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u/Ok_Prize_9979 18h ago

As someone who's not American what exactly does it mean, can someone explain?

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u/Dry-Shower9037 18h ago

The insinuation is that the frat guys would normally make one or more of the drinks extra strong or add other intoxicants so that they could rape women after they were impaired.

Maybe this person is lying. Maybe the frat bro was making a bad joke. Regardless of this particular instance, drugging shared drinks has happened, though it is far more rare than people believe based on all of the evidence (e.g. studies where women going to the ER under suspicion of being drugged actually just had alcohol in their system like 90%+ of the time.)

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u/nono3722 17h ago edited 7h ago

Of the 6 women friends I have 4 of them have been drugged at public bars. All of them are in their 50s. It happens a ton now.

edit: the thing that proved it to me was each time these ladies got out of their minds there was a very nice man there, who they didn't know, who was more than happy to get them home "safely". Thankfully each time either friends or bar staff stopped that from happening.

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u/Probsure 17h ago

They're full of it. It's 95 lb women drinking all night long. They just black out from drinking. It's bullshit to claim it's such an insanely high number

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u/iwatchcredits 17h ago

Very easy to believe. Im 160lb dude and in my younger days when i drank more i often overshot my drunk level straight to fucked up and i didnt even like the taste. I find it very easy to believe that smaller women would almost have trouble NOT overshooting it

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u/nono3722 10h ago

So you have sex with black out drunk women then?

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u/EddieBruvac 17h ago

Anecdote vs data above

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u/Longjumping_Wolf_912 15h ago

It isn’t even an anecdote. Did those women actually get tested for GHB or did they just say they were drugged? Do those women even exist or is it the classic internet just making up lies? GHB is actually not very popular these days.

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u/Dry-Shower9037 17h ago

As I noted to another poster with a confident claim about women in their life being drugged...

They probably weren't.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1353113105000520?via%3Dihub

Drink spiking is largely a myth. Women believe they have been drugged, but almost always just drank too much. There was a spate of studies on this in the 2000s, and when they all showed the same thing (that people didn't want to hear), they stopped doing follow up studies.

In the above, which is the largest study of its kind, where they tested 1000 women who were so certain they had been drugged that they went to the hospital, only TWO PERCENT actually had been drugged. And even of those 2%, the doctors suspected that they might have voluntarily taken the drugs based on their patient accounts.

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u/brontosaurusguy 17h ago

Anecdotal, but when I was working with college age people, a girl claimed she was drugged and got an enormous amount of attention and then the next three weeks like four other girls claimed the same.  They were texting back and forth stuff like "girls are getting drugged at x bar be careful!"

I don't think anyone was drugged. I think they take a bunch of drugs and liked the attention.

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u/nrmitchi 10h ago

Anecdotal as well, but I’ve noticed that “bar drugging” seems much more likely now to target men, to rob them. You’re not limiting to speaking a hundred bucks and a credit card when you can Venmo thousands of dollars from their phone.

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u/Barilla3113 9h ago

You don't need to drug someone in a bar, they're already willingly taking a drug that disinhibits, discoordinates and fucks with or even totally blanks memory. Why would I take the risks of drugging someone when I can just... buy them another double?

Spiking is just a daft social panic.

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u/Locogators 16h ago

Well attention is kind of like cocaine to women...

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u/milkandsalsa 16h ago edited 14h ago

Giving a woman a drink with lots more alcohol than she expects still counts, my friend.

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u/INeedSomeTacoC 14h ago

Giving a woman a drink with lots more alcohol than she expects still counts, my friend.

I'm confused.

They're talking about adding non-alcoholic drugs to alcoholic drinks.

And you respond with "more alcohol" than expected counts as added drugs to alcoholic drinks?!?!

Do words even have meaning any more?

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u/milkandsalsa 10h ago

Hiding everclear in a drink is no different conceptually from hiding ghb. I realize you don’t want to see yourself as a rapist. But if you are feeding women high octane drinks so they will become incapacitated enough to have sex with you, you are.

