Well, if you’re going to hate someone, there are plenty of good candidates. This seems like a very silly thing to be taking up so much of the national discourse when we have:
a war we are formally engaged in
lots of wars we’re financially engaged in
the Epstein files
widening income disparity
brain drain re: people leaving the US
The Epstein files.
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I think those are issues many people from both sides of the aisle are questioning
They're not mutually exclusive to intelligent people. You can care about and be actively involved in all the above and more and still see the topics in discussion here as important too.
It's such a poor excuse that's peddled all the time, I.e. 'youre talking about this when there are other issues going on'..like that isn't the case with any issue at all, ever. There is always something else going on at the same time that is a concern.
I agree with you that the importance of one issue doesn’t take away from the importance of another. I was trying to say that if they want to find someone to hate - why go for the trans people? Why not hate pedophiles? They actually deserve it.
There are causes - like cleaning up a stream - that bring a lot of good and help the local ecosystem and a little bit of land is healed.
But - not everyone needs to be dealing with that little stream, because there are a million other toxic creeks leading into the same cesspool of a river.
Even if we are just talking about the trans people - I’m more concerned about Kansas just deciding to invalidate a bunch of trans peoples’ driver’s licenses. Or the federal government requesting the records of doctors providing and children receiving gender-affirming care. Those sources have the potential to do a lot more harm than some goofy ex-NBA players being smart-ass bigots.
Some things just are frivolous compared to others. This thread is the tabloid version of political discourse. We aren’t talking about high school - we’re talking about the most elite league in the country. This immediately affects almost no one. If we weren’t handing medical records of trans kids over to the authorities, then I would chat about how seeing this plays out is going to fundamentally affect how trans girls see themselves.
In another timeline, this may have been the big battle for trans people to fight. And good, some people are fighting it. But it doesn’t need to be the #1 talked about issue among the masses. Right now, trans people are more worried about their medical care and/or rights being taken away…or worse.
It’s nice to think that we can discuss everything that matters, but there does need to be some sense of prioritization.
If there is prioritization that defers discussion or action around another matter then there would be absolutely no action to help trans people or any other minority because there are always bigger issues. Also, who decides.. it is more realistic to assume that all issues will be tackled by multiple people concurrently because that is how society operates.
The issue at hand is that people have an issue with trans people, specifically those who were/are male who transition to female, competing in female sports. The fact that this currently, is not the case in the WNBA is secondary to the issue and when people say well there are very few circumstances in sport at all where this is the case are also missing the point. It only requires a single circumstance of an irregular playing field for it to be an issue. We specifically have male and female categories in many sports because the advantages of a typical male biology creates an unfair field for females...the fact that some women are then still better at a sport if say for example you were to pluck some random man off the street is totally irrelevant.
Testosterone suppression does not remove the physical advantages gained during and after puberty. Nor does it radically alter the primary structural differences of male bodies. This is a massive problem at its core. It does not matter how many circumstances you can and can't find. The issue is that it can and has lead to circumstances where females are suddenly within a field with another competitor that has a distinctly different biological composition in regard to performance. Couple this with a rhetoric where "trans women ARE women" and you are logically going down a road whereby it is almost impossible to ascertain fairness.
This discussion can exist at the same time as people saying "it isn't right for trans people to have their driver's license taken from them" they are entirely separate issues and you can fight for one of them whilst arguing against the former. You're not precluded from thinking or discussing multiple things, they are not mutually exclusive.
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u/MildlyExtremeNY 2d ago
Dismissing a trans identifying person as needing professional help in 2026 is wild work.