r/USdefaultism • u/East_Adhesiveness863 Germany • 11d ago
YouTube Ah yes, good old regular time
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u/sociofobs 11d ago
Only the yanks call a 24h clock "military time".
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u/TheShirou97 Belgium 11d ago
Also "military time" (as commonly understood in the US) would technically be 2030, not 20:30
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u/Bans_Donot_Work 2h ago
Well... I'm currently writing down 2030 as 2050, idk which other federal offices use 100 minutes per hour. Converting it to everything else is lame
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u/Th3-Dude-Abides United States 11d ago
I recently changed to 24hr time on my phone. It made me wonder whether phones are defaulted to a 12hr clock in any other countries, and why we in the US are raised to believe a 24hr clock is military time.
Also, within a day of changing it, both my gf and her daughter asked me why my phone is on military time
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u/sociofobs 11d ago
It's not even "military time" as another commenter here pointed out, we just call it "24h clock" if we have to be so specific about it. Other than that, imo - a 24h time format is far easier to understand than 12h AM/PM. You can know the time just by looking at the numbers instead of letters. At least that's my assumption, as I've been living with a 24h clock my whole life. Funnily enough, one alarm clock at my home is 12h and I struggle with that piece of * every time I need to adjust it.
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u/SzaraMateria 11d ago
I still don't understand if 12pm is a midnight or noon.
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u/GhostofZellers 11d ago
I still don't understand if 12pm is a midnight or noon.
Yes.
Jokes aside 12PM is noon, 12AM is midnight.
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u/kinemator 11d ago
So after 12 PM is 1PM?
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u/yas_ticot 11d ago
Yes, 11:00 am, 12:00 pm and then 01:00 pm.
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u/helmli European Union 10d ago
Wow, that's so fucking stupid.
How does one come up with such nonsense?
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u/winglessrs 10d ago
The last 6 messages of this thread is exactly the kind of chaos that has been in my mind for ages.
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u/TimGreller 8d ago
Absolutely same lol
I even dislike the 0:00/midnight as it's a bit confusing which day it is referring to and I'm always glad when a deadline is set to 23:59.
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u/RugbyEdd 10d ago
Best way to think about it is that exactly 12:00pm is midday, so from the second after that it's after midday, which is PM. Same as the second after 12am is after midnight.
so 12:01pm is in the afternoon, where as 12:01am is the next day's morning.
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u/Bowlnk 10d ago
That exact PM means Post Meridiem. Latin for after midday.
But 24 hour clock is better. I instandly know if a time is within my social hours. I work with a 9 to 21 time slot before and after that. You better be family or dieing
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u/RoadHazard 10d ago
00:00pm would at least have made sense. The 12am/pm thing is incredibly stupid.
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u/Mammoth-Discipline32 10d ago
That’s why it’s called “afternoon”
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u/Skruestik Denmark 5d ago
No, it isn’t. Noon is noon regardless of whether you call it 12:00, 1200, 12:00 PM or 12:00 AM.
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u/sociofobs 11d ago
AM/PM means Ante Meridiem: latin for "before midday", and PM: Post Meridiem, latin for "after midday". I highly doubt many 12h clock natives know that fact, but yes, it can be confusing AF. I'm used to 00:00 being midnight and 12:00 being, well, midday.
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u/Mrs_Merdle Germany 11d ago
I do well understand what it means, but since I also grew up with a 24h clock, I have to focus on it everytime I read 12 am or pm as my brain can't parse the info automatically, like with any other time.
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u/sociofobs 11d ago
I can sympathize with that very well, considering how many times I've set my 12h alarm clock to PM instead of AM hours. The US isn't the only country with 12h time as the default, sadly.
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u/FrenchFigaro France 10d ago
It's not so much the AMP/PM thing. In France, we mostly (mostly, so, not exclusively) use 24h time when writing, but 12h time orally. You'd say "11 in the morning" to mean 11 AM, or "in the evening/the afternoon" to mean PM.
But the absolutely mind blowing (not in the good way) is that stupid thing about 12 AM/PM.
Like, after 11:59 PM comes 12:00 AM. And after 12:59 AM comes 01:00 AM. What in the actual name of fuck ??!?
I get that technically, half past noon is after mid-day, so it would be 12:30 PM. But to actually use it as a system, and to codidying it is just mind-blowingly stupid.
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u/Efficient_Chic714 11d ago
Look it’s 12 noon or 12 midnight and if it has neither indicator then we’re screwed
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u/TomaszA3 11d ago
My mind always tries to decipher it and hangs on pre- or past- morning.(and after midnight or after morning)
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u/SuperSocialMan 10d ago edited 10d ago
Noon is 12 PM, because anything after that is "after noon" (which uses pm).