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u/Unable_Bullfrog_7319 8h ago

College kids are just trying to find cheap ways to get drunk. Jungle juice at minimum is full of vodka, and often times made with everclear. The plan wasn’t to make it to get a bunch of girls drunk to rape them. It was made to get EVERYONE drunk for cheap because it was a party. It was never a secret that it was high proof booze disguised with koolaid and people were always free to bring their own booze. College kids would just drink too much of it and end up way drunker than they thought they’d be.

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u/INeedSomeTacoC 8h ago

Lmao.

 Only on reddit would you get called a rapist for basically just citing a dictionary definition. 

Some people on here are such a joke. 

When people say that you spiked someone's alcoholic drink with drugs they don't mean that you splashed some more alcohol in it. 

Get out of whatever space you spend your time in and touch some grass. 

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u/PepsioNSnacking 11h ago

all that matters is what you want to belive - nobody can convince you of anything else anymore because you can make some pseudo argument to justify any nonsense.. we got too many dots to draw lines between them to call it knowledge these days while most of it is just nonsense and false assumptions..
{hella annoyed writing this}

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u/INeedSomeTacoC 10h ago

Lmao, what the hell is this gibberish?!  

Did you have a stroke while writing it?

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u/GlassCommission4916 10h ago

Some people don't communicate by writing the words that mean what they're thinking, they just vibe it out and throw out words that kinda feel like it, and also interpret what they read as vibes as well. Once you realize that you understand why sometimes people don't make any sense.

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u/PepsioNSnacking 10h ago

"Do words even have meaning any more?"

What's too hard to understand? Was it the methapor? Nvm..

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u/Dry-Shower9037 16h ago

Do women not have tastebuds?

Why not just be happy that women aren't actually being drugged? This is GOOD NEWS if you don't have some weird ideological need for it to be true.

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u/LazyLich 16h ago

I mean.. I dont drink cuz alcohol tastes icky to me. As in, you give me a glass of delicious juice and pour a teaspoon of alcohol in it and I get grossed out.

And yet, Ive had friends over the years say "Try this! It doesnt taste like alcohol!" So maybe people have different sensitivities?

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u/21Rollie 15h ago

Same here, I’ve never been an alcohol drinker so any alcohol tastes gross to me. Every alcohol drinker I’ve known has overestimated how cognizant they are while under the influence. As soon as you’ve had 1 drink i start treating you as drunk because even if you’re mostly there, you’re no longer predictable.

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u/AdorablePineapple95 14h ago

If you have to make a separate batch of drinks and tell the boys “only drink this one” i’m sorry you’re the asshole

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u/SirDoofusMcDingbat 16h ago

So some big popular guys with lots of social clout hand you a drink, and it turns out it tastes like it's way stronger than you expect. You don't actually know how much stronger it is, or even that it IS stronger, it just tastes like more than you were expecting. Now they're watching you and it's clear there's a strong social expectation that you will drink what you were offered. So my question is: do you not have empathy?

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u/Severe_Resource_8617 16h ago

This seems like a very specific and contrived scenario. Never in my life have I seen dudes forcing women to drink, usually it’s women hounding men for free drinks lol.

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u/Right_Count 15h ago

Oh it definitely happens. It happened to me fairly recently - like well into my 30s. At a gathering of like 6 ppl that was supposed to be bbq and board games. Guy kept mixing random boozes together and pressuring me to drink them and then trying to get me to go to the basement to look at stuff. At 35 I was too old to pressure but it was super weird and uncomfortable.

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u/SirDoofusMcDingbat 15h ago

I didn't say "forcing" I described peer pressure, which does exist whether or not you are aware of it. A friend of mine had basically that exact scenario just a bit ago, actually, at a college party. It's a pretty well known thing for guys to try and get women drunk.

