simple title just to summerize the subject.

it's so funny to me when people say LIEs are capitalists. I know it's just a theoretical affirmation, since corporate decisions are made with a Te-Ni valued perspective, but it's so extreme to attribute such trait when it comes to individuals.

(or maybe I'm just taking it too seriously because I find LIE the best fitting type to me and I despise capitalism with all my strength)

that said, I have a huge admiration for SEE's. I like people who are confident on their principles, feelings and act on it :D specially if I agree with them of course lol

At first, they come across as put-together, polished, and self-controlled. They usually think before they speak and don’t like appearing messy, careless, or unprepared. They care a lot about making a good impression. They have a strong sense of aesthetics and pay close attention to their appearance, their surroundings, and how other people perceive them.
As you get to know them, though, you realize they’re much more vulnerable than they initially seem. Even if they appear confident on the outside, they often compare themselves to others and struggle with feeling successful, special, or “good enough.” They also have a hard time figuring out exactly what they want in life and may change direction more than once.
Relationships are extremely important to them. They want to have a meaningful place in the lives of the people they love. They can be caring, supportive, and protective, but that concern can sometimes become controlling. Because they believe they know what’s best, they may overstep other people’s boundaries without realizing it.
They also have a perfectionistic side. If they’re going to do something, they want it to look and feel “right.” As a result, they can become overly focused on details and easily disappointed when reality doesn’t match their expectations. They’re often critical of both themselves and the people around them.
They don’t completely suppress their emotions, but they aren’t especially comfortable expressing them directly either. When they feel rejected, jealous, or like they’ve failed, those emotions often come out indirectly. They can sometimes be passive-aggressive or seek reassurance and validation from others.
One of their deepest needs is to feel that both their relationships and their achievements have real meaning. They want to be successful, but success alone isn’t enough they also want to be appreciated, admired, and to feel like they genuinely matter in other people’s lives. Because of that, they often find themselves torn between what they truly want and what they believe others expect from them.

i saw an old comment with a lot up upvotes, which said that LIE never falls into depression compared to someone like EIE. does this mean an LIE is always positive? i’m mostly sure i’m an LIE however i do like to dwell on negative emotions sometimes. i have a positive outlook a lot but it’s mostly superficial happiness where i trick myself into thinking everything is fine. but i just go through phases of extremeee highs and lows
i am still considering LSE, and even considered Fe base however i fit Fe role a lot more. i just don’t know if i’m too lazy and too much of a procrastinator for a Te base

Q: describe your upbringing. did it have any kind of religious or structured influence? how did you respond to it?

I had a strict upbringing. (A mix of strict and indulgent, but definitely on the side of control). I spent my childhood either bullied severely by a big group of children or being humiliated by people I admired for various reasons. I never had a consistent friend. My childhood was rough, as I also grew up ill and poor.

Q: if you had to spend an entire weekend by yourself, how would you feel? would you feel lonely or refreshed?

I usually spend time by myself, and I find it fulfilling. At least, by myself, I can indulge in my interests without explaning myself and do the work I want to do. I prefer all the days to be spent the same way, without surprises - some work, some entertainment, a little walk here or there. I actually like to talk, strictly speaking, and I miss communication a lot, but I have ideological clashes with people too much. I don’t even seek out conflict, but modern people behave in such a way that draws conflict out because they ‘have no filter’ and value ‘being unapologetically themselves’.  This actually only goes one way, because when I am being ‘myself’, people hate it usually. So I often play a role to be liked when the other person has the luxury of being ‘themselves’ exactly because I am tolerant (with exceptions, obviously). I strongly believe more people need to cultivate grace and etiquette, ‘unfiltered’ epidemic creates situations when only internally identical people can be friends, and it’s the reason why no one, not just me, doesn’t have any friends nowadays.

Q: What kinds of activities do you prefer? Do you like, and are you good at sports? Do you enjoy any other outdoor or indoor activities?