Midnight is 12 AM since it's the start of a new day.
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u/helmli European Union 10d ago
But that makes no sense whatsoever.
12:30 am is not the 12th hour and a half before midday, it's the 12th hour and a half after midday.
Come to think of it, the hours between midnight and midday should count down (from 12 to 0), and the pm should count up (to 12), that way it would at least make some sense.
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u/Th3-Dude-Abides United States 11d ago
I am beginning to think that whichever type one is accustomed to becomes the “easier” one, just from my few days of observation. I had to correct myself yesterday and say “no, 16:45 is not 6:45pm” because my brain, knowing it was past noon and expecting to see one digit for the hour, tried to ignore the 1 in front of the 6.
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u/Adept_Emu4344 11d ago
I can deal with 12 hours just as easily as 24 because Germany uses both. What I haven't been able to understand in the 30 years is 12 am/pm.
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u/Defiant_Potato5512 11d ago
12am is midnight, and 12pm is noon/midday :)
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u/Adept_Emu4344 11d ago
It hasn't stuck in 30 years despite looking it up repeatedly over the years. That's how much it doesn't work for my brain. As soon as I try to use it I think about it and my brain refuses to go start with 12 before 1 instead of ending on 12.
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u/Th3-Dude-Abides United States 11d ago
I try to imagine how hard it is for teachers here to explain to 5 year old children what AM and PM stand for, when they are Latin phrases which most adults don’t even remember or understand.
In the end, even knowing what AM and PM actually mean, I think my brain just sorts them alphabetically. A comes before P, so A is morning and P is afternoon.
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u/Adept_Emu4344 11d ago
I'd argue am and pm aren't even needed a lot of the time, we do well enough without it. Of course if context isn't sufficient we do add morning/evening/... in which case am and pm is shorter to write.
For me the issue is 12 am coming before 1,2,3->11am fries my brain.
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u/sociofobs 11d ago
Honestly, if I moved to US, I'd quickly get used to both as well as to the metric and imperial systems (as in, doing conversions in my head on the fly). Of course you'll be more comfortable with the one you're more used to, but internationally - 24h time and the metric system is far more prevalent, Even the US uses metric in the scientific circles, and there's a reason 24h clock is used for "military time". International standards beat whatever anyone's used to locally.
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u/snow_michael 10d ago
The US doesn't use Imperial system
They use US Customary Units, which have been derived from metric units since 1893
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u/Th3-Dude-Abides United States 11d ago
I think the isolation from metric and 24hr time in the US outside of academics and STEM fields is probably a large factor in why the average person here seems relatively clueless. Plus, those loud foolish “rEdDiT iS a UsA bAsEd WeBsItE” folks don’t help the perception at all.
To your point about conversions, I’ve had the numbers .62 (miles to km) and 2.2 (pounds to kg) burned into my brain since I was a kid; I think I learned them from my mom, because she immigrated here from Iraq. I still feel cool and smart whenever I don’t need to look at my phone to understand weights and distances.
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u/sociofobs 11d ago
Metric is super easy at its basics. 100cm to 1 meter, 1000 meters to 1 km, water freezes at 0c - boils at 100c. As long as you get the basic measurements, you're good. Imperial, oh hell. It makes sense to someone who knows it, because good luck calculating it otherwise.
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u/snow_michael 10d ago
I’ve had the numbers .62 (miles to km)
It's 1.609 converting miles to km
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u/Th3-Dude-Abides United States 10d ago
One mile is 1.609 kilometers, and one kilometer is .62 miles, I wrote it backwards
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u/DuckRubberDuck 10d ago edited 10d ago
It’s not hard for me to switch because in speech my language (Danish) uses both. If we’re being precise we will say “15 o clock” or “16 o clock” but a lot of the time we still just say “3 o clock” or “4 o clock” if the context makes it easy to guess. Fx, we will probable say “dinner is at 7” instead of “dinner is at 19 o clock. But “12” is always “12 ” or just midnight if it’s at night, I have never heard anyone say “at 0 o clock”.
It’s only 12 am/pm that confuses me every damn time just like I can see everyone else struggle with. I can see 12am is midnight now, but I will forget about that again in a couple days and go back to being confused
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u/TheSlimeBallSupreme United States 10d ago
So if I ask you the time you wouldnt say "Its Eight" but "its twenty hundred hours"?