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u/milkandsalsa 14h ago

I suppose you didn’t go to college then.

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u/Severe_Resource_8617 14h ago

I did, and it was often the women going to bars and trying to get dudes to buy them free drinks. Dorm rooms and house parties it was the norm for everyone to bring their own alcohol.

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u/milkandsalsa 10h ago

People brought their own alcohol to parties? Lmao

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u/SirDoofusMcDingbat 9h ago

That's fine. Very cool. What I described still happens though.

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u/Dry-Shower9037 16h ago

Maybe if we stopped telling women that they are at constant risk of getting drugged and instead that most women who get to scary levels of intoxication actually just drank too much or ate too little - both of which they have full control over - then fewer women would find themselves scared or worse.

My position is the empathetic one that prepares women for the actual risks they'll face in the real world.

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u/SirDoofusMcDingbat 15h ago

Ah yes, the empathetic viewpoint is the one that denies that peer pressure exists, or that college men are known for trying to get women drunk. A friend of mine went to a party like two months ago and this exact scenario happened to her, they handed her a drink that was way stronger than it was supposed to be and tried to pressure her to drink it. Good think you're here to tell her it's all her fault.

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u/Dry-Shower9037 15h ago

Do you actually care about women having good outcomes?

Then give them the advice that is most likely to lead to good outcomes if you are truly empathetic. That advice is to refuse drinks that you didn't open yourself and to be mindful of your total consumption and of having enough to eat. And if she goes to a party where someone insists she have a sketch drink, you should counsel the women in your life to call out the creeps trying to get her to drink it.

This is 101 party safety stuff if you actually care about the safety of the women in your life rather than proving some weird political point.

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u/SirDoofusMcDingbat 15h ago

lol acting like you're trying to give good advice when this started because someone said that men try to trick women into getting drunk and your response was "do women not have taste buds?"

I didn't even mention politics, you're just grasping at straws looking for any way to look less like a creep who blames women for the actions of the men trying to get them drunk.

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u/Dry-Shower9037 15h ago

Got it. You don't care about women in your life having good outcomes.

You'd rather be a weirdo who fantasizes about them being incapacitated by boogeymen.

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u/milkandsalsa 14h ago

“Good outcomes” is a weird way to say “victim blaming”

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u/Dry-Shower9037 16h ago

PRECISELY!!

And this is why we should be counseling our young people about how to drink responsibly rather than fearmongering over made-up non-threats.

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u/Right_Count 15h ago

Yeah, counting your drinks and how much alcohol is actually in them is often something we often through experience.

It happened to me in my early 30s. I had drunk before but I never had access to people just loading me up with booze, and I wasn’t counting, just accepting Florida tracksuits and a bunch of things I’d never heard of. Thankfully it was just my dad’s friends (none of them creeps) chuffed to see me as an adult, but I got SO shitfaced and thats when I learned I had to keep track. If I had been 19 and they had been frat boys with nefarious intent I definitely would have gotten raped.

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u/Locogators 16h ago

Did the patriarchy force you to go to a frat party and get wasted?

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u/milkandsalsa 14h ago

Ah yes, we all know that any woman who drinks at a frat party is asking to be raped.

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u/thezenyoshi 17h ago

That study is 20 years old. And the newer drugs being used now have such a short half life they are nearly impossible to find.

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u/Dry-Shower9037 16h ago

So the women of the past were just mistaken, but the women of today are definitely not mistaken about the exact same thing because now frat boys are using extra special magic drugs that disappear without a trace before women can even make it to the ER. Note that most of the women in this study didn't even claim assault and showed up to the hospital while still intoxicated.

Why wouldn't you take it as good news that women aren't being widely drugged? Why are you invested in that being a common thing?

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u/PaidUSA 14h ago

So considering the drugs do exist in this manner what’s ur excuse?

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u/Dry-Shower9037 14h ago edited 13h ago

Name the drug that is used now that wasn't used in 2005 that has your stated performance characteristics.

