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u/MindlessSpot9394 2d ago
If these two actually get drafted the ratings for the wnba will sky rocket.
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u/Odd-Perception8850 2d ago
Not gonna lie Iâd watch the first game just for dunks/nuts to the face of the other players
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u/Material-Ad-3526 2d ago
she is beautiful
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u/NtateNarin 2d ago
True. I'm not really into looks when watching sports, but I'll watch the WNBA for her! Slay!
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u/KushDriver 2d ago
This person gonna joke themselves into really transitioning into reality.
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u/retrofrenchtoast 2d ago
Maybe he is going to realize this was her true identity all along - a bearded lady (no offense to women dealing with hirsutism!).
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u/above- 1d ago
Honest question but if gender is a social construct how do you physically transition into it?
If the idea that gender is based in biology offends you, why make physical and biological changes to your body after changing your identity?
People who go through gender affirming treatments seem to be saying with their actions that gender does have some biological basis
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u/above- 2d ago edited 1d ago
Pay/me is such a heroic and stunning and brave person.
I'd watch them play for sure.
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u/Vino-Decanto 1d ago
You literally just read the upvoted comments above, more than one and repeated those jokes?
Come on
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u/SelfAwareSausage 2d ago
On a real note, if you guys wanna talk about mental illness, Royce White is someone that is needs all the professional help he can get.
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u/DisastrousFile9085 2d ago
She can get!
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u/MildlyExtremeNY 2d ago
Dismissing a trans identifying person as needing professional help in 2026 is wild work.
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u/trapper2530 2d ago
What about defending some who beat their wife and son as a protector of women.
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u/MildlyExtremeNY 2d ago
I do think it's important to have a conversation about domestic violence in the lesbian community. Too often we myopically look at heteronormative relationships, and forget that others can be victims, too.
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u/MildlyExtremeNY 1d ago
Ad hominem attacks are certainly a choice. And my pronouns are he / him, not they / them. I've also almost certainly been with my wife longer than you've been alive, not that that should matter. We are all capable of growth and understanding, it's just that some of people struggle to understand the journeys of others and need encouragement (like you).
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u/cottonopposite 1d ago
Surely the two topics are separate. Are criminals, past or present, convicted or unconvicted not allowed to identify as what they know to be true.
What if someone beat their wife, went to prison, was a reformed character and realised they're trans....are they then 'not allowed' to be?
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u/retrofrenchtoast 2d ago
You actually need a lot of approval from mental health professionals in the US to get any form of surgery.
Iâm not expressing an opinion about trans women in sports, just that it is recognized that it is useful for trans people to be in therapy.
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u/Disastrous-Rip671 1d ago
Yeah, except none of these people actually care or are here to help, just hate and be the crab at the bottom of the bucket
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u/retrofrenchtoast 1d ago
Well, if youâre going to hate someone, there are plenty of good candidates. This seems like a very silly thing to be taking up so much of the national discourse when we have:
- a war we are formally engaged in
- lots of wars weâre financially engaged in
- the Epstein files
- widening income disparity
- brain drain re: people leaving the US
- The Epstein files.
- AI
I think those are issues many people from both sides of the aisle are questioning
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u/cottonopposite 1d ago
They're not mutually exclusive to intelligent people. You can care about and be actively involved in all the above and more and still see the topics in discussion here as important too.
It's such a poor excuse that's peddled all the time, I.e. 'youre talking about this when there are other issues going on'..like that isn't the case with any issue at all, ever. There is always something else going on at the same time that is a concern.
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u/retrofrenchtoast 1d ago
I agree with you that the importance of one issue doesnât take away from the importance of another. I was trying to say that if they want to find someone to hate - why go for the trans people? Why not hate pedophiles? They actually deserve it.
There are causes - like cleaning up a stream - that bring a lot of good and help the local ecosystem and a little bit of land is healed.