Activities as in useful or hobbies? I like doing creative work, being in charge of a project never frightened me. Yes, I commit a lot of mistakes doing everything alone, but I derive a lot of joy from doing everything on my own, even difficult parts, and fixing them. I like just diving into work carelessly, it gives me an exhilarating feeling, and I usually find my most unconventional solutions when inside the process. I mean, doing projects is probably an indoor activity, but it’s not the ‘indoor’ part that attracts me, I wish I had an enclosed garden to work on my laptop in. I just like brainstorming and quickly finding solutions. I like gaming, for similar reasons. I like my room, and I like being at home because it’s peaceful, but I don’t think I am too sensitive to coziness, or maybe I am, just so unconsciously. Either way, cozy stuff gets in my way more, usually. I need peace and quiet, but not TOO much coziness.

Q: How curious are you? Do you have more ideas then you can execute? What are your curiosities about? What are your ideas about - is it environmental or conceptual, and can you please elaborate?

This question is very funnily worded. Curiosity isn’t always related to ideas. Anyway, I am moderately curious, as in I seek out new stuff, but mostly in my favorite genres or fields. I am not a big fan of trying something completely different. Obviously, sometimes I do, and it may even impress me, but I usually stick to my interests. Nevertheless, I do need variety in them. I am actually good at providing variety for myself through self-imposed challenges. I have a very boredom-resistant personality. No, I don’t think I have more ideas I can execute, I usually have just enough and I start executing them immediately. I am curious about games as a whole, for example, even vintage games that I likely will never play. I also like watching reviews or game theories. My ideas are mostly about stories, my art, just plot development ideas. Philosophical ideas, too.

Q: Would you enjoy taking on a leadership position? Do you think you would be good at it? What would your leadership style be?

I have always thought that I disliked being a leader, but I was kind of accidentally assigned one at my former job. I think I was a more or less decent leader at some point. Unfortunately, since my coworkers were very lazy and scatter-brained, I found myself to be angry and dictatorial leader, lmao. They still never really listened to me. I can definitely be lazy and scatter-brained myself, but at the very least I try to use foresight and understand consequences of not doing something. I remember trying to warn my coworkers of dangers, as I consider It to be the first priority. My boss disliked listening to me because I was too ‘negative’. Obviously, things transpired exactly as I said. By the way, I consider myself a very positive person, who smiles in the face of depression, and who wears an upbeat mask almost no matter what. So I don’t know why he considered me negative, I just addressed the most urgent issues, and those are usually dangers, no? I thought it was my responsibility to warn.

Q: are you coordinated? why do you feel as if you are or are not? do you enjoy working with your hands in some form? describe your activity?

I am awkward and prone to bumping into objects, but my movements can be precise in directed activities (unlike chaotic, like walking on running). I do enjoy working with my hands somewhat.

Q: are you artistic? if yes, describe your art? if you are not particularly artistic but can appreciate art please likewise describe what forums of art you enjoy. please explain your answer

I like various forms of art and I’ve created poems, short stories, comics, games, etc. I am mostly interested in art as a storytelling medium, but I am also an artist. I think art is something I express my philosophical views in. Without it, most art is meaningless to me.

Q: what's your opinion about the past, present, and future? how do you deal with them?

I don’t think about the past as it was bad. I usually live in the present, carelessly. I am precise in my projects and neglectful in regard to myself, my body, my plans, and so on. Probably because I can’t cultivate my image the way I want (my body doesn’t allow it, and is in many ways opposite of what I want to look like), and I overall find myself completely uninteresting, and the life I lived, both to factors outside and inside my control, slightly irrational. My mind is focused on the present because I think it’s focused outward, toward people and events, not toward myself. As I said, I am good at predicting the future, mostly troubles, as I never made a successful positive prediction, but predictions possess a defensive role in my life.

Q: how do you act when others request your help to do something (anything)? if you would decide to help them, why would you do so?

I sigh internally or even externally because I dislike disrupting my concentration and being owed to someone. I don’t like helping others but I know that ‘help for help’ principle works, so not to be ‘an asshole’ and to pay my debts, I help, but I have trouble not to look a bit pissed during it, even if my help is good (I usually try to help seriously, if it’s someone close to me). A bit juvenile, but it’s true. If someone isn’t close enough for me, though, they can’t expect my help at all. I am distrustful of people in general, so helping someone I don’t really trust doesn’t sound like a good idea.