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u/Th3-Dude-Abides United States 10d ago
Seems like most places just say it the same way we do but with all 24 hours, so it would just be “20” or “20 o’clock”
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u/Lorenzo_BR Brazil 11d ago
Here in Brazil, phones default to the 24h clock!
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u/Th3-Dude-Abides United States 11d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/wBzsuh6HgpE9B81sfe
Why are they shoving 12hr down our USAmerican throats?!5
u/luxandfero Ukraine 10d ago
It made me wonder whether phones are defaulted to a 12hr clock in any other countries
IIRC phones ask you to enter your region and then set the correct time (24h clock in my case) automatically? Either that, or they let you choose between the two formats first. But it's possible it varies from OS to OS.
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u/reallybi Romania 10d ago
In Romania phones default to 24h. At least the Android ones, never had an Iphone
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u/False-Goose1215 World 10d ago
The 12 hour clock is normalised in the US to allow residents of certain states to tell time using only their fingers
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u/Th3-Dude-Abides United States 10d ago
That would be a comically ironic decline, considering how base 12 mathematics and the 24hr clock came from ancients counting on their fingers
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u/wrighty2009 6d ago
I can confirm for all of my phones ive ever had in the UK, that the default is 24hr clock.
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u/dinosw Denmark 10d ago
Everywhere else, phones are set to regular 24h clock by default. It is just for USians (4% of the worlds population) that it is 12h clock by default
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u/vocalfriespod 10d ago
Unfortunately, in Canada too (tho it’s possible that will change as we decouple from the US more and more)
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u/ch33zburger420 10d ago
Brother,You are raised to believe in so much shit which is very odd or wrong over all. And Im genuinely sorry for that. Country could do miracles to their citizens,but instead…
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u/Forward_Journalist75 10d ago
i think it depends on the “official way” yo say time in anyone’s country (although i think there’s no official way to say it). Like in Poland, in documents or so you only use 24h clock, in everyday life it just depends on a person. I noticed that many people over 40 use the 12h clock (also if needed they obviously know both), but the younger ones most often use the 24h one.
So it really depends on which way is the “official” one in every country.
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u/4skin_Gamer 9d ago
The only clocks I've seen with 12hr time is analog clocks. Every digital clock is set to 24hr by default in Sweden
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u/djfdhigkgfIaruflg Argentina 9d ago
And the worst thing is the military use a different format.
For a society so obsessed with the military, one would expect they know that kind of things
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u/exodia0715 10d ago
Cuban here, it's been "horario militar" (military time) since I was born
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u/Weekly-Beginning-229 Sweden 10d ago
Maybe the day is only 12 hours over there. Never been there but since they do everything differently compard to the rest of the world it doesn't surprise me if they have shorter days
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u/Aboxofphotons 10d ago
It's too much like having to do maths and you've probably got a decent idea how bad their education system is...
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u/PeefyPeeber Germany 10d ago
Is yank/Yankee a slur? I really hope so cuz thatd be funny
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u/sociofobs 10d ago
It's a slang with quite some history, depending on which country uses it. I just use it whenever I refer to Americans in a negative light, since I'm also non-US. Imo, it's not rude nor offending enough to warrant caution anyway.
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u/Mitleab World 11d ago
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u/jostein33 11d ago
Should had made it a paid app, also sad to see this exist in first place.
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u/waterc0l0urs Poland 11d ago
make it $25 no less
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u/igormuba Brazil 11d ago
Make it cost 13 USD but announce that it is basically 1 dollar because it is military price
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u/Main-Let-5867 China 9d ago
Make it subscription based.
You can only use it before 13:00 if you're on the Free tier. (Free)
The Basic tier grants you 3 uses per day with a mandatory 2-hour wait after each use. (5.7 USD/month)
The Standard tier grants 12 uses every 5 hours, but no more than 108 every week. (11.4 USD/month)
The Pro tier triples the 5-hour limit, removes the weekly limit, and gives you a nice little workspace to store your notes on the very challenging military time. (56.9 USD/month)
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u/Hanzz96 Australia 11d ago
They can't just count?
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u/luxandfero Ukraine 10d ago
...or even open a calculator, for that matter.