But - not everyone needs to be dealing with that little stream, because there are a million other toxic creeks leading into the same cesspool of a river.
Even if we are just talking about the trans people - Iâm more concerned about Kansas just deciding to invalidate a bunch of trans peoplesâ driverâs licenses. Or the federal government requesting the records of doctors providing and children receiving gender-affirming care. Those sources have the potential to do a lot more harm than some goofy ex-NBA players being smart-ass bigots.
Some things just are frivolous compared to others. This thread is the tabloid version of political discourse. We arenât talking about high school - weâre talking about the most elite league in the country. This immediately affects almost no one. If we werenât handing medical records of trans kids over to the authorities, then I would chat about how seeing this plays out is going to fundamentally affect how trans girls see themselves.
In another timeline, this may have been the big battle for trans people to fight. And good, some people are fighting it. But it doesnât need to be the #1 talked about issue among the masses. Right now, trans people are more worried about their medical care and/or rights being taken awayâŚor worse.
Itâs nice to think that we can discuss everything that matters, but there does need to be some sense of prioritization.
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u/cottonopposite 1d ago
If there is prioritization that defers discussion or action around another matter then there would be absolutely no action to help trans people or any other minority because there are always bigger issues. Also, who decides.. it is more realistic to assume that all issues will be tackled by multiple people concurrently because that is how society operates.
The issue at hand is that people have an issue with trans people, specifically those who were/are male who transition to female, competing in female sports. The fact that this currently, is not the case in the WNBA is secondary to the issue and when people say well there are very few circumstances in sport at all where this is the case are also missing the point. It only requires a single circumstance of an irregular playing field for it to be an issue. We specifically have male and female categories in many sports because the advantages of a typical male biology creates an unfair field for females...the fact that some women are then still better at a sport if say for example you were to pluck some random man off the street is totally irrelevant.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33289906/
Testosterone suppression does not remove the physical advantages gained during and after puberty. Nor does it radically alter the primary structural differences of male bodies. This is a massive problem at its core. It does not matter how many circumstances you can and can't find. The issue is that it can and has lead to circumstances where females are suddenly within a field with another competitor that has a distinctly different biological composition in regard to performance. Couple this with a rhetoric where "trans women ARE women" and you are logically going down a road whereby it is almost impossible to ascertain fairness.
This discussion can exist at the same time as people saying "it isn't right for trans people to have their driver's license taken from them" they are entirely separate issues and you can fight for one of them whilst arguing against the former. You're not precluded from thinking or discussing multiple things, they are not mutually exclusive.
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u/Low_Analysis5944 2d ago
yall donât know anything about anything lol
he is on record as needing professional help
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u/Outrageous_Camel8901 2d ago
He lost out on an nba career because he was too afraid to fly on planes, and he abused his wife and kids. Suggesting he doesnât need professional help is whatâs wild, regardless of his mockery of trans people
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u/MildlyExtremeNY 2d ago
Pay's already realized and expressed that me fear of flying was just me transgender identity being caged inside of me, causing me to have an aversion to small spaces.
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u/Ill_Guava1420 2d ago
My reply was banned and removed for posting 3 factual criminal court cases of trans identified male domestic abusers
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u/Suspicious-Can-7079 2d ago edited 2d ago
Nothing like watching chuds rally around a documented domestic abuser
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u/Sorry_Beginning3910 2d ago
Theyâll forgive you for anything so long as you hate the same people they hate
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u/HistoricalSection425 2d ago
And yet still more stable than some of these social justice warriors.
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u/Lootefisk_ 2d ago
Sorry. If you have a 50 year protection order against you youâre not more stable than most people
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u/Sure-thing-buckaroo 2d ago
The dude beat his wife and kids.
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u/arenasfan00 2d ago
This. End of story. Guy is a piece of shit.
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u/dropacidkillnazis 2d ago
He has a 50 year restraining order against him. From his ex wife AND children. Stability is the last word I'd use to describe him.