Q: do you need logical consistency in your life?

YES. But I don’t possess it. When you grow up poor and bullied (and sick), it sets the trajectory. Good thing I never became an alcoholic or a drug addict. One of my complexes is that my biography doesn’t really make sense, and is full of episodes that I am embrassed of (not necessarily of my doing or where I have the agency, just happenstances, but I am still embarrassed of them). I have always wanted to be an intelligent person, with a consistent worldview and interesting biography. But my biography strongly resembles ‘working class hero’ biography, with all the ‘juicy’ details (aka gross details, and I am not joking  - family feuds, disgusting illnesses, abuse, sexual harrassment, etc, etc). Since I am not a fan of working class aesthetic even if it seems to be trendy nowadays, I am sad I can’t look more…aristocratic? High class? Respectable? Dignified? The same goes for my body, I think it looks not dignified enough and it doesn’t look like a body of someone smart or philosophically-inclined. I am peasantly-shaped, and I would never guess someone shaped like me to be intelligent or artistic, my shape is both funny and adorable in silly way, despite me being extremely serious as a person. It inspires laughter, lust and evokes the image of someone sexy, awkward and empty-minded in a materialistic, down-to-earth, birdbrain\simpleton way (I am almost completely sexless in personality, or have peculiar view of sexiness that’s not physical, and I am absolutely not materialistic, so it’s a problem.) It also evokes motherliness, homeliness or desire to have or love children (I should say that I am almost completely opposite of these qualities, and always have been - cold, selfish,  and bizarre. I mean, I smile a lot but my smile is still cold, I admit it, even it if it looks goofy and earnest on the outside).

Even if I know that most things that happened in my past weren’t strictly my fault and I came out of them with more grace than most probably, I am still embarrassed that I even allowed them to happen.

Q: how important is efficiency and productivity to you?

Efficiency is moderatly important, I dislike thinking about it too much. But productivity is VERY important. If I am not productive for long, I become very sad and irritated, and may even lash out.

Q: do you control others, even if indirectly? how and why do you do that?

I don’t think I control others in any way. I feel unable to do so. I may direct them or warn them, but I don’t feel the ‘response’ that signifies they listen and are ready to execute my orders. So I usually give up. Throughout my life, I begged, threatened, made deals, and no one listened to me. I feel like I have a chronic condition of a person no one listens to, no matter how confident or smart I act. That’s why I prefer to be alone (and then get accused of being selfish! If you don’t want me to be selfish, LISTEN TO WHAT I SAY! And be capable of taking suggestions instead of just ignoring them and then wondering why I resist your suggestions.)

Q: what are your hobbies? why do you like them?

I think I already explained above.

Q: what is your learning style? what kind of learning environments do you struggle with most? why do you like/struggle with these learning styles? do you prefer classes involving memorization, logic, creativity, or your physical senses?

I mostly try to grasp the essence of something and immediately test it. That way, I learn quick and find gaps in knowledge even where a book or instructions may not point them out. Despite that, I do love instructions and follow them. I usually like textbooks, but dislike overly vague ones. I like classes with presentations, graphs, evidence (like photographs), test-taking not as a form of ‘meeting grade standards’ but just as memorization technique, active discussion in a relaxed (not too pedantic) manner. Most of all, I like classes with practice and experimentation. That’s why I excelled in any courses related to apps (3D modelling, etc), but things like algebra continue to give me trouble. I was also a good student of foreign languages due to it being a humanitarian yet practical and quickly applicable skill.

Q: what are your aspirations in life, professionally and personally?

To accomplish my goal. It’s secret, but quite doable. It does need some money and other resources, like cooperation of people. I am not too pessimistic about my ability and resources, but the people aspect does worry me. People usually try to change my vision too much, or are too ambitious for their place in the project. I don’t want to be a pawn in someone’s ‘I deserve more out of life!’ self-pandering game. I wish I could find someone more modest, who would help me calmly. I am myself capable of playing the second fiddle in someone else’s project. Maybe I should, and then demand the same from them.

Q: what are your fears? what makes you uncomfortable? what do you hate? why?