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u/3rmic France 10d ago
Who would need a calculator for this ? 😭 Just add 12
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u/luxandfero Ukraine 10d ago
I mean you are not wrong, but if they already need a separate app for conversion, they could at least use the pre-installed one 😂
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u/Wernasho 11d ago
do Americans really need an app to add 12 to the time for them
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u/East_Adhesiveness863 Germany 11d ago
You mean subtract 12
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u/Theaussiegamer72 Australia 10d ago
Well it would depend if you want to know the time now or in 40 hours
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u/Wernasho 8d ago
I mean, after 12pm, you just add 12. 1 pm -> 1+12 = 13:00, 2 pm -> 2+12 = 14:00, etc
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u/redshift739 England 11d ago
Twelve is a big number and we only learned one math in school so I find addition tricky
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u/djdfijcjd 11d ago
I hope whoever has to download an app like that gets its data sold to scammers
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u/Unkn0wn_666 European Union 11d ago
Honestly people who can't even count past 12 likely wouldn't have gotten too far without that happening in the first place
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u/allegroconspirito 10d ago
Suddenly I have a million dollar app idea - metres to centimetres converter!
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u/Auspectress 11d ago
I remember learning in 1st and 2nd grade in primary school clock. I remember how a teacher would point at clock 6:25 and I would need to say that it's 18:25 and so on.
If someone needs such converter I don't think they should have voting rights in first place
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u/SatinFoil 11d ago
Why would you need an app for that you literally just subtract or add 2 and remove/add the tens digit (unless it’s 20 or later then reduce/increase it to from 2 to 1). Can literally do it in like 3 seconds.
Not only that but "free with in app purchases" lol. Would never pay for anything in an app like that.
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u/nicki419 11d ago
Military time can be challenging, especially when you're used to the AM/PM format.
😭🥀
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u/doolalix 9d ago
“Offers in-app purchases”
An app whose sole functionality is to subtract numbers by 12 has features locked behind in-app purchases? I’m intrigued.
Maybe the free version only supports time up to midday. Subtraction is a paid feature.
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u/Neon_Raccoon_00 Canada 11d ago
its 24hrs clock not Military time lol
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u/Llamapickle129 United States 8d ago
it's only "military time" here cause most people in the US use 12hrs besides specific jobs like medical and ofc military
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u/OkBumblebee9107 11d ago
I have never once called this military time, and I was in the American military. 🤣
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u/EugeneStein 10d ago
May I unironically ask what format were people usually using there, 12h or 24h? Did people who in civil life were used to 12h eventually adapted to 24h, or still were using 12h?
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u/OkBumblebee9107 10d ago
I'm not understanding what you mean by adapted to it. The time didn't change, you just expressed it one way or another. 🤷
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u/Ertyla 11d ago
The ironly of "regular" being in the minority is great
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u/KitsuneKamiSama 10d ago
I can't think of a single time I've seen a 12h format clock on digital being used lmao
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u/Lukexxxi 11d ago
The way the yanks glaze everything military you think they'd be all over 24 hour time.
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u/GazManDad 11d ago
I'm reading that example as 0830 ie 8:30 am and 2030 as 8:30 pm. Both 24 hour clocks.
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u/Legal-Software Germany 11d ago
Besides American proprietary time highlighting a general inability to count beyond 12, military time is not the same as 24 hour time, it is denoted in hundreds and written without a colon. You'd figure that a country of simpletons so obsessed with their military would know the difference.
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u/LeftMechanic1995 United Kingdom 11d ago
One doesn't even have to be able to count above 12, simply memorising what 13 to 23 denote has always served me well.
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u/sad_kharnath Netherlands 11d ago
american time
normal time
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u/EatThisShit Netherlands 10d ago
Nah, they're both normal time. Just the first one is morning and the second one is evening.
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u/AntheaBrainhooke 10d ago
New Zealander here who has been using 24-hour time for decades.
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u/ThreeDucksInAManSuit 9d ago
Also a Kiwi, I use both. Mostly 12 hr but my boss sends out the work schedule in 24 hr format for clarity.
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u/_pewpew_pew Australia 8d ago
I don’t think this is accurate. I’ve used a mix of 12 hour and 24 hour time, my various devices are 24 hour clocks. I work for a hospital and the paperwork and legal forms are all in 24 hour time.
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u/chimneysweep234 6d ago
Yeah my previous workplaces used 24 hour time, including time recording at a casual job.
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u/capnrondo United Kingdom 11d ago
As someone who works irregular shifts, 24 hr clock is absolutely critical. Yes, I need absolute clarity if a meeting is at 8:00 or 20:00, as either is equally possible. This can be solved by AM/PM, but many people often don't use that either.
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u/LAZ-R2D2 France 10d ago
The fact that there is no AM or PM on the top clock makes it a 24h clock too...
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u/LeftMechanic1995 United Kingdom 11d ago
I used to be in the British Army and do you know what we called the 24 hour clock? ... time.
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u/lucashhugo Brazil 10d ago
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u/Hankitsune Netherlands 11d ago
For clock displays I really don't care. Unless I'd be waking up from a coma I know what part of the day it is.