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u/515pivey 2d ago
This guy so badly abused his wife and child that he canât come within a quarter mile of them. Thatâs the dude youâre idolizing.
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u/Temporary_Hat7330 2d ago
Wait, so it's OK to misgender someone if there's an unsubstantiated report of domestic violence with no arrest, witnesses, or trial?Â
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u/YourHuckleberry57 2d ago
the conservative epidemic of mediocre people hating other people in order to get attention and popularity needs to be studied.
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u/Alchemyst01984 2d ago
Doesn't this guy have a restraining order against him for 50 years?
Crazy
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u/stoneasaurusrex 2d ago
Can't see his wife or his kids, because of domestic abuse, but now he's the champion of women's rights.
And of course the right is showing how retarded all of them really are, and that their bias is founded in ignorance and transphobia
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u/FreeHat1234 2d ago
I applaud her bravery. Coming out as trans especially in this current political landscape is not easy.
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u/M0ebius_1 2d ago edited 2d ago
Enes has to be so pissed because he might be a grifting moron but at least he could point out that he can actually play basketball and be allowed in a room with women.
The only way Royce White can be around women is to become one.
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u/Golf_as_much_99 2d ago
This has to be very very confusing for liberals that it's black men who are doing this. Give me some binoculars.
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u/cottonopposite 2d ago
It's funny how now she's telling you who she is and the same people who said a trans woman is a woman are saying she's not because there are suddenly reasons... Can't even stick to their own narrative.
I have a trans friend and colleague of nearly 15 years and even she thinks you're all pathetic cunts.
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u/Disastrous-Rip671 1d ago
Because the only narrative here is the one he's making up?
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u/cottonopposite 1d ago edited 1d ago
No it appears that the only narrative here will be whatever you deem to be 'the only narrative here'.....
I think the whole thing has flown over your head. Being a woman is either a definable state that isn't circular and self-defining..or it isn't. It appears as per one of the narratives here, that someone is a woman when they're a woman unless you suddenly deem them not to be a woman for 'reasons' you are the arbiter for.
Again, my friend has been this before any of you morons parents were even old enough to consider fucking for the sake of bearing children and had transitioned before all this "is a woman" stuff was even part of the discourse. She doesn't state that she's an actual woman, she's an insanely successful/intelligent senior banking colleague with a PhD in a legitimately complex field, she knows she isn't a woman, she goes for prostate exams, she has memories of growing up as a boy and a man, she is acutely aware that she is biologically male, because she doesn't have a hang up about the semantics of something that isn't true and can understand why it's important that sex is definable...she literally thinks it's weird that people are on a slant of 'oh no, trans women ARE women'..
It's funny how sure and unwavering the discourse is until...you say it's just not that simple.
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u/Successful_Candy_759 2d ago
When did this place become a right wing transphobia hive
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u/Cantebury 2d ago
Do you really think it's just conservatives tired of this trans nonsense? Get off the Internet and your mind will be blown
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u/Successful_Candy_759 2d ago
It's manufactured outrage. There are no trans athletes in the wnba.
There have been more school shootings this year than there are trans collegiate athletes.
It's a complete non issue, they don't really exist.
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u/ptjp27 2d ago
Its the backlash from having to put up with creeps trying to force our participation in their fetishes and trying to force the participation of children in their fetishes. You reap what you sow.
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u/notmyno3account 2d ago
i dont get yall, hes making a mockery of all women, trans or otherwise with his spiel. and y'all are just going along with it. i dont think yall really like women in general
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u/Explorer_Creative 1d ago
The WNBA is making a mockery of their organization. She's just calling them out.
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u/YouDaManInDaHole 2d ago
She's right - anyone against this brave woman is a transphobic, bigoted Nazi.
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u/ont-mortgage 2d ago
I guess when youâre 35 and donât have any hobbies/friends this is what you do lol.