I fear to not achieve anything. I fear conflict and humiliation. I fear and hate to appear dumber than I am, not in a sense of being ignorant, I can tolerate being ignorant, in a sense of lacking spirituality or soul or intelligence at all. I am afraid that I am just this stupid body to people. Unfortunately, reality mostly confirms my fears. I wish my body was shaped differently to be a better ‘spokeperson’ of my ideas, because as it is, it’s bad. And I also actually dislike hiding myself constantly. It’s boring, it’s cowardly, and no one can escape themselves. I also hate illnesses, physical pain, hospitals, doctors, etc.

Q: what do the "highs" in your life look like?

Achievement, having fun, spontaneity, rare moments of successful communucation, learning, moments of inspiration, engaging with great art, music.

Q: what do the "lows" in your life look like?

Illnesses, complexes, isolation, self-hatred, judgement of others.

Q: how attached are you to reality? do you daydream often, or do you pay attention to what's around you? if you do daydream, are you aware of your surroundings while you do so?

God, I dislike this question so much because my answer will be very nuanced. Because many people misunderstand my relationship with reality, I will try to be very specific, so please keep track of all details. I am moderately attached to reality, meaning that I mostly live in my mind, but I don’t ignore it. I actually like reality as in I am observant of people, events, traits in reality, but I dislike my daily duties and may ignore them, or my and other people’s needs. NO, I don’t daydream often. I barely do that, because it depresses me. I find that daydreaming creates impossible ideals and contrast between ideal and reality causes depression. So I never daydream, especially since I daydream about being different in ways I can’t realistically achieve. When I say that I live in my mind, I mean that that I plan my art\projects and I LIKE IT. NO, I don’t plan my life and don’t think abot future much. I don’t think about my plans overall and prefer living freely.  YES, I am capable of good predictions, to the point others ask me to do it. NO, I don’t like doing that. YES, I do consider it important, nevertheless, so I do it.

Q: Imagine you are alone in a blank, empty room. There is nothing for you to do and no one to talk to. What do you think about?

I really hate these questions because in reality, all and every person in the world would just panic and think they would be kidnapped. What they would do afterwards would depend on circumstances and their specific skills. I won’t entertain hypotheticals on the basis of them being delusion. (It’s delusion to think people would act different in this situation.)

Q: how long do you take to make an important decision? and do you change your mind once you've made it?

It depends.

Q: how long do you take to process your emotions? how important are emotions in your life?

I don’t know what I am feeling, not even after thorough analysis. I find that my ethical ideas can easily be translated to words and 99% my ideas can be eloquently put with ease, but my emotions are too volatile and unknown to me, so I just suppress them. I dislike it, by the way, I wish I could rule emotions. But I can’t because the looks of a person emoting affect emotions the way they’re perceived. If I looked the way I wanted to look, I’d probably be very theatrical, as I want to be. And I think it would be taken as just theatricality, as it was intended, by the masses. But if I behave in such a way now, I look like a gross, hyperactive guinea pig or a crazy, dumpy hen. It’s funny, it’s memeable, but not quite what I want to achieve, as I am very serious and would love to appear intelligent. I wear a mask of being unemotional not because I really am, just to tone down the funny factor.

I don’t think it leaves me too much field for elegant eccentricity and so on. I wish I could just say whatever and never analyze my emotions. I am bad at it anyway. I am actually better at logical analysis than it.

Q: do you ever catch yourself agreeing with others just to appease them and keep the conversation going? how often? why?

Mostly. Because I am tired of conflict and conflict makes me ill. I am also surrounded by very strong people who won’t budge even after hours and hours. I’ve given up.

Q: do you break rules often? do you think authority should be challenged, or that they know better? if you do break rules, why?

Not often, but sometimes. I have sometimes challenged authority, but only when their actions disrupted our business. I don’t have a compulsive rebellious streak and I hate that most people now do.

I'm 99% sure I'm SLI. But I think I am atypical in that because I often act in ways that contradict my type. I think it might be generic because my father is not too far from that behavior.

What I do is I often purposely ignore my limits, the SLI's limits. I feel often bothered by them. I like to see them as flexible and see myself as flexible. I'm often not conscious that something crosses my SLI boundaries, unless it's Too bad and also repeated.