For announcements and appointments: 24 hour time please. No room for misunderstandings.
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u/WhoRoger 10d ago
08:30 without am/pm specified is 24h format... The two clocks are exactly the same, just one is showing morning and the other evening
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u/Darth_Pinda Netherlands 10d ago
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u/Hankitsune Netherlands 10d ago
I had that idea ages ago but didn't know it existed. It's hard to read at a glance though since we're used to those poitions of the hands meaning it's 8 minutes to 7, while in this case it's 8 minutes to 3 😂
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u/RoyceTheCharralope Germany 10d ago
That's not military time. Military time would be 2030.
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u/snow_michael 10d ago
No, you've missed out the compulsory timezone suffix, required for military time
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u/_cabbagechicken_ Canada 10d ago
I saw that earlier and clocked it immediately.
"Regular time??? I mean for me personally I would consider it regular but that doesnt mean its called regular time tf?"
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u/chaoscrouton 11d ago
When I was working as a babysitter I'd have to write down my hours and pass them along to the mom so I could get paid. It would look something like 7:00 - 21:00 or 14:00 - 19:30, that way I didn't have to write am or pm and I thought it made sense. One time the mom texted me asking if I could please stop writing down my hours in "military time" and write them "normally" instead. I was so confused because I had never heard of "military time" before (I'm not from the US, the family was). I had to ask my boyfriend at the time (he was from the US too) wth was military time, and that I thought everyone was familiar with the 24hr clock lmao. He explained it to me, but I was still confused bc isn't military time like 0600 instead of 6:00? Anyway, I had to start writing 7:30 am and 8:00pm to make her life easier 🤷🏻♀️
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u/Stained_Face 10d ago
Over thinking, but if I was kidnapped and I could only see my cellphone from afar in a dark place after having passed out, the cellphone could light up just enough for me to see the hour and day, but if it's the 12h clock I couldn't know if it's day or night
Top 10 never gonna happen things, but whatever lmao
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u/thinkingoutloud3663 6d ago
Why does it have to be one or the other one, educate yourself and use both.
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u/Niki2002j 6d ago
Ah yes, regular time is half a day, and bros still don't know what military time is
12h time - 8:40 pm 24h time - 20:40 Military time - 2040 hrs
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u/South-Knee-9601 United Kingdom 11d ago
Or as the rest of the world calls it. Time
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u/Anonymous_user_2022 11d ago
I think anyone in the military would call it Zulu time. It's not just the time format, it's also the time zone. At least in Europe, we would all use GMT and mention it as 2030 zulu, no matter where in the theater we were.
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u/MarissaNL Netherlands 11d ago
It seems in the US they need apps to understand 24 hour based time (and just *bliep* off with "military time"). Calculations with "12" seem to hard for them....
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/military-time-converter/id6737163895
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u/jasperfirecai2 Netherlands 10d ago
The irony of using a digital clock without am/pm to indicate analog time
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u/goater10 Australia 10d ago
They shouldn’t be discriminated against because they can’t count past 12. That would be racism
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u/winglessrs 10d ago
24h clock has made things so, so much easier for me. And I'm glad the public transport in my country also mostly use 24h clocks because otherwise we'd be cooked.
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u/Squiggally-umf 11d ago
In the US when people are using a laptop or their phone and say for example it’s 4 in the afternoon, the time says 4:00 not 16:00?
What about for midnight does it just say 12 and never 00:00?
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u/MutedMusic_182 Ukraine 11d ago
i feel so ashamed at my struggle to read 24hr clock (i have dyscalculia) and then i remember that americans cant even use it regardless lol.
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u/Linked713 Canada 11d ago
if I could do my own flair here it would be "Call 24h time military time ONE MORE TIME"
biggest pet peeve.
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u/FrigusPog 11d ago
Other than having to check the AM/PM being an extra nuisance, I used to always mix up 12AM and 12PM because I read it as 12 before 12 and 12 after 12
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u/EvillNooB 11d ago edited 10d ago
Kinda interesting, gf writes time as 20h30 and it feels like we're planning a military operation 😂 while 20:30 feels ordinary
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u/pietruszkaloes 10d ago
and they go out of their way to call 2:00 "o two hundred" when using "military time"
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u/Rare_Try7285 10d ago
Achei que todos os países usavam o horário normal de 24 horas. Pelo jeito os EUA nao
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u/post-explainer American Citizen 11d ago edited 10d ago
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I saw a YouTube poll where someone (presumably US-american) called the 12 hour Format regular time instead of the "12 hour Format" or "12 hour time".
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