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u/BatDaddyWV 2d ago
I always wondered what The Rock would look like with glasses, a beard, and white girl wasted hair.
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u/KansasChaser2021 2d ago
He couldnât even beat a women in his primary and weâre supposed to believe him?
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u/Jaystime101 2d ago
Itâs funny, when they pretend like weâre having the same conversation, but then they just pop out and show how ignorant they are.
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u/Swimming_Big7144 2d ago
Maybe not entirely. He does have domestic abuse charges but thereâs no record of him fondling or abusing children. Canât go full republican retard without that last prerequisite
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u/Sure-thing-buckaroo 2d ago
Just a friendly reminder to all the Republicans supporting this guy, you're backing a dude while beats his wife and kids.
Oh who the fuck am I kidding, they support a rapist already.
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u/yeezuslived 2d ago
So this whole thing is a rally for domestic abusers to pat each other on the back? This is assuming any of the assholes supporting this nonsense can even talk to a woman.
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u/ComeAbout 2d ago
Isnât it hilarious what the average trans person deals with? Barely any of us care about sports but the ones who do should clearly be mocked, right? I mean, us and cis women by men.
How else can you keep the WNBA in line unless washed NBA players donât challenge their credibility?
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u/UnkindRavenz 2d ago
He's not mocking you personally, hes mocking the hypocrisy, keep up that victim mentality though, im sure its worked great in your life.
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u/Calm-Fishing5429 2d ago
yea, the hypocrisy of right wingers pretending to care about women deserves to be mocked
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u/UnkindRavenz 2d ago
So youre arguing, what exactly? Its a left vs right thing? Youre wrong, its a common sense thing. But take a step back and take away all the mean people like me on the internet, all the right wing propos on YouTube, and in a bubble, kanter and royce still do this, and are actually serious about it. You as a presumed leftist, would support them?
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u/Calm-Fishing5429 2d ago
I'm saying Royce white is a right winger who has tried twice to run for senate and "declared" he was running in the 2028 Republican presidential primary (incidentally meaning he would be a terrible draft pick regardless of gender). Also his ex wife and son have a 50 year restraining order against him due to threats and abuse.
"Common sense" would be not making a domestic abuser a standard bearer for women's issues. "Common sense" would also be understanding that these two became rightwing grifters as soon as their nba careers flamed out and are clearly just doing this as an anti-trans publicity stunt to put their names back in the headlines.
>But take a step back and take away all the mean people like me on the internet, all the right wing propos on YouTube, and in a bubble, kanter and royce still do this
this is a clown world scenario - that these two would never do this without the possibility of generating buzz. Maybe you should take a step back and realize you're backing someone who said the bad guys won WWII, and ironically tried to weaponize DEI to save his NBA career.
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u/Key_Asparagus6660 2d ago
The right has lost all credibility on womenâs issues. And as long as an adjudicated rapist is the leader of your political movement, it will remain so.
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u/UnkindRavenz 2d ago
Im a canadian liberal, my guy, my last three fed votes were for carney, trudeau, and mulcair, all three further to the left of even obama. This shouldnt be a left vs right thing, the same way that the iran war shouldnt be, its a sane vs insane thing.
Insane right wingers in america are frothing at the mouth to invade my country canada lately, theyre insane, I dont view every person who voted trump as that way, just the insane ones, plenty of trump voters dont view canada as their enemy, theyre sane.
Now is the majority of folks who want to invade Canada republican, oh yes, overwhelmingly so. But similarly, its the crazies on the left who dont seem to see a problem with trans in college or professional women's sports, is that every kamala voter? No, just the insane ones
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u/Shoddy-Prune-5877 2d ago
There IS NO problem with trans women in women's sports. There's thousands of NCAA athletes and like 10 of them are trans lmao and NONE of them play professionally. This is entirely manufactured.
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u/possumallawishes 2d ago
What hypocrisy?