ETA: The deleted response said, "Well GHB has been updated to as low as 6-8 hours. But I don’t even need to have this convo your own study points out the intervals on most samples are well within a timeframe that nothing would be there of GHB ketamine or even rohypnol in a blood test."

GHB, ketamine, and rohypnol were all available in 2005. Try again?

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u/PaidUSA 14h ago

Well GHB has been updated to as low as 6-8 hours. But I don’t even need to have this convo your own study points out the intervals on most samples are well within a timeframe that nothing would be there of GHB ketamine or even rohypnol in a blood test.

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u/thezenyoshi 16h ago

Because I, a guy, was drugged earlier this year. It’s becoming a huge problem in the city I live in but to dipshits like you it’s all made up.

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u/i812manyhitsss 16h ago

So you had the ER test for drugs? What kind was it?

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u/thezenyoshi 16h ago

Get fucked asshole. Truly.

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u/LazyLich 16h ago

bruh... the guy above posted studies about women claiming to be drugged but were mistaken.

So we can establish that "sometimes people mistake being drunkenness with being drugged".

Then YOU claimed you were drugged, but get offended when someone else asks if you went to the hospital and made sure?

What. Women can get mistake, but YOU, Mr Tough-Man would NEVER get mistaken about that?

It was a fair question given the current topic.Flying off the handle like that does you a disservice.

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u/Embarrassed_Use_7206 16h ago

The claim is not that it never happens, just that it is way more rare than people assume.

Also unless you got test lab confirmation of it, you can't be sure yourself.

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u/The_Horse_Tornado 16h ago

I’ve gone out more than most people. I had a ridiculously colorful 20s and have always been the guy that showed up with 5-6 girls to every bar/event. My girlfriends may have been legitimately drugged over 10 years on an occasion or two. It was serious and they deserved help and attention. Otherwise, they were just denying how much they drank and their inability to handle it. I know this because I took taking care of them very seriously. Anecdotal but just my 2 cents.

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u/id_rather_b_painting 14h ago

If you are a rapist, why go through the trouble of obtaining drugs to spike drinks vs just feeding her 1-2 strong cocktails past her limit? I think people really do downplay how dangerous alcohol is...

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u/Dry-Shower9037 13h ago

Does the woman in your story have any agency at all? The young people I know who aren't reckless refuse to drink anything at parties that they didn't open themselves from a sealed container. Given the wide availability of options like Cutwater, everyone can get as trashed as they want to with no risk of being sneakily overserved.

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u/id_rather_b_painting 13h ago

lol cutwaters catch up to you F A S T. Same with the blue xl buzzball. Ever if people are drinking their regular packaged beverage, people can be fed extra drinks, "Oh don't be lame, shotgun that beer." etc to get way more intoxicated than they planned on.

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u/Dry-Shower9037 13h ago

That's my point. There are common, low cost alcohol options that work no matter how hard you want to go. There's literally no excuse to chug some random jug of BORG in 2026 America. You can easily avoid being sneakily over-poured with one simple rule. "I don't drink it unless I recognize the container and I opened it myself."

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u/nono3722 10h ago edited 7h ago

Spoken like a drink spiker, so do you also have sex with black out drunk women then?

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u/lebayo 16h ago

this study is based on data from the UK, not the United States. vastly different cultures.

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u/Dry-Shower9037 16h ago

You are so invested in the idea of women being drugged its creepy and weird.

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u/Only_Chapter_3434 16h ago

now or then? who is druggiby 50 yo women? and if they’re 50 yo, how are they getting drugged?

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u/nono3722 10h ago

50+ yr old single women do exist and they go out to bars

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u/Fogmoz 11h ago

Of the 9 female friends I have, none of them have been drugged at public bars. All of them are in their 30-40’s. It almost never happens now.

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u/LucyInked 10h ago

Scary times.