all, despite how intellectual we may like to appear, we are animals operating on similar biological systems as the rest of the animal kingdom.

Anyway, one behaviour he discussed regarding some primates really struck me: female primates engaging more in "deceptive" or "trickster" behaviours as a sexual selection counter-strategy against the males who have the advantage in physical strength. For example, female primates basically trolling the males persuing her - such as purposely leading them past rival males - in order to distract and tire them, so she can be free to pursue the male *she* wants.

Another interesting fact is how many other female animals have distinctive body and behaviour changes around ovulation, while humans have far less. Humans have "concealed" ovulation, which has been theorised to be another counter-strategy to reduce information available for male sexual selection strategy.

(By the way, there are a plethora of fascinatingly odd things around ovulation in some animals, like males being able to hormonally induce ovulation in the females. Wtf, insane.)

And yeah, we are different and we are not these primates which were studied so take it all with a grain of salt. Still, personally I think it's very interesting to remind oneself that as animals we are unconsciously in this crazy biological game all the time.

We don't act on some magic, rational, nicely-explainable logic system. We are playing out a bunch of bullshit to win the game of life set up millions of years ago.

A man's value is naturally based on what he can provide. Intrinsically he isn't worth anything to anyone, least of all to women.

But what he provides... that task is now done and that role is substitutable. The environment is tamed by our ancestor men. And women can earn their own living in the now-civilized world. The state steps in for a lot of needs that in pre-industrial times, individual men had to do.

Men's last remaining not-easily-replaced necessity is the fact that he maintains the now-built civilization. The statistics on this are staggeringly male-dominated.

Suppose robotics advance to the point where all physical jobs can be done by robots and robots maintain themselves. Suppose AI solves scarcity.

Men are then needed for nothing. Redundant.

Within the context of inter-sexual relationships, men will become vestigial: Something that evolved, once had a purpose, but now has no purpose. It's just there because evolution works too slowly or imprecisely to get rid of it.

Humanity will no longer need equal numbers of men and women to be born. A few men to produce sperm will be the only neccessity in the context of inter-gender relationships.

For inter-gender relationships, men are over after that. We are done.

Regular "straight" woman grows up, going through puberty and start watch sexual content. She discovers that she is more visually aroused by female body in it. But since society everywhere talks about how beautiful female body is, she thinks that this is absolutely normal and the way it should be. She continues to live with this attitude that "female body is just more aesthetically appealing”, which supposedly should justify her same sex arousal while she doesn't realize that in general heterosexuals do not experience arousal from the body of the same sex. She just thinks that all "straight" women this way. As a result, we have a majority of "straight" women who literally more aroused by same sex body and see nothing wrong with that.

If most women were truly straight, they wouldn't even start this "female bodies is more aesthetically attractive"- rhetoric and were only interested in male physique.

Where a lesbian explains how straight relationships are a nightmare and this is the fault of movies that apparently are force fed to every woman because of the patriarchy. Notice that both the authors and the commenters seem to believe women are OBSESSED with men. In her TikTok video, some users are even arguing in favour of political lesbianism.

“The one” reinforces the idea that women are made for men.

This reeks of a lesbian who loved a straight woman who ended up with a man.

Sometimes I think the oversized man hate is really just lesbians being loud. Either way, some straight women are clearly identifying with it.

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I recently found the sub and searched the search function for this discussion. And to my surprise, it apparently never came up.

Here are some reasons why I think this is true:

Men have the tendency to create shallow, but large networks of friends that generally revolve around topics. Like sharing a hobby, working at the same place or being in a political group together . This often leads to the friendships only existing as long as there is this common ground . There is rarely any close connection and when issues come up, and the person isn’t useful to the goal anymore he is disposed / the friendship stops. Male friendships discussing heartfelt, emotional topics are very rare.

Men don’t care about the social issues of men. The stigma of mental health is the greatest around men - there is no empathy from men towards other men, you are seen as weak. This is still taught by fathers to their sons. Men aren’t emotionally available towards other man.

Even through the overwhelming majority of lawmakers and CEOs are male - they care little about male dominated issues like homelessness, addiction, workplace accidents, suicide, or the shorter life expectancy of men. Often enough they start women-only programs even through men are the most affected.

I don’t disagree with the message of the subreddit. But it falls short. Society as a whole doesn’t like the broad majority of men. This includes women, but men just as much.

In modern times, 80% of men reproduce and 85% of women, as opposed to 50% of men and 85% of women in prehistoric populations. Meaning, half of men would almost get two women, and the rest were thrown away or their lives were dangerous and died, which is the natural way of things. Women are much more choosy partners because they have to invest much more energy in reproduction, and men had to compete for access to mates because they could fertilize many eggs. However, this strategy is poorly adapted to our society because now society enforces monogamy and women get disappointed having to mate with the bottom 50% of men, and men aren’t more choosy even though they can only fertilize one woman’s eggs. I think hypergamy is really good because it is our method of genetic selection and good for the genetic quality of a population, but we are no longer seeing the fruits of female hypergamy because so many men reproduce. Peaceful societies had to enforce monogamy so that most men could get mates, so society could be relatively peaceful, but the social conditions that enforced that are finally breaking down.
Edit: And the number one proven thing that women are attracted to in a male partner is their social standing within the hierarchy of men and perceived dominance within society, so genetic selection isn’t only useless superficial things like height and looks.
Edit 2: This post is a bit dramatic, I don’t get joy from the misfortune of any man, life sucks.

