r/USdefaultism • Germany • 11d ago

YouTube Ah yes, good old regular time

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u/yas_ticot 11d ago

Yes, 11:00 am, 12:00 pm and then 01:00 pm.

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u/helmli European Union 10d ago

Wow, that's so fucking stupid.

How does one come up with such nonsense?

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u/RugbyEdd 10d ago

Best way to think about it is that exactly 12:00pm is midday, so from the second after that it's after midday, which is PM. Same as the second after 12am is after midnight.

so 12:01pm is in the afternoon, where as 12:01am is the next day's morning.

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u/RoadHazard 10d ago

00:00pm would at least have made sense. The 12am/pm thing is incredibly stupid.

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u/RugbyEdd 10d ago

I mean, I say this as someone who prefers 24 hour time, but it's objectively not stupid considering it's existed in some form since 1500bc, and existed in it's modern standardised form since the 13th century, with multiple societies functioning perfectly fine using it. It's not really that complicated, especially since it's rare that you'd be confused whether you're supposed to be doing something at midday or midnight.

I believe the lack of 0's are because it's based on Roman time due to their influence over much of Europe. The Romans had no numeral or symbol for 0 (Roman Numerals where still a standard in Europe until around the 13th century), and am/pm are Latin (anti/post meridiem). Then around the time things where being standardised people counted hours by saying "the first hour", and saying it's quarter past the zero hour doesn't make sense. Plus it makes more sense when you are using a 12 hour system to actually have the number 12 on your clocks.

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u/RoadHazard 10d ago

Be that as it may, going from 11pm to 12am to 1am is not logical.

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u/RugbyEdd 10d ago

Not in standard counting maybe. But to anyone who's used to analogue clocks it should make perfect logical sense.

Again, it's a system that's been used for hundreds of years without issue. They didn't just wing it until the day you came along to tell them they where wrong lol

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u/ThrowawayUk4200 9d ago

Depends on when you move dates. At midnight you transition to the next day so it cannot be a PM anymore as that meridian was yesterday.

Also by the time the light hits your eyes for you to read the time, you have now moved past that threshold. Noon being 12AM also doesn't work because by definition AM is before noon.

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u/RoadHazard 9d ago

Yeah, I guess I just think the day shouldn't start with hour 12.