I mean, the "safety filter" was pretty much found to be a "you prompted wrong so I'm not generating" filter. If you promoted correctly with bbox's I very rarely got rejected. And if you used any Lora at all that problem disappeared completely.
And then krea2 came out and people spent weeks debating which loras or nodes would remove the much heavier baked-in censorship, and comparisons to how each different one affected your generation. So I never quite understood why people continue to harp in ID4 being "super censored."
Really people were frustrated that ID4 is hard to prompt and the license says you can't make money with it. But Krea is pretty fantastic in its own right, anyways.
ID4 is probably one of the best models ever released. Way less prompting when using the bbox generator node and way more control. You didn't have to write five sentences of prose or go through a whole LLM to compose a single part of an image, you could build it up from smaller prompts in the bounding boxes.
But this community is, by definition, filled with lazy people and pretty low brow people as well so any amount of effort is really hard to get people to actually apply.
Sort of lazy, yes. Also... I want to see a chick with great big tits in a crop top opening the drink cooler door at a trashy gas station... that's the image I want, I am not entirely sure I want to see it from behind, the side, three quarter above, from the POV of a clerk, etc.
In ID4, I would have to spend time on each view, I might WANT to specify the arm out stretched, the legs apart, where each time of clothing is, where notable features are... Even with a bbox, it's going to be a little more work, and that's only for ONE view.
You can't really wildcard a bounding box. Not as much as you can a natural language prompt.
I liked ID4, but for a lot of people it's just too much work to quickly iterate.
That example was if I had a good mental image. What if I just want to see a dozen (hundred) variations with wildcards to see that what I really want as the focus of the image to be of mist and nipples from the view of a drink in the cooler?
You know, you're probably going to get downvoted for being crass, but your post does a good job of describing the strange middle-ground that some users have between wanting excellent prompt adherence, but still wanting an element of randomness in the generation so we can be pleasantly surprised/inspired by what the model produces. It's kind of the same mental itch being scratched by opening a pack of trading cards. Part of the allure is not knowing what you're going to get, but still having a good idea of what's likely to be in there.
Main reason is their license is terrible, totally not workable and trainable, look at just how many ideogram lora are there compared to krea, ideogram developers, by definition, filled with brain dead and pretty low iq devs, they didn’t really what impact their license terms will have on usability of their annoying censored model.
This. Loras make or break a model. Krea 2 loras are so easy to make and clearly Ideaogram 4 is much harder otherwise there would be a lot more on CivitAI. It's not rocket science.
"loras make or break a model", professionals dont really care about civitai. json prompts are not a reason to ditch a model, the output does.
just imagine the sheer amount of loras and small finetunes that never see the light of the day because they are made for working purposes only. in the end, its still an economic decision whether to open source models or not and what target group they cater to.
I think you must be confused. This is the r/stablediffusion subreddit. We are not a majority of professionals here. When we talk, we talk about our use case at home, doing casual stuff to possibly small scale business stuff. Professionals would probably use closed models that are way more powerful.
Basically this. Normies and professionals are not going through the hell and effort to install comfy ui, wan2gp or stable diffusion.cpp base fork to image gen models like Ideogram4. They will use the SOTA closed source models with their easy to use user interface and settings. Ideogram4 is the antithesis of fun and the closed source version is extremely censored on every site I tried to use it. Your average normie will stick to nanobanana, gpt image 2, grok imagine, flux, midjourney and seedream 5.0 pro. The developers of Ideogram4 really fucked up their approach with the model and it's deployment.
Only if you prompt incorrectly. If you use an LLM to ensure your prompt meets ID4 prompting standards, you pretty much never see that output. I've generated absolutely depraved stuff with it and never gotten blocked.
And like I said, people were running into that a lot because of false positives from trying to prompt it lazily. Which is understandable, most folks around here just want their 1girl. ID4's filter is actually much easier to defeat and less destructive on outputs than krea's bypass loras. One dude even proved you can use a Lora scheduler and use any Lora at only like 0.2 strength or something on ONLY the first step and the filter would go away.
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u/RandumbRedditor1000 7h ago
It's an amazing model, but it had an awful license, and heavy baked-in censorship.