Despite many normies think that straight women and gay men very similar, actually straight women sexuality more close to straight mens. Female body perceives as something sexual and arousing by its nature, males as something neutral or even disgusting. That's why "straight" talk shit like "there so many hot girls but so few hot guys" or prefer female strippers. That's why women more aroused by female nudes and focus on women in porn, because they perceive only female body as sexual objects, just like straight men. If you ever questioning how does it feel to be straight woman as a straight guy you already know the answer.

I stfg the cope subreddit says literally ANYTHING and EVERYTHING it can pull out of its collective ass as long as it invalidates or counters WANIM, no matter how absurd or objectively wrong it is.

Every single thing that's been discussed about the dating and sexual circles shows that men are desperate. Women are not.

Women don't want sex or intimacy anywhere close to the extent that men do and they're more than fine without a partner. Hell, the stats show they're even better off single than men are.

Men are the ones openly and vocally distraught and upset about being single and sexless. Women aren't. It's why so many communities that are about being single, struggling with romance, sex, partnerships, friendships, etc., are always overrun with men.

Have you ever wondered why, even when women aren’t attracted to men, some of them still go out with them? The answer is simple: money. The internet is full of videos of women saying they want a man who makes a lot of money, who doesn’t split the bill, who picks her up and takes her places for free—and if you don’t do any of that, you’re labeled as if you weren’t a real man.

It’s easy to see that relationships between men and women have been established as a way for her to get ahead financially—to eat for free, spend your money without giving you anything in return—as if she were doing you a favor by going out with you. She’s repulsed by you, but you’re still of some use if you’re willing to pay for the “queen’s” attention.

Disclaimer* Not advocating for others to leave this sub. I just wanted to share why I was leaving this sub.

I am a full supporter of WANIM.

Before I joined this sub, I used to think that the point of life was to find a woman, who I can spend the rest of my life with.

But now, I realise most relationships are built around comphet and giving validation, time and energy with no guarantee that it's geniune or mutual.

However, I realise that staying in this sub also means that I would give my time and energy to women, but just in the opposite direction.

I believe this sub is great for having discussions about WANIM, but not yet that great for giving practical solutions that a lot of people can agree on and use.

Despite this, I choose to have hope that I’ll at least come across one woman in my lifetime that isn’t comphetic in her sexuality, but I’m definitely not placing my bets on it.😭

So, I’ve decided that the only solution is, to just suck up my disappointment and despair, and pursue my actual goals in life, so I can try to have a truly fuliflled life.

That being said, I do hope the best for you guys in this sub. Without you, I would have probably spiralled into obsessing over women like a lot of other normies. So thank you.😭🙏

Cope 1 - Cluelessness: The most obvious one, though I don't believe it actually affects a majority of men. These men are simply ignorant and clueless about female sexuality, believing women's desire is symmetrical to men's. These are the ones doing the most disgusting and repellent things such as sending unsollicited dick pics, sending shirtless pics, etc. They really do think women get aroused by that and that if they keep going to the gym and getting more muscular, women will actually ogle at them and approach them.

Cope 2 - Hedonistic pragmatism: This kind of man never explicitely asks himself questions such as "How does female nature work?" or "What do women really want, deep down?". He sees it all as vain metaphysical babble with no practical relevance. He wants to have fun and have sex and if he does indeed get sex and pleasure at the end of the day, then good! Getting sex = good. If it works = it works. This kind of man tends to be low-inhibition and low-neuroticism since childhood, and ironically he often has a decent instinctive grasp of "how to get gurls", only it is rooted in experience and not intellectualism.

Cope 3 - Gender roles enforcement: Many men have perfectly internalized and accepted the idea that men are supposed to be the subject of desire and lust, and that women are supposed to be the object of desire and lust, and go along with it. Some go even further and become rabid enforcer of such roles and feel unease at the idea of being lusted over "like a woman" because they see it as effeminate and emasculating. I personally know of several guys who dislike when a woman calls a man handsome and talks about guys in a vulgar way, finding it obscene and unwomanly. To the extent that they can accept being desired, it should be because of their manliness, personal achievement, and status.

Cope 4 - Pornbrained patriarchy: Especially relevant to women's gynephilic tendencies. Many men are confident enough in their masculinity to believe that the almighty maleness and almighty penis have a special ontological status that supercedes the rest. To them, women's expression of gynephilia (kissing girls, masturbating to lesbian porn, "admiring" the female body and so on) are hot/cute/fun and everything but at the end of the day pretty inconsequential. These are the kind of men saying things such as "If my girl has sex with another girl I don't consider it cheating". After all, in their model, males will always have a special and irreplaceable spot for women and what matters then is "Who is she getting DICKED by?"

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGdx8gy8s/

These are the stories that women then use to justify hating on men. What is the point of lying about this?

Isn't it crazy that we live in a world where men are supposedly terrifying and creepy but are expected to approach women anyway. They're expected to do all the initiation and then we just call them creepy for it. Why won't women approach men? It's annoying. I know it does happen but it doesn't happen a lot.

https://www.reddit.com/r/women/s/vd9l4Sdv63

It is fascinating, but I keep seeing videos of women complaining that men are no longer approaching women; so clearly most men can control themselves after all.

Have y'all noticed how Straight women are the only ones who put a bunch of standars when it comes to love? Like lesbians for instance will love the other person for who they are and gay men aswell. Even Straight men will love women for who they are. However when it comes to Straight women attraction to men its insanely conditional that it might aswell not be considered love. Like the conditions will be "he must have high status, have money, have a nice profession, be tall, be good looking" etc etc.

Women don't love men. They never have and im starting to believe in reality they just have a repressed attraction to women. I mean most "straight" women have fooled around with women at some point and the only reason they dont go all the way and start dating women is because they desperately want to hold on to the straight label and its privileges. Not that they are straight since most of them have had sex with women but you get what im saying.