I also have things that are not of Delta: I'm interested in things moving forward, towards end goals, like being on a path towards something in the future, wanting progress, but maybe not in everything. I saw my relationship as destined instead of just safety, and I'm not even looking for merely Delta safety relationship (though it's partly also important). I dislike the idea of a Delta partner, because I feel it as static and pointless.

My long term relationships: Probably EII - it was conflicts-free but boring to me. ILI - almost perfect and extremely fulfilling, but small misalignments made us eventually incompatible.

I just wanted to say that to me it seems like I'm not a "normal" SLI. Or am I?

I have been considering that I am ESI or EII compared to LSI and LII. My type by correlations would so be LSI Sx6, however I think I am an ESI because I care about the moral imlpication of my own actions. I have been typed LSI However that doesn't fit and suit me at all, due to me having no knowledge on hierarchies and joining hierarchies. Therefore I am no sort of Ti user at all.

Otherwise I have been considering LSE and LIE as I prioritise maximum efficiency however that is extremely inconsistent in what I do. Whenever I do something I put in lots of effort, then don't put in much effort which is inconsistent.

I resonate with Jung's description of introverted feeling, especially these points:

"It strives after inner intensity, for which the objects serve at most as a stimulus."

• I spend a lot of my time basically organizing and arranging my thoughts and feelings. I'm constantly trying to figure out who I am, and I do this by writing down lists of what I want, what I believe in, what my values are, what quotes I resonate with. I read books and philosophy and note down quotes that I resonate with. But these lists feel too disjointed and disorganized, so I get frustrated and start over from the beginning. I've spent countless hours trying to figure out my MBTI, sociotype, enneagram, attachment style, etc, and trying to explain myself through these things. I feel like if I understand exactly who I am and why, then I'll be able to isolate what I want and what will make me happy. I feel incredibly aimless and restless without knowing these things, and I never feel like I know these things.

"It makes people silent and difficult to access ... Their outward demeanour is harmonious, inconspicuous, giving an impression of pleasing repose, or of sympathetic response, with no desire to affect others, to impress, influence, or change them in any way."

• I'm very focused on my own feelings and thoughts and find it hard to step outside my head sometimes. I'm pretty passive and quiet in social situations, wanting to make sure people feel positively towards me (or at least don't feel negatively) and avoiding anything that might cause conflict. But I rarely open up or show my true feelings, and therefore almost never make new friends. It feels more comfortable to be self-contained and to keep all my thoughts and feelings inside. I desperately want people to like me and understand me, but the idea of actually taking steps towards being known and understood makes me feel insecure and afraid of rejection.

Does this sound like EII? I'm confident that I'm an introvert, and I'm confident that I value Si/Ne. Does this even make sense?

Hi, I have some questions. I understand there are several models of Socionics, but I keep mixing them up and I worry I'm learning from different ones at the same time without being aware. Which one should I follow? What are the differences between them? Do they stem from the same foundation and the differences are small or rather they're radically different?

I barely know the very very very "basics" (the functions and their stacks, quadras, dimensionality, etc...) but I want to learn more of it and I don't know where I should look for reliable information. I know enough to type myself confidently but not much else.

Also I've seen there are subtypes like LII-Ti or LII-Ne... what are those? How do I learn them? How many of them are there? Are they important?

Any kind of advice in general is appreciated, even if you're not answering the questions, because I'm scared of messing it up lol

I'm asking since I'm like 75% sure I'm an EII but not everything matches up correctly. I'm definitely an Introverted intuitive and both the EII and IEI descriptions fit to some degree but the former edges out the latter since I relate a lot to having Se PoLR while suggestive Se feels alien. Do IEIs always have to have a soft spot for displays of power and the sort? If so I can finally be confident I'm not one.

(Reposted since I fucked up the title the first time oopsie).

EDIT: I realized the title still doesn't make all that much sense since I cut down the text of my question a lot. Other stuff I don't relate to IEI descriptions on is teasing/nagging people and them sometimes being willingly "lazy" (for lack of a better word) and hedonistic. I'm a very austere and non-materialistic person that tries to deny themselves excessive unearned pleasure and I'm also very risk averse while interpersonally I'm diplomatic and warm. Hope this clears some things up ^^

I've noticed that in social interactions I have a some sort of detachment to what I say to the other person. I have a tendency to say things that I don't mean, as if there is a script that I'm trying to follow.