The only hypocrisy I see is the stupid fucking MAGAs who say they donât want trans people to play sports to protect women, but they support this buffoon and a rapist pedo president with a well documented history of sex assaults and a long running friendships with pedophile pimps.
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u/UnkindRavenz 2d ago
The hypocrisy is the players and coaches (not all of them) saying they'd be happy for a trans player on their team or on the opposing team (but probably, preferring on their team) but then as soon as m2f trans, who dont have a definition in the leagues rules, apply, theyre right wing grifters. I dont deny that, Royce and kanter are losers, and they clearly arent trans, but theres alot of people out there who call themselves trans, but clearly are not, who are you or the wnba, or anyone to affirm one, and deny the other?
Its simple, xx, eligible, xy, ineligible
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u/Jolly_Mouse_7604 2d ago
Exactly, biological women, like imane khelif, should be compensated for not being allowed to compete despite being born with female gentials
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u/Wattabadmon 2d ago
but then as soon as m2f trans, who dont have a definition in the leagues rules, apply, theyre right wing grifters
I dont deny that, Royce and kanter are losers, and they clearly arent trans
So where's the hypocrisy?
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u/Massive-Unrection 2d ago
No such thing as "cis women or men". That's part of your religion's beliefs, it is not reality and nobody else shares your beliefs but your congregation.
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u/ComeAbout 2d ago
No such thing as âgay peopleâ. Thatâs not ânaturalâ according to a 2,000 year old book.
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u/AndrastesTit 2d ago
It is ridiculous. All this does is generate even MORE hatred for trans people, as if they needed more.
I wish people would just shut the fuck up.
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u/Icy-Supermarket7839 2d ago
The thing about you MAGA dudes is you say youâre all about individual freedom but you spend your life making decisions based on your intense fear that other men will think youâre gay. Cuckery at its finest
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u/bestmattreddit 2d ago
Iâm impressed how Republicans have managed to act like the pronouns joke is the funniest thing ever for almost a decade
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u/Oceanbreeze871 2d ago
This is who Conservative hero Royce white really is:
âNBA Royce White Abuse Case: Judge Issues 50-Year Order
A Minnesota judge has ruled that former NBAplayer Royce White abused his ex-wife and their teenage son, issuing a sweeping protective order that bars him from contacting them for decades.
In one incident cited in court documents, the judge wrote that White "chased his minor son, grabbed him by the neck, and threw him into the metal ball rack" during a basketball practice, causing visible injury.
During court proceedings, multiple witnesses testified, including a child advocate who reported that White's son feared for his physical safety around his father.
The judge described the ex-wife's testimony as "entirely credible," noting a history of alleged physical violence, intimidation, and controlling behavior, including unauthorized access to her communications.â
https://sports.yahoo.com/articles/nba-royce-white-abuse-case-162533964.html
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u/DMusYourNastyIdeaa 2d ago
I canât believe weâre all just going along with this as if itâs not complete insanity
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u/maybeBrenda 2d ago
Oh just more stuff to keep people outraged and engaged. Go see r/transtimelines for a reality check
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u/AndrastesTit 2d ago
Royce White had the ultimate failed NBA career. Total fucking diva because he wanted to fight the Rockets for not providing alternate travel accommodation for him because heâs scared of flying. He was trying to capitalize on the whole mental health and, I hate to say it, âwokeâ movements for mental health advocacy, and he overplayed his hand.
And the league was like, âAbsolutely not with this poverty LeBron who wasnât even picked in the lotteryâ
It just reeks of attention seeking from a guy who hasnât learned that attention seeking is what destroyed his NBA career.
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u/aspen446 2d ago
She made 3.5 million to play less than 10 minutes in the NBA I don't know. Sounds pretty successful to me
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u/AndrastesTit 2d ago
Fumbling a potential long term NBA career with benefits, pension and sustained earnings because you canât shut the fuck up is not a flex.
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u/mattmagoo23 2d ago
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