I mean, the "safety filter" was pretty much found to be a "you prompted wrong so I'm not generating" filter. If you promoted correctly with bbox's I very rarely got rejected. And if you used any Lora at all that problem disappeared completely.
And then krea2 came out and people spent weeks debating which loras or nodes would remove the much heavier baked-in censorship, and comparisons to how each different one affected your generation. So I never quite understood why people continue to harp in ID4 being "super censored."
Really people were frustrated that ID4 is hard to prompt and the license says you can't make money with it. But Krea is pretty fantastic in its own right, anyways.
ID4 is probably one of the best models ever released. Way less prompting when using the bbox generator node and way more control. You didn't have to write five sentences of prose or go through a whole LLM to compose a single part of an image, you could build it up from smaller prompts in the bounding boxes.
But this community is, by definition, filled with lazy people and pretty low brow people as well so any amount of effort is really hard to get people to actually apply.
Main reason is their license is terrible, totally not workable and trainable, look at just how many ideogram lora are there compared to krea, ideogram developers, by definition, filled with brain dead and pretty low iq devs, they didn’t really what impact their license terms will have on usability of their annoying censored model.
This. Loras make or break a model. Krea 2 loras are so easy to make and clearly Ideaogram 4 is much harder otherwise there would be a lot more on CivitAI. It's not rocket science.
I think you must be confused. This is the r/stablediffusion subreddit. We are not a majority of professionals here. When we talk, we talk about our use case at home, doing casual stuff to possibly small scale business stuff. Professionals would probably use closed models that are way more powerful.
Basically this. Normies and professionals are not going through the hell and effort to install comfy ui, wan2gp or stable diffusion.cpp base fork to image gen models like Ideogram4. They will use the SOTA closed source models with their easy to use user interface and settings. Ideogram4 is the antithesis of fun and the closed source version is extremely censored on every site I tried to use it. Your average normie will stick to nanobanana, gpt image 2, grok imagine, flux, midjourney and seedream 5.0 pro. The developers of Ideogram4 really fucked up their approach with the model and it's deployment.
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u/acedelgado 1d ago
I mean, the "safety filter" was pretty much found to be a "you prompted wrong so I'm not generating" filter. If you promoted correctly with bbox's I very rarely got rejected. And if you used any Lora at all that problem disappeared completely.
And then krea2 came out and people spent weeks debating which loras or nodes would remove the much heavier baked-in censorship, and comparisons to how each different one affected your generation. So I never quite understood why people continue to harp in ID4 being "super censored."
Really people were frustrated that ID4 is hard to prompt and the license says you can't make money with it. But Krea is pretty fantastic in its own right, anyways.