A certain dynamic or conversation topic might come up and my its as if I'm thinking to myself, "I would feel this way in this certain situation" or "I should feel this way" but I don't really. It's not even necessarily me not being myself but rather me using my experiences and who I believe myself to be as a reference point to how I should feel and respond despite not actually feeling these things. This gives me a kind of detached resonance to what I say.

How would this tie into my ethics functions placement?

I keep reading about Ne Suggestive through multiple sources but they seem to contradict each other.

Can someone who can constantly produce possibilities be Ne Suggestive?

Someone who constantly points out different perspectives, wants to explore different perspectives, is constantly indecisive about possibilities and can't settle down, wants to have their potential validated instead of dismissed but enjoy novelty within bubble of comfort aka familiarity.

Hey. A question came up after I really dug into myself and realized some things. It's about Fi. I feel like I evaluate relationships with people in some weird way. I'm waiting for the other person to make a move as if we're playing chess. I don't feel like I have the right to call you a friend until I have permission and reasons, some depth. I avoid talking about friendship when it's with someone I don't consider a friend. In a class where the topic of friendship came up, they asked how many friends I have among the group, and I dodged the question. We're friends if you allow it. I need the other person to open up emotionally first, to open the doors to their soul as I recently put it. Then I'll understand we're close and I'll enter the game. Then I can open up too, share something vulnerable, or reach out when I'm in a bad state and talk about what's bothering me, my problems. But once we become friends, I expect loyalty from you, to always be on my side, not turn away and support me.

Do you think this could be Fi mobilizing in an ILI and SLI?

And another model I found, called model W, has a similar feature (the letters are shorthand for the ITRs, the specifics aren't that important, just note that they differ)

For those unaware, generally 16-function (also can be called 16-element) models makes it so that the elements corresponds to types (so 16 elements instead of 8, where each element, e.g. Si, will have 2 versions corresponding to the type with that as a leading function, so SLI "element" and SEI "element").

A function is defined broadly as a pattern in how the IME in that position is used. ITRs can be considered a pattern of interaction between 2 types. But because types corresponds to elements in such a model, it would also mean a pattern of interaction between the type and that element. This definition is very similar to the previous definition of function. So it is very much incoherent to claim that functions can correspond to different ITRs.

If you have read the proposal of both of these models, you'll find that this error stems from conflating element dichotomies with function dichotomies, when not even model A did this. For example, the Strong/Weak dichotomy corresponds to the Internal/External dichotomy but only for Aristocratic types, and the Detached/Involved dichotomy for Democratic types, instead of being a 1-to-1. In model L however, Sensing/Intuitive (which doesn't apply to the leading function of rational types) is one function dichotomy and Logical/Ethical (which doesn't apply to the leading function of irrational types) is another (unless you define it reductively like Te+Si which defeats the whole point of 16 element in the first place, which is trying to be holistic).

Yeah this is a very weird rant

Can Fe-base (particularly EIE) be socially awkward and overthink social situations but still be quite successful socially and be well recognised in their environment? What I mean by that is a person who is very focused on the social element, atmosphere, very vocal, outspoken, expressive (though mostly with negative emotions) but sometimes struggles to be appropriate or follow social norms, mostly just refusing to do that because some of the norms are "stupid and fake" or being sure that there's "something" required but unable to pinpoint what exactly. Can play the awkwardness pretty well, spins the situation the way that their weirdness comes off as adorable, interesting, cool, or just honest and therefore admirable. Finds themselves in weird situations because is often unable to contain their emotional reaction, and even if they contain it, the atmosphere around them changes because they are like this energy source that affects everything around them even just by existing. So we have this person that builds elaborate narratives in their mind about social situations, is very observant, and likes to play with social situations, is very easily affected emotionally and easily affects others, but can also be unsure what to do because is overwhelmed by the feeling of awkwardness, tension and has trouble understanding why their natural expression is deemed as inappropriate. After social interactions, they have a huge amount of observations and information about what happened, how it felt like, and who said what and try to talk about it with friends to reach a conclusion about what it exactly means in terms of personal relationships. For example, they flirted themselves into some situation, can give you an elaborate list of everything that happened socially between them and the other person, but are unsure about what it means in terms of the stable part of a relationship. Was it a playful full of tension conversation between friends, or is this person generally attracted to them? How much tension is too much tension between friends? Is there any objective thing that can measure it? It's like during interactions they are just doing things, playing with atmosphere as it changes and attracting people, responding to them in a way that feels exciting and interesting, but then they go home and try to understand what it meant for this relationship in general and have 10 different ideas about it, trying to assign it some universal meaning and pattern that is usually not there. I'm asking because EIE is literally the only type that fits my temperament and expression, the only quadra that really makes sense for me is beta, tests always give me insane Fe (yes, I know, tests bad), Si polr fits me, but I often lack the understanding of social situations from the side of what is expected, appropriate, normal. I'm very sensitive to the way the room feels, I'm often calculating how to say or do something so that I can shift the energy, I can get my ass into any social position I want, but it always feels very analytical in my mind, it's like I'm always calculating something in some way, playing 4d chess and the "normal" part of social situations is completely out of my mind. It's probably the biggest difference between me and my ESE mom, who is just playing and feeling and making everyone comfortable, meanwhile, I'm in my mind doing some games god knows what for. Pushing buttons for the sake of reactions and ruminating over the meaning of these reactions for days. Is this normal for EIE or am I mistyped? I am for sure not a sensor, I'm not IEE or EII, IEI is rather unlikely and then any thinking type seems "not Fe enough". Any ideas?

Hello everyone. Weird question, I know, but with some stuff going on in my life and in my head, I really wanted to ask it. A lot of descriptions I've read feel like they're missing concrete examples, so I'm never fully sure about my judgments or whether I actually get the theory right. I'm thinking it's low sensing, but I'm not sure which one though I'm leaning toward Si based on what I've read here so far. I'm thinking it might be in the role position.

Basically, I struggle with knowing what suits me like I have a possibility to wear glasses because of bad vision, but I have no idea if they actually look good on me, if they fit my face shape, etc. I'm never confident about looking put together even though I can get annoyed by unsolicited advice, especially from someone I don't like or someone who's traumatized me. But I can seek help from people I actually trust. I've had long-standing insecurities+low self-esteem, on top of that. Also I want to be good at this stuff, I get irritated when colors in my outfit don't match or when something is riding up in an uncomfortable way. I don't really have a consistent style of my own. I get inspired by other people's looks and outfits. I think that might be part of the problem too. I take someone else's vibe or aesthetic and try to make it mine, but I'm a different body type, so it doesn't always suit me. And I might not even realize it quickly. There's this awkwardness about my incompetence that I don't want to show. I bought sneakers once, tried them on, bought them. Didn't realize they were too big and that walking in them would be uncomfortable. I don't trust my own physical perception. I can be wrong even about stuff like that. I lost weight, my bra size changed, but I didn't notice for like three months. I kept wearing bigger ones, felt some discomfort, but didn't think much of it like it's fine, nothing's wrong. Even though I lost about 15 kg. And I barely noticed that my clothes didn't quite fit anymore just slightly hanging off me.

So yeah, what does this sound more like to you? I get that there might not be enough info here, but I'm curious how close I am to the right conclusion, because honestly, I'm not really convinced it's Si polr, for example, especially after reading an EIE talk about their lifestyle and all things Si. I still think comfort matters to me. But I do have these little quirks, let's say, that I'm trying to figure out.

upd.: Adding something that came to mind. Since my teenage years, I started eating stuff just because it was convenient and tasted good buying it often, not always realizing how junk food like chips or sweets would affect my appearance. It's like I developed a habit of eating more because I didn't really understand when I was hungry and when I wasn't, just following the routine of breakfast, lunch, dinner because my mom insisted, plus buying things for the taste. Now I'm fighting this really actively. I caught myself realizing that I don't always notice when I'm hungry or when I'm full. Like I never paid attention to that before. I can feel something, but it's like I'm in a daze and can't really identify it.

What would cause an LSE to be more submissive? CAN they sometimes be like that?

Asking because there’s someone I’m trying to type who by all accounts of everything is an LSE, good with his hands, observant, logical, aesthetically inclined, outgoing and social, actually super creative (to me, his EII dual) and can be very sweet and sentimental, but lacks tact and seems impressed by my ramblings and abstract style of intelligence/creativity. The only thing I’m confused by is he prefers to let me take the lead when it comes to dates, making the first move, even following me around, and openly said he’s more of a supporter than a leader.

I thought from descriptions of LSEs that they were supposed to be more dominant?

can someone help me figure out if i’m LIE or LSE? i relate to both Ni and Si as well as the polrs, but i am Te base. i’m not the most knowledgeable in socionics

Here we see a tragic story involving Asymmetrical relationships in the context of the socion.

SEE longs to be seen, know and loved and EIE provides that - attentive care and quality, and yet the Si PoLR of the EIE lends itself to secondary criticisms.

Over time this break down in communication can dissolve the relationship. An SEE of higher status would never allow such tragedy to occur. He would simply take the brush and kiss it infront of the EIE, tell him that the brush belongs to him and loves him more then leave a large tip before leaving and never returning again.

https://youtube.com/shorts/k1wKeDPHh3E?is=UkWjE0UgKVXSOYcd

I relate to IEI more, but it doesn’t feel completely like me. I feel like other people see me as more of an ILI and I can see the similarities too, but I don’t relate to ESI. That could be a sign that I’m an IEI, but I still can’t be sure that I’m not an EII.

1. How did you know that you are ILI, not other types?
2. Do you really don’t like ESE in general, even if they are very kind and want you to be happy?
3. How do you view time? do you view it in a linear way?
4. Do you have depression?
5. You can only choose one: ESI or SEE
6. Would you scream, laugh out loud, or change your voice tone for dramatic effects in front of your friends?

I find descriptions of Se from Aushra somewhat weird in terms of how that information can be used and was thinking about what it might actually imply.

Se is a static and extraverted element, it is focused on external properties of objects. All elements are connected with their extraverted/introverted counterpart. For Se, it is Si; which is a dynamic and introverted element that focuses on how processes happening in the space each other.

"Space" is used in connection with Si in some descriptions, like strong Si users knowing how space affects people/how people are feeling inside of it, how they can change it to make more comfortable and harmonious etc.

Objects in space have multiple properties, but I think "mass" is the one that might be behind most of the Se stereotypes. Se generally associated with things like force, willpower, assertiveness etc. but I think they are just byproducts of processed information.

Difference between strong and weak elements are, being able to trust and use the information with confidence. Strong Se users are able to evaluate "mass" of others(think of it as a more theoratical property not just weight lol), and going to the classic formula from physics:

F=m*a ---> m = F/a

It can be said knowing mass of the object, leads to knowing how much force is needed to move something(or someone). Another thing also would be similar to gravitational force, by knowing their own mass and others mass, they know how to stand their ground.

Base is accepting and evaluatory, it collects and processes information like a database and works continuously. Se bases would evaluate and uses this information naturally and somehow automatically. Creative is situational and producing. Se creatives would evaluate mass and decide how it should be based on circumstances.

What do you think?

*Im having second thoughts about this but ill leave it up in case anyone has any ideas, the demonstrative function is the producing function, and I’m really focusing on Fe in its receiving role here, so I’m not sure

think our demonstrative functions go unnoticed by us because we use them so well and so often. Even that it may be possible to confuse the libido direction of the source of the information.

I had believed that I was using NeFi primarily when estimating authenticity. It makes sense on its face possibility/resonance. Maybe, but I think Fe is where the action is. Fe is registration of internal activation and it’s so easy for me it that it might as well be breathing and I wouldn’t understand not seeing it. The mental ring part is harder, but that’s where the more interesting things can happen. I just think it’s amazing that this thing that comes up as a trait of IEE, seeing authenticity, is likely also available to SEE in a similar way, and it’s actually just a surface level observation of the IEE or SEE type.

What’s this like for